Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:28:02 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction page hi hans! http://rtmark.com/voteauction.html it's really primitive right now, will develop it later... take care ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:09:57 +0100 (MET) From: SILVER SERVER o2 X-Sender: oskar@ikarus To: net_CALLBOY cc: "Chris J. Mutter" , liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Internic hallo, nach ruecksprache mit cjm@sil.at ist die domain vote-auction.com heute in der frueh, von internic gesperrt worden. CORE INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS kann da nix machen. Korrekt ist die vorgansweise von Internic sicher nicht. wir koennten auch eine subdoamin einrichten. voteauction.enemy.org cjm, was meinst du? cjm, das bringt sicher ur viel hits :) und wieder geile publicity, vorallem sollte man das Mirco$oft noch ins spiel bringt. cu o.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:21:53 +0100 (MET) From: SILVER SERVER o2 X-Sender: oskar@ikarus cc: net_CALLBOY , "Chris J. Mutter" , liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction.cu KUBA ruleZ werde versuchen, voteauction.cu zu registieren. und voteauction.at finde beides top. o.k? .at drehen sie uns sicher net so easy ab. SILVER SERVER ist grosskunde bei NIC.AT cu o. > >hallo, > >nach ruecksprache mit cjm@sil.at ist die domain vote-auction.com heute in der frueh, von internic gesperrt worden. > >CORE INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS kann da nix machen. >Korrekt ist die vorgansweise von Internic sicher nicht. > >wir koennten auch eine subdoamin einrichten. > >voteauction.enemy.org > >cjm, was meinst du? > >cjm, das bringt sicher ur viel hits :) >und wieder geile publicity, vorallem >sollte man das Mirco$oft noch >ins spiel bringt. > >cu o. > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:25:41 +0100 (MET) From: SILVER SERVER o2 X-Sender: oskar@ikarus To: lizvlx cc: net_CALLBOY , "Chris J. Mutter" Subject: Re: Internic > >ich habe vote-auction.net und ~~~ >vote-auction.org registriert und ~~~ >die nameservices schon auf sil eingerichtet. koennen sie dir wieder easy nuken. .cu und .at nicht. mit .at haben beste PR in .at und .cu ist fuer den int. kontext geil. damit kaperien die amis eventuell freuher dass ihnen das netz nicht gehoert. cu o. >das fuers eine. > >bzgl subdomains haben wir ja schon gesprochen, wuerd ich cool finden, wenn es >voteauction.enemy.org bzw. >vote-auction.enemy.org >geben wuerde. > >und, es waer cool wenn ihr auch die >beiden neuen domains in euere >nameserver eintragen wuerdet. > >liz - der krieg geht weiter hahaha > > >On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, SILVER SERVER o2 wrote: > >> >>hallo, >> >>nach ruecksprache mit cjm@sil.at ist die domain vote-auction.com heute in der frueh, von internic gesperrt worden. >> >>CORE INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS kann da nix machen. >>Korrekt ist die vorgansweise von Internic sicher nicht. >> >>wir koennten auch eine subdoamin einrichten. >> >>voteauction.enemy.org >> >>cjm, was meinst du? >> >>cjm, das bringt sicher ur viel hits :) und wieder geile publicity, vorallem >>sollte man das Mirco$oft noch >>ins spiel bringt. >> >>cu o. >> >> Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:26:27 +0100 (CET) From: lizvlx To: SILVER SERVER o2 cc: net_CALLBOY , "Chris J. Mutter" Subject: Re: Internic ja, is mir klar, dass sie die beiden anderen wieder nuken werden, genau dafuer hab ich sie gekauft, damit sie wieder illegale wege beschreiten...heehe .at und .cu ----super, unbedingt, .at waer ein ein logischer schritt, und .cu waer dann wirklich der passende gegenschlag zum imperialistischen internic... registrierst du .at? best liz ps: thanks alot for co-work, very kewl! On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, SILVER SERVER o2 wrote: >> >>ich habe vote-auction.net und > ~~~ >>vote-auction.org registriert und > ~~~ >>die nameservices schon auf sil eingerichtet. > >koennen sie dir wieder easy nuken. > >.cu und .at nicht. > >mit .at haben beste PR in .at und .cu >ist fuer den int. kontext geil. > >damit kaperien die amis eventuell freuher dass ihnen das netz nicht gehoert. > >cu o. > >>das fuers eine. >> >>bzgl subdomains haben wir ja schon gesprochen, wuerd ich cool finden, wenn es >>voteauction.enemy.org bzw. >>vote-auction.enemy.org >>geben wuerde. >> >>und, es waer cool wenn ihr auch die >>beiden neuen domains in euere >>nameserver eintragen wuerdet. >> >>liz - der krieg geht weiter hahaha >> >> >>On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, SILVER SERVER o2 wrote: >> >>> >>>hallo, >>> >>>nach ruecksprache mit cjm@sil.at ist die domain vote-auction.com heute in der frueh, von internic gesperrt worden. >>> >>>CORE INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS kann da nix machen. >>>Korrekt ist die vorgansweise von Internic sicher nicht. >>> >>>wir koennten auch eine subdoamin einrichten. >>> >>>voteauction.enemy.org >>> >>>cjm, was meinst du? >>> >>>cjm, das bringt sicher ur viel hits :) und wieder geile publicity, vorallem >>>sollte man das Mirco$oft noch >>>ins spiel bringt. >>> >>>cu o. >>> >>> >> > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:19:54 +0100 To: admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com From: net_CALLBOY Subject: for rtmark-mliste:: Vote-auction falls victim to ILLEGAL DNS-SHUTDOWN [PRESS RELEASE] dear ray dear frank attached our press.release. please put it out over your press/community, main-mailingst, it would be very important in order to involve the community. and spin it in direction freespeech without having to admitt anything... the political dynamite is in the shutdown of DNS by internic without jurisdiction and the ICANN component. hans -- subject: Vote-auction falls victim to ILLEGAL DNS-SHUTDOWN [PRESS RELEASE] -- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction falls victim to ILLEGAL DNS-SHUTDOWN -------------------------------------------------------- Vienna/Berlin, November 2nd, 2000, 7 am CET Below you find the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: http://62.116.31.68 http://www.voteauction.at http://www.voteauction.de [formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. You can also find this press release at http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines: berlin +49-175-2066954 vienna +43 676 9300061 ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Vote-auction falls victim to ILLEGAL DNS-SHUTDOWN [V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], falls again victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. Yesterday, 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. We, and neither our providers have received any notification about this action at all, nor have we been informed of any legal documents which would allow for such a step. Up to this moment, InterNIC is declining comment on the issue. [V] Why was the domain shut down in this way? Our first domain, voteauction.com, was registered with a dns-registry located in the U.S. Our "late" domain, vote-auction.com, however, was registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, appearantly, some-one in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC, ignoring inter- national law. [V] What will happen to [V]ote-auction now? Our lawyers are currently investigating, as you might imagine. Furthermore, we have discussed the issue with newly-elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn, who commented the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". A colleague of his called it "it is absolutely clear that this is plain outrageous". On a more practical level, we are reachable via our IP - our new url is: http://62.116.31.68 Using the IP address will finally give us full protection against any further actions against our site, as IP addresses are not dependant on domain name services. Luckily, this DNS-SHUTDOWN was not intelligentely timed. Due to our "opponents'" lazy tactics, Vote-auction.com will now definitely be online and reachable to the public on Election Day via several domains and under the IP-Address controlled by a European institution: ripe.net. On a funny note, one could say that now they either have to shut down the whole Internet or arrest the whole US- population, OR, which is more likely, our site will stay functional and online. [V] [V]ote-auction is BACK UNDER Thanks to the incredible work of our dear provider SILVER SERVER [www.sil.at], we were able to get back online fast and are now reachable at: http://62.116.31.68 This is the safest address currently available. Vote-auction can also be reached under: http://voteauction.enemy.org Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to: http://62.116.31.68 From November, 2nd, the following domains shall be active: http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [germany, thx to think-factory.de] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net http://www.vote-auction.org Vote-auction is currently spreading the message via international and national media, via newsgroups, mailinglists, search engines and other forms of direct and mass media. Anybody worldwide will easily find Vote-auction! [V] Vote-auction.com ADDS NEW FEATURES Now to some really good news! Vote-auction, still the "Leader of the Election Industry", and the first mover in this field, has added various new Features: [] Updated figures, automated processes Our new software has allowed us to verify the numbers which have been in the system so far. We have cleared out all double and fake entries and can now provide you with live, real-time rendered data: http://62.116.31.68/check.php3 *current no. of sellers: 56.789 [] International polls In order to showcase the US-presidential election even better, Vote-auction has released several polls for national and international audiences. Vote-auction intends to involve a worldwide audience by polling their preferences on "Gore-Bush-Nader", a community poll will raise the Question whether Vote-auction.com should be considered "legal or Illegal", and the most important question of all - "Would you rather go voting if you received money for it?". Find the polls at: http://62.116.31.68/index00.htm [] 1-CLICK-BIDDING function In order to use our bidding section we have implemented a 1-click-bidding function with user-verification. This will help ensuring the authenticity of the bidders and will secure the bidders' offer. Find the bid-check section: http://62.116.31.68/check.php3 [] ALL NEW MESSAGE-BOARD, heavily crowded Created to stimulate public reaction from the U.S., but also the international audiences, you will now find our message board crowded and full with interesting and controversial discussions: http://62.116.31.68/forum/ [] Extended PRESS-ARCHIVE, over 200 internat. news-segments Due to the massive response in the media, we have updated our press-section providing you with broad information on how Vote-auction is featured and discussed in the press. Well over 200 e-press-clippings have been discovered by our PR-department: http://62.116.31.68/news.htm [V] Final note We want to end this press release with a quote from chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones, who seems to have a somewhat "personal" view on free speech: "whether this is a parody [...] that this man is running, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California. [...] because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram Appearantely, there are other individuals and/or authorities. Who share his viewpoint - we have just received notice of further lawsuits filed in the states of Wisconsin and Missouri by their respective Attorney Generals. For the Vote-auction team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction PR PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@[62.116.31.68] http://62.116.31.68 http://www.voteauction.at We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of the old addresses. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction [] [] [] [] pr@[62.116.31.68] [] [] [] [] The Election Industry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [] _brought to you by ubermorgen.com [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:02:38 +0100 (MET) From: Oskar Obereder X-Sender: oskar@ikarus To: hans_extreme Subject: Re: Please read (fwd) hallo hans, thomas weber Format moechte in paar seiten vom chicago paper gefaxt haben. soll ich das machen? cu o. SILVER SERVER \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\ \\ o@sil.at www.sil.at -- PGP-Key-ID: 0x82EE53EC OO14-RIPE,SIL-MNT keep your backbone tidyDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:04:26 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: hans_extreme cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: voteauction page ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in line with rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works out, because this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extreme wrote: > >hi ray > >kewl site .. >although it now should link to : http://62.116.31.68 > >and to http://www.voteauction.at and http://www.voteauction.cu --cuba! hehehe.. > >+ prss.releas coming out.. will send it to you and ask you if you could distribute >it via your big-mliste. we need the community to know about it! have started to talk to aclu.org, eff, etc.. > >have two more law suits filed by general attorneys from wisconsin and missouri. > >they shut down vote-auction.com directly with internic. ICANN andy mueller-maghon says they should do something, liz met >him y-day night and talked with him about it. > >ok, please let me know if you could >distribute the release via your list. > > >hans > > > >On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: > >>hi hans! >> >>http://rtmark.com/voteauction.html >> >>it's really primitive right now, will develop it later... >> >>take care >>ray >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >> Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:52:54 +0100 (MET) From: SILVER SERVER o2 X-Sender: oskar@ikarus To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: uber/vote/sil hoi, >hi o > >die sache spitzt sich politisch zu. >community meldet sich langsam, support.. ich meld mich mal per email wieder.. toppo. >juristisch unklar wisconsin und missiouri, unsere anwaeltin in berlin ist das am >pruefen, wobei auch die beiden >anderen lawsuits zivilrechtlich sind, >von dem her gesehen bedrohungslevel >niedrig, zudem explizit sil/vbs und cls als provider die abdrehen sollen genannt, naja, wir cjm/ich wissen offifiell nix wisconsin und missiouri. wenn das die pakete waren die heute zugestellt worden waere, die gehen wieder retour, haben wir nicht angenommen. >wenn dir das ganze rechtlich zuviel wird koennen wir beginnen mirrors zu installen und alternativen aufzubauen, muesste einfach schnell gehen.. let me know. euer support ist schon sehr weit gegangen! und wir schaetzen es extrem, respektive wir koennten schlichtweg nicht machen was grad machen ohne das! ist o.k; macht spass. wir hosten "alles"; und immer, und lassen uns die suppe schon gar nicht von irgendwelchen wild gewordenen Amis Wimps versalzen. >wir beginnen das ganze jetzt [s. press-release] verstaerkt in richtung free speech zu >argumentieren, ohne fake oder sonstige >media hack arguemente!, zudem argumentieren wir das ganze als forschung im wirtschafts- bereich.. und mit der neuen software und der upgedateten web-site wird das ganze >immer offensichtlicher zu einer satire und forschung... o.k >wegen juristen, koennten wir jetzt noch den kontakt zu theiss und partner machen? ich moechte jetzt die fuehler in jede >richtung ausstrecken um schneller re- >agieren zu koennen. bitte lass mich wissen ob du ihnen anrufst oder ob ich, und wenn ja wen anrufen soll. ich mail WTP an, cc: -> ubermorgen >haben auch konktakt mit EFF und ACLU.org, sobald ich anwaelte habe in den USA werd ich checken das sie dich und chris auch >vertreten koennen oder uns direkt jemanden vermitteln. das dauert leider einfach lang. o.k; >pilz hab ich message hinterlassen, wird mich morgen rueckrufen. > >ich geb dir hier auch mal unsere ubermorgen konto-nummer, wie gesagt, wenn du uns was in die "kriegskasse" geben willst, sehr >gerne, sowohl fuer CO-LO arbeit wie auch fuer vote-auction. wir wissen den mentalen, technischen und hosting support sehr zu >schaetzen und sehen das auch unter unserer barter-deal vereinbarung. falls du trotzdem was tust in finanzieller hinsicht.. super cool.. dann sag mir einfach was fuer eine rechnung du brauchst [betrag, topic, adresse, etc..] und ich schick sie dir asap. > >haas & bernhard oeg >kurrentgasse 10/22 >a-1010 wien > >easybank AG >blz 14200 >konto: 20010702705 > >UID ATU 48364201 ich schau mal was jens rausrueckt. RE brauchen wir irngendwann einmal. >ich ruf dich dann heute spaeter nochmal an, liebe gruesse onko; leta cu o. >hans > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:25:28 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: voteauction page and press.release hans-- the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to palo alto for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there by the way).... the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send it out from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one thought (but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the rtmark project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's basically fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting pulled as a violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to make any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political intentions of the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to do that now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... xoxoxox r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >--- >confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >--- > >hi ray >hi frank >cc: liz > >shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. > >next week is a bit too late.. its now >become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. > >rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? > >ok, let me know.. if you can not resend it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? > >i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >important ones. > >and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... > >we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. > >now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >investigating.. that just for y/info.. > >let know asap how you decide.. pleeese > >thx >hans > >ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! > > >On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: > >>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >> >>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in line with rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works out, because this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extreme wrote: >> >>> >>>hi ray > > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . > >. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:01:20 -0500 To: hans_extrem From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: voteauction page and press.release Cc: admin@rtmark.com hey hans- did you find keys okay? sorry i have been incommunicado, got sick, too exhausted from the outrageousness of last week- i am rtmark-ifying the release to fit our market sector, ray is extremely crazy today with various odd appointments/jetlag/etc, but he should be able to release it tonight or somthing (dont count on it, but i think it can go out then...) hope all is well, looks fantastic to me! frank >hi ray >jap tv, great!.. hehehe.. > >understand, please let me know if you will send out something today/tomorrow, otherwise we wait and see what the situation is when you have some air/space again.... > >from my point of view it would be important to send some release through RTMark. > >greetz >hans > >ps: thx for the barcelona salami and the videotape!; i didnt really believe that >yourreally pied yourself in salzburg >until i read y/note,, heheheh.. goood! >stuff... > > > >On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: > >>hans-- >> >>the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to palo alto for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there by the way).... >> >>the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send it out from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... >> >>also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one thought (but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the rtmark project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's basically fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting pulled as a violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to make >>any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political intentions of the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to do that now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? >> >>i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... >> >>xoxoxox >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>--- >>>confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >>>--- >>> >>>hi ray >>>hi frank >>>cc: liz >>> >>>shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. >>> >>>next week is a bit too late.. its now become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. >>> >>>rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? >>> >>>ok, let me know.. if you can not resend it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? >>> >>>i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >>>important ones. >>> >>>and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... >>> >>>we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >>>research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. >>> >>>now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >>>involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >>>investigating.. that just for y/info.. >>> >>>let know asap how you decide.. pleeese >>> >>>thx >>>hans >>> >>>ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! >>> >>> >>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>> >>>>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >>>> >>>>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in line with rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works out, because this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extreme wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>hi ray >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>> >>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >> Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:45:56 -0500 To: net_CALLBOY , frank guerrero From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: voteauction page and press.release Cc: admin@rtmark.com this is our draft, ray will work his magic on it and approve in case my mind has failed me and it really doesnt make sense (thats been known to happen), and we still need to discuss the "reward" aspect of it, but i figure it gives an additional raison d'etre for the rtmark release- check it out, if there are any problems let me know- frank ps: I am sure james is doing great! glad you got keys well, and thanks, doing better myself FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Voteauction.com Illegally Shut Down by InterNIC RTMark offers cash reward to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major political candidate's website to vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) -------------------------------------------------------- [V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site.