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Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: To: Subject: An email from Slate Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:33:38 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 13:33:39.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[57E3FC00:01C04408] I thought you may enjoy this! Hans everyday economics If eBay Ran the Election Who would buy the votes and what would they pay? By Steven E. Landsburg Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2000, at 4:00 p.m. PT At Vote-auction.com, you can sell your presidential vote. At least you could sell your vote up until a couple of days ago, when an judge from Cook County, Ill. (ironically, the traditional vote-fraud capital of the world), issued a restraining order. Now you can exchange your vote for a "voluntary donation." Here's how Vote-auction.com works: Say you live in Massachusetts. You sign up to join the "Massachusetts voting bloc," which (as of this writing) has 731 members. The entire block is auctioned off eBay-style, and the winning bid÷excuse me, the winning voluntary donation÷is divided evenly among the bloc's members in exchange for their absentee ballots. The current high bid for the Massachusetts bloc is $4,000, or $6.08 per vote. That's pretty low, presumably because everybody already knows who's going to carry Massachusetts. (The Texas bloc is going for an even lower $4.19 per vote.) If you live in hotly contested Michigan, your vote is now worth $22.73. Even so, only 1,429 Michigan voters have signed up÷almost surely too few to change the outcome. But the Internet is in its infancy and this is only the beginning. By 2004, Internet vote-selling could be as ubiquitous as Internet porn. Not that there's anything truly new under the sun. In 1769, the great legal scholar William Blackstone opposed universal suffrage because he feared that the poor would sell their votes. To whom? Blackstone thought the answer was obvious: The rich would buy votes from the poor and use their enhanced political power to exploit the middle class. But that's not obvious at all. Why shouldn't the middle class buy all the votes and use them to exploit the rich? It won't do to respond that the rich have more money. That only makes them a more tempting target. Why can't a middle-class coalition buy votes on credit, win the election, take from the rich and give to themselves, pay off their debts, and have plenty left over? Another great legal scholar, Judge Richard Posner, has an answer: The middle class is just too big. Large coalitions invite free-riding. As long as each of your neighbors buys 10 votes, why bother buying any yourself? After all, it's astronomically unlikely that your personal contribution can change the election outcome. Everyone reasons that way, nobody contributes to the general enterprise, and the coalition breaks down. The rich, by contrast, at least in Blackstone's day, were few enough in number that they might have been able to hold a coalition together. Today, in a world where everyone's a dot-com millionaire, that's far less likely to be true. You could argue that one extremely wealthy individual÷let's call him B.G. for Big Guy÷might overcome the free-rider problem by forming a coalition of one, buy all the votes, and take over the world. But it's far from clear he'd be successful. More likely, he'd end up in a bidding war against those who fear him the most, and the price of votes would be bid up to the point where B.G. might just as well give up. In a world where votes are bought and sold, how do you form a coalition that's both big enough to outbid the competition and small enough to exclude free-riders? Probably you can't, so you've got to attack the free-rider problem some other way÷say by cultivating charismatic leaders capable of inspiring members to contribute even when it goes against their narrowly defined self-interest. Those leaders would raise money from coalition members, use it to buy votes, buy additional votes on credit, get themselves elected, extract wealth from their enemies, pay off their debts to voters, and distribute the remaining proceeds to the members of the coalition. If that sounds vaguely familiar, it's probably because you live in a similar world. When I first heard about Vote-auction.com, I was convinced that explicit vote-selling could change the face of American politics. On reflection, I'm not sure it will make much difference. In the hypothetical future where votes are traded on the Internet, political parties will win elections by starting with a core coalition of "true believers" inspired by charismatic leadership and then using