Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:04:15 +0100 From: Angelika Rosenquist Reply-To: arosenquist@milchstrasse.de Organization: net-business X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Foto Hans Bernhard Guten Tag Herr Bernhrad, das Internet-Wirtschaftheft NET-BUSINESS plant eine Geschichte über UBERMORGEN.com Hierfür benötigen wir ein Foto von Ihnen, Herr Bernhard. Es wäre sehr freundlich, wenn Sie uns noch heute ein Foto mailen könnten in einer Auflöung von 200 dpi bei einer Größe von 10x15cm. Herzlichen Dank Angelika Rosenquist Bildredaktion Net-Business, Hamburg fon 49.40. 4131 3809 arosenquist@net-business.de Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:49:30 -0400 From: Hans Sandberg Organization: Sandberg Features X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Voteauction.com Hi Hans, Thanks for the letter. What is your direct comment to it? Do you have a digital portrait of yourself I could use? Regards, Hans -- ========================================================= ********** Sandberg Features ********** ********** Hans and Lisa Sandberg ********** ********** Princeton Junction, NJ, USA ************* ******** Phone:(609)936-1626 * Fax: (801)991-4609 ******* ********** E-mail: nordic-link@home.com ************* =========================================================Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: phone meeting. Hans, I was at a performance space in Albany all day today and unfortunately it is practically a concrete bunker so my cell phone wasn't working in there. I think it would be good for us to have a phone meeting sometime thursday to discuss future strategy. How about early evening, somewhere between 6 and 8PM Vienna time? JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:22:42 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: voteauction Subject: Fwd: urgent question Delivered-To: voteauction@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: pr@voteauction.com From: "reischl-privat" To: Subject: urgent question Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:02:32 +0200 X-Priority: 3 Hi! my name ist gerald reischl, reporter from the austrian daily KURIER and I am interested in your business and would like to talk to mr. hans bernhard, who has bought this web-site. he is an austrian i have heard. my email-adress is <>mailto:g.reischl@kurier.at  my telefonnumber +43-1-52100-2612 and my mobile-number +43+664+2000467 thanks in advance gerald reischl Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:23:16 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: voteauction Subject: Fwd: Contact information Cc: liz@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: voteauction@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: pr@voteauction.com From: "Cara Feinberg" To: pr@voteauction.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:09:51 -0400 Subject: Contact information X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Cara Feinberg" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal I work for The American Prospect Magazine in Boston, and I'd like to speak with someone at VoteAuction.Com about your website. I am doing research for a possible upcoming article, and I have no telephone number for you -- would you direct me to the appropriate contact person? Thanks very much, Cara Feinberg Cara Feinberg Editorial Assistant The American Prospect 5 Broad Street Boston, MA 02109 Phone: (617)570-8030 Ext. 117 Fax: (617) 570-8028 Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: Fwd: voteauction.com, Hans, I'm not sure who this guy is. I couldn't find any emails from him. It's tough to keep track of everyone though. I am doing some research for California now - trying to find good specific examples of influence purchasing, soft money, et cetera. I'm think this might be helpful in giving a reply to the California Secretary of State. I've tried calling a few times today, but I keep getting "all circuits are busy" I'll keep trying. James On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >james, > >had interviews with hans sandberg, mark andersen tries to contact me regarding chicago, net-bc.de is on another story, telepolis is working on an exclusive about the secretary of state calif, and some other interviews are rolling.. this just as quick brief for you.. > >greetZ >hans > >---> >do you know this guy? > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>X-Sender: ubermorgen@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:27:03 +0200 >>To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>From: ubermorgen Subject: Fwd: voteauction.com, part 2 >> >>>Delivered-To: ubermorgen@ubermorgen.com From: "Chris Holmes" >>>To: >>>Subject: voteauction.com, part 2 >>>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:21:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 >>> >>>One other thought - >>> >>>If Mr. Bernhard might be available for a phone interview, I am available at the following telephone numbers in the U.S.: >>> >>>(334) 284-5276 (WSFA Assignment Desk) (334) 613-8219 (direct to my desk) >>> >>>Thank you again for your help. >>> >>>Christopher Holmes, >>>Reporter, WSFA-TV >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.net Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:42:35 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: James M Baumgartner , hans@ubermorgen.net Subject: Re: James M. Baumgartner, lawyer this is totally awesome... maybe every city and state can be induced to do a similar thing... and deborah philips' suggestion for the president to get involved will be taken... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >wow, this is really interesting. the Baumgartner you found is totally scary. If nothing else, i think you should send him a corrospondence- like a "will you be my lawyer" letter, and then just start referring the press to him when appropriate- tell them you are in the process of retaining his services becasue he has been so successful with morally repugnant atrocities like mass layoff strategies for employers and drug testing. so he will have to do well for voteauction.com. And plus, voteauction.com should succeed, because if it goes forward, then it really secures the legal position of corporate campaign monies. > >i dunno, its just an amazing - totally amazing resume > >great work- > > >At 12:43 PM -0400 10/12/00, James M Baumgartner wrote: >>Here's the latest USA Today story. I didn't get to talk to the reporter for this one, but suddenly I'm a law student! Maybe I should look into retaining myself for legal council. >> >>http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk101100.htm >> >>In one of my searches for stories about voteauction, I came across a bio for a lawyer named James M Baumgartner. >> >>http://www.bhlaw.com/members/jmb.htm >> >>Perhaps I should try to hire him, although looking at his record, I don't think he would go for it. >> >>James M. Baumgartner Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:35:26 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: "Wagner, Keith" Subject: Re: Scheduling an interview Keith Wagner, You may contact Mr. Bernhard directly at hans@ubermorgen.com (tel: +43-676-930-00-61) Or you may contact the site's founder, Mr. Baumgartner at baumgj@rpi.edu (tel: +1-518-506-7725) Public Relations "Wagner, Keith" wrote: > > >Hello! I'm an editor at Accessmagazine.com, the daily Web companion to a weekly U.S. newspaper supplement. We report news about the Web and explain what that news means to our readers, and we also provide reviews of interesting and useful sites that we think our readers should visit. > >I'm writing a story due to be published on Tuesday, Nov. 7, election day here in the U.S., about the Voteauction site and the ideas behind it. Would it be possible to schedule an interview with site owner Hans Bernhard? I'd like to speak with him about his reasons for purchasing the site, what he thinks it will accomplish and what he intends to do with it beyond the election. > >Please get back to me at your earliest convenience. I will be out of the office from Friday, Oct. 13 to Tuesday, Oct. 17. > >Regards, >Keith Wagner > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Keith Wagner >Assistant Editor >www.Accessmagazine.com >35 Highland Circle >Needham, MA 02494-3032 >tel: 781-453-3990 x157 >fax: 781-453-3988Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:50:40 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Cara Feinberg Subject: Re: Contact information Cara Feinberg, There are two persons to contact for voteauction.com. The current owner is Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, tel: +43-676-930-00-61) Voteauction.com was founded by James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, tel: +1-676-930-00-61) Feel free to contact either person, you email has been forwarded to both of them. Public Relations Cara Feinberg wrote: >I work for The American Prospect Magazine in Boston, and I'd like to speak with someone at VoteAuction.Com about your website. I am doing research for a possible upcoming article, and I have no telephone number for you -- would you direct me to the appropriate contact person? > >Thanks very much, > >Cara Feinberg >Cara Feinberg Editorial Assistant The American Prospect 5 Broad Street Boston, MA 02109 Phone: (617)570-8030 Ext. 117 Fax: (617) 570-8028Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:19:32 -0400 From: Hans Sandberg Organization: Sandberg Features X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Voteauction.com Hi Hans: Thanks for your pictures. I have written a story based on the interview, but I would like to refer to your full name, which is Luzius A. Bernhard according to the DNS-information. The fact that nobody dug this up is a surprising and a bit scary thing about journalism in the cyberage. How do you know that the person