Ê This marks the second time voteauction has been shut down illegally. The first time, the domain voteauction.com was registered and shut down by a dns registry located in the U.S. after receiving threats from the California Secretary of State. The owners of the site re-opened the site as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". Vote-auction.com in still reachable via their IP address - their new url is: http://62.116.31.68 Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependant on domain name services. How and why is RTMark Involved? RTMark helped sponsor the first version of Voteauction.com, listed at www.rtmark.com as project VOTE (http://rtmark.com/featured.html). RTMark provided logistical support and assisted with the transfer of the site to ubermorgan.com when original owner James Baumgartner was forced to abandon ship after receiving legal threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Baumgartner is still being pursued in the lawsuit filed by the Chicago Board of Elections, even though he has clearly stated that the site is political satire. Authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated "whether this is a parody... that this man is running, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) Vote-auction.com is a satire that must be protected as free speech. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the process by which corporate money influences the elections, not by outlawing a satire that highlights the problems. In the 1976 Buckley vs. Valejo decision, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations can engage in unlimited spending in the interest of electing candidates sympathetic to their interests. This hastened the evolution of the modern "soft-money" system (which in some regards filled the shoes of the older political machines in cities like Chicago, that used more straightforward strong-arm tactics to ensure that their candidates won.) If the Chicago Board of Elections wants to prove that Chicago has overcome its history as ground zero of old-school election corruption, they will stop wasting time with voteauction.com and start attacking the soft money system. What can you do now? RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give a $200 reward to the first worker at any media outlet covering the elections to re-route their dns to the voteauction address. Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to:Ê http://62.116.31.68. If you have a domain you would like to point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the info to pr@[62.116.31.68]. >From November 2nd, the following domains shall be active: http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net http://www.vote-auction.org For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Duong: cliff@rtmark.com Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm http://62.116.31.68 http://www.voteauction.at http://www.voteauction.de [V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] ------------------------------------------------------- At 11:45 PM +0100 11/3/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>hey hans- >> >>did you find keys okay? sorry i have been incommunicado, got sick, too exhausted from the outrageousness of last week- > >no pro man.. was very busy too.. i was sick for over 2 weeks about a month ago.. very bad! hope you are well now > >>i am rtmark-ifying the release to fit our market sector, ray is extremely crazy today with various odd appointments/jetlag/etc, but he should be able to release it tonight or somthing (dont count on it, but i think it can go out then.. > >kewl.. send me a copy... its totally important that RTMark informs the community how to reach voteauction, but more about the free speech aspect and the scientific research we are doing in the fields of economics and international law. > >>hope all is well, looks fantastic to me! > >we are doing fine! legal pressure looks bigger than it is.. ACLU has started to >intervene.. we will probably sue corenic.org for turning us off illegally, > >we are not doing illegal stuff, so we dont have to be scared. we are more laughing.. i get 10 KG of legal documents everyday, our assistant goes to the post office >and is coming back exhausted.. maybe soon i will do an art exhibition again, although i said i would never ever do that again.. but with these documents you can fill >rooms man! great.. > >and its all bullshit! selling votes, buying votes.. we dont even store the data, man! hehehe.. > >hope james is doing ok... > >greetz > >hans > >>frank >> >> >>>hi ray >>>jap tv, great!.. hehehe.. >>> >>>understand, please let me know if you will send out something today/tomorrow, otherwise we wait and see what the situation is when you have some air/space again.... >>> >>>from my point of view it would be important to send some release through RTMark. >>> >>>greetz >>>hans >>> >>>ps: thx for the barcelona salami and the videotape!; i didnt really believe that >>>yourreally pied yourself in salzburg >>>until i read y/note,, heheheh.. goood! stuff... >>> >>> >>> >>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>> >>>>hans-- >>>> >>>>the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to palo alto for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there by the way).... >>>> >>>>the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send it out from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... >>>> >>>>also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one thought (but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the rtmark project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's basically fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting pulled as a violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to make >>>>any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political intentions of the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to do that now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? >>>> >>>>i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... >>>> >>>>xoxoxox >>>>r >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>> >>>>>--- >>>>>confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >>>>>--- >>>>> >>>>>hi ray >>>>>hi frank >>>>>cc: liz >>>>> >>>>>shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. >>>>> >>>>>next week is a bit too late.. its now become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. >>>>> >>>>>rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? >>>>> >>>>>ok, let me know.. if you can not resend it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? >>>>> >>>>>i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >>>>>important ones. >>>>> >>>>>and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... >>>>> >>>>>we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >>>>>research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. >>>>> >>>>>now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >>>>>involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >>>>>investigating.. that just for y/info.. >>>>> >>>>>let know asap how you decide.. pleeese >>>>> >>>>>thx >>>>>hans >>>>> >>>>>ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >>>>>> >>>>>>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in line with rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works >>>>out, because >>>>>>this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? >>>>>> >>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extreme wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hi ray >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>> >>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>>>> >>>>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>> >>>>>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>> >>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . >>>>>. .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . > >. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: voteauction page and press.release ok, my brain has just failed again, i will take a look at this after a three-hour nap, ok? i don't know why i'm so tired. i just called stocker a nazi. no, no i didn't, but i asked him publicly why ars never mentions the hitler connection and why all the art it mentions in its publicity videos is totally totally uncritical. thought there might be a connection.... oh well. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >this is our draft, ray will work his magic on it and approve in case my mind has failed me and it really doesnt make sense (thats been known to happen), and we still need to discuss the "reward" aspect of it, but i figure it gives an additional raison d'etre for the rtmark release- check it out, if there are any problems let me know- > >frank > >ps: I am sure james is doing great! glad you got keys well, and thanks, doing better myself > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >Voteauction.com Illegally Shut Down by InterNIC > >RTMark offers cash reward to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major political candidate's website to vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) > >-------------------------------------------------------- > >[V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. > >On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site. > >This marks the second time voteauction has been shut down illegally. The first time, the domain voteauction.com was registered and shut down by a dns registry located in the U.S. after receiving threats from the California Secretary of State. The owners of the site re-opened the site as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". > >Vote-auction.com in still reachable via their IP address - their new url is: http://62.116.31.68 Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependant on domain name services. > >How and why is RTMark Involved? > >RTMark helped sponsor the first version of Voteauction.com, listed at www.rtmark.com as project VOTE (http://rtmark.com/featured.html). RTMark provided logistical support and assisted with the transfer of the site to ubermorgan.com when original owner James Baumgartner was forced to abandon ship after receiving legal threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Baumgartner is still being pursued in the lawsuit filed by the Chicago Board of Elections, even though he has clearly stated that the site is political satire. > >Authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated "whether this is a parody... that this man is running, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) > >Vote-auction.com is a satire that must be protected as free speech. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the process by which corporate money influences the elections, not by outlawing a satire that highlights the problems. In the 1976 Buckley vs. Valejo decision, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations can engage in unlimited spending in the interest of electing candidates sympathetic to their interests. This hastened the evolution of the modern "soft-money" system (which in some regards filled the shoes of the older political machines in cities like Chicago, that used more straightforward strong-arm tactics to ensure that their candidates won.) If the Chicago Board of Elections wants to prove that Chicago has overcome its history as ground zero of old-school election corruption, they will stop wasting time with voteauction.com and start attacking the soft money system. > >What can you do now? > >RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give a $200 reward to the first worker at any media outlet covering the elections to re-route their dns to the voteauction address. > >Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to: http://62.116.31.68. If you have a domain you would like to point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the info to pr@[62.116.31.68]. > >>From November 2nd, the following domains shall be active: >http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >http://www.vote-auction.org > >For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Duong: cliff@rtmark.com >Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com > > >You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >http://62.116.31.68 >http://www.voteauction.at >http://www.voteauction.de >[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] > >------------------------------------------------------- > > >At 11:45 PM +0100 11/3/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>hey hans- >>> >>>did you find keys okay? sorry i have been incommunicado, got sick, too exhausted from the outrageousness of last week- >> >>no pro man.. was very busy too.. i was sick for over 2 weeks about a month ago.. very bad! hope you are well now >> >>>i am rtmark-ifying the release to fit our market sector, ray is extremely crazy today with various odd appointments/jetlag/etc, but he should be able to release it tonight or somthing (dont count on it, but i think it can go out then.. >> >>kewl.. send me a copy... its totally important that RTMark informs the community how to reach voteauction, but more about the free speech aspect and the scientific research we are doing in the fields of economics and international law. >> >>>hope all is well, looks fantastic to me! >> >>we are doing fine! legal pressure looks bigger than it is.. ACLU has started to >>intervene.. we will probably sue corenic.org for turning us off illegally, >> >>we are not doing illegal stuff, so we dont have to be scared. we are more laughing.. i get 10 KG of legal documents everyday, our assistant goes to the post office >>and is coming back exhausted.. maybe soon i will do an art exhibition again, although i said i would never ever do that again.. but with these documents you can fill >>rooms man! great.. >> >>and its all bullshit! selling votes, buying votes.. we dont even store the data, man! hehehe.. >> >>hope james is doing ok... >> >>greetz >> >>hans >> >>>frank >>> >>> >>>>hi ray >>>>jap tv, great!.. hehehe.. >>>> >>>>understand, please let me know if you will send out something today/tomorrow, otherwise we wait and see what the situation is when you have some air/space again.... >>>> >>>>from my point of view it would be important to send some release through RTMark. >>>> >>>>greetz >>>>hans >>>> >>>>ps: thx for the barcelona salami and the videotape!; i didnt really believe that >>>>yourreally pied yourself in salzburg until i read y/note,, heheheh.. goood! >>>>stuff... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>> >>>>>hans-- >>>>> >>>>>the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to palo alto for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there by the way).... >>>>> >>>>>the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send it out from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just >>>>>really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... >>>>> >>>>>also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one thought (but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half >>>>>good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can >>>>>be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the rtmark project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's basically fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting pulled as a violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to make >>>>>any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political intentions of the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to do that now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? >>>>> >>>>>i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... >>>>> >>>>>xoxoxox >>>>>r >>>>> >>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>> >>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>>confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >>>>>>--- >>>>>> >>>>>>hi ray >>>>>>hi frank >>>>>>cc: liz >>>>>> >>>>>>shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. >>>>>> >>>>>>next week is a bit too late.. its now become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. >>>>>> >>>>>>rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>ok, let me know.. if you can not resend it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? >>>>>> >>>>>>i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >>>>>>important ones. >>>>>> >>>>>>and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... >>>>>> >>>>>>we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >>>>>>research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. >>>>>> >>>>>>now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >>>>>>involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >>>>>>investigating.. that just for y/info.. >>>>>> >>>>>>let know asap how you decide.. pleeese >>>>>> >>>>>>thx >>>>>>hans >>>>>> >>>>>>ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in >>>>>line with >>>>>>>rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works >>>>>out, because >>>>>>>this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extreme wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>hi ray >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>> >>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . >>>>>>. .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>-- >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >> >>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:42:03 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: voteauction page and press.release ok, immediate thought upon looking: seems to me the satire aspect, the fact that it's strictly a satire, should be in the first paragraph--just make it seem like it's always been a satire, like this was always totally obvious, and like the bill jones office and so on are clearly and purposely stomping on art. can quote the CNN transcript for bill jones saying "it doesn't matter whether it's a parody" (something like that). this is egregious.... make it seem like this is a simple case of censorship and an attack on free speech. yes? no? http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >this is our draft, ray will work his magic on it and approve in case my mind has failed me and it really doesnt make sense (thats been known to happen), and we still need to discuss the "reward" aspect of it, but i figure it gives an additional raison d'etre for the rtmark release- check it out, if there are any problems let me know- > >frank > >ps: I am sure james is doing great! glad you got keys well, and thanks, doing better myself > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >Voteauction.com Illegally Shut Down by InterNIC > >RTMark offers cash reward to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major political candidate's website to vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) > >-------------------------------------------------------- > >[V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. > >On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site. > >This marks the second time voteauction has been shut down illegally. The first time, the domain voteauction.com was registered and shut down by a dns registry located in the U.S. after receiving threats from the California Secretary of State. The owners of the site re-opened the site as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". > >Vote-auction.com in still reachable via their IP address - their new url is: http://62.116.31.68 Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependant on domain name services. > >How and why is RTMark Involved? > >RTMark helped sponsor the first version of Voteauction.com, listed at www.rtmark.com as project VOTE (http://rtmark.com/featured.html). RTMark provided logistical support and assisted with the transfer of the site to ubermorgan.com when original owner James Baumgartner was forced to abandon ship after receiving legal threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Baumgartner is still being pursued in the lawsuit filed by the Chicago Board of Elections, even though he has clearly stated that the site is political satire. > >Authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated "whether this is a parody... that this man is running, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) > >Vote-auction.com is a satire that must be protected as free speech. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the process by which corporate money influences the elections, not by outlawing a satire that highlights the problems. In the 1976 Buckley vs. Valejo decision, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations can engage in unlimited spending in the interest of electing candidates sympathetic to their interests. This hastened the evolution of the modern "soft-money" system (which in some regards filled the shoes of the older political machines in cities like Chicago, that used more straightforward strong-arm tactics to ensure that their candidates won.) If the Chicago Board of Elections wants to prove that Chicago has overcome its history as ground zero of old-school election corruption, they will stop wasting time with voteauction.com and start attacking the soft money system. > >What can you do now? > >RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give a $200 reward to the first worker at any media outlet covering the elections to re-route their dns to the voteauction address. > >Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to: http://62.116.31.68. If you have a domain you would like to point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the info to pr@[62.116.31.68]. > >>From November 2nd, the following domains shall be active: >http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >http://www.vote-auction.org > >For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Duong: cliff@rtmark.com >Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com > > >You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >http://62.116.31.68 >http://www.voteauction.at >http://www.voteauction.de >[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] > >------------------------------------------------------- > > >At 11:45 PM +0100 11/3/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>hey hans- >>> >>>did you find keys okay? sorry i have been incommunicado, got sick, too exhausted from the outrageousness of last week- >> >>no pro man.. was very busy too.. i was sick for over 2 weeks about a month ago.. very bad! hope you are well now >> >>>i am rtmark-ifying the release to fit our market sector, ray is extremely crazy today with various odd appointments/jetlag/etc, but he should be able to release it tonight or somthing (dont count on it, but i think it can go out then.. >> >>kewl.. send me a copy... its totally important that RTMark informs the community how to reach voteauction, but more about the free speech aspect and the scientific research we are doing in the fields of economics and international law. >> >>>hope all is well, looks fantastic to me! >> >>we are doing fine! legal pressure looks bigger than it is.. ACLU has started to >>intervene.. we will probably sue corenic.org for turning us off illegally, >> >>we are not doing illegal stuff, so we dont have to be scared. we are more laughing.. i get 10 KG of legal documents everyday, our assistant goes to the post office >>and is coming back exhausted.. maybe soon i will do an art exhibition again, although i said i would never ever do that again.. but with these documents you can fill >>rooms man! great.. >> >>and its all bullshit! selling votes, buying votes.. we dont even store the data, man! hehehe.. >> >>hope james is doing ok... >> >>greetz >> >>hans >> >>>frank >>> >>> >>>>hi ray >>>>jap tv, great!.. hehehe.. >>>> >>>>understand, please let me know if you will send out something today/tomorrow, otherwise we wait and see what the situation is when you have some air/space again.... >>>> >>>>from my point of view it would be important to send some release through RTMark. >>>> >>>>greetz >>>>hans >>>> >>>>ps: thx for the barcelona salami and the videotape!; i didnt really believe that >>>>yourreally pied yourself in salzburg until i read y/note,, heheheh.. goood! >>>>stuff... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>> >>>>>hans-- >>>>> >>>>>the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to palo alto for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there by the way).... >>>>> >>>>>the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send it out from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just >>>>>really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... >>>>> >>>>>also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one thought (but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half >>>>>good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can >>>>>be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the rtmark project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's basically fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting pulled as a violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to make >>>>>any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political intentions of the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to do that now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? >>>>> >>>>>i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... >>>>> >>>>>xoxoxox >>>>>r >>>>> >>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>> >>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>>confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >>>>>>--- >>>>>> >>>>>>hi ray >>>>>>hi frank >>>>>>cc: liz >>>>>> >>>>>>shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. >>>>>> >>>>>>next week is a bit too late.. its now become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. >>>>>> >>>>>>rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>ok, let me know.. if you can not resend it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? >>>>>> >>>>>>i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >>>>>>important ones. >>>>>> >>>>>>and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... >>>>>> >>>>>>we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >>>>>>research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. >>>>>> >>>>>>now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >>>>>>involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >>>>>>investigating.. that just for y/info.. >>>>>> >>>>>>let know asap how you decide.. pleeese >>>>>> >>>>>>thx >>>>>>hans >>>>>> >>>>>>ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in >>>>>line with >>>>>>>rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works >>>>>out, because >>>>>>>this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extreme wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>hi ray >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>> >>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . >>>>>>. .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>-- >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >> >>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: hans_extrem cc: frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: voteauction page and press.release ok hans, i think frank will work on the release tonight and see if we can make it seem like an rtmark thing--see if we can make it make sense for rtmark. i think i agree (with my remaining one eighth of a brain) that this would be a pretty good thing for us to do right now.... so maybe tomorrow or saturday we can get this out, ok? you know, by the way, however, that tuesday or wednesday is the best day to send out a press release? friday, saturday, sunday or not really very good days.... take care ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extrem wrote: > >hi ray >jap tv, great!.. hehehe.. > >understand, please let me know if you will send out something today/tomorrow, otherwise we wait and see what the situation is when you have some air/space again.... > >from my point of view it would be important to send some release through RTMark. > >greetz >hans > >ps: thx for the barcelona salami and the videotape!; i didnt really believe that >yourreally pied yourself in salzburg >until i read y/note,, heheheh.. goood! >stuff... > > > >On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: > >>hans-- >> >>the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to palo alto for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there by the way).... >> >>the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send it out from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... >> >>also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one thought (but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the rtmark project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's basically fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting pulled as a violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to make >>any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political intentions of the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to do that now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? >> >>i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... >> >>xoxoxox >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>--- >>>confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >>>--- >>> >>>hi ray >>>hi frank >>>cc: liz >>> >>>shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. >>> >>>next week is a bit too late.. its now become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. >>> >>>rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? >>> >>>ok, let me know.. if you can not resend it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? >>> >>>i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >>>important ones. >>> >>>and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... >>> >>>we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >>>research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. >>> >>>now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >>>involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >>>investigating.. that just for y/info.. >>> >>>let know asap how you decide.. pleeese >>> >>>thx >>>hans >>> >>>ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! >>> >>> >>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>> >>>>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >>>> >>>>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in line with rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works out, because this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? 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, die besagt, dass unaufgeforderte Faxnachrichten, strafbar sind. Schon irgendwie krank, wir werden gespammt (mails, faxe, snailmail), sollten das alles sammeln, und katalogisiersen, auswerten, kilo papier muell, und die kranken, doc's und tiff's in MB. >:: icann stellungnahme muessten wir bekommen?! oder >via aclu, eff, oder so erzwingen lassen? > >:: vote-auction, respektive ubermorgen.com: >political? business-art? legal art? ??? > >:: media-statistics [894 press-clippings, 94 >radio-interviews, 56 tv-reports, 341 magazine articles, 6 law suits, 13 general attorneys investigating, 11.401 official legal pages, cool. >:: corenic.org klagen! schadensersatz 4 mio. ATS toppo, das wird von der community sicher begruesst. auf die geldscheiss automaten (NICs) sind eh alle heiss. >:: ein neuer at-net mitarbeiter hat oskar obereder >angerufen und im gesagt, er solle mit mir reden, da ich den etoy.BRAND gefaehrde, legal und so... z. hat ihm angeblich den auftrag dazu gegeben! er versuchts gnadenlos von allen seiten, zwecklos.. > kindergarden maessig, aufjedenfall wuerde ich auf keine dieser plumpen "annaeherungsversuche!" reagieren, JUST IGNORE IT; solange du nicht reagierst auf den quatsch, wird er weiter herumhacken, und wird sich immer laecherlicher machen. >:: THE FIRST POP-STAR IP-ADDRESS:: http://62.116.31.68/ >das ist geil liz! wir pushen diese ip konzeptiv jetzt ueber die naechsten jahre, als ip-POP-STAR.. hehehe.. mit vielen vielen links und vielen vielen projects.. > >:: NEW SLOGAN: to be or not to be? just do it! > >:: its different because its fundamentally different! >hab ich geile feedbacks auf diesen slogan bekommen. > >:: credits-liste auf http://62.116.31.68/ >james b. >ubermorgen >SILVER SERVER >rtmark >etoy >calif. secretary of state >mark andersen, wired news > >:: secretary of the commonwealth of massachusetts >hat uns einen netten brief geschrieben.. er ist aber echt vom style her total anders! correct formuliert, z.b. "as we understand your service, registered voters sign up to "sell" their vote.. .. please be advised that the services you offer on your web-site appear to be in direct conflict with massachusstets general law chapter 26..." --> unglaublich, denk an die californier! felony! CRIMINAL! etc.. geil! aber auch volle action!! diesmal nur gegen oskar und mich. > >:: die aktion ist auch community maessig total >am abgehen, die maia sagt, sie bekomme taeglich mehrere mails zum thema, aus ganz verschiedenen bereichen, mailinglisten, freunde, etc... vieleicht nur ein lokales phaenomen, aber ich glaub nicht! > >:: ps: liz.. markenschutz ubermorgen? nicht noetig >da web-site registration? aber die schweine werden uns die domain auch mal irgendwann abnehmen wenn wir mal wieder action machen... > >:: liebe gruesse vom ubermorgen.com HQ >the vote-auction legal centre... > >:: legal art exhibition by ubermorgen.com and SILVER >SERVER im/am NY MOMA web-site/ausstellungshalle, 1. februar - 31. oktober 2023 .. HAHAHA... bst o. ps: hans bitte nicht vergessen eine RE an jens mailen, eventuell eh schon done. >CIAO >hans-e > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:15:48 +0100 To: "Levend Sener" From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: Re: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com danke fuer die schelle antwort. das waer spitze mit dem forward, schick uns deinen banner, wir schalten ihn asap. best lizvlx Hallo "Vote-Auction", den forward konnen wir einrichten ... Als Gegenleistung sollte sich Bannerwerbung und Namedropping in der Presse einrichten lassen, oder ?! ;-)) GrŸ§e, Sener -----Original Message----- From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:33 AM To: pr@ubermorgen.com Subject: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? see english below... ----------------------- dear voteauction /vote-auction.com/.net/.org/... inhaber, frage ist, bekommen wir ein forward von eurer domain auf unsere neue adresse, oder einen link? http://62.116.31.68 als gegendeal wuerd ich - wenn gewollt - bannerplacing, namedropping in pressreleases etc anbieten. antwort? liebe gruesse, lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com -------------------- dear voteauc tion /vote-auction.com/.net/.org/... owner. question is, will you provide us with a link or a forward to our new adress? http://62.116.31.68 for a deal. i can offer banner-advertizing, mentioning in press releases etc.. answer? best wishes, lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com -- . . 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:52:44 -0500 To: RTMark admin , frank guerrero From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: voteauction page and press.release Cc: net_CALLBOY sure, okay, will workl on revision, makes sense to do that i suppose- At 7:42 PM -0500 11/3/00, RTMark admin wrote: >ok, immediate thought upon looking: seems to me the satire aspect, the fact that it's strictly a satire, should be in the first paragraph--just make it seem like it's always been a satire, like this was always totally obvious, and like the bill jones office and so on are clearly and purposely stomping on art. can quote the CNN transcript for bill jones saying "it doesn't matter whether it's a parody" (something like that). this is egregious.... make it seem like this is a simple case of censorship and an attack on free speech. yes? no? > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: > >>this is our draft, ray will work his magic on it and approve in case my mind has failed me and it really doesnt make sense (thats been known to happen), and we still need to discuss the "reward" aspect of it, but i figure it gives an additional raison d'etre for the rtmark release- check it out, if there are any problems let me know- >> >>frank >> >>ps: I am sure james is doing great! glad you got keys well, and thanks, doing better myself >> >> >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >>Voteauction.com Illegally Shut Down by InterNIC >> >>RTMark offers cash reward to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major political candidate's website to vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) >> >>-------------------------------------------------------- >> >>[V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. >> >>On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site. >> >>This marks the second time voteauction has been shut down illegally. The first time, the domain voteauction.com was registered and shut down by a dns registry located in the U.S. after receiving threats from the California Secretary of State. The owners of the site re-opened the site as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >> >>Vote-auction.com in still reachable via their IP address - their new url is: http://62.116.31.68 Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependant on domain name services. >> >>How and why is RTMark Involved? >> >>RTMark helped sponsor the first version of Voteauction.com, listed at www.rtmark.com as project VOTE (http://rtmark.com/featured.html). RTMark provided logistical support and assisted with the transfer of the site to ubermorgan.com when original owner James Baumgartner was forced to abandon ship after receiving legal threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Baumgartner is still being pursued in the lawsuit filed by the Chicago Board of Elections, even though he has clearly stated that the site is political satire. >> >>Authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated "whether this is a parody... that this man is running, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >> >>Vote-auction.com is a satire that must be protected as free speech. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the process by which corporate money influences the elections, not by outlawing a satire that highlights the problems. In the 1976 Buckley vs. Valejo decision, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations can engage in unlimited spending in the interest of electing candidates sympathetic to their interests. This hastened the evolution of the modern "soft-money" system (which in some regards filled the shoes of the older political machines in cities like Chicago, that used more straightforward strong-arm tactics to ensure that their candidates won.) If the Chicago Board of Elections wants to prove that Chicago has overcome its history as ground zero of old-school election corruption, they will stop wasting time with voteauction.com and start attacking the soft money system. >> >>What can you do now? >> >>RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give a $200 reward to the first worker at any media outlet covering the elections to re-route their dns to the voteauction address. >> >>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to: http://62.116.31.68. If you have a domain you would like to point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the info to pr@[62.116.31.68]. >> >>>From November 2nd, the following domains shall be active: >>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>http://www.vote-auction.org >> >>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Duong: cliff@rtmark.com >>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >> >> >>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>http://62.116.31.68 >>http://www.voteauction.at >>http://www.voteauction.de >>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>At 11:45 PM +0100 11/3/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>hey hans- >>>> >>>>did you find keys okay? sorry i have been incommunicado, got sick, too exhausted from the outrageousness of last week- >>> >>>no pro man.. was very busy too.. i was sick for over 2 weeks about a month ago.. very bad! hope you are well now >>> >>>>i am rtmark-ifying the release to fit our market sector, ray is extremely crazy today with various odd appointments/jetlag/etc, but he should be >>able >>>>to release it tonight or somthing (dont count on it, but i think it can go out then.. >>> >>>kewl.. send me a copy... its totally important that RTMark informs the community how to reach voteauction, but more about the free speech aspect and the scientific research we are doing in the fields of economics and international law. >>> >>>>hope all is well, looks fantastic to me! >>> >>>we are doing fine! legal pressure looks bigger than it is.. ACLU has started to >>>intervene.. we will probably sue corenic.org for turning us off illegally, >>> >>>we are not doing illegal stuff, so we dont have to be scared. we are more laughing.. i get 10 KG of legal documents everyday, our assistant goes to the post office >>>and is coming back exhausted.. maybe soon i will do an art exhibition again, although i said i would never ever do that again.. but with these documents you can fill >>>rooms man! great.. >>> >>>and its all bullshit! selling votes, buying votes.. we dont even store the data, man! hehehe.. >>> >>>hope james is doing ok... >>> >>>greetz >>> >>>hans >>> >>>>frank >>>> >>>> >>>>>hi ray >>>>>jap tv, great!.. hehehe.. >>>>> >>>>>understand, please let me know if you will send out something today/tomorrow, otherwise we wait and see what the situation is when you have some air/space again.... >>>>> >>>>>from my point of view it would be important to send some release through RTMark. >>>>> >>>>>greetz >>>>>hans >>>>> >>>>>ps: thx for the barcelona salami and the videotape!; i didnt really believe that >>>>>yourreally pied yourself in salzburg until i read y/note,, heheheh.. goood! >>>>>stuff... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>hans-- >>>>>> >>>>>>the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to >>palo alto >>>>>>for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there >>by the >>>>>>way).... >>>>>> >>>>>>the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send >>it out >>>>>>from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just >>>>>>really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... >>>>>> >>>>>>also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one >>thought >>>>>>(but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half >>>>>>good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can >>>>>>be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the >>rtmark >>>>>>project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's >>basically >>>>>>fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting >>pulled as a >>>>>>violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to >>make >>>>>>any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political >>intentions of >>>>>>the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to >>do that >>>>>>now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? >>>>>> >>>>>>i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... >>>>>> >>>>>>xoxoxox >>>>>>r >>>>>> >>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hi ray >>>>>>>hi frank >>>>>>>cc: liz >>>>>>> >>>>>>>shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>next week is a bit too late.. its now become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>ok, let me know.. if you can not resend it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >>>>>>>important ones. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >>>>>>>research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >>>>>>>involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >>>>>>>investigating.. that just for y/info.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>let know asap how you decide.. pleeese >>>>>>> >>>>>>>thx >>>>>>>hans >>>>>>> >>>>>>>ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in >>>>>>line with >>>>>>>>rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works >>>>>>out, because >>>>>>>>this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extreme wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>hi ray >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . >>>>>>>. .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>> >>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:34:58 -0500 To: frank guerrero , RTMark admin From: frank guerrero Subject: RTM-voteauction press.release.3.1 Cc: net_CALLBOY okay, latest version- added the corenic.org thing-please let me know if the way it is added makes sense- and great if you guys keep denying the satire angle- it will certainly keep the ball rolling, and it should keep fueling the fire... no, the inferno... frank FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Voteauction.com Illegally shut down by US Authorities Campaign launched to re-open the site under hundreds of sub-domains RTMark.com reveals its role in voteauction.com, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the IP address of vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) -------------------------------------------------------- [V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. Despite the fact that the site is clearly political satire, authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated: "whether this is a parody... it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC and corenic.org. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site.Ê RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE, http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the site functions as political satire, poetically revealing the real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, not by stopping a satire that highlights those problems and prosecuting the site's creators and owners. The current shutdown marks the second time the voteauction dns has been pulled illegally, and the third time the site has been shut down. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, received threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Officials warned Baumgartner that his art project could be considered treason, an offense potentially punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to a death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that re-opened voteauction with added features. The second time the site was shut down, the domain voteauction.com was yanked by a dns registry located in the U.S. after the registry received threats from the California Secretary of State. This time the owners of the site added a hyphen to their domain name and re-opened as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC/corenic.org to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". Call to Action: Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address:Ê http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com [V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm http://62.116.31.68 http://www.voteauction.at http://www.voteauction.de >From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net http://www.vote-auction.org TRASH: The reform process can start by overturning the 1976 Buckley vs. Valejo decision, in which the Supreme Court ruled that corporations could engage in unlimited spending in the interest of electing candidates sympathetic to their interests. This was the birth of the modern "soft-money" system (which in some regards filled the shoes of the older political machines that used more straightforward alliances with commercial interests and strong-arm tactics to ensure that their candidates won.) If the Chicago Board of Elections wants to prove that Chicago has overcome its history as ground zero of old-school election corruption, they will stop wasting time with voteauction.com and start attacking the soft money system Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:59:14 -0500 To: RTMark admin , frank guerrero From: frank guerrero Subject: RTM-voteauction press.release.3 Cc: net_CALLBOY here it is again, perhaps the headlines are too much now, but its a bit reorganized, a little shorter, with a bit more emphasis on the free speech outrage angle FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Voteauction.com Illegally shut down by US Authorities only to open again at IP address http://62.116.31.68 and dozens of sub-domains. RTMark.com offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the IP address of vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) -------------------------------------------------------- [V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. Despite the fact that the site is clearly political satire, authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated: "whether this is a parody... it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site.