cash to buy enough votes to win. In the actual present, political parties win elections exactly the same way, except that they buy votes implicitly with promises of government largess instead of explcitly with cash. (e.g., "Vote for me and I'll give you a Head Start program, or a business subsidy, or a tariff protection.") Either way, success depends on holding that core coalition together. It's not at all clear that you'd change the outcome just by making the vote-buying more explicit. Whatever the process, the simplest theory predicts that the winner will walk away with only a small reward. If the presidency is worth $15 billion and a candidate thinks he can win it by buying $10 billion worth of votes, he's likely to be surprised by an opponent who offers $11 billion. Then the other candidate will offer $12 billion and so on, until the winner pays almost $15 billion for a $15 billion prize. That would be true÷according to the simple theory÷in a world where votes are sold for cash, and the same theory says it should be true in the world we live in today, where votes are sold for subsidies and spending programs. There are only two ways around the theory's prediction: 1) An exceptionally charismatic candidate might be able to buy votes at bargain prices; and 2) candidates can collude with their opponents. If Candidate A agrees with Candidate B to limit bids, one of them can win the $15 billion prize for $10 billion and the two can split the remaining $5 billion. The winning candidate might even get good press by labeling his collusive agreement a combination of "campaign-finance reform" and "bipartisanship." In the hypothetical future where all votes are traded on the Internet, it's easy to see how bipartisan collusion would line the pockets of politicians at the expense of voters by holding down the price of votes. In the actual present, the same thing is true for essentially the same reason. Without collusion, politicians who enrich themselves can be "outbid" by opponents who offer to duplicate their policies while returning a little extra to the voters through tax cuts or spending. The bidding continues until all excess profits are competed away. Only bipartisanship can limit that process. So, when George W. Bush boasts about his record of working closely with Democrats, he's really boasting about his role in a conspiracy against the public. If Bush weren't working so closely with the opposition, he'd have to compete by offering the voters a better deal. By closing off competition, he makes it possible for both leaders in both parties to preserve resources for themselves and other faithful insiders. That's why so many politicians retire rich. Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Originating-IP: [212.186.130.182] Reply-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "net_ CALLBOY" To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: fcw article Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 04:07:45 GMT X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 04:07:45.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[744833A0:01C04482] http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2000/0925/pol-vote-09-25-00.asp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:15:45 +0100 From: carl X-Accept-Language: en To: hans Subject: interessant! [Fwd: [netaudio] RegierungserklŠrung von MŸller-Maguhn] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [netaudio] RegierungserklŠrung von MŸller-Maguhn Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:08:41 +0100 From: "Christian Harder" Reply-To: netaudio@egroups.com To: http://www.datenreisen.de/Aktuell/Regierungserklaerung.html mŸ§te es sein. Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Originating-IP: [195.3.96.76] From: "Emanuel Rudas" To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: www.derstandard.at Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:06:50 CET X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2000 17:06:50.