you are talking to is that person, and not an imposter or a prankster? I thought of that when I got your pictures. I am not suggesting that you did, but the sheer possibility is a bit enerving. It is so easy to just go ahead and take things for granted. I wonder if they teach this in the journalism schools? The fact that your pseudonym is so close to your real name, and is available for anyone who looks, suggests to me that you don't consider your anonymity all that crucial. Is that correct? Regards, Hans -- ========================================================= ********** Sandberg Features ********** ********** Hans and Lisa Sandberg ********** ********** Princeton Junction, NJ, USA ************* ******** Phone:(609)936-1626 * Fax: (801)991-4609 ******* ********** E-mail: nordic-link@home.com ************* =========================================================Delivered-To: ubermorgen@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: office@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: rabramson@mail.thestandard.com Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:29:54 -0700 To: ubermorgen From: Ronna Abramson Subject: Re: Fwd: New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features Hans: I'm doing a story this morning about Chicago filing a lawsuit against voteauction and wanted to be sure to get a comment from you asap. If you are checking you email will you send me a note back or call me. Also, do you have Sandra's phone number? Thanks. Ronna Abramson Hi Hans: I am a reporter with The Industry Standard and I wrote a story about voteauction when James first launched the site. I got your press release below but when I looked at the site didn't see any of the changes it mentions. I'm just wondering if and when you are putting them up and if you are still planning to hold the auction. If you could send me an email I'd really appreciate it. Since the time difference is a bit tricky, I'm also wondering if we could arrange in advance to talk more, perhaps tomorrow morning my time, early evening your time? Please let me know. dear ronna sorry my delay, the message has been hiding in my inbox for too long;.. the mentioned changes are up and running, for further information about the new specs, please contact pr@voteauction.com; sandra bairl, our us-pr-rep. will be glad to answer all your Qs. for phone-interview, you can contact/call me direct under +43 676 930 00 61 ; any time between 9am - 12pm MET; greets hans bernhard Thanks. Ronna Abramson X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:25:02 +0200 To: pr@voteauction.com From: voteauction pr Subject: New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 16, 2000 New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re- launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public. The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan to allow voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner, shut down the site and began looking for a way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the Internet (see partial press list below.) News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard, an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs, offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch. * Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. The voters can then market their votes directly to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. * Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product. * Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. As owner Hans Bernhard says, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." Selected Press Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subto pi cintid=101&contentintid=7408 Selected Quotes "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process." Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) Ronna Abramson The Industry Standard 315 Pacific Avenue San Francisco, CA 94111 (415) 591-6987 Ronna Abramson The Industry Standard 315 Pacific Avenue San Francisco, CA 94111 (415) 591-6987 Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Cara Feinberg" To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:24:05 -0400 Subject: Voteauction.com X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Cara Feinberg" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal Mr. Bernhard, Thanks very much for speaking with me earlier today. I just left an additional message on your voicemail -- I left you both my phone number and email address, but I thought it might be easier to contact you directly via the internet. I wanted to ask you the name of your investment group, and the date you purchased Voteauction.com. I also wanted to find out how you currently profit from (or plan to in the future) from Voteauction.com -- is it from advertising on the website, or directly from the participants? I understand it is a business venture -- I am just uncertain how you derive your profits. Feel free to contact me either by email, or by telephone (the number is listed below). I will be leaving the office for the weekend at 5pm Eastern Standard Time. After that, I will be reachable at . Thanks again, Cara Feinberg Cara Feinberg Editorial Assistant The American Prospect 5 Broad Street Boston, MA 02109 Phone: (617)570-8030 Ext. 117 Fax: (617) 570-8028Delivered-To: play@ubermorgen.com X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1482246-453-971606501-play=ubermorgen.com@returns.onelist.com X-Sender: play@ubermorgen.com X-Apparently-To: betacity@egroups.com X-Sender: play@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) To: 7-11@mila.ljudmila.org From: net_CALLBOY Mailing-List: list betacity@egroups.com; contact betacity-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list betacity@egroups.com List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:41:13 +0200 Reply-To: betacity@egroups.com Subject: [betacity] voteauction.com "bringing capitalism and democrazCy closer to each other" sell your vote online... http://www.voteauction.com greetZ etoy.HANS / hans bernhard ubermorgen.com some selected artikleZ: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk082300.htm http://cnn.co.jp/2000/TECH/08/24/voteauction/ http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,17868,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/nf/0,1518,90399,00.html tonz of articles can be found herE: http://www.voteauction.com/news.htm ---> and here, for your simple pleasureZ... my very spezial inofficial etoy.STATEMENT on ubermorgen.com, voteauction.com, etoy.com and related.... ---> (paste) 2.b.2) more pitiful is the latest case in austria. industry insiders reported: the spam-mail-agency that "purchased" an american election site (after it was shut down by its founder) now plays an unsmart game. it promotes so called "shock- and guerrilla-marketing": the company tries to sell "art-editions" of cheap cars, promotes cloths and works for companies like microsoft germany. is this a problem for etoy? no. we did not think so. but fans informed us that the self-appointed pr- masterminds signed with the official etoy.EMAIL-ADDRESS to make their spam looking cool. what a brilliant masterpiece! a closer look to the website showed us that the agency calls etoy a "client and official partner" with the same "philosophy". etoy.FANS and SHAREHOLDERS - confused and disappointed that etoy is wasting its strong brand for low- key business operations - complained. we don't like to get involved in a mudslinging. trademark problems are to be found under "risk factors" in our b.p. but as a shareholder company etoy is required to inform investors. here is the official etoy.STATEMENT: "the etoy.CORPORATION does neither work with those people nor does it support this kind of business-plans and urge everybody to risk their own asses for this sort of narrow minded crap. the etoy.MANAGEMENT is always open for a twisted deal. but shock-marketing will fail: no cultural profit - no long term revenues - no brain. etoy.LAWYERS feel excited about hunting down clowns who run spam mail companies and mimic very successful art brands. thank you very much for your cooperation!" (/paste) ---> -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> Get free updates on your stocks from any phone with Tellme! Call 1-800-555-TELL. http://click.egroups.com/1/9535/4/_/256163/_/971606501/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> ^^^distributed via [betacity]###################### ^^^################################################ ^^^mailingliste:################################### ^^^post:betacity@egroups.com####################### ^^^subscribe:betacity-subscribe@egroups.com######## ^^^unsubscribe:betacity-unsubscribe@egroups.com#### ^^^portal:######################################### ^^^http://www.betacity.de ######################### ^^^personal kontakt:############################### ^^^mailto:info@betacity.de######################### ^^^################################################ no commercial use without permission of the authorDelivered-To: play@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: play@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:41:13 +0200 To: 7-11@mila.ljudmila.org From: net_CALLBOY Subject: [7-11] voteauction.com Sender: owner-7-11@mila.ljudmila.org Reply-To: 7-11@mila.ljudmila.org "bringing capitalism and democrazCy closer to each other" sell your vote online... http://www.voteauction.com greetZ etoy.HANS / hans bernhard ubermorgen.com some selected artikleZ: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk082300.htm http://cnn.co.jp/2000/TECH/08/24/voteauction/ http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,17868,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/nf/0,1518,90399,00.html tonz of articles can be found herE: http://www.voteauction.com/news.htm ---> and here, for your simple pleasureZ... my very spezial