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FA52660:01C04681] Guten Abend, Herr Bernhard! So, die Story ist online. DŸrfte ihnen gefallen ;-) WŸrden sie mich freundlicherweise auf dem laufenden halten, was das ultimatum an corenic bzw. gerichtsverhandlungen ergeben? ich denke, es wŠre auch in ihrem interesse, falls wir die story fortfŸhren. ich verbleibe mit grŸ§en emanuel rudas From: net_CALLBOY To: "Emanuel Rudas" Subject: Re: www.derstandard.at Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:31:36 +0100 Guten Tag Herr Bernhard ! hi there Mein Name ist Emanuel Rudas, ich schreibe fŸr die Rubrik "WebStandard" von derstandard.at. Ich wŠre ihnen sehr dankbar, wenn sie wenige Minuten opfern kšnnten um mir folgende Fragen bezŸglich "Voteauctions.com" zu beantworten. selbstverstaendlich gerne. eine frage haette ich aber, wieso verwenden sie eine hotmail-adresse? oder bist du eher so ein .at staats-polizei mensch? aber im prinzip egal.. hehehe.. helmut_zilk@hotmail.com, die ist gut! hier meine antworten.. fuer mehr details bitte ich um anruf. Was waren ihr Ziele beim Kauf der Domain ? War es, so wie viele Medien kolportierten, nur reine Satire, oder, wie sie selbst sagten, ein zukunftstrŠchtiges GeschŠft, hinter dem einige Investoren stŸnden ? Wenn ja, welche ? beides, als langjaehrige i-spezialisten [u.a. etoy.com founder und major shareholder] wir flexibel genug um das eine oder das andere zu machen, oder beides zu vermischen, oder auch das eine nach dem anderen oder umgekehrt, klingt jetzt wie ein joke, meine ich aber ernst. die dynamik des netztes laesst zu, dass wir ein kunst-projekt voteauction.com kaufen, es in ein business-modell ueberfuehren wollen, damit ver- bunden, forschung in den bereichen wirtschaft und und internationale gesetzgebungen durchfuehren, es dann wieder zu einem kunst-projekt machen, und dann das ganze entweder verkaufen oder wieder zu einem richtigen busines um-modellieren.. wir sind da flexibel, z.zt. gibt es anfragen aus japan und russland, ueber einen moeglichen verkauf wird z.zt. vorverhandelt. wir behalten uns aber vor das ganze selbst weiter zu betreiben, ob als kunst oder als business kann ich erst nach dem 7. november sagen. Wie schaut die Zukunft des Unternehmens aus ? Werden sie die neuen Domainnamen nutzen ? Da Voteauctions.com derzeit ja nur unter der IP-Adresse erreichbar ist - sehen sie noch Mšglichkeiten, die Wahlen in den USA zu nŸtzen ? natuerlich. wir sind unter diversen adressen und realnames auffindbar: voteauction.at, voteauction.cu [cuba] voteauction.ru, voteauction.enemy.org, alle diese domains werden z.zt. aufgeschalten, der realname votauction bringt uns prominent in alle search- engines und die presse hat mittlerweile in ueber 200 artikeln unsere ip adresse und offizielle adresse: http://62.116.31.68 kommuniziert. das heisst es wird fuer keinen internet-user irgend- ein problem darstellen diese platform zu finden und zutzen! Sind weitere Aktionen von Voteauctions geplant (in anderen LŠndern, usw)? BšrsengŠnge? s.o. Wie stehen sie zur Rechtslage? Welche Schritte werden sie planen, da die USA durch die Abschaltung ihrer Seite allen weltweit Usern verbietet, ihre Seite zu sehen? wir sind ja da! kein problem.. wir haben aber corenic.org, dem meta-registrar neben internic.net, ein klage angedroht, falls sie die domain vote-auction.com nicht bis montag 6.11.2000, 12h wieder aktivieren. corenic.org ist eine dubiose organisation in genf, die fuer die registrierung von domains zustaendig ist. corenic.org hat aufgrund einer email!!! eines amerikanischen lokalen gerichtes [die us- version von wels in oesterreich] unsere domain abgedreht. das problem ist, dass wir einen vertrag mit der firma CLS in duesseldorf hat, diese firma betreibt joker.com, und darueber haben wir vote-auction.com in deutschland registriert. wir werden sofort klage einreichen und schadensersatz- forderungen stellen, sofern corenic.org die domain nicht wieder freigibt. falls sie detailliertere infos dazu wuenschen schicke ich ihnen gerne emails von corenic.org oder gerichtsunterlagen aus den USA. Glauben sie an die Mšglichkeit eines legalen Investors, wie zB im Fall Napster? selbstverstaendlich. selbst wenn wir stimmen verkaufen oder kaufen wuerden, was wir aber nicht tun!, waere das z.b. in deutschland oder oesterreich nicht unter strafe, per gesetz. anders in den USA. aber was soll uns kuemmern, wie das in den USA geregelt ist. wir sehen uns nicht mal auf der vergehensebene in irgendwelcher form rechtlich belangbar. NatŸrlich sind sie eingeladen, eigene Kommentare abseits der Fragen abzugeben. Ihre Antworten werden selbsverstŠndlich unverŠndert widergegeben und nicht aus dem Kontext gerissen. bitte schauen sie sich die web-site http://62.116.31.68/ gut an, bitte publizieren sie diese adressen im artikel: http://62.116.31.68/ und http://voteauction.enemy.org als links. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: mailhans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:35:51 +0100 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: net_CALLBOY Subject: mikro for va-links http://www.mikro.org/Events/20001101.html -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Originating-IP: [195.3.96.76] From: "Emanuel Rudas" To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: www.derstandard.at Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 21:05:51 CET X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2000 20:05:51.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[A18D16E0:01C0469A] www.derstandard.at/web da mŸsste ihnen schnell ein bekanntes logo entgegenspringen...... lg, e rudas From: net_CALLBOY To: "Emanuel Rudas" Subject: Re: www.derstandard.at Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:18:47 +0100 Guten Abend, Herr Bernhard! hi there So, die Story ist online. DŸrfte ihnen gefallen ;-) danke, finde sie leider nicht, bitte link kurz# durchmailen. WŸrden sie mich freundlicherweise auf dem laufenden halten, was das ultimatum an corenic bzw. gerichtsverhandlungen ergeben? ich denke, es wŠre auch in ihrem interesse, falls wir die story fortfŸhren. selbstverstaendlich. sie koennen wie gesagt auch per telephon +43 676 930 00 61 anfragen, um ca. 16h am montag 6.11. sollten wir wissen was sache ist. gruesse hans bernhard ich verbleibe mit grŸ§en emanuel rudas From: net_CALLBOY To: "Emanuel Rudas" Subject: Re: www.derstandard.at Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:31:36 +0100 Guten Tag Herr Bernhard ! hi there Mein Name ist Emanuel Rudas, ich schreibe fŸr die Rubrik "WebStandard" von derstandard.at. Ich wŠre ihnen sehr dankbar, wenn sie wenige Minuten opfern kšnnten um mir folgende Fragen bezŸglich "Voteauctions.com" zu beantworten. selbstverstaendlich gerne. eine frage haette ich aber, wieso verwenden sie eine hotmail-adresse? oder bist du eher so ein .at staats-polizei mensch? aber im prinzip egal.. hehehe.. helmut_zilk@hotmail.com, die ist gut! hier meine antworten.. fuer mehr details bitte ich um anruf. Was waren ihr Ziele beim Kauf der Domain ? War es, so wie viele Medien kolportierten, nur reine Satire, oder, wie sie selbst sagten, ein zukunftstrŠchtiges GeschŠft, hinter dem einige Investoren stŸnden ? Wenn ja, welche ? beides, als langjaehrige i-spezialisten [u.a. etoy.com founder und major shareholder] wir flexibel genug um das eine oder das andere zu machen, oder beides zu vermischen, oder auch das eine nach dem anderen oder umgekehrt, klingt jetzt wie ein joke, meine ich aber ernst. die dynamik des netztes laesst zu, dass wir ein kunst-projekt voteauction.com kaufen, es in ein business-modell ueberfuehren wollen, damit ver- bunden, forschung in den bereichen wirtschaft und und internationale gesetzgebungen durchfuehren, es dann wieder zu einem kunst-projekt machen, und dann das ganze entweder verkaufen oder wieder zu einem richtigen busines um-modellieren.. wir sind da flexibel, z.zt. gibt es anfragen aus japan und russland, ueber einen moeglichen verkauf wird z.zt. vorverhandelt. wir behalten uns aber vor das ganze selbst weiter zu betreiben, ob als kunst oder als business kann ich erst nach dem 7. november sagen. Wie schaut die Zukunft des Unternehmens aus ? Werden sie die neuen Domainnamen nutzen ? Da Voteauctions.com derzeit ja nur unter der IP-Adresse erreichbar ist - sehen sie noch Mšglichkeiten, die Wahlen in den USA zu nŸtzen ? natuerlich. wir sind unter diversen adressen und realnames auffindbar: voteauction.at, voteauction.cu [cuba] voteauction.ru, voteauction.enemy.org, alle diese domains werden z.zt. aufgeschalten, der realname votauction bringt uns prominent in alle search- engines und die presse hat mittlerweile in ueber 200 artikeln unsere ip adresse und offizielle adresse: http://62.116.31.68 kommuniziert. das heisst es wird fuer keinen internet-user irgend- ein problem darstellen diese platform zu finden und zutzen! Sind weitere Aktionen von Voteauctions geplant (in anderen LŠndern, usw)? BšrsengŠnge? s.o. Wie stehen sie zur Rechtslage? Welche Schritte werden sie planen, da die USA durch die Abschaltung ihrer Seite allen weltweit Usern verbietet, ihre Seite zu sehen? wir sind ja da! kein problem.. wir haben aber corenic.org, dem meta-registrar neben internic.net, ein klage angedroht, falls sie die domain vote-auction.com nicht bis montag 6.11.2000, 12h wieder aktivieren. corenic.org ist eine dubiose organisation in genf, die fuer die registrierung von domains zustaendig ist. corenic.org hat aufgrund einer email!!! eines amerikanischen lokalen gerichtes [die us- version von wels in oesterreich] unsere domain abgedreht. das problem ist, dass wir einen vertrag mit der firma CLS in duesseldorf hat, diese firma betreibt joker.com, und darueber haben wir vote-auction.com in deutschland registriert. wir werden sofort klage einreichen und schadensersatz- forderungen stellen, sofern corenic.org die domain nicht wieder freigibt. falls sie detailliertere infos dazu wuenschen schicke ich ihnen gerne emails von corenic.org oder gerichtsunterlagen aus den USA. Glauben sie an die Mšglichkeit eines legalen Investors, wie