inofficial etoy.STATEMENT on ubermorgen.com, voteauction.com, etoy.com and related.... ---> (paste) 2.b.2) more pitiful is the latest case in austria. industry insiders reported: the spam-mail-agency that "purchased" an american election site (after it was shut down by its founder) now plays an unsmart game. it promotes so called "shock- and guerrilla-marketing": the company tries to sell "art-editions" of cheap cars, promotes cloths and works for companies like microsoft germany. is this a problem for etoy? no. we did not think so. but fans informed us that the self-appointed pr- masterminds signed with the official etoy.EMAIL-ADDRESS to make their spam looking cool. what a brilliant masterpiece! a closer look to the website showed us that the agency calls etoy a "client and official partner" with the same "philosophy". etoy.FANS and SHAREHOLDERS - confused and disappointed that etoy is wasting its strong brand for low- key business operations - complained. we don't like to get involved in a mudslinging. trademark problems are to be found under "risk factors" in our b.p. but as a shareholder company etoy is required to inform investors. here is the official etoy.STATEMENT: "the etoy.CORPORATION does neither work with those people nor does it support this kind of business-plans and urge everybody to risk their own asses for this sort of narrow minded crap. the etoy.MANAGEMENT is always open for a twisted deal. but shock-marketing will fail: no cultural profit - no long term revenues - no brain. etoy.LAWYERS feel excited about hunting down clowns who run spam mail companies and mimic very successful art brands. thank you very much for your cooperation!" (/paste) ---> what **** Command 'what' not recognized. why **** Command 'why' not recognized. Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, prapp@capital.net, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: Fwd: voteeeauction.com / domain-bank letter wow, amazing! very good conclusion to the project, if y'all choose to end it this way... fighting could be even more interesting though. either way you get a chance to make big loud points about the whole overall point of voteauction.com, without entirely giving away that it was entirely fake.... it can refresh the original points, that stopped being mentioned in articles as the news came to be more about various public figures getting on voteauction's case.... paul, have you been following this at all? press is at voteauction.com, press link. r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >ola > >its probably time to involve some >more lawyers, we have 30 days in >order to answer to domain-bank >request, and we should do this >properly, otherwise they will >revoke our domain cheap and easy! > >.. until now we have no official >letters from chicago or calif.. > >...and we should prepare some >press-release very fast.. > >greetZ >hans_e > > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Reply-To: "Scott Hemphill" From: "Scott Hemphill" To: >>Cc: "Hal Lubsen" , "Louis Touton" , >> "Dan Halloran" , >> "Bill Wood" >>Subject: voteauction.com >>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:44:05 -0400 >>Organization: Domain Bank, Inc. >>X-Priority: 3 >> >>Luzius A. Bernhard >> >>Kurrentgasse 10-22 >> >>Vienna, AU A-1010 >> >>Dear Mr. Bernhard: >> >>We have been contacted by the office of the Secretary of State of the State of California, USA, with regard to the activities conducted under the domain name voteauction.com, for which you are listed as registrant. The Secretary of State's office alleges that such activities constitute felonies under certain sections of the California Code. We also received a copy of direct correspondence from the Secretary of State to you setting forth the specifics of the allegations. >> >>Further, we have had conversations with representatives of the Secretary's office who have informed us that it is their intent to investigate such activities completely, and to prosecute any parties responsible therefore to the fullest extent of the law. >> >>The Service Agreement between you and Domain Bank with respect to your domain name registration provides in part that "You agree to use your domain name only in accordance with applicable laws." (See, Section 3 of the Registration Agreement, located at http://www1.domainbank.net/reg_agreement.cfm). Given the allegations of the California Secretary of State's office, and pursuant to section 9 of the Registration Agreement, we hereby notify you that you must remedy the breach of your obligations under the Registration Agreement by complying fully with California law (or furnish us with compelling evidence refuting such allegations) within 30 days after the date of this e-mail (i.e., October 13, 2000). If you fail to cure the breach (or provide such evidence) within such period, Domain Bank shall have the right, pursuant to Section 9 of the Registration Agreement, in its sole discretion to delete, revoke, suspend, transfer or otherwise modify your registration of the domain name voteauction.com. >> >>In cooperation with the above-referenced criminal investigation, we have taken steps to prevent you from transferring the domain name to another registrar during the pendency of the investigation. >> >>Please contact me if you have any questions. >> >>Very truly yours, >> >>M. Scott Hemphill >>VP & General Counsel >>Domain Bank, Inc. >>shemphill@domainbank.com www.domainbank.com 610.317.9606 > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:03:57 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: "Lavoie, Chris" Subject: Re: Interview Request Chris Lavoie, There are two people who you may interview for your program. Hans Bernhard is the current owner of voteauction.com (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, tel:+43-676-930-00-61) James Baumgartner is the grad student who started the website (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, tel +1-518-506-7725). Your email has been forwarded to both persons. Public Relations "Lavoie, Chris" wrote: >To Whom It May Concern: > >My name is Chris Lavoie, and I am the executive producer at Newsradio 550 KFYI in Phoenix, Arizona and we are planning a segment on Monday morning at 6:39am MST about voteauction.com, and we want to book a guest from your organization for a quick 4 or 5 minute interview to tell us how it works, what trouble it's causing, and whether it is successful. Please have someone get back in touch with me as soon as possible so we can set this interview up. Thank you. > >Sincerely, >Chris Lavoie, Executive Producer for KFYIDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:18:20 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: "Brown, Steve" Subject: Re: PLEASE! Steve Brown, There are two persons you may contact for an interview. Hans Bernhard is the current owner of voteauction.com (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930-00-61) James Baumgartner started the website in August (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu +1-518-506-7725) You may contact either person for an interview. Your email has been forwarded to both. Public Relations "Brown, Steve" wrote: >...TALK TO US! > >I am Steve Brown...a correspondent at the Fox News Channel. I am stationed >here in Chicago...where a lawsuit is reportedly coming...against voteauction.com > >We need your side of this to be able to be fair and balanced on this incredibly >interesting story. > >Hope to hear from you soon... > >Steve Brown >Correspondent >Fox News Channel >312/494-4854 >browns@foxnews.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:24:48 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Megan Devir Subject: Re: Fuji TV Interview Request Megan Devir, Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. There are two persons you may interview. Hans Bernhard is the current owner of voteauction.com (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930-00-61) James Baumgartner is the American who started the site (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu +1-518-506-7725) Your email has been forwarded to both persons. Public Relations Megan Devir wrote: >October 13, 2000 > >VoteAuction.com >Public Relations > >Dear VoteAuction.com, > >On behalf of Fuji Television News, I would like to request an interview with a representative of VoteAuction.com for a news documentary on the internet's impact on this year's presidential election. > >Fuji Television is the largest commercial network in Japan, reaching 98% of the Japanese population. We would like to air the VoteAuction.com interview as part of a special news documentary . > >Our Japanese correspondents will be in the U.S. from October 22-November 7. We would be >happy to schedule the interview at your convenience. > >You can contact me directly at 212-702-0560. Thank you very much for your consideration. > >Sincerely, > >Megan Devir >Fuji Television >New York BureauDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu Reply-To: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: end-game strategies All, In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com. First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.) I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction? Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that? Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. Possible future strategies: 1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions. 2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links. 