zB im Fall Napster? selbstverstaendlich. selbst wenn wir stimmen verkaufen oder kaufen wuerden, was wir aber nicht tun!, waere das z.b. in deutschland oder oesterreich nicht unter strafe, per gesetz. anders in den USA. aber was soll uns kuemmern, wie das in den USA geregelt ist. wir sehen uns nicht mal auf der vergehensebene in irgendwelcher form rechtlich belangbar. NatŸrlich sind sie eingeladen, eigene Kommentare abseits der Fragen abzugeben. Ihre Antworten werden selbsverstŠndlich unverŠndert widergegeben und nicht aus dem Kontext gerissen. bitte schauen sie sich die web-site http://62.116.31.68/ gut an, bitte publizieren sie diese adressen im artikel: http://62.116.31.68/ und http://voteauction.enemy.org als links. Da wir den Hergang des Falles nur aus Meldungen anderer Medien kennen, wŠre es von ihrer Seite auch sehr entgegenkommend, wenn sie diese aus ihrer Sicht erzŠhlen wŸrden. fuer details, stories, etc.. rufen sie mich bitte an, ist einfacher und dynamischer. +43 676 930 00 61 hans bernhard http://www.ubermorgen.com Ich danke ihnen fŸr die Kooperation und verbleibe mit GrŸ§en Emanuel Rudas Webstandard _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:30:59 +0100 To: one@hell.com From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: Re: TRAFFIC from HELL Cc: admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com have "ray" contact me and we'll repoint HELL.COM thru the election good for about 5000 humans /day supercool. thats really some action there. this is also being forwared to ray. ray, pls contact kenneth! best lizvlx -- kenneth aronson one@HELL.COM 310.450.8069 txt to phone /urgent messages cell@HELL.COM http://final.org http://HELL.COM http://no-such.com 77 market street venice, california 90291 usa -- . . 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:04:09 +0100 To: From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: Re: www.thecluephone.com Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com thanks a lot! we will do some updates on the site tonite and include a page listing all the ways to reach voteuauction. you can use the logo and everything the way you want to, we dont claim copyrights on anything, we consider voteauction to be in the public domain. best lizvlx I have pointed a domain I am not yet activly using for websites (www.thecluephone.com) at 62.116.31.68. I hope this helps. ____________________________________________________________________________ kermit@perkigoth.com http://www.perkigoth.com/ Perkigoth Streaming Music http://www.perkigoth.com/music/ Ain't Dead Yet! http://www.perkigoth.com/aintdeadyet/ ____________________________________________________________________________ -- . . 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Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com thanks a lot! we will do some updates on the site tonite and include a page listing all the ways to reach voteuauction. you can use the logo and everything the way you want to, we dont claim copyrights on anything, we consider voteauction to be in the public domain. best lizvlx http://voteauction.aporee.org/ http://vote-auction.aporee.org/ bye, uno -- /me: core media exp http://king.dom.de/ -- . . 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:08:20 +0100 To: Peter Krapp From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: Re: pop-up Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com thanks a lot realllly appppreciate it! very kewl. will include it in our update-page "how to get to votauction" best lizvlx ps: regaring cnn - yeah, it was really the point to go superbusiness with cnn, coz thats what their audience is mostly. and, they are anyway still going after james, even though he is giving the freespeech-its_a_fake-talk all the time. so appearantly, it really makes no difference... rtmark, this is no redirect, but a pop-up on a site that has more than 1500 hits per day - and to date no popups ever - and the pop- up window will lead people to http://62.116.31.68. You may add http://www.hydra.umn.edu to your list of supporters (as well as http://www.krapp.org and the much less popular dir http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~hydra/). please keep me posted. I should add that I saw the CNN show and am suspicious about the legal situation; however, it did not help that new domain owner Hans Bernhard refused to say whether this was indeed a serious enterprise for profit, or whether it was a parody. He never referred to free speech. Doing so might have defused the situation somewhat that day. I guess that was not the goal... Yours as usual, PK / agent othmar / DJ Vu -- . . 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