3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. --- The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 04:49:29 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: end-game strategies Hans, I like where this idea is heading. I just had trouble communicating with you on the phone - international cell-phone calls are not always the best. I can't really afford to investigate with a US lawyer. I have a thesis presentation to prepare and I only have a few weeks to gather all of the footage I can. The election is on Tuesday, November 7. My thesis presentation will be that same night. I'm thinking - big election night victory party complete with power point and video presentation. James On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>All, > >hi there > >thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax.. > >my opinion: > >:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing >out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood.. > >:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out >with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment, >so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; > >---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer >so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly? > >:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go >out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... > >----again, legal check.. >----this email should generate the last big wave >of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. > >:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal >side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore? > >----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and >talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? > >pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! > >greetZ >hans_e > > >ps: what exactly is the election date??? > > > >>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com. >> >>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.) >> >>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction? >> >>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that? >> >>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. >> >>Possible future strategies: >>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions. >> >>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links. >> >>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. >> >>--- >> >>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. >> >>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions. >> >>James > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: liz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:13:42 +0200 To: baumgj@rpi.edu From: lizvlx Subject: Re: end-game strategies Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com dear all; i am here in berlin. the press is running crazy in media-loving germany. what do i think about the points/ideas made so far: . i also would never ever tell anybody that it is not working really. the people shalt believe what they want to believe. . i would not stop it yet. . concerning domainbank: i am doing the following: . preparing a letter to the domainbank, which will state that we have not been contacted formally by any governmental bodies, i.e. we would not know what laws we are breaking at the moment. i will get this cross-checked with a laywer in berlin. . i will meet the newly-elected icann person from germany, namely a member of the infamous ccc.org; and discuss the issue with him. i see another interesting issue in the domainbank thing.* . i will also check for an alternative domain for voteauction, so we can always solve the domainbank thing easily anytime in a technical kind of way. i still cant believe in a way that they are all running crazy an this, but then....they always do... we cant stop now, the media would hate us! bestz; lizvlx All, hi there thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax.. my opinion: :: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood.. :: we should push it real hard right now.. go out with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment, so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; ---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly? :: then, 4 days before the election, we should go out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... ----again, legal check.. ----this email should generate the last big wave of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. :: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore? ----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! greetZ hans_e ps: what exactly is the election date??? In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com. First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.) I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction? Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that? Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. Possible future strategies: 1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions. 2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links. 3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. --- The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions. 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Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: liz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:03:05 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: lizvlx Subject: voteauction - laywer Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu dear all; i will be talking to a lawyer here in berlin on wednesday. and, i will also be talking to a member of icann tomorrow. we'll see what their advice will be. bestz; liz -- . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954. . . .ema liz@ubermorgen.com . . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 43228608 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! disclaimer01:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person(s) to whom they are addressed. if you have received the email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system. do not copy or distribute it or disclose its contents to any person. unless otherwise stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not represent the official view of the company. Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:13:16 -0400 From: aacooper X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: California investigation into voteauction.com Dear Sir: The California Secretary of State announced today an investigation into the practices of your Web site, voteauction.com. He claims the site is conducting illegal business by offering votes for sale. In the interest of fair reporting, we need a comment from you or a representative of your company about this investigation. I am interested in why you bought the Web site and how you defend yourself against these claims, which, as you know, have also been made in other U.S. states. Please contact me by phone or email. Yours, Audrey Cooper The Associated Press 916-488-9555 aacooper@ap.orgDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: moni@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:59:47 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com, liz@ubermorgen.com From: ubermoni Subject: infos - office vienna zuerst einmal sorry - wegen der post -> werde in zukunft meine unterschrift nirgendwo mehr darunter setzen what happened today: post:: :: e-mail nach japan - bewerbung verfasst mic hat es mit zur post genommen :: e-mail an admin@rtmark.com :: e-mail an marcev :: e-mail an wien nord wegen beantwortung fragenkatalog :: e-mail achim - zwecks ausssendung :: weiterleitung foto-feedback hr. steiner hr. goelles kontaktliste fuer event - vip einladungen:: :: kontakte von hans bereits erhalten :: liz, moechtest du noch kontakte hinzufuegen? :: vorgangsweise :: mic meint ein sammelmail (bcc) wuerde o.k.sein - fuer euch auch? :: mic kommt morgen gegen 10.00-13.00 -> bitte bis zu diesem zeitpunkt alle infos danke steuerberaterin:: :: hole morgen die 3 rechnung von fr. bart :: ubergabe der 2000er belege zwecks event. steuerverguetung (betrifft germany) :: mehr infos morgen pjure feedback:: :: beate huber schickte heute noch oder morgen feedback invoice wto:: :: leider klappt der scanner noch nicht mic und ich arbeiten morgen daran :: die daten total due: 206.00 euro cheque payable to center for international legal studies bank transfer to CILS ATS account.no 131-0103/24 at oberbank salzburg , blz 15090, ignaz-harrer str. 40a, 5020 salzburg transfers must be marked "free of charge to beneficiary" mic/moni: :: pgp installiert logenvertrag phalanx: :: noch immer problem mit dem drucker skim adressen: :: updaten begonnen to do tomorrow: :: abgabe der rechnungen bei artportal und portfolio hr. hartinger werde ich wohl nicht antreffen - keine tel.nr. sofern der drucker klappt um 9:00 starte sobald ich e-mail verschickt habe nochmals neu :: mic kommt um 10:00 -> mailing list - event letter von hans :: rechnungen von der steuerberaterin holen und belege 2000 - uebergabe :: weiterleiten unterschriebenen vertrag- loge an phalanx :: es faellt sicher noch einiges an vorerst mal ende des reportings - muss drucker problem in griff kriegen bye moni -- . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-6148108. . . .ema moni@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 92010402 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:24:52 -0500 To: net_CALLBOY , James M Baumgartner From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: end-game strategies Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com greetings oh brilliant voteauction managers- i think hans' plan is exactly on the money. exactly on the money. this becomes about milking the last drops out of it. its perfect. i think mentioning the "soft money" plan is really important... brings the very idea of the project ot a head in a most dramatic way. It must be carefully written , but its not a legal exercise anyway, its essentially just a way to connect these ideas- i think not only does this get the point accross, it starts to make the project even more abstract- it pushes it further ("we just "suggest" who to vote for... its quite funny) it might make sense to make the announcement of the system "going offline" or not working on election day itself. IF you are to uncomfortable with the legal stuff, take CA and IL out of the lineup, just like New York. You could say that registration has been suspended in these states until you can properly enact this soft money plan. The elections are so close, might as well milk it. frank James: as for the thesis presentation, i would say forget about trying to gather everything up like its some kind of retrospective of voteacution. start working on the perfect speech to wrap things up on election night. You should just give a press conference- do the voteacution victory sppech. Just get a bunch of confetti and party poppers, a couple banners, a pa system, and bring your DJ rig for good party music. The speech can contextualize everything. You could print out all the press and put int in some three ring binders for people to read. no big deal... this is still a living part of the whole project, no need to embalm it on election day...! time for that later... At 10:12 AM +0200 10/16/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>All, > >hi there > >thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax.. > >my opinion: > >:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing >out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood.. > >:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out >with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment, >so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; > >---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer >so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly? > >:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go >out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... > >----again, legal check.. >----this email should generate the last big wave >of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. > >:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal >side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore? > >----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and >talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? > >pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! > >greetZ >hans_e > > >ps: what exactly is the election date??? > > > >>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com. >> >>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.) >> >>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction? >> >>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that? >> >>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. >> >>Possible future strategies: >>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions. >> >>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links. >> >>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. >> >>--- >> >>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. >> >>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions. >> >>James > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY , James M Baumgartner , liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: end-game strategies yes! i agree too... it's best and most brilliant to do it this way--the most brilliant of all possible plans. i think election day is nov. 7. ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >greetings oh brilliant voteauction managers- > >i think hans' plan is exactly on the money. exactly on the money. this becomes about milking the last drops out of it. its perfect. > >i think mentioning the "soft money" plan is really important... brings the very idea of the project ot a head in a most dramatic way. It must be carefully written , but its not a legal exercise anyway, its essentially just a way to connect these ideas- i think not only does this get the point accross, it starts to make the project even more abstract- it pushes it further ("we just "suggest" who to vote for... its quite funny) > >it might make sense to make the announcement of the system "going offline" or not working on election day itself. > >IF you are to uncomfortable with the legal stuff, take CA and IL out of the lineup, just like New York. You could say that registration has been suspended in these states until you can properly enact this soft money plan. > >The elections are so close, might as well milk it. > >frank > >James: as for the thesis presentation, i would say forget about trying to gather everything up like its some kind of retrospective of voteacution. start working on the perfect speech to wrap things up on election night. You should just give a press conference- do the voteacution victory sppech. Just get a bunch of confetti and party poppers, a couple banners, a pa system, and bring your DJ rig for good party music. The speech can contextualize everything. You could print out all the press and put int in some three ring binders for people to read. no big deal... this is still a living part of the whole project, no need to embalm it on election day...! time for that later... > > > >At 10:12 AM +0200 10/16/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>All, >> >>hi there >> >>thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax.. >> >>my opinion: >> >>:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing >>out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood.. >> >>:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out >>with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment, >>so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; >> >>---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer >>so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly? >> >>:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go >>out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... >> >>----again, legal check.. >>----this email should generate the last big wave >>of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. >> >>:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal >>side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore? >> >>----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and >>talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? >> >>pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! >> >>greetZ >>hans_e >> >> >>ps: what exactly is the election date??? >> >> >> >>>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com. >>> >>>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.) >>> >>>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction? >>> >>>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that? >>> >>>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. >>> >>>Possible future strategies: >>>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions. >>> >>>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links. >>> >>>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. >>> >>>--- >>> >>>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. >>> >>>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions. >>> >>>James >> >>-- >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: liz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:18:26 +0200 To: net_CALLBOY From: lizvlx Subject: Re: Fwd: California investigation into voteauction.com ok see below. lizvlllx any consulting for my answer would be appreciated; greetz hans Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:13:16 -0400 From: aacooper X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: California investigation into voteauction.com Dear Sir: The California Secretary of State announced today an investigation into the practices of your Web site, voteauction.com. He claims the site is conducting illegal business by offering votes for sale. In the interest of fair reporting, we need a comment from you or a representative of your company about this investigation. I am interested in why you bought the Web site and how you defend yourself against these claims, which, as you know, have also been made in other U.S. states. Please contact me by phone or email. 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Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY , James M Baumgartner , liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: end-game strategies p.s. what i meant was--i think too that hans's plan is best. i mean, it would be nice to eventually somehow get the word out on the exact intention of this, but this can be done without revealing hoax, with careful writing of the press release.... and pulling it out of calif and illinois good idea, and getting the voteauction.lt or whatever is really great.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >yes! i agree too... it's best and most brilliant to do it this way--the most brilliant of all possible plans. i think election day is nov. 7. > >ray > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, frank guerrero wrote: > >>greetings oh brilliant voteauction managers- >> >>i think hans' plan is exactly on the money. exactly on the money. this becomes about milking the last drops out of it. its perfect. >> >>i think mentioning the "soft money" plan is really important... brings the very idea of the project ot a head in a most dramatic way. It must be carefully written , but its not a legal exercise anyway, its essentially just a way to connect these ideas- i think not only does this get the point accross, it starts to make the project even more abstract- it pushes it further ("we just "suggest" who to vote for... its quite funny) >> >>it might make sense to make the announcement of the system "going offline" or not working on election day itself. >> >>IF you are to uncomfortable with the legal stuff, take CA and IL out of the lineup, just like New York. You could say that registration has been suspended in these states until you can properly enact this soft money plan. >> >>The elections are so close, might as well milk it. >> >>frank >> >>James: as for the thesis presentation, i would say forget about trying to gather everything up like its some kind of retrospective of voteacution. start working on the perfect speech to wrap things up on election night. You should just give a press conference- do the voteacution victory sppech. Just get a bunch of confetti and party poppers, a couple banners, a pa system, and bring your DJ rig for good party music. The speech can contextualize everything. You could print out all the press and put int in some three ring binders for people to read. no big deal... this is still a living part of the whole project, no need to embalm it on election day...! time for that later... >> >> >> >>At 10:12 AM +0200 10/16/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>All, >>> >>>hi there >>> >>>thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax.. >>> >>>my opinion: >>> >>>:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing >>>out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood.. >>> >>>:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out >>>with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment, >>>so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; >>> >>>---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer >>>so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly? >>> >>>:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go >>>out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... >>> >>>----again, legal check.. >>>----this email should generate the last big wave >>>of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. >>> >>>:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal >>>side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore? >>> >>>----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and >>>talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? >>> >>>pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! >>> >>>greetZ >>>hans_e >>> >>> >>>ps: what exactly is the election date??? >>> >>> >>> >>>>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com. >>>> >>>>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.) >>>> >>>>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction? >>>> >>>>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that? >>>> >>>>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. >>>> >>>>Possible future strategies: >>>>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions. >>>> >>>>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links. >>>> >>>>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. >>>> >>>>--- >>>> >>>>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. >>>> >>>>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions. >>>> >>>>James >>> >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html >> > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:36:18 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: esingley@siegelgale.com Subject: Re: unbelievable Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. We appreciate the public expressing their opinion to us. If you would like the rest of the world to hear your opinion, feel free to use our message board. Public Relations esingley@siegelgale.com wrote: >You people are so unbelievably fucked up. I just don't even know where to begin.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:36:18 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: esingley@siegelgale.com Subject: Re: unbelievable Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. We appreciate the public expressing their opinion to us. If you would like the rest of the world to hear your opinion, feel free to use our message board. Public Relations esingley@siegelgale.com wrote: >You people are so unbelievably fucked up. I just don't even know where to begin.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: restraining order great! well, i guess they win--better take illinois right damn off that website. at least pending the soft money thing--when this sort of stupid legal impediment is wiped away.... ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >I just received a phone call from Kris Davis at the law firm of James M. Scanlon & Assoc. (representing the Chicago Board of Elections) They wanted to let me know that I am being named in a lawsuit that will come up on Wednesday seeking a restraining order. The particulars will get to me tomorrow via Fed Ex, and I will be served by the Albany county sheriff later in the week. > >oh joy... > >James Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:19:15 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com Subject: restraining order I just received a phone call from Kris Davis at the law firm of James M. Scanlon & Assoc. (representing the Chicago Board of Elections) They wanted to let me know that I am being named in a lawsuit that will come up on Wednesday seeking a restraining order. The particulars will get to me tomorrow via Fed Ex, and I will be served by the Albany county sheriff later in the week. oh joy... JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:44:35 -0400 From: Hans Sandberg Organization: Sandberg Features X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Voteauction.com Hi Hans, I assume that you have seen the statement from Bill Jones in California. He claims that he has found a way to shut your site down. Is that true? ..... "turn it around, how should voteauction.com know if you are not only using journalism as cover-up for secret service or other .gov work? the probability that we already did interviews with .gov agents is very very high.." You are right about this. I could be a FBI agent.... it is easy to become paranoid in cyberspace. Maybe we will feel safe the day we all have retinal scanners at our home PC's...... AS far as your name goes... it is out now with the press release from Bill Jones. Sorry. Regards, Hans -- ========================================================= ********** Sandberg Features ********** ********** Hans and Lisa Sandberg ********** ********** Princeton Junction, NJ, USA ************* ******** Phone:(609)936-1626 * Fax: (801)991-4609 ******* ********** E-mail: nordic-link@home.com ************* =========================================================Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: lizvlx cc: baumgj@rpi.edu, frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: end-game strategies Sounds great!!!! http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, lizvlx wrote: > >dear all; > >i am here in berlin. > >the press is running crazy in media-loving germany. > >what do i think about the points/ideas made so far: > >. i also would never ever tell anybody that >it is not working really. the people shalt believe what they want to believe. > >. i would not stop it yet. > >. concerning domainbank: i am doing the >following: >. preparing a letter to the domainbank, >which will state that we have not been >contacted formally by any governmental >bodies, i.e. we would not know what >laws we are breaking at the moment. >i will get this cross-checked with a >laywer in berlin. >. i will meet the newly-elected icann >person from germany, namely a member >of the infamous ccc.org; and discuss >the issue with him. i see another >interesting issue in the domainbank thing.* > >. i will also check for an alternative domain >for voteauction, so we can always solve the domainbank thing easily anytime in a >technical kind of way. > >i still cant believe in a way that they are all running crazy an this, but then....they always do... > >we cant stop now, the media would hate us! > >bestz; >lizvlx > > >>>All, >> >>hi there >> >>thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax.. >> >>my opinion: >> >>:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing >>out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood.. >> >>:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out >>with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment, >>so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; >> >>---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer >>so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly? >> >>:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go >>out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... >> >>----again, legal check.. >>----this email should generate the last big wave >>of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. >> >>:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal >>side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore? >> >>----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and >>talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? >> >>pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! >> >>greetZ >>hans_e >> >> >>ps: what exactly is the election date??? >> >> >>>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com. >>> >>>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.) >>> >>>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction? >>> >>>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that? >>> >>>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. >>> >>>Possible future strategies: >>>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions. >>> >>>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links. >>> >>>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. >>> >>>--- >>> >>>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. >>> >>>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions. >>> >>>James >> >>-- >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html > >-- >. . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954. . . .ema liz@ubermorgen.com . . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 43228608 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > > >disclaimer01:: >the contents of this email, and any attachments, are CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person(s) to whom they are addressed. if you have received the email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system. do not copy or distribute it or disclose its contents to any person. unless otherwise stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not represent the official view of the company. Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:11:59 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: update Hans, This newest update removes Illinois from the registration pages. Put it up when you see fit. Data can be deleted as well. Public Relations Attachment converted: berlin:va101700.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (00015604)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:23:38 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: updates Hans, The "sell.php3" and "individualbid.php3" that I gave you earlier were messed up - they disabled the forms altogether. These should be good. They have California and Illinois removed for good measure. Public Relations Attachment converted: berlin:va101700a.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (0001576D)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: restraining order I'm still waiting for the FEDEX package to arrive. I'm not really sure what a press release should say. I'm especially not sure about this policeman that is going to question me? I guess that information about that will be in the FED EX package. I don't plan on adding perjury to any charges that they may want to put on me. I suppose I could "plead the fifth" and not answer on grounds of possible self-incrimination. I'll let you know what the Fed Ex package says when I get it. What does the email you received say about my questioning? James On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>I just received a phone call from Kris Davis at the law firm of James M. Scanlon & Assoc. (representing the Chicago Board of Elections) They wanted to let me know that I am being named in a lawsuit that will come up on Wednesday seeking a restraining order. The particulars will get to me tomorrow via Fed Ex, and I will be served by the Albany county sheriff later in the week. >> >>oh joy... > >ohhh yes! what a joy, they really try >to put pressure on, dont they! > >are you afraid? > >pls let me know so we can act in our >collaborative interest.. > >you should be out of the game anyway.. > >will put your update up in the next >hours or so.., > >who is gona start to write the press. >release? > >they sent me this shit and put all >kind of people on it. primitive man! > > >stay strong! > >greetZ >hans > > >>James > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:41:09 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Brian Knowlton Subject: Re: URGENT press inquiry answers to questions below Brian Knowlton wrote: >Hi. I'm the bureau chief of the International Herald Tribune in Washington, D.C., >and am working on a story on voteauction.com. > >I need to put some questions to someone. Is there someone I can call this morning? > >Or can I at least e-mail you some questions? > >They would be along the lines of: > >1) What about the legal challenges? Are you persuaded you're on sound legal ground? > we are still looking into this question > >2) What about the way this undermines democracy? This would not reflect the people's will, >but rather the will of the highest bidder. > isn't democracy currently undermined by the soft money system? in the soft money system, the will of the highest bidder is expressed to the candidate. the candidate then makes decisions that profit the highest bidder. the voters are completely left out of the soft money system. they are treated like a product to be sold to the candidates (and their financial backers) by advertising and political consultants. votes are currently treated as a commodity, with our system, the voters are able to cash in on this commodity. > >3) Seriously, what future do you see for voteauction? Do you really expect to survive, >flourish and expand, and if so, in which directions? > we are looking into expanding into many markets - wherever large sums of money are used to influence an election and votes are treated as a commodity. Public Relations > >Many thanks, >Brian Knowlton >I.H.T.-Washington >Ph: 202-334-7418 > >email: knowltonb@washpost.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com Subject: Re: restraining order Hans, I'll be sure to consult with a lawyer as soon as I get the package. Perjury is lying under oath, in court, in a deposition, et cetera. I am avoiding the press right now until i get a better handle on what is going on. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:14:43 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: voteauction.com / domain-bank/ chicago wow! $100,000 -- at least it's not REAL money.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >just fyi > >seems like domain-bank received the chicago thing.. hehehe.. rolling, rolling.. > >hans > > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Reply-To: "Scott Hemphill" From: "Scott Hemphill" To: >>Cc: "Hal Lubsen" , "Louis Touton" , >> "Dan Halloran" , >> "Bill Wood" , >> >>Subject: voteauction.com >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:22:58 -0400 >>Organization: Domain Bank, Inc. >>X-Priority: 3 >> >> >> >>Luzius A. Bernhard >> >>Kurrentgasse 10-22 >> >>Vienna, AU A-1010 >> >>Dear Mr. Bernhard: >> >>Domain Bank, Inc. has been named as a defendant in a legal action brought by the Board of Election Commissioners of the City of Chicago, et.al., alleging that Domain Bank is complicit in certain felonious activities being conducted at your web site located at www.voteauction.com. >> >>As you know, paragraph 7 of the Domain Bank Service Agreement to which you are a party provides: >> >>You agree to defend, indemnify and hold harmless Domain Bank, its affiliates and business partners, and any applicable domain name registry, including without limitation Network Solutions, Inc., and the directors, officers, employees and agents of each of them, from and against any and all claims, actions, losses, damages, expenses and costs, including reasonable attorneys' fees and expenses, arising out of or relating to (i) your domain name registration, (ii) any breach by you of this Agreement, including the Dispute Policy, or (iii) any third party claim, action, or demand related to your domain name or the use thereof. >> >>Accordingly, we hereby demand that you provide to Domain Bank an indemnification bond in the amount of $100,000 USD to mitigate our exposure in the above-referenced legal action. You must provide such bond to our offices no later than 1:00 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, October 18, 2000, or else we reserve the right to proceed with the remedies available to us under the Service Agreement. >> >>Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions in regard to this matter. >> >>Cordially, >> >>M. Scott Hemphill >>VP & General Counsel >>Domain Bank, Inc. >>shemphill@domainbank.com www.domainbank.com 610.317.9606 > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: jrubinstein@pop.igc.org Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:30:42 -0700 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: Joel Rubinstein Subject: voteauction.com Dear Luzius Bernhard, Is this a joke? Are you trying to make a point, or get attention? Or is this what it claims to be? Joel Rubinstein San Francisco USADelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:26:58 -0400 From: Hans Sandberg Organization: Sandberg Features X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Voteauction.com Hi Hans, He claims that he has asked ICANN to shut your site down. Tough guy, this Jones. My story about Voteauction and the interview will run in both Dagens IT (Sweden) and Politiken (a major Danish daily newspaper.) Regards, Hans -- ========================================================= ********** Sandberg Features ********** ********** Hans and Lisa Sandberg ********** ********** Princeton Junction, NJ, USA ************* ******** Phone:(609)936-1626 * Fax: (801)991-4609 ******* ********** E-mail: nordic-link@home.com ************* ========================================================= Clients/Computers & IT-press: ========================================================= Denmark: Alt om Data Politiken/Computer Finland: Mikro PC Tietoviikko Norway: Datatid Sweden: Dagens IT Datateknik Ny Teknik/IT TV8 ========================================================= Clients/Non-IT: ========================================================= Canada: The National Post Denmark: Berlingske Tidende Jyllands-Posten Politiken Finland: Finlands Press Helsingin Sanomat Hufvudstadsbladet Metro Europe Metro Helsinki Suomen Kuvalehti Germany: Allegra Berliner Zeitung Die Tageszeitung Stern Magazine New Zealand: Grocer's Review Norway: Aftenposten Dagspressen Fritt Kjøpmanskap KK Verdens Gang Saudi Arabia: Hia Singapore: Female Sweden: Aftonbladet Fri Köpenskap InPrint/SEBank Pressens Tidning Svenska Dagbladet UK: The Grocer Magazine Morning News US: Metro Philadelphia ========================================================== Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:00:37 -0400 From: Hans Sandberg Organization: Sandberg Features X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Voteauction.com Hi again, Here is the link to the online version of my story for Dagens IT. http://www.dagensit.se/pub/pub34_3.asp?art_id=6018 Take care, Hans -- ========================================================= ********** Sandberg Features ********** ********** Hans and Lisa Sandberg ********** ********** Princeton Junction, NJ, USA ************* ******** Phone:(609)936-1626 * Fax: (801)991-4609 ******* ********** E-mail: nordic-link@home.com ************* =========================================================Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com Subject: Re: Fwd: voteauction.com / domain-bank/ chicago All. DAMN! I guess that's one way for Chicago to get their way. How could Domain Bank even be held responsible? You are absolutely right about fucking heavy-handed American government tactics. I was a little freaked out for a while, but now I'm just completely pissed off. Fucking sneaky bastards. Are you preparing a new domain name for voteauction? Might be good to have. It will be pretty easy to get the name out, just tell a few press and the traffic will flow somewhere else. grrr. I still haven't been "served" the appropriate paperwork. I think I'll go home and hang around outside of my apartment until the sheriff shows up. This reminds me of when McDonalds sued protestors for libel. The protestors didn't have any money, of course so they couldn't fight it. I've been working on a new logo for voteauction - I put a big black box over George Washington's mouth. Let me know if you want to use it. James On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >just fyi > >seems like domain-bank received the chicago thing.. hehehe.. rolling, rolling.. > >hans > > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Reply-To: "Scott Hemphill" From: "Scott Hemphill" To: >>Cc: "Hal Lubsen" , "Louis Touton" , >> "Dan Halloran" , >> "Bill Wood" , >> >>Subject: voteauction.com >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:22:58 -0400 >>Organization: Domain Bank, Inc. >>X-Priority: 3 >> >> >> >>Luzius A. Bernhard >> >>Kurrentgasse 10-22 >> >>Vienna, AU A-1010 >> >>Dear Mr. Bernhard: >> >>Domain Bank, Inc. has been named as a defendant in a legal action brought by the Board of Election Commissioners of the City of Chicago, et.al., alleging that Domain Bank is complicit in certain felonious activities being conducted at your web site located at www.voteauction.com. >> >>As you know, paragraph 7 of the Domain Bank Service Agreement to which you are a party provides: >> >>You agree to defend, indemnify and hold harmless Domain Bank, its affiliates and business partners, and any applicable domain name registry, including without limitation Network Solutions, Inc., and the directors, officers, employees and agents of each of them, from and against any and all claims, actions, losses, damages, expenses and costs, including reasonable attorneys' fees and expenses, arising out of or relating to (i) your domain name registration, (ii) any breach by you of this Agreement, including the Dispute Policy, or (iii) any third party claim, action, or demand related to your domain name or the use thereof. >> >>Accordingly, we hereby demand that you provide to Domain Bank an indemnification bond in the amount of $100,000 USD to mitigate our exposure in the above-referenced legal action. You must provide such bond to our offices no later than 1:00 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, October 18, 2000, or else we reserve the right to proceed with the remedies available to us under the Service Agreement. >> >>Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions in regard to this matter. >> >>Cordially, >> >>M. Scott Hemphill >>VP & General Counsel >>Domain Bank, Inc. >>shemphill@domainbank.com www.domainbank.com 610.317.9606 > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:56:23 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Brian Knowlton Subject: Re: URGENT press inquiry Brian Knowlton, Brian Knowlton wrote: >Hi. Can I have a name to attach to these quotes (or should I just say, "a spokesman, >who declined to be named, said ...") ? "a public relations representative" or something similar would be fine > >And a follow-up question: Your answers seem to imply that you believe you're doing >a public service by showing up the flaws in the current system. Yet you profit from those >flaws. Would you be happy if campaign finance-reform did away with what you see >as your raison d'etre? if campaign-finance reform did away with our revenue stream, then we would have to find a different revenue stream. this would not make us happy or sad, we would simply have to adjust to accomodate a changing election industry, perhaps we would expand into other area of American privatization. we hear there is discussion of turning public schools over to corporations for more efficient use of public money as well as profit for investors. this is a very interesting area for us, one that we are considering for our next investment. > please feel free to correct the poor english > Public Relations > >Many thanks, Brian Knowlton. > >Public Relations on 10/17/2000 11:41:09 AM > >To: Brian Knowlton cc: > >Subject: Re: URGENT press inquiry > >answers to questions below > >Brian Knowlton wrote: > >>Hi. I'm the bureau chief of the International Herald Tribune in >Washington, >>D.C., >>and am working on a story on voteauction.com. >> >>I need to put some questions to someone. Is there someone I can call >this >>morning? >> >>Or can I at least e-mail you some questions? >> >>They would be along the lines of: >> >>1) What about the legal challenges? Are you persuaded you're on sound >legal >>ground? >> > >we are still looking into this question > >> >>2) What about the way this undermines democracy? This would not reflect the people's will, >>but rather the will of the highest bidder. >> > >isn't democracy currently undermined by the soft money system? in the soft money system, the will of the highest bidder is expressed to the candidate. the candidate then makes decisions that profit the highest bidder. the voters >are completely left out of the soft money system. they are treated like a product to be sold to the candidates (and their financial backers) by advertising and political consultants. votes are currently treated as a commodity, with our system, the voters are able to cash in on this commodity. > >> >>3) Seriously, what future do you see for voteauction? Do you really >expect >>to survive, >>flourish and expand, and if so, in which directions? >> > >we are looking into expanding into many markets - wherever large sums of money >are used to influence an election and votes are treated as a commodity. > >Public Relations > >> >>Many thanks, >>Brian Knowlton >>I.H.T.-Washington >>Ph: 202-334-7418 >> >>email: knowltonb@washpost.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:16:30 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: baumgj@rpi.edu CC: hans@ubermorgen.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com Subject: [Fwd: media] All, PR is trying to track down a copy of this tape. For the Austrians: Rush Limbaugh is a very popular, very conservative, talk radio host. He has a 3 hour program that is syndicated across the USA. At the beginning of the Clinton administration, he had a nightly TV show, but his popularity has waned since then. PR -------- Original Message -------- Subject: media Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:29:21 -0500 From: "David Rodgers" To: Not 5 minutes ago Rush Limbaugh mentioned your site on his radio show. 10/17/00 1:28 p.m. CDTDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: jrubinstein@pop.igc.org Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:46:12 -0700 To: pr@voteauction.com, ubermorgen From: Joel Rubinstein Subject: Re: voteauction.com Dear Hans, I heard about voteauction.com on Morning Edition, not Rush Limbaugh. I inspected your site and I am unable to determine if this is an elaborate hoax or a serious commercial venture, so I am asking you directly. Is this a joke? Are you trying to make a point, or get attention? Or is this what it claims to be? Sincerely, Joel Rubinstein San Francisco CA USA Editor, Bay Area Results News At 11:33 PM 10/17/00 +0200, ubermorgen wrote: >>Dear Luzius Bernhard, >> >>Is this a joke? Are you trying to make a point, or get attention? Or is this what it claims to be? > >dear joel > >Not 5 minutes ago Rush Limbaugh mentioned voteauction.com on his radio show. 10/17/00 1:28 p.m. CDT > >are you a journalist? >if yes, please send your Qs to pr@voteauction.com > >best regards > >hans >ubermorgen.com > > >>Joel Rubinstein >>San Francisco >>USADelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Wagner, Keith" To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Scheduling an interview Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:37:45 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 Mr. Bernhard: I'm an editor at Accessmagazine.com, the daily Web companion to a weekly U.S. newspaper supplement. We report news about the Web and explain what that news means to our readers, and we also provide reviews of interesting and useful sites that we think our readers should visit. I'm writing a story slated to be published on Tuesday, Nov. 7, election day here in the U.S., about the Voteauction site and the ideas behind it. Would it be possible to schedule an interview with you, either this week or next? I'd like to speak with your about your reasons for purchasing the site, what you think it will accomplish, both in the U.S. and elsewhere, and what you intend to do with the site beyond the election. Please get back to me at your earliest convenience. I look forward to talking with you soon. Regards, Keith Wagner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keith Wagner Assistant Editor www.Accessmagazine.com 35 Highland Circle Needham, MA 02494-3032 tel: 781-453-3990 x157 fax: 781-453-3988 Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:35:24 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com Subject: federales All, I was just paid a visit by a couple of nice gentlemen from the FBI. They just wanted to talk to me a little bit about voteauction.com, you know, ask a few questions. I've seen too many episodes of "Law & Order" to fall for that one so I told them that I wasn't comfortable talking to them right now. I also got a