Ê RTMark originally sponsored Voteauction.com (RTMark project VOTE, http://rtmark.com/featured.html) because it functions as a satire. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the process by which corporate money influences the elections, not by outlawing a satire that highlights these problems, and that should be protected by the first amendment of the US constitution. The current shutdown marks the second time the voteauction dns has been pulled illegally, and the third time the site has been shut down. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, received threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Board of Elections officials warninged Baumgartner that his art project could be considered treason, an offense potentially punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to a death threat, had to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that re-opened the site with added features. The second time the site was shut down, the domain voteauction.com was yanked by a dns registry located in the U.S. after the registry received threats from the California Secretary of State. The owners of the site re-opened as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". Call to Action: Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address:Ê http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependant on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com [V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm http://62.116.31.68 http://www.voteauction.at http://www.voteauction.de >From November 2nd, the following voteacution domains shall be active: http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net http://www.vote-auction.org At 7:42 PM -0500 11/3/00, RTMark admin wrote: >ok, immediate thought upon looking: seems to me the satire aspect, the fact that it's strictly a satire, should be in the first paragraph--just make it seem like it's always been a satire, like this was always totally obvious, and like the bill jones office and so on are clearly and purposely stomping on art. can quote the CNN transcript for bill jones saying "it doesn't matter whether it's a parody" (something like that). this is egregious.... make it seem like this is a simple case of censorship and an attack on free speech. yes? no? > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: > >>this is our draft, ray will work his magic on it and approve in case my mind has failed me and it really doesnt make sense (thats been known to happen), and we still need to discuss the "reward" aspect of it, but i figure it gives an additional raison d'etre for the rtmark release- check it out, if there are any problems let me know- >> >>frank >> >>ps: I am sure james is doing great! glad you got keys well, and thanks, doing better myself >> >> >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >>Voteauction.com Illegally Shut Down by InterNIC >> >>RTMark offers cash reward to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major political candidate's website to vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) >> >>-------------------------------------------------------- >> >>[V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. >> >>On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site. >> >>This marks the second time voteauction has been shut down illegally. The first time, the domain voteauction.com was registered and shut down by a dns registry located in the U.S. after receiving threats from the California Secretary of State. The owners of the site re-opened the site as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >> >>Vote-auction.com in still reachable via their IP address - their new url is: http://62.116.31.68 Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependant on domain name services. >> >>How and why is RTMark Involved? >> >>RTMark helped sponsor the first version of Voteauction.com, listed at www.rtmark.com as project VOTE (http://rtmark.com/featured.html). RTMark provided logistical support and assisted with the transfer of the site to ubermorgan.com when original owner James Baumgartner was forced to abandon ship after receiving legal threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Baumgartner is still being pursued in the lawsuit filed by the Chicago Board of Elections, even though he has clearly stated that the site is political satire. >> >>Authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated "whether this is a parody... that this man is running, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >> >>Vote-auction.com is a satire that must be protected as free speech. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the process by which corporate money influences the elections, not by outlawing a satire that highlights the problems. In the 1976 Buckley vs. Valejo decision, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations can engage in unlimited spending in the interest of electing candidates sympathetic to their interests. This hastened the evolution of the modern "soft-money" system (which in some regards filled the shoes of the older political machines in cities like Chicago, that used more straightforward strong-arm tactics to ensure that their candidates won.) If the Chicago Board of Elections wants to prove that Chicago has overcome its history as ground zero of old-school election corruption, they will stop wasting time with voteauction.com and start attacking the soft money system. >> >>What can you do now? >> >>RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give a $200 reward to the first worker at any media outlet covering the elections to re-route their dns to the voteauction address. >> >>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to: http://62.116.31.68. If you have a domain you would like to point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the info to pr@[62.116.31.68]. >> >>>From November 2nd, the following domains shall be active: >>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>http://www.vote-auction.org >> >>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Duong: cliff@rtmark.com >>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >> >> >>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>http://62.116.31.68 >>http://www.voteauction.at >>http://www.voteauction.de >>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>At 11:45 PM +0100 11/3/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>hey hans- >>>> >>>>did you find keys okay? sorry i have been incommunicado, got sick, too exhausted from the outrageousness of last week- >>> >>>no pro man.. was very busy too.. i was sick for over 2 weeks about a month ago.. very bad! hope you are well now >>> >>>>i am rtmark-ifying the release to fit our market sector, ray is extremely crazy today with various odd appointments/jetlag/etc, but he should be able to release it tonight or somthing (dont count on it, but i think it can go out then.. >>> >>>kewl.. send me a copy... its totally important that RTMark informs the community how to reach voteauction, but more about the free speech aspect and the scientific research we are doing in the fields of economics and international law. >>> >>>>hope all is well, looks fantastic to me! >>> >>>we are doing fine! legal pressure looks bigger than it is.. ACLU has started to >>>intervene.. we will probably sue corenic.org for turning us off illegally, >>> >>>we are not doing illegal stuff, so we dont have to be scared. we are more laughing.. i get 10 KG of legal documents everyday, our assistant goes to the post office >>>and is coming back exhausted.. maybe soon i will do an art exhibition again, although i said i would never ever do that again.. but with these documents you can fill >>>rooms man! great.. >>> >>>and its all bullshit! selling votes, buying votes.. we dont even store the data, man! hehehe.. >>> >>>hope james is doing ok... >>> >>>greetz >>> >>>hans >>> >>>>frank >>>> >>>> >>>>>hi ray >>>>>jap tv, great!.. hehehe.. >>>>> >>>>>understand, please let me know if you will send out something today/tomorrow, otherwise we wait and see what the situation is when you have some air/space again.... >>>>> >>>>>from my point of view it would be important to send some release through RTMark. >>>>> >>>>>greetz >>>>>hans >>>>> >>>>>ps: thx for the barcelona salami and the videotape!; i didnt really believe that >>>>>yourreally pied yourself in salzburg until i read y/note,, heheheh.. goood! >>>>>stuff... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>hans-- >>>>>> >>>>>>the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to palo alto for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there by the way).... >>>>>> >>>>>>the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send it out from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just >>>>>>really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... >>>>>> >>>>>>also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one thought (but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half >>>>>>good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can >>>>>>be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the rtmark project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's basically fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting pulled as a violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to make >>>>>>any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political intentions of the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to do that now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? >>>>>> >>>>>>i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... >>>>>> >>>>>>xoxoxox >>>>>>r >>>>>> >>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hi ray >>>>>>>hi frank >>>>>>>cc: liz >>>>>>> >>>>>>>shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>next week is a bit too late.. its now become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>ok, let me know.. if you can not resend it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >>>>>>>important ones. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >>>>>>>research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >>>>>>>involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >>>>>>>investigating.. that just for y/info.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>let know asap how you decide.. pleeese >>>>>>> >>>>>>>thx >>>>>>>hans >>>>>>> >>>>>>>ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it in >>>>>>line with >>>>>>>>rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works >>>>>>out, because >>>>>>>>this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extreme wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>hi ray >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . >>>>>>>. .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>> >>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:30:31 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: rtm-votauction release 4 also, NONE of the domains listed at the end of the release work, not a one. it's after nov. 2. i'm leaving that part out. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >friday august 18th was the first date james shut it down- > >frank > >At 3:56 PM -0500 11/4/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>when was the site first shut down? >> >>1. The site was first shut down after its founder, graduate student James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of >>Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, >> >> >>what was the date? >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- >>> >>> >>>November 5, 2000 >>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>>VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) >>> >>>Contacts: >>>Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: >>>RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ >>> >>>Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. >>> >>>On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. >>> >>>California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." >>>(http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >>> >>>Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. >>> >>>It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >>> >>>Call to Action: >>> >>>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. >>> >>>In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. >>> >>>RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. >>> >>>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >>>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >>> >>>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >>> >>>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>http://www.voteauction.at >>>http://www.voteauction.de >>> >>>>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >>>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>>http://www.vote-auction.org Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:19:26 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: voteauction page and press.release right, forgot about the vote thing.... nov. 7.... i can't vote, i fucked up my registration location, sf instead of la, we have a stupid system and i'm stupid also.... today i work on fixing up the press release as necessary, just got latest version from frank, will send out revision shortly after reading my mail (so there's still time to send me a new version, another few mintues).... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>ok hans, i think frank will work on the release tonight and see if we can make it seem like an rtmark thing--see if we can make it make sense for rtmark. i think i agree (with my remaining one eighth of a brain) that this would be a pretty good thing for us to do right now.... so maybe tomorrow or saturday we can get this out, ok? >> >>you know, by the way, however, that tuesday or wednesday is the best day to send out a press release? friday, saturday, sunday or not really very good days.... > >hi ray >thx for the tip about the press.releases, good know how transfer.. although with v-a currently we are working on 24-48h basis for decisions and send-outs, so sometimes, i.e. for next press.release from v-a we will not be able to wait.. we will issue another release probably sunday night, so about sunday evening your time.. so people have it monday morning in their INBOX in the U.S.,, cause elections are nov, 7th,, > >are you gona vote!!!!??? >hans > > >>take care >>ray >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, hans_extrem wrote: >> >>> >>>hi ray >>>jap tv, great!.. hehehe.. >>> >>>understand, please let me know if you will send out something today/tomorrow, otherwise we wait and see what the situation is when you have some air/space again.... >>> >>>from my point of view it would be important to send some release through RTMark. >>> >>>greetz >>>hans >>> >>>ps: thx for the barcelona salami and the videotape!; i didnt really believe that >>>yourreally pied yourself in salzburg >>>until i read y/note,, heheheh.. goood! stuff... >>> >>> >>> >>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>> >>>>hans-- >>>> >>>>the real problem here is simply a matter of time. i simply am too jetlagged and there's a japanese tv crew here and now i fly to palo alto for a few days when who knows what will happen (zai will be there by the way).... >>>> >>>>the only way is if frank can do the basic editing and i just send it out from here.... unless i get a rush of energy tomorrow, but the time is just really full now until at least saturday.... shit.... frank, is this possible? i can't even think straight, my head is totally off.... >>>> >>>>also, i'm not sure: is this the right time for this? here's one thought (but this is coming from one quarter of my normal head, which is only half good anyhow): maybe the best way to talk about it, as rtmark, is if we can be fully behind it. we can be fully behind it if it fulfills the rtmark project, which is only to be a satire, basically: i mean it's basically fulfilled the rtamrk project. so we can talk about it getting pulled as a violation of.... oh, never mind, i can't think long enough to make >>>>any sense. all i'm thinking is maybe we should, when the press release comes out, make it very transparently about the political intentions of the site only, and think about how to talk about the network solutions problem in those terms.... i mean, we shouldn't actually be supporting your right to sell votes. we all know that you aren't really selling votes, but this should be clear in the press release, and how to do that now? i don't think it quite works to say that, does it? >>>> >>>>i am very sleepy and annoyed at having to be on japanese tv... >>>> >>>>xoxoxox >>>>r >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>> >>>>>--- >>>>>confidental, for header to: cc: receipients eyes only!!! --> see disclaimer underneath! >>>>>--- >>>>> >>>>>hi ray >>>>>hi frank >>>>>cc: liz >>>>> >>>>>shit.. come on :) , we need your support.. >>>>> >>>>>next week is a bit too late.. its now become a matter of hours or max 1 day.. >>>>> >>>>>rewording no pro.. just then it will be issued by RTMark, right? >>>>> >>>>>ok, let me know.. if you can not resend >>>>>it due to other reasons, let me know why.. and i will surely understand your arguments. conflicting brands, james, ...? >>>>> >>>>>i am not trying to misuse rmtark or some- thing [you wouldnt let me misuse you anyway.. hehehe..]. i just wanna use the channels and brands, and RTMark.com is one the very >>>>>important ones. >>>>> >>>>>and we do need support from the community, spreading the word. there is no reaction, except from close friends and the mass media, and some prosecuters..hehehe.... >>>>> >>>>>we will start [have already in the press. release] to focus our arguments on free spech and on the research component of the project, we declare it as economical science/ >>>>>research, we had this argumentation going through since 2 months.. telling that we see this as a test-pilot... the whole thing without saying it is fake or something.. >>>>> >>>>>now we have international law cases with germany, the U.S., switzerland, austria >>>>>involved.. highly political because they turned off vote-auction.com without written statement and without notice, from switzerland and possibly in virigina, we are still >>>>>investigating.. that just for y/info.. >>>>> >>>>>let know asap how you decide.. pleeese >>>>> >>>>>thx >>>>>hans >>>>> >>>>>ps: if you have contact with james or his lawyer, please tell him that his lawyer should contact me! he did once, but then the contact broke up.. ,, our lawyers should/need to talk!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>ok, will upload fixed voteauction page. >>>>>> >>>>>>as for mailinglist, we'll have to reword a bit to make it >>>in line with >>>>>>rtmark.... could send it out early next week if that works >>>out, because >>>>>>this weekend i'll be travelling... frank, what do you think? 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:52:04 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: RTM-voteauction press.release.3.1 ok, there's a shitload of stuff and i'm making my way through it but please tell me what corenic is. it just says corenic and nothing else. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >okay, latest version- >added the corenic.org thing-please let me know if the way it is added makes sense- and great if you guys keep denying the satire angle- it will certainly keep the ball rolling, and it should keep fueling the fire... no, the inferno... > >frank > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >Voteauction.com Illegally shut down by US Authorities > >Campaign launched to re-open the site under hundreds of sub-domains > >RTMark.com reveals its role in voteauction.com, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the IP address of vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) > >-------------------------------------------------------- > >[V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. > >Despite the fact that the site is clearly political satire, authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. > >Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated: "whether this is a parody... it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) > >On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC and corenic.org. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site. > >RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE, http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the site functions as political satire, poetically revealing the real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, not by stopping a satire that highlights those problems and prosecuting the site's creators and owners. > >The current shutdown marks the second time the voteauction dns has been pulled illegally, and the third time the site has been shut down. > >The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, received threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Officials warned Baumgartner that his art project could be considered treason, an offense potentially punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to a death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that re-opened voteauction with added features. The second time the site was shut down, the domain voteauction.com was yanked by a dns registry located in the U.S. after the registry received threats from the California Secretary of State. This time the owners of the site added a hyphen to their domain name and re-opened as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC/corenic.org to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". > >Call to Action: > >Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. > >In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. > >For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com > >[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] > >You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >http://62.116.31.68 >http://www.voteauction.at >http://www.voteauction.de > >>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >http://www.vote-auction.org > > > > > >TRASH: > >The reform process can start by overturning the 1976 Buckley vs. Valejo decision, in which the Supreme Court ruled that corporations could engage in unlimited spending in the interest of electing candidates sympathetic to their interests. This was the birth of the modern "soft-money" system (which in some regards filled the shoes of the older political machines that used more straightforward alliances with commercial interests and strong-arm tactics to ensure that their candidates won.) If the Chicago Board of Elections wants to prove that Chicago has overcome its history as ground zero of old-school election corruption, they will stop wasting time with voteauction.com and start attacking the soft money systemDelivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:03:20 -0500 To: admin@rtmark.com From: frank guerrero Subject: rtm-votauction release 4 Cc: net_CALLBOY worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- November 5, 2000 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) Contacts: Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". Call to Action: Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address:Ê http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com [V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm http://62.116.31.68 http://www.voteauction.at http://www.voteauction.de >From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net http://www.vote-auction.org Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:58:41 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: rtm-votauction release 4 and when was the next one? i need a date: 2. It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a domain registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered with a company located in Germany, i.e. outside U.S. jurisdiction. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- > > >November 5, 2000 >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) > >Contacts: >Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: >RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com >http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ > >Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. > >On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. > >California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." >(http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) > >Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. > >It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". > >Call to Action: > >Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. > >In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. > >RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. > >For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com > >[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] > >You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >http://62.116.31.68 >http://www.voteauction.at >http://www.voteauction.de > >>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >http://www.vote-auction.orgDelivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: rtm-votauction release 4 need a phrase to describe ICANN: what is it? what does it stand for? http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- > > >November 5, 2000 >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) > >Contacts: >Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: >RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com >http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ > >Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. > >On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. > >California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." >(http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) > >Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. > >It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". > >Call to Action: > >Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. > >In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. > >RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. > >For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com > >[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] > >You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >http://62.116.31.68 >http://www.voteauction.at >http://www.voteauction.de > >>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >http://www.vote-auction.orgDelivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:02:08 -0500 To: RTMark admin From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: rtm-votauction release 4 Cc: net_CALLBOY i have to leave, am available only by phone after now, so probably wont be able to do another round tonight- i dont think the release is that inaccurate- as for the someone in the US thing, that simply indicates that it is unknown who put the pressure on, but it would either be chicago or california- a rewording would be good. Granted, it will be hard for the press to confirm the de-facto death threats against james, since he wontt be talking to them... but otherwise - and if thre ICANN board member quote bothers you, just drop it- though it would be great to get his email and put it in the contacts at the top- do you have it hans? frank At 3:54 PM -0500 11/4/00, RTMark admin wrote: >i'll send it back shortly for interlinear edits, but there's so much that is totally unsubstantiated in this so far. "someone in the u.s."? how do i rephrase that so it makes sense... will start thinking > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: > >>worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- >> >> >>November 5, 2000 >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >>VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) >> >>Contacts: >>Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: >>RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com >>http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ >> >>Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. >> >>On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. >> >>California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." >>(http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >> >>Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. >> >>It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >> >>Call to Action: >> >>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. >> >>In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. >> >>RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. >> >>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >> >>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >> >>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>http://62.116.31.68 >>http://www.voteauction.at >>http://www.voteauction.de >> >>>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>http://www.vote-auction.orgDelivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: rtm-votauction release 4 yes, please get some e-mail address for ICANN for me.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >i have to leave, am available only by phone after now, so probably wont be able to do another round tonight- > >i dont think the release is that inaccurate- as for the someone in the US thing, that simply indicates that it is unknown who put the pressure on, but it would either be chicago or california- a rewording would be good. Granted, it will be hard for the press to confirm the de-facto death threats against james, since he wontt be talking to them... but otherwise - and if thre ICANN board member quote bothers you, just drop it- though it would be great to get his email and put it in the contacts at the top- do you have it hans? > >frank > > >At 3:54 PM -0500 11/4/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>i'll send it back shortly for interlinear edits, but there's so much that is totally unsubstantiated in this so far. "someone in the u.s."? how do i rephrase that so it makes sense... will start thinking >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- >>> >>> >>>November 5, 2000 >>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>>VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) >>> >>>Contacts: >>>Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: >>>RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ >>> >>>Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. >>> >>>On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. >>> >>>California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." >>>(http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >>> >>>Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. >>> >>>It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >>> >>>Call to Action: >>> >>>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. >>> >>>In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. >>> >>>RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. >>> >>>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >>>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >>> >>>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >>> >>>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>http://www.voteauction.at >>>http://www.voteauction.de >>> >>>>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >>>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>>http://www.vote-auction.org Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:08:48 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: rtm-votauction release 4 what was the second date? http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >friday august 18th was the first date james shut it down- > >frank > >At 3:56 PM -0500 11/4/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>when was the site first shut down? >> >>1. The site was first shut down after its founder, graduate student James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of >>Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, >> >> >>what was the date? >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- >>> >>> >>>November 5, 2000 >>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>>VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) >>> >>>Contacts: >>>Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: >>>RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ >>> >>>Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. >>> >>>On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. >>> >>>California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." >>>(http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >>> >>>Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. >>> >>>It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >>> >>>Call to Action: >>> >>>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. >>> >>>In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. >>> >>>RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. >>> >>>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >>>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >>> >>>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >>> >>>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>http://www.voteauction.at >>>http://www.voteauction.de >>> >>>>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >>>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>>http://www.vote-auction.org Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: rtm-votauction release 4 when did this happen: 2. It was not long before Domain Bank, the U.S. company with which voteauction.com had been registered, illegally froze the domain. Bernhard responded by registering vote-auction.com (with an added hyphen) with a company located outside U.S. jurisdiction. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >friday august 18th was the first date james shut it down- > >frank > >At 3:56 PM -0500 11/4/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>when was the site first shut down? >> >>1. The site was first shut down after its founder, graduate student James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of >>Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, >> >> >>what was the date? >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- >>> >>> >>>November 5, 2000 >>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>>VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) >>> >>>Contacts: >>>Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: >>>RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ >>> >>>Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. >>> >>>On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. >>> >>>California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." >>>(http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >>> >>>Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. >>> >>>It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >>> >>>Call to Action: >>> >>>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. >>> >>>In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. >>> >>>RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. >>> >>>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >>>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >>> >>>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >>> >>>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>http://www.voteauction.at >>>http://www.voteauction.de >>> >>>>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >>>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>>http://www.vote-auction.org Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: RTM-voteauction press.release.3.1 thanks for all this info, hans! what role did corenic have in this voteauction stuff? internic area? http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>ok, there's a shitload of stuff and i'm making my way through it but please tell me what corenic is. it just says corenic and nothing else. > >it is a dubious organisation working sort as a large-scale retailer for domain-name-services. its is somehow connected with internic, cause internic is controlling the root-files of DNS. on the other side corenic.org is reselling DNS to companies that sell the domain-name and service to consumers like you and me. > >now there are new toplevel domains coming and corenic wants to control parts of these new domain names. big big big fucking business!!! massiv amounts of cash, like a fucking cash- print machine. you just sell words! and do some tech and admin! > >so thats why corenic.org is a very critical institution. can send you some more backgound info if you are interested.. > >they are based in geneva, switzerland > >hans > >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>okay, latest version- >>>added the corenic.org thing-please let me know if the way it is added makes sense- and great if you guys keep denying the satire angle- it will certainly keep the ball rolling, and it should keep fueling the fire... no, the inferno... >>> >>>frank >>> >>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>>Voteauction.com Illegally shut down by US Authorities >>> >>>Campaign launched to re-open the site under hundreds of sub-domains >>> >>>RTMark.com reveals its role in voteauction.com, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the IP address of vote-auction.com (http://62.116.31.68) >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>[V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], has again fallen victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. >>> >>>Despite the fact that the site is clearly political satire, authorities in the United States continue to show disdain for the first amendment rights of the original site creator and its current owners. >>> >>>Chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones stated: "whether this is a parody... it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >>> >>>On the 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC and corenic.org. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification about the shutdown. InterNIC is declining comment on the issue, however it is probable that they shut the domain after threats from the Chicago Board of Elections, where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed against the site. >>> >>>RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE, http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the site functions as political satire, poetically revealing the real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, not by stopping a satire that highlights those problems and prosecuting the site's creators and owners. >>> >>>The current shutdown marks the second time the voteauction dns has been pulled illegally, and the third time the site has been shut down. >>> >>>The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, received threats from the New York State Board of Elections. Officials warned Baumgartner that his art project could be considered treason, an offense potentially punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced >>>with what amounted to a death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that re-opened voteauction with added features. The second time the site was shut down, the domain voteauction.com was yanked by a dns registry located in the U.S. after the registry received threats from the California Secretary of State. This time the owners of the site added a hyphen to their domain name and re-opened as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, apparently, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC/corenic.org to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >>> >>>Call to Action: >>> >>>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. >>> >>>In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. >>> >>>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >>>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >>> >>>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >>> >>>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>http://www.voteauction.at >>>http://www.voteauction.de >>> >>>>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >>>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>>http://www.vote-auction.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>TRASH: >>> >>>The reform process can start by overturning the 1976 Buckley vs. Valejo decision, in which the Supreme Court ruled that corporations could engage in unlimited spending in the interest of electing candidates sympathetic to their interests. This was the birth of the modern "soft-money" system (which in some regards filled the shoes of the older political machines that used more straightforward alliances with commercial interests and strong-arm tactics to ensure that their candidates won.) If the Chicago Board of Elections wants to prove that Chicago has overcome its history as ground zero of old-school election corruption, they will stop wasting time with voteauction.com and start attacking the soft money system > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . > >. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:55:50 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: rtm-votauction release 4 how is the name spelled: Andy Mueller-Maguhn [frank's version] Andy Mueller-Maghun [hans's version] http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >friday august 18th was the first date james shut it down- > >frank > >At 3:56 PM -0500 11/4/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>when was the site first shut down? >> >>1. The site was first shut down after its founder, graduate student James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of >>Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, >> >> >>what was the date? >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>worked off your better version, just added the rest of the stuff with some more editing. dont know much about corenic, it was added as a result of technical details provided by hans- >>> >>> >>>November 5, 2000 >>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>>VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first worker who can redirect the DNS of a major candidate's website to the voteauction IP (http://62.116.31.68) >>> >>>Contacts: >>>Hans Bernhard: mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com Bill Jones: >>>RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com http://rtmark.com/voteauction/ >>> >>>Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only platform channelling election 'soft money' directly to the end consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech. >>> >>>On November 1, 2000, Internic (the private corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Internic is declining comment on the issue. >>> >>>California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating on CNN that "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." >>>(http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >>> >>>Jones' blatent disregard for free speech, and the closure of the vote-auction domain are just the latest blows in a series of outrageous strong-arm tactics that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. The first time the site was shut down after its founder, artist James Baumgartner, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press criminal charges against him, including the charge of treason, punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site, at which point RTMark assisted with the transfer of voteauction.com to its current owners, Ubermorgen.com, an Austrian company that immediately re-opened voteauction.com with added features. >>> >>>It was not long before the domain voteauction.com was yanked by Domain Bank, a dns registry located in the U.S. The owners of the voteauction.com site responded to this illegal censorship by adding a hyphen to the domain name and re-opening as vote-auction.com, registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, someone in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to again circumvent legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC to have the site shut down a third time, ignoring inter-national law. Newly elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn commented on the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". >>> >>>Call to Action: >>> >>>Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to their IP address: http://62.116.31.68. Using the IP address will protect against any further actions against the site, as IP addresses are not dependent on domain name services. If you have a domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the domain name to pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to the list of sub-domains supporting this free speech campaign. >>> >>>In addition to this initiative, RTMark has secured a $300 investment that will be given to the first worker who can redirect the dns of a major US political candidate's website (federal or state level offices) to http://62.116.31.68. In addition, RTMark will give $200 reward to the first worker to re-route the dns of a major media outlet covering the elections to the voteauction address. These initiatives must be completed before November 8th to collect the reward. >>> >>>RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (RTMark project VOTE,http://rtmark.com/featured.html) precisely because the satirical site helps revealthe real problems with corporate money in the electoral process. If authorities in the United States wish to purge the election process of corruption, they need to start by outlawing the corporate money in the electoral process, stopping a satire that highlights those problems. >>> >>>For more information on this RTMark announcement: Cliff Cushion: Cliff@rtmark.com >>>Duane Dibbley: Duane@rtmark.com >>> >>>[V]ote-auction contact: pr@[62.116.31.68] >>> >>>You can find the latest press releases by [V]ote-auction at: http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>http://www.voteauction.at >>>http://www.voteauction.de >>> >>>>From November 2nd, the following voteauction domains shall be active: >>>http://www.voteauction.at [austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [german domain] http://www.voteauction.cu [cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net >>>http://www.vote-auction.org Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:28:14 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY Subject: URGENT--shell account for press release... hi hans so OOOOPS, stupidly we seem to have let our shell account that we use for press releases lapse, still pursuing that to see if it's true, not sure yet, but: do you have a shell account we can use? it just has to have perl 5 and sendmail. and it has to be ok to send a few thousand mails from it. we usually don't get many spam complaints, if any (0-4 or so). oops! r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital.Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: URGENT--shell account for press release... so as it turns out, yes, the shell account we've been depending on was shut down because they didn't receive payment or something, so now we're fucked i guess unless you can lend us a shell account.... i'll try to think of some other option too.... sorry! r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >hi hans > >so OOOOPS, stupidly we seem to have let our shell account that we use for press releases lapse, still pursuing that to see if it's true, not sure yet, but: do you have a shell account we can use? it just has to have perl 5 and sendmail. and it has to be ok to send a few thousand mails from it. we usually don't get many spam complaints, if any (0-4 or so). > >oops! >r > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > > Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:59:19 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: URGENT--shell account for press release... great!! yes, please call 415-279-0131 with password. i'm not sure what qmail is--will research. my script doesn't know it though.... possible to install sendmail if not? hm.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>so as it turns out, yes, the shell account we've been depending on was shut down because they didn't receive payment or something, so now we're fucked i guess unless you can lend us a shell account.... i'll try to think of some other option too.... > >hi ray >shit.. good timing..hehehe. >just asking one of our tech >supporters, our server has >just been setup with highest >security measurements, so i >just have limited access.. > >i am checking, perl should >be installed.. you dont need >root access dont you [super user)? > >and.. we have qmail installed, >does that work with your script? > >let me know asap.. will try to >organize something now. > >hans > > >>sorry! >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >> >>>hi hans >>> >>>so OOOOPS, stupidly we seem to have let our shell account that we use for press releases lapse, still pursuing that to see if it's true, not sure yet, but: do you have a shell account we can use? it just has to have perl 5 and sendmail. and it has to be ok to send a few thousand mails from it. we usually don't get many spam complaints, if any (0-4 or so). >>> >>>oops! >>>r >>> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>> >>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . > >. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:58:40 +0100 (MET) From: SILVER SERVER o2 X-Sender: oskar@ikarus To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: DNS killed hoi, DNS fur vote-auction.com ist gone. :( zunindest ist die IP auf den root DNS server geneuked. aktuell kommt man nur noch ueber die neigbours von ns1, ns2.sil.at hin. in 2-3 stunden nur noch via ns1, ns2.sil.at. was tun? voteauktion.com anmelden? cu o.Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: Subject: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:53:11 +0100 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Importance: High Antwort an Absenderadresse hat nicht so recht geklappt ... also an "Hans". Original-Text siehe roten Bereich. >-----Original Message----- >From: WEBSTREME-Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:45 PM >To: 'PR [V]ote-auction.com' >Subject: RE: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High > > >Hallo, > >welche Grš§e/Format usw. soll denn das Banner haben ? > >GrŸ§e, >Sener. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:16 AM To: Levend Sener >>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Subject: Re: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >> >> >> >>ÊÊ danke fuer die schelle antwort. >> >>ÊÊ das waer spitze mit dem forward, schick uns ÊÊ deinen banner, wir schalten ihn asap. >> >>ÊÊ best >>ÊÊ lizvlx >> >>>Hallo "Vote-Auction", >>> >>>den forward konnen wir einrichten ... Als Gegenleistung sollte sich Bannerwerbung und >Namedropping in der >>>Presse einrichten lassen, oder ?!Ê ;-)) >>> >>>GrŸ§e, >>>Sener >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ê -----Original Message----- >>>>Ê From: PR [V]ote-auction.com >[<mailto:PR@>mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] >>>>Ê Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:33 AM Ê To: pr@ubermorgen.com >>>>Ê Subject: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>ÊÊ see english below... >>>> >>>>ÊÊ ----------------------- >>>>ÊÊ dear voteauction /vote-auction.com/.net/.org/... inhaber, >>>> >>>>ÊÊ frage ist, bekommenÊ wir ein forward von eurer domain ÊÊ auf unsere neue adresse, oder einen link? >>>> >>>>ÊÊ <http://62.116.31.68>http://62.116.31.68 >>>> >>>>ÊÊ als gegendeal wuerd ich - wenn gewollt - bannerplacing, ÊÊ namedropping in pressreleases etc anbieten. >>>> >>>>ÊÊ antwort? >>>> >>>>ÊÊ liebe gruesse, >>>> >>>>ÊÊ lizvlx >>>>ÊÊ [V]ote-auction.com >>>> >>>>ÊÊ -------------------- >>>>ÊÊ dear voteauc tion /vote-auction.com/.net/.org/... owner. >>>> >>>>ÊÊ question is, will you provide us with a link or a ÊÊ forward to our new adress? >>>> >>>>ÊÊ <http://62.116.31.68>http://62.116.31.68 >>>> >>>>ÊÊ for a deal. i can offer banner-advertizing, mentioning ÊÊ in press releases etc.. >>>> >>>>ÊÊ answer? >>>> >>>>ÊÊ best wishes, >>>> >>>>ÊÊ lizvlx >>>>ÊÊ [V]ote-auction.com >>>>Ê -- >>>>ÊÊ . . 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ÊÊ . .Ê ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ÊÊ . .Ê fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ÊÊ . .Ê . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ÊÊ . .Ê . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! >> >>ÊÊ . .Ê . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ÊÊ . .Ê . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: URGENT--shell account for press release... hi hans yep, it's all gone--i just removed about 11.000 addresses that had some chance of causing problems and sent it from the rtmark.com account.... that'll work ok i think r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>ok--at the moment my i.p. is 158.252.216.29 >> >>it does change though when i dial up every time.... >> >>that's a good start though.... > >hi ray > >is the message out now? i received some email with the press.release.. >just got up from bed, still a bit >destroyed in my head; > >hans > > >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>>shit... i get >>>> >>>>[SSH] CONNECT ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com/62.116.31.68 >>> >>>shit, forgot.. we have only certain ip- addresses allowed.. shit shit... will >>>try to open, >>> >>>send me your ip-address please, hope you have a fix one or at least you have >>>stable modem, i need ip in order for >>>you to connect.. >>> >>>hans >>> >>>>and then nothing... it just hangs and stays there forever i think... at least for three minutes.... any idea why? r >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>> >>>>>>great!! 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 16:32:54 +0100 From: Alvar Freude Organization: http://www.online-demonstration.org/ X-Accept-Language: de To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction und Networksolutions Hi Hans, lass Dich nicht unterkriegen von den SŠcken! Versuche doch schnell die entsprechenden .net und .org-Domains zu holen, Ÿber CORENIC, die sitzen in der Schweiz ;) Soweit ich wei§ kšnnen die von Networksolutions nicht gesperrt werden, oder? Ich hab den .org-Blaster und Online-Demo Ÿber die reserviert, via http://www.global-village.de/ (bei denen klappt die Registrierung ruck-zuck und die Domain ist ein paar Stunden spŠter wirklich da!) Wenn ich Dich irgendwie unterstŸtzen kann, lass es mich wissen -- Subdomains gehen leider nicht. Aber Mirror bzw. via Proxy wŠre drin. Ciao Alvar -- Alvar C.H. Freude | alvar.freude@merz-akademie.de Demo: http://www.online-demonstration.org/ | Mach mit! Blast-DE: http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ | Blast-Dich-Fit Blast-EN: http://www.a-blast.org/ | Blast/english Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:23:24 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: URGENT--shell account for press release... sent out about 16.000 - bounces, or about 12.000, mostly journalists the removed 11.000 were e-mails i collect from people's cc: lists and stuff like that--good addresses, but not really targeted. r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>hi hans >> >>yep, it's all gone--i just removed about 11.000 addresses that had some chance of causing problems and sent it from the rtmark.com account.... >that'll work ok i think > >kewl.. so how many emails did you send out? or, what are the critical addresses you >removed? .gov or .mil, or others? > >just curious.. >hans > > >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>>ok--at the moment my i.p. is 158.252.216.29 >>>> >>>>it does change though when i dial up every time.... >>>> >>>>that's a good start though.... >>> >>>hi ray >>> >>>is the message out now? i received some email with the press.release.. >>>just got up from bed, still a bit >>>destroyed in my head; >>> >>>hans >>> >>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>> >>>>>>shit... i get >>>>>> >>>>>>[SSH] CONNECT ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com/62.116.31.68 >>>>> >>>>>shit, forgot.. we have only certain ip- addresses allowed.. shit shit... will >>>>>try to open, >>>>> >>>>>send me your ip-address please, hope you have a fix one or at least you have >>>>>stable modem, i need ip in order for you to connect.. >>>>> >>>>>hans >>>>> >>>>>>and then nothing... it just hangs and stays there forever i think... at least for three minutes.... any idea why? r >>>>>> >>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>> >>>>>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>great!! 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:00:50 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" cc: one@hell.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: TRAFFIC from HELL hi ken! this is ray. awesome, terrific terrific terrific!! excellent, etc. further superlatives. and: thank you. ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, PR [V]ote-auction.com wrote: >>have "ray" contact me and we'll repoint HELL.COM thru the election good for about 5000 humans /day > >supercool. >thats really some action there. >this is also being forwared to ray. > >ray, pls contact kenneth! > >best >lizvlx > >> >>-- >>kenneth aronson >> >> >> >>one@HELL.COM >> >> >> >> >>310.450.8069 >> >> >> >>txt to phone /urgent messages >> >>cell@HELL.COM >> >> >> >>http://final.org >> >> >> >>http://HELL.COM >> >> >> >> >>http://no-such.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>77 market street >> >> >>venice, california >> >> >>90291 >> >> >> >>usa > >-- >. . 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Gru§, Sener >-----Original Message----- >From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:05 PM >To: Levend Sener >Subject: Re: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High > > >>Antwort an Absenderadresse hat nicht so recht geklappt ... >also an "Hans". > >hi there > >banner size 468x60, sobald wir den haben bauen wir ihn ein, dann bitte va.de auf http://62.116.31.68/ linken, > >gruesse >hans > >>Original-Text siehe roten Bereich. >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: WEBSTREME-Webmaster >>>[mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net] >>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:45 PM To: 'PR [V]ote-auction.com' >>>Subject: RE: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>> >>> >>>Hallo, >>> >>>welche Grš§e/Format usw. soll denn das Banner haben ? >>> >>>GrŸ§e, >>>Sener. >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: PR [V]ote-auction.com >[mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:16 AM To: Levend Sener >>>>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>Subject: Re: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>danke fuer die schelle antwort. >>>> >>>>das waer spitze mit dem forward, schick uns deinen banner, wir schalten ihn asap. >>>> >>>>best >>>>lizvlx >>>> >>>>>Hallo "Vote-Auction", >>>>> >>>>>den forward konnen wir einrichten ... Als Gegenleistung sollte sich Bannerwerbung und >>>Namedropping in der >>>>>Presse einrichten lassen, oder ?! ;-)) >>>>> >>>>>GrŸ§e, >>>>>Sener >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: PR [V]ote-auction.com >>>[<mailto:PR@>mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:33 AM To: pr@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>Subject: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>see english below... >>>>>> >>>>>>----------------------- >>>>>>dear voteauction /vote-auction.com/.net/.org/... inhaber, >>>>>> >>>>>>frage ist, bekommen wir ein forward von eurer domain auf unsere neue adresse, oder einen link? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>><http://62.116.31.68>68>http://62.116.31.68 >>>>>> >>>>>>als gegendeal wuerd ich - wenn gewollt - bannerplacing, namedropping in pressreleases etc anbieten. >>>>>> >>>>>>antwort? >>>>>> >>>>>>liebe gruesse, >>>>>> >>>>>>lizvlx >>>>>>[V]ote-auction.com >>>>>> >>>>>>-------------------- >>>>>>dear voteauc tion /vote-auction.com/.net/.org/... owner. >>>>>> >>>>>>question is, will you provide us with a link or a forward to our new adress? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>><http://62.116.31.68>68>http://62.116.31.68 >>>>>> >>>>>>for a deal. i can offer banner-advertizing, mentioning in press releases etc.. >>>>>> >>>>>>answer? >>>>>> >>>>>>best wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>>lizvlx >>>>>>[V]ote-auction.com >>>>>>-- >>>>>>. . 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:20:53 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: pr@[62.116.31.68], hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: WIPO Office of Legal and Organization Affairs (fwd) !!!!!!! http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 19:15:40 +0100 From: Francis Gurry To: cregan@netsol.com Cc: kidris@wipo.org, icann@icann.org, andy@ccc.de, shemphill@domainbank.net Subject: WIPO Office of Legal and Organization Affairs Dear Mr. Regan On November 1, Network Solutions (NSI) shut down the domain vote-auction.com without warning or explanation to the owner (Luzius A. Bernhard). This is clearly illegal and the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) will take adequate leagal steps against NSI to reverse this descision. As legal representant of WIPO I request you kindly to reanable the domain within five (5) business days. If NSI doesn't comply in the given time period, further legal steps will be taken. The foregoing is without prejudice to any right, remedy, claim or defense otherwise available to us under the circumstances, all of which are expressly reserved. We look forward to hearing from you at your very earliest opportunity. Kind regards, Francis Gurry Assistant Director General and Legal Counsel WIPO Geneva, Switzerland ------ DISCLAIMER: Any e-mail messages from WIPO Switzerland are sent in good faith, but shall not be binding nor construed as constituting any obligation on the part of the Organization. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail contains confidential information, which is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately via e-mail and return the entire message. Thank you for your assistance.Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 17:02:36 -0500 To: net_CALLBOY From: frank guerrero Subject: Fwd: Re: Corporate vote-buying OK, satire not OK. Does knabb@slip.net agree? >From: "Bureau of Public Secrets" To: "RTMark" >Subject: Re: Corporate vote-buying OK, satire not OK. Does knabb@slip.net agree? >Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:49:06 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 > >The email contact address at the Vote-Auction site does not work. > >-----Original Message----- >From: RTMark >To: Potential Voter >Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: Corporate vote-buying OK, satire not OK. Does knabb@slip.net agree? > > >>This message is not commercial. Get off our list by writing mailto:remove@rtmark.com?subject=knabb@slip.net. >> >>November 5, 2000 >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >>VOTEAUCTION SATIRE ILLEGALLY SQUELCHED, WILL RE-OPEN IN HUNDREDS OF PLACES RTMark.com reveals its role, offers cash to the first person who can redirect the domain of a major candidate's website to http://62.116.31.68 >> >>Contact: >>Voteauction: mailto:pr@[62.116.31.68] >>http://62.116.31.68 >>Bill Jones: (916) 653-7244 >>ICANN: mailto:icann@icann.org >>Andy Mueller-Maguhn: mailto:andy@ccc.de Domain Bank: mailto:shemphill@domainbank.net Network Solutions: mailto:cregan@netsol.com RTMark: mailto:voteauction@rtmark.com >>http://rtmark.com/voteauction.html >>http://rtmark.com/etoynsi.html >> >>Voteauction, the satirical website which bills itself as "the only election platform channelling 'soft money' directly to the democracy consumer," has fallen victim to a heavy-handed and sometimes illegal campaign against free speech by two corporations and several public officials. >> >>On November 1, Network Solutions (the private for-profit corporation in charge of all .com, .net, and .org domains) shut down Vote-auction.com without warning or explanation, shortly after public attacks by the California Secretary of State, and after the Chicago Board of Elections filed an election fraud lawsuit against the domain. Neither the owners nor the service providers received any notification or warning of the shutdown, and Network Solutions has refused to comment on the issue. (See http://rtmark.com/etoynsi.html for an earlier example of illegal and still unexplained acts by the company.) >> >>California Secretary of State Bill Jones seems to have set the stage for this blatant disregard of Constitutional free speech protections by stating last week on CNN that corporate financing of elections is one subject that cannot be discussed: "whether this is a parody... makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California... because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process." (http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram) >> >>RTMark sponsored Voteauction.com in June (project VOTE, listed at http://rtmark.com/featured.html#VOTE) precisely because the satirical site helps highlight the ways corporations already effectively purchase votes. As law professor Jamin Raskin said about Voteauction, "...we have now evolved a system in which it's OK for money to buy elections, and yet we somehow cling to the fantasy that there's something deeply immoral about the purchase of an individual vote." >>(http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html) >> >>RTMark and many others believe that if U.S. authorities such as Bill Jones wish to purge the election process of corruption, they should start by preventing corporations from spending unlimited sums on electing particular candidates, not by stopping a satire that highlights the problem. As one commentator wrote, "few would disagree that the problem with money in politics today is the hundreds of millions of dollars at the top, not a few dollars at the bottom. Which is why the short-lived vote sale should be seen less as a serious act of sabotage and more as guerrilla theater." (http://slate.msn.com/netelection/entries/00-08-23_88646.asp) >> >>Network Solutions' illegal deletion of the Vote-auction.com domain is just the latest blow in a series of actions that have closed the satirical website three times since it opened in August. >> >>1: In August, Voteauction.com founder James Baumgartner, a graduate student, was told by New York State Board of Elections officials that they would press charges against him; they even implied that he could be guilty of treason, which is punishable by execution. Baumgartner, faced with what amounted to an official state-sponsored death threat, had little choice but to close the site on August 18, at which point RTMark helped transfer the domain to its current Austrian owner, Hans Bernhard, who immediately re-opened Voteauction.com with new features. >> >>2. On October 21, Domain Bank, the U.S. company with which Voteauction.com had been registered, illegally froze the domain. Bernhard responded by registering Vote-auction.com (with an added hyphen) with a company located outside U.S. jurisdiction. >> >>3: On November 1, to circumvent this approach, Network Solutions, without warning and in clear violation of international law, removed Vote-auction.com from its root servers (the computers that provide domain information to all others). It is unknown who requested this action, and under what authority Network Solutions feels justified in performing it. Andy Mueller-Maguhn, a newly-elected director of ICANN, the non-profit corporation responsible for all internet domains, agreed this was an illegal move and said "I guess we will have to do something about this." >> >>In response to Network Solution's attack, the Voteauction team has begun gathering Vote-auction and Voteauction domains around the world and is calling on other domain owners to point their domains or sub-domains to http://62.116.31.68, the Voteauction IP (IP addresses are not dependent on domain name registrars or on Internic). If you have a domain or sub-domain that you can point to http://62.116.31.68, please do so and forward the information to mailto:pr@[62.116.31.68] to be added to a list of supporters. >> >>In addition, RTMark has secured a $500 investment, of which $300 will be offered to the first person who can redirect the domain of a major US political candidate (for federal or state office) to http://62.116.31.68. The remaining $200 will be offered to the first person to re-route the domain of a major media outlet covering the elections to the Voteauction IP. >> >> >>RTMark's primary goal is to publicize corporate subversion of the democratic process. To this end it acts as a clearinghouse for anti-corporate projects. >> >># 30 # >> >>This message is not commercial. Get off our list by writing mailto:remove@rtmark.com?subject=knabb@slip.net. >> >>If you are receiving multiple copies of this release and would prefer to receive only one, remove as above all address versions but one. >> >> Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: Kevin LaPalme cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: culture jam oh my god, that's so dirty! fabulous. seems like it could be up hans's alley... he just has to maintain that voteauction is NOT a satire despite rtmark's declarations.... a bit exhuausted right now but this is very exciting... ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >Hi -- > > >I see that Hans looked at the site and also someone from RPI (would that be James of VoteAuction?). Reading the transcript of CNN report on the [V]ote Auction site gave me an idea. The part where they compare selling votes to selling babies and slaves. Part of the ePlanetBizWeb site is a welfare reform company called Family Privatization Services. This company could be reworked into an online brokering site for welfare families wishing to place (sell) their children into private homes, something like: > > >"FPS provides brokering services for welfare recipients who seek to place some or all of their children into the private sector. The FPS Family Exchange is an internet-based Family-to-Family (F2F) marketplace where buyers (private families) and Sellers (welfare families) meet to bid on the placement of children into private homes." > > >I bet you're all very busy now with election coming, so maybe afterward, if you'd be interested in developing this concept, let me know. > > >Kevin0100,0100,0100 > > >On 1 Nov 2000, at 0:00, RTMark admin wrote: > > >0000,0000,0000> WHOA! that's really fantastic. hans (cc'ed) has similar interests, and was > >>recently engaged in some privatization of the democratic process itself. > >>perhaps a joint venture? there's a wave of publicity around one of his > >>projects, that this might be perfect to ride on and complement, or > >>more.... > >>ray > >> > >>http://rtmark.com/ > >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >> > >>On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Eplanet BizWeb wrote: > >> > >>>What do I do with this: > >>> > >>>http://www.eplanetbizweb.com > >>> > >>>? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>__________________________________________________ > >>>Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! 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OK, so kann man das machen! >notwendige voraussetzung am mirror: php4 hab ich laufen, zwar mach ich fast alles mit mod_perl, aber z.B. fŸr den phpMyAdmin und so hab ich PHP4 laufen, sollte also problemlos gehen. >alvar: bzgl. ftp passwort und so: +43-699/10-477-490 oder pgp message :) wann willst du die seiten so abholen? reicht es 1x/tag um sagen wir 4:00 a.m. ? hmmm, ich hab hier grad kein Telefon, sitze in der Akademie. pgp und so hab ich schlauberger natŸrlich auch nicht (ja, ich wei§, ist nicht gerade gut ... ;) ). Vorschlag: Ich bastel Dir einen lokalen Account, auf den Du per SSH zugreifen kannst. Ich schick Dir das pw, Du machst sofort eine SSH-Verbindung zu der MŸhle, Šnderst das PW und dann sehn wir weiter. Talk ist auf der MŸhle drauf, dann kšnnen wir so quasseln (nur lokal). mit Mirroring und scp an sich hab ich keine Erfahrung, aber sollte ja kein Problem sein. Ich leg am besten beim Apache ein Alias an, dann liegt alles auf a-blast.org, assoziations-blaster.de, student.merz-akademie.de, online-demonstration.org und dpi-die-zukunft.de ;-) *HUAHAHA* Es ist jetzt schon etwas spŠter ;) aber ich bin noch laaaange da! Ciao Alvar -- Alvar C.H. Freude | alvar.freude@merz-akademie.de Demo: http://www.online-demonstration.org/ | Mach mit! Blast-DE: http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ | Blast-Dich-Fit Blast-EN: http://www.a-blast.org/ | Blast/english Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:50:45 +0100 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Importance: High Hallo Hans, anbei der (erste !) Entwurf fŸr unser Banner ... Linkst Du dieses in Eure Site ein ? 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: mailliz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 02:13:54 +0100 To: LSener@Think-Factory.de From: lizvlx Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com natuerlich! wird sofort gelinkt! und die source bleibt absolut. klar. inde der c't artikel ueber uns - cool.-...c't, cool. danke nochmal! best lizvlx ps: gib mir 5 min fuers uploaden etc. kannst du das schnell machen, pls und ihm antworten, thx hans Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:50:45 +0100 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Importance: High Hallo Hans, anbei der (erste !) Entwurf fŸr unser Banner ... Linkst Du dieses in Eure Site ein ? Think-Factory - make the complicated in IT simple and enjoyable Ich wŸrde mich freuen, wenn Ihr die SRC absolut lasst, damit ich (von einem "anstŠndigen" Designer !) einen schšneren Banner bekomme ... Habe vorhin in der C't einen Artikel Ÿber Euch gelesen, drŸcke Euch die Daumen ... ;-) TIA, Levend. PS: Leite "voteauction.de" gleich auf Eure Site um ... PPS: Bitte um BestŠtigung ;-) -----Original Message----- From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:54 PM To: Levend Sener Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? >Noch eine letzte Frage: _wo_ kommt der Banner dann hin ? auf index im frame unten, dort mit meta-refresh.. greetz hans >Gru§, >Sener > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] >>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:05 PM To: Levend Sener >>Subject: Re: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >> >> >>>Antwort an Absenderadresse hat nicht so recht geklappt ... >>also an "Hans". >> >>hi there >> >>banner size 468x60, sobald wir den haben bauen wir ihn ein, dann bitte va.de auf http://62.116.31.68/ >>linken, >> >>gruesse >>hans >> >>>Original-Text siehe roten Bereich. >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: WEBSTREME-Webmaster >> [<mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net>mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net] >>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:45 PM To: 'PR [V]ote-auction.com' >>>>Subject: RE: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>> >>>> >>>>Hallo, >>>> >>>>welche Grš§e/Format usw. soll denn das Banner haben ? >>>> >>>>GrŸ§e, >>>>Sener. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: PR [V]ote-auction.com >>[<mailto:PR@>mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] >>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:16 AM To: Levend Sener >>>>>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>Subject: Re: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:18:14 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: Kevin LaPalme cc: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: culture jam unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >What I was thinking was that since BizWeb, when thoroughly explored is obviously a parody, FPS could be spun off into its own domain, and the blatantly parodic elements could be removed, and a dynamically scripted marketplace section added to it. Like it would be nice if families could upload photos of themselves. > >The company's mission could be spun as a solution to the gaps opened up by welfare reform: parents required to work for welfare benefits don't have time to look after their children, the daycare system is already overburdened and prone to abuse; some welfare recipients, instead of moving on to workfare, have simply dropped off the rolls and have become homeless; by selling ("sectorizing"?) a child to the highest bidder both the family and the child get a chance at a fresh start; the market will show how truly valuable children are; it brings people from diverse backgrounds together and helps obliterate class lines; it's time to take stock of our youth... > > > >On 6 Nov 2000, at 10:54, frank guerrero wrote: > >>fantastic- absolutely fantastic- i'm going to bizweb with my next child! >> >>At 11:31 PM -0500 11/5/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>oh my god, that's so dirty! fabulous. seems like it could be up hans's alley... he just has to maintain that voteauction is NOT a satire despite rtmark's declarations.... >>> >>>a bit exhuausted right now but this is very exciting... >>> >>>ray >>> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >>> >>>>Hi -- >>>> >>>> >>>>I see that Hans looked at the site and also someone from RPI (would that be James of VoteAuction?). Reading the transcript of CNN report on the [V]ote Auction site gave me an idea. The part where they compare selling votes to selling babies and slaves. Part of the ePlanetBizWeb site is a welfare reform company called Family Privatization Services. This company could be reworked into an online brokering site for welfare families wishing to place (sell) their children into private homes, something like: >>>> >>>> >>>>"FPS provides brokering services for welfare recipients who seek to place some or all of their children into the private sector. The FPS Family Exchange is an internet-based Family-to-Family (F2F) marketplace where buyers (private families) and Sellers (welfare families) meet to bid on the placement of children into private homes." >>>> >>>> >>>>I bet you're all very busy now with election coming, so maybe afterward, if you'd be interested in developing this concept, let me know. > > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:50:05 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: Kevin LaPalme cc: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: culture jam Nice!! Or, here's a thought--perhaps the X-Auction format should be avoided, because maybe journalists will be so sensitive to this great hoax potential....they'll automatically assume it's a hoax because Voteauction was revealed.... just a thought, not sure.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >The site could be named WelfareAuction.com and when it's launched announce the intention to build a vertical network of auction sites: > >RoadwayAuction.net for the conversion of municipal streets to private toll roads > >WaterAuction.net for water systems and water rights > >EducationAuction.net for schools > >PublicParkAuction.net > >UtilityAuction.net > >and so on > > > >On 6 Nov 2000, at 17:18, RTMark admin wrote: > >>unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >> >>>What I was thinking was that since BizWeb, when thoroughly explored is obviously a parody, FPS could be spun off into its own domain, and the blatantly parodic elements could be removed, and a dynamically scripted marketplace section added to it. Like it would be nice if families could upload photos of themselves. >>> >>>The company's mission could be spun as a solution to the gaps opened up by welfare reform: parents required to work for welfare benefits don't have time to look after their children, the daycare system is already overburdened and prone to abuse; some welfare recipients, instead of moving on to workfare, have simply dropped off the rolls and have become homeless; by selling ("sectorizing"?) a child to the highest bidder both the family and the child get a chance at a fresh start; the market will show how truly valuable children are; it brings people from diverse backgrounds together and helps obliterate class lines; it's time to take stock of our youth... >>> >>> >>> >>>On 6 Nov 2000, at 10:54, frank guerrero wrote: >>> >>>>fantastic- absolutely fantastic- i'm going to bizweb with my next child! >>>> >>>>At 11:31 PM -0500 11/5/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>oh my god, that's so dirty! fabulous. seems like it could be up hans's alley... he just has to maintain that voteauction is NOT a satire despite rtmark's declarations.... >>>>> >>>>>a bit exhuausted right now but this is very exciting... >>>>> >>>>>ray >>>>> >>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>> >>>>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I see that Hans looked at the site and also someone from RPI (would that be James of VoteAuction?). Reading the transcript of CNN report on the [V]ote Auction site gave me an idea. The part where they compare selling votes to selling babies and slaves. Part of the ePlanetBizWeb site is a welfare reform company called Family Privatization Services. This company could be reworked into an online brokering site for welfare families wishing to place (sell) their children into private homes, something like: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"FPS provides brokering services for welfare recipients who seek to place some or all of their children into the private sector. The FPS Family Exchange is an internet-based Family-to-Family (F2F) marketplace where buyers (private families) and Sellers (welfare families) meet to bid on the placement of children into private homes." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I bet you're all very busy now with election coming, so maybe afterward, if you'd be interested in developing this concept, let me know. >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >>> >> >>. >>your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >>>http://im.yahoo.com >>> >> >>. > > > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Apparently-From: From: "Kevin LaPalme" To: RTMark admin Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:31:30 -0500 Subject: Re: culture jam CC: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Priority: normal The site could be named WelfareAuction.com and when it's launched announce the intention to build a vertical network of auction sites: RoadwayAuction.net for the conversion of municipal streets to private toll roads WaterAuction.net for water systems and water rights EducationAuction.net for schools PublicParkAuction.net UtilityAuction.net and so on On 6 Nov 2000, at 17:18, RTMark admin wrote: >unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: > >>What I was thinking was that since BizWeb, when thoroughly explored is obviously a parody, FPS could be spun off into its own domain, and the blatantly parodic elements could be removed, and a dynamically scripted marketplace section added to it. Like it would be nice if families could upload photos of themselves. >> >>The company's mission could be spun as a solution to the gaps opened up by welfare reform: parents required to work for welfare benefits don't have time to look after their children, the daycare system is already overburdened and prone to abuse; some welfare recipients, instead of moving on to workfare, have simply dropped off the rolls and have become homeless; by selling ("sectorizing"?) a child to the highest bidder both the family and the child get a chance at a fresh start; the market will show how truly valuable children are; it brings people from diverse backgrounds together and helps obliterate class lines; it's time to take stock of our youth... >> >> >> >>On 6 Nov 2000, at 10:54, frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>fantastic- absolutely fantastic- i'm going to bizweb with my next child! >>> >>>At 11:31 PM -0500 11/5/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>oh my god, that's so dirty! fabulous. seems like it could be up hans's alley... he just has to maintain that voteauction is NOT a satire despite rtmark's declarations.... >>>> >>>>a bit exhuausted right now but this is very exciting... >>>> >>>>ray >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I see that Hans looked at the site and also someone from RPI (would that be James of VoteAuction?). Reading the transcript of CNN report on the [V]ote Auction site gave me an idea. The part where they compare selling votes to selling babies and slaves. Part of the ePlanetBizWeb site is a welfare reform company called Family Privatization Services. This company could be reworked into an online brokering site for welfare families wishing to place (sell) their children into private homes, something like: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"FPS provides brokering services for welfare recipients who seek to place some or all of their children into the private sector. The FPS Family Exchange is an internet-based Family-to-Family (F2F) marketplace where buyers (private families) and Sellers (welfare families) meet to bid on the placement of children into private homes." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I bet you're all very busy now with election coming, so maybe afterward, if you'd be interested in developing this concept, let me know. >> >> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >> > >. >your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >>http://im.yahoo.com >> > >. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comDelivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Apparently-From: From: "Kevin LaPalme" To: RTMark admin Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 21:51:01 -0500 Subject: Re: culture jam CC: hans@ubermorgen.com Priority: normal Hi -- I see that Hans looked at the site and also someone from RPI (would that be James of VoteAuction?). Reading the transcript of CNN report on the [V]ote Auction site gave me an idea. The part where they compare selling votes to selling babies and slaves. Part of the ePlanetBizWeb site is a welfare reform company called Family Privatization Services. This company could be reworked into an online brokering site for welfare families wishing to place (sell) their children into private homes, something like: "FPS provides brokering services for welfare recipients who seek to place some or all of their children into the private sector. The FPS Family Exchange is an internet-based Family-to-Family (F2F) marketplace where buyers (private families) and Sellers (welfare families) meet to bid on the placement of children into private homes." I bet you're all very busy now with election coming, so maybe afterward, if you'd be interested in developing this concept, let me know. Kevin On 1 Nov 2000, at 0:00, RTMark admin wrote: >WHOA! that's really fantastic. hans (cc'ed) has similar interests, and was recently engaged in some privatization of the democratic process itself. perhaps a joint venture? there's a wave of publicity around one of his projects, that this might be perfect to ride on and complement, or more.... >ray > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Eplanet BizWeb wrote: > >>What do I do with this: >> >>http://www.eplanetbizweb.com >> >>? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. >>http://experts.yahoo.com/ >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:43:49 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: confidental >>unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! > >hey ray > >we are just changing directions.. sort of have to.. hehehe... > >could you give us some of the best fake sites you know.. some of y/own, however.. just the best ones.. > >would be very happy if you could read our beta- version of the press.release and give me quick-feed- back.. > >thx: >hans wow! ok, here goes: > > > >----just beta!!!-----> > > >SUBJECT: [V]ote-auction announces end-results > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >-------------------------------------------------------- > >[V]ote-auction announces end-results of grand auction > >-------------------------------------------------------- > >Vienna/Berlin, November 6th, 2000, 6pm CET > >Below you find the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: Below is the... > >http://62.116.31.68 >[formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. > >You can also find this press release at http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm > >For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines: > >berlin +49-175-2066954 >vienna +43 676 9300061 > >it's different because it's absolutely different:: [V]ote-auction http://62.116.31.68 >------------------------------------------------------- > > >[V] Intro > >Vote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to annnounce the end-results of the grand - or acurately said - notorious the grand - or, perhaps more accurately, notorious - vote-auction game. >vote-auction game. Many acted as if they had actually considered Many participants acted... >it a real business, well, in fact it was a real-life game for business; in fact, it was indeed a >voters who finally had found a way to face what their vote was worth. And for us, the creators, it turned out to be les of a service and less >more of a legal rollercoaster. > > >[V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Cartoon? Business? > >Lot has been said about how to distinguish between a real business Lots >and a "cartoon in a sunday newspaper". Most of the nice sayings no quotes Most of these nice sayings >are true for the offline world - on the net, things are different. - but on the net, >Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial playground a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have learned. Try these sites and check out if you know it if they are for real: > >http://www.mslinux.com >http://www.fpo.at >http:// ours: http://yesrudy.com http://gatt.org http://rtmark.com/gwbush/ will find others > >There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why it is called an interlinked system and not a book. You better You'd >learn the differnence now, if not, you might fall for a real prank. > > >[V] Who is suing whom? > >. Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers >reason: "selling votes" >status: injunction order >. Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers >reason: "false promises to consumers" >status: injunction order >. Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our providers >reason: "selling and buying of votes" >status: injunction order >. diverse "investigations" by attorney generals e.a. running what's e.a.? >reason: diverse >status: unknown >. Vote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland >reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service status: preparation > >it seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre of action-art: legal art. appearantly it is even not so much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal most, but the people in u.s. legal offices... > >Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped, as it will turned out, even to the legal folk, that there are as it will be obvious, even... >people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is not us. We gave you the showcase. The real dealers do their business in the shady rooms of expensive clubs. actually, they do it in the halls of power, in washington and elsewhere, quite openly, in front of everyone... lobbyists and campaign funding is entirely open... > > >[V] Campaigning for our rights > >We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support we need and enjoy. To those who dispise us: Thank you also! despise >We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active support and intelligent moves of communication. modes >To those who think that we have now given up: Come on. We have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is, at the time, NOT a free place. It is controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is basically owned by the U.S. ministry of commerce [well, then maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the Ministery]. If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike time - just do it! >Zynical? No. Realistic. Cynical > > >[V] What is new on the Site > >We have opened our site to the public, so every-one can see everyone >for themselves what is happening. Feel free to access the for him or herself what is... >user database - and do not be surprised to find no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice... >What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody who dared to play vote-auction. If you ask yourself if the numbers are real - that is an intelligent question, but has never been answered on the net. Neither can we. You will have to be quick to access the site - we will put it offline by November 8th - when the game is over, the players have to go home. > > > >[V] Final note > >We wish all 3 candidates the best of luck for Election Day, and may the guy with the best looks - oops, sorry, the best ideas and intentions, win. intentions - win. > >Good bye to you, you have been a great audience! Goodbye > > >[V] credits > >James Baumgartner >SILVER SERVER >enemy.org >joker.com >hell.com >pixelmassaker.com >cnn.com > > >For the Vote-auction team > > >lizvlx hans >the-woman-behind the-guy-who-gets-sued > >[V]ote-auction > > >PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: > >pr@[62.116.31.68] >http://62.116.31.68 > >We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of the old addresses. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:21:56 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: culture jam hehhehehe... so are you actually being threatened now over voteauction? is there something new happening? onwards! r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! > >for sure! > >probably have to operate it from some banana-republic, and you need a special army in order to protect y-self from american troops.. hehehe.. and some autonomous internet run by yourself.. :) > >those bastards are so fucking agressive, glad you never crossed the line too far and got sued to death.. > >but.. on the other side, sort of enjoying it.. > >kevin should do it and then sell it to some real thailand slave/women trading company,, > >greetZ >hans > > >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >> >>>What I was thinking was that since BizWeb, when thoroughly explored is obviously a parody, FPS could be spun off into its own domain, and the blatantly parodic elements could be removed, and a dynamically scripted marketplace section added to it. Like it would be nice if families could upload photos of themselves. >>> >>>The company's mission could be spun as a solution to the gaps opened up by welfare reform: parents required to work for welfare benefits don't have time to look after their children, the daycare system is already overburdened and prone to abuse; some welfare recipients, instead of moving on to workfare, have simply dropped off the rolls and have become homeless; by selling ("sectorizing"?) a child to the highest bidder both the family and the child get a chance at a fresh start; the market will show how truly valuable children are; it brings people from diverse backgrounds together and helps obliterate class lines; it's time to take stock of our youth... >>> >>> >>> >>>On 6 Nov 2000, at 10:54, frank guerrero wrote: >>> >>>>fantastic- absolutely fantastic- i'm going to bizweb with my next child! >>>> >>>>At 11:31 PM -0500 11/5/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>oh my god, that's so dirty! fabulous. seems like it could be up hans's alley... he just has to maintain that voteauction is NOT a satire despite rtmark's declarations.... >>>>> >>>>>a bit exhuausted right now but this is very exciting... >>>>> >>>>>ray >>>>> >>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>> >>>>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I see that Hans looked at the site and also someone from RPI (would that be James of VoteAuction?). Reading the transcript of CNN report on the [V]ote Auction site gave me an idea. The part where they compare selling votes to selling babies and slaves. Part of the ePlanetBizWeb site is a welfare reform company called Family Privatization Services. This company could be reworked into an online brokering site for welfare families wishing to place (sell) their children into private homes, something like: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"FPS provides brokering services for welfare recipients who seek to place some or all of their children into the private sector. The FPS Family Exchange is an internet-based Family-to-Family (F2F) marketplace where buyers (private families) and Sellers (welfare families) meet to bid on the placement of children into private homes." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I bet you're all very busy now with election coming, so maybe afterward, if you'd be interested in developing this concept, let me know. >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:30:57 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: confidental gruess gott i think it's pretty good, but could change it a bit, and how about waiting till after the election to release it? as a kind of summing up. could have a phrase then like "the results are in--the campaign with millions of dollars of corporate funding won" or "corporate funding won" or something.... could explain the system: like "hundreds of millions of dollars made their way from corporate coffers all the way to the voters, via p.r. agencies and television ads. unfortunately, the voters never received a penny, though their votes were bought as surely as if they had been paid in cash." (that's very poorly phrased, but that sort of thing.) could really sum up the basic idea very clearly and concisely, a post-election wrap-up, the media love to do that sort of thing. could try to step into opinion pieces across america by coming off as experts on election ethics... dunno.... r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! >>> >>>hey ray > >ola > >thx a lot for the corrections.. ! >i am just implementing them.. > >so whaddaya think ? this version >just a beta.. > >is this a way it could be played? >any better way? any input would be >appreciated.. > >hans > > >>> >>>we are just changing directions.. sort of have to.. hehehe... >>> >>>could you give us some of the best fake sites you know.. some of y/own, however.. just the best ones.. >>> >>>would be very happy if you could read our beta- version of the press.release and give me quick-feed- back.. >>> >>>thx: >>>hans >> >>wow! ok, here goes: >> >>> >>> >>> >>>----just beta!!!-----> >>> >>> >>>SUBJECT: [V]ote-auction announces end-results >>> >>> >>> >>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>[V]ote-auction announces end-results of grand auction >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Vienna/Berlin, November 6th, 2000, 6pm CET >>> >>>Below you find the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: >> >>Below is the... >> >>> >>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>[formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. >>> >>>You can also find this press release at http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>> >>>For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines: >>> >>>berlin +49-175-2066954 >>>vienna +43 676 9300061 >>> >>>it's different because it's absolutely different:: [V]ote-auction http://62.116.31.68 >>>------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>>[V] Intro >>> >>>Vote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to annnounce the end-results of the grand - or acurately said - notorious >> >>the grand - or, perhaps more accurately, notorious - vote-auction game. >> >>>vote-auction game. Many acted as if they had actually considered >> >>Many participants acted... >> >>>it a real business, well, in fact it was a real-life game for >> >>business; in fact, it was indeed a >> >>>voters who finally had found a way to face what their vote was worth. And for us, the creators, it turned out to be les of a service and >> >>less >> >>>more of a legal rollercoaster. >>> >>> >>>[V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Cartoon? Business? >>> >>>Lot has been said about how to distinguish between a real business >> >>Lots >> >>>and a "cartoon in a sunday newspaper". Most of the nice sayings >> >>no quotes >>Most of these nice sayings >> >>>are true for the offline world - on the net, things are different. >> >>- but on the net, >> >>>Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial playground a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have learned. Try these sites and check out if you know it if they are for real: >>> >>>http://www.mslinux.com >>>http://www.fpo.at >>>http:// >> >>ours: >>http://yesrudy.com >>http://gatt.org >>http://rtmark.com/gwbush/ >> >>will find others >> >>> >>>There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why it is called an interlinked system and not a book. You better >> >>You'd >> >>>learn the differnence now, if not, you might fall for a real prank. >>> >>> >>>[V] Who is suing whom? >>> >>>. Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers >>>reason: "selling votes" >>>status: injunction order >>>. Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers >>>reason: "false promises to consumers" status: injunction order >>>. Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our providers >>>reason: "selling and buying of votes" status: injunction order >>>. diverse "investigations" by attorney generals e.a. running >> >>what's e.a.? >> >>>reason: diverse >>>status: unknown >>>. Vote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland >>>reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service status: preparation >>> >>>it seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre >>>of action-art: legal art. appearantly it is even not so much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal most, but the people in u.s. legal offices... >>> >>>Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped, as it will turned out, even to the legal folk, that there are >> >>as it will be obvious, even... >> >>>people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is not us. We gave you the showcase. The real dealers do their business in the shady rooms of expensive clubs. >> >>actually, they do it in the halls of power, in washington and elsewhere, quite openly, in front of everyone... lobbyists and campaign funding is entirely open... >> >>> >>> >>>[V] Campaigning for our rights >>> >>>We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support we need and enjoy. To those who dispise us: Thank you also! >> >>despise >> >>>We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active support and intelligent moves of communication. >> >>modes >> >>>To those who think that we have now given up: Come on. We have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is, at the time, NOT a free place. It is controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is basically owned by the U.S. ministry of commerce [well, then maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the Ministery]. If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike time - just do it! >>>Zynical? No. Realistic. >> >>Cynical >> >>> >>> >>>[V] What is new on the Site >>> >>>We have opened our site to the public, so every-one can see >> >>everyone >> >>>for themselves what is happening. Feel free to access the >> >>for him or herself what is... >> >>>user database - and do not be surprised to find no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice... >>>What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody who dared to play vote-auction. If you ask yourself if the numbers are real - that is an intelligent question, but has never been answered on the net. Neither can we. You will have to be quick to access the site - we will put it offline by November 8th - when the game is over, the players have to go home. >>> >>> >>> >>>[V] Final note >>> >>>We wish all 3 candidates the best of luck for Election Day, and may the guy with the best looks - oops, sorry, the best ideas and intentions, win. >> >>intentions - win. >> >>> >>>Good bye to you, you have been a great audience! >> >>Goodbye >> >>> >>> >>>[V] credits >>> >>>James Baumgartner >>>SILVER SERVER >>>enemy.org >>>joker.com >>>hell.com >>>pixelmassaker.com >>>cnn.com >>> >>> >>>For the Vote-auction team >>> >>> >>>lizvlx hans >>>the-woman-behind the-guy-who-gets-sued >>> >>>[V]ote-auction >>> >>> >>>PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >>> >>>pr@[62.116.31.68] >>>http://62.116.31.68 >>> >>>We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of the old addresses. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:36:44 +0100 (CET) From: aaron To: Alvar Freude cc: net_CALLBOY , liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: va, mirror Hallo, ok, mirror is von meiner seite fuers testen fertig. pwd per pgp oder tel. es wird jetzt immer um 4:00 a.m. ein "va.tgz" file erstellt. hol dir mal die aktuelle kopie und schau, wie dus einbauen kannst. es werden wahrscheinlich noch ein paar dinge nicht funken. da musz ich halt dann noch ein skript drueber laufen lassen bevors exportiert wird. liz: im forum.inc sollte statt localhost 62.116.31.68 stehen, sodasz alvars mirror auf die master db zugreift. evtl. da einen neuen db user anlegen? alvar: mir waers u.U lieber wenn du das .tgz file per scp statt ftp abholen koenntest is aber vielleicht paranoid :) aaron. >>unser security experte und kuemmert sich um solche > > sachen... das waer top! > >Also, ich kann hier alles spiegeln, z.B. auf http://a-blast.org/ > > >Allerdings kann ich keine Subdomains einrichten, die dann auf Eure IP zeigen, da ich keine eigenen Nameserver habe. > > >Die Vote-Auction-Sachen sind ja teilweise mit Scripts -- beim Mirror dürfte das das einzge Problem sein ... > > > >Dragan schlägt gerade vor: >Die Front-Seite hier ablegen und die Unterseite zeigt wieder auf die IP. > > >Ein komplett-Mirror ist aber natürlich auch OK, wie ihr wollt ;) > > >Ciao >Alvar > --- 1-2-3 rob4 Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:28:06 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: confidental >>i think it's pretty good, but could change it a bit, and how about waiting till after the election to release it? as a kind of summing up. could have a phrase then like "the results are in--the campaign with millions of dollars of corporate funding won" or "corporate funding won" or something.... could explain the system: like "hundreds of millions of dollars made their way from corporate coffers all the way to the voters, via p.r. agencies and television ads. unfortunately, the voters never received a penny, though their votes were bought as surely as if they had been paid in cash." (that's very poorly phrased, but that sort of thing.) > >ok, thx for feedback, release is out. we had to send it out before the elections start.. couldnt wait, although i would have wanted to.. that's ok, i guess there's always time for another. i didn't get a copy of this one, i don't think--can you send another? >>could really sum up the basic idea very clearly and concisely, a post-election wrap-up, the media love to do that sort of thing. could try to step into opinion pieces across america by coming off as experts on election ethics... dunno.... > >exactly, this is gone happen, suggestions very much appreciated! if you have ammunition for this just drop it over and we will build it in.. ok, frank and i could start working on something that takes off from the "hundreds of millions" phrase in first para maybe... >ok, at this point of time, have to say thank you very much for bringing this action/mess to us :), thank you very much for the collaboration, consulting and press.release... greetz to james if you hear him, i hope he and we will be invited to some panels and festivals, so at last i will meet him and we can discuss the thing and the future of it, credits, etc.. you're welcome! and thank YOU, it's really you who saved this mess from a premature death--james wanted to get rid of it, and you saved it. your nerves of steel allowed it to continue through these countless lawsuits. it was very fun. take care ray > >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>>>>unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! >>>>> >>>>>hey ray >>> >>>ola >>> >>>thx a lot for the corrections.. ! >>>i am just implementing them.. >>> >>>so whaddaya think ? this version >>>just a beta.. >>> >>>is this a way it could be played? >>>any better way? any input would be >>>appreciated.. >>> >>>hans >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>>we are just changing directions.. sort of have to.. hehehe... >>>>> >>>>>could you give us some of the best fake sites you know.. some of y/own, however.. just the best ones.. >>>>> >>>>>would be very happy if you could read our beta- version of the press.release and give me quick-feed- back.. >>>>> >>>>>thx: >>>>>hans >>>> >>>>wow! ok, here goes: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----just beta!!!-----> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>SUBJECT: [V]ote-auction announces end-results >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>>> >>>>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>>[V]ote-auction announces end-results of grand auction >>>>> >>>>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>>Vienna/Berlin, November 6th, 2000, 6pm CET >>>>> >>>>>Below you find the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: >>>> >>>>Below is the... >>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>>>[formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. >>>>> >>>>>You can also find this press release at http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>>>> >>>>>For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines: >>>>> >>>>>berlin +49-175-2066954 >>>>>vienna +43 676 9300061 >>>>> >>>>>it's different because it's absolutely different:: [V]ote-auction http://62.116.31.68 >>>>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[V] Intro >>>>> >>>>>Vote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to annnounce the end-results of the grand - or acurately said - notorious >>>> >>>>the grand - or, perhaps more accurately, notorious - vote-auction game. >>>> >>>>>vote-auction game. Many acted as if they had actually considered >>>> >>>>Many participants acted... >>>> >>>>>it a real business, well, in fact it was a real-life game for >>>> >>>>business; in fact, it was indeed a >>>> >>>>>voters who finally had found a way to face what their vote was worth. And for us, the creators, it turned out to be les of a service and >>>> >>>>less >>>> >>>>>more of a legal rollercoaster. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Cartoon? Business? >>>>> >>>>>Lot has been said about how to distinguish between a real business >>>> >>>>Lots >>>> >>>>>and a "cartoon in a sunday newspaper". Most of the nice sayings >>>> >>>>no quotes >>>>Most of these nice sayings >>>> >>>>>are true for the offline world - on the net, things are different. >>>> >>>>- but on the net, >>>> >>>>>Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial playground a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have learned. Try these sites and check out if you know it if they are for real: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.mslinux.com >>>>>http://www.fpo.at >>>>>http:// >>>> >>>>ours: >>>>http://yesrudy.com >>>>http://gatt.org >>>>http://rtmark.com/gwbush/ >>>> >>>>will find others >>>> >>>>> >>>>>There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why it is called an interlinked system and not a book. You better >>>> >>>>You'd >>>> >>>>>learn the differnence now, if not, you might fall for a real prank. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[V] Who is suing whom? >>>>> >>>>>. Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers >>>>>reason: "selling votes" >>>>>status: injunction order >>>>>. Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers >>>>>reason: "false promises to consumers" status: injunction order >>>>>. Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our providers >>>>>reason: "selling and buying of votes" status: injunction order >>>>>. diverse "investigations" by attorney generals e.a. running >>>> >>>>what's e.a.? >>>> >>>>>reason: diverse >>>>>status: unknown >>>>>. Vote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland >>>>>reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service status: preparation >>>>> >>>>>it seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre >>>>>of action-art: legal art. appearantly it is even not so much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal most, but the people in u.s. legal offices... >>>>> >>>>>Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped, as it will turned out, even to the legal folk, that there are >>>> >>>>as it will be obvious, even... >>>> >>>>>people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is not us. We gave you the showcase. The real dealers do their business in the shady rooms of expensive clubs. >>>> >>>>actually, they do it in the halls of power, in washington and elsewhere, quite openly, in front of everyone... lobbyists and campaign funding is entirely open... >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[V] Campaigning for our rights >>>>> >>>>>We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support we need and enjoy. To those who dispise us: Thank you also! >>>> >>>>despise >>>> >>>>>We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active support and intelligent moves of communication. >>>> >>>>modes >>>> >>>>>To those who think that we have now given up: Come on. We have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is, at the time, NOT a free place. It is controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is basically owned by the U.S. ministry of commerce [well, then maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the Ministery]. If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike time - just do it! >>>>>Zynical? No. Realistic. >>>> >>>>Cynical >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[V] What is new on the Site >>>>> >>>>>We have opened our site to the public, so every-one can see >>>> >>>>everyone >>>> >>>>>for themselves what is happening. Feel free to access the >>>> >>>>for him or herself what is... >>>> >>>>>user database - and do not be surprised to find no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice... >>>>>What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody who dared to play vote-auction. If you ask yourself if the numbers are real - that is an intelligent question, but has never been answered on the net. Neither can we. You will have to be quick to access the site - we will put it offline by November 8th - when the game is over, the players have to go home. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[V] Final note >>>>> >>>>>We wish all 3 candidates the best of luck for Election Day, and may the guy with the best looks - oops, sorry, the best ideas and intentions, win. >>>> >>>>intentions - win. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Good bye to you, you have been a great audience! >>>> >>>>Goodbye >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[V] credits >>>>> >>>>>James Baumgartner >>>>>SILVER SERVER >>>>>enemy.org >>>>>joker.com >>>>>hell.com >>>>>pixelmassaker.com >>>>>cnn.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>For the Vote-auction team >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>lizvlx hans >>>>>the-woman-behind the-guy-who-gets-sued >>>>> >>>>>[V]ote-auction >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >>>>> >>>>>pr@[62.116.31.68] >>>>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>>> >>>>>We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of the old addresses. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:19:37 -0500 To: RTMark admin , net_CALLBOY From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: confidental Cc: liz@ubermorgen.com could put some work into this later... gotta go vote... frank At 10:28 AM -0500 11/7/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>i think it's pretty good, but could change it a bit, and how about waiting till after the election to release it? as a kind of summing up. could have a phrase then like "the results are in--the campaign with millions of dollars of corporate funding won" or "corporate funding won" or something.... could explain the system: like "hundreds of millions of dollars made their way from corporate coffers all the way to the voters, via p.r. agencies and television ads. unfortunately, the voters never received a penny, though their votes were bought as surely as if they had been paid in cash." (that's very poorly phrased, but that sort of thing.) >> >>ok, thx for feedback, release is out. we had to send it out before the elections start.. couldnt wait, although i would have wanted to.. > >that's ok, i guess there's always time for another. i didn't get a copy of this one, i don't think--can you send another? > >>>could really sum up the basic idea very clearly and concisely, a post-election wrap-up, the media love to do that sort of thing. could try to step into opinion pieces across america by coming off as experts on election ethics... dunno.... >> >>exactly, this is gone happen, suggestions very much appreciated! if you have ammunition for this just drop it over and we will build it in.. > >ok, frank and i could start working on something that takes off from the "hundreds of millions" phrase in first para maybe... > >>ok, at this point of time, have to say thank you very much for bringing this action/mess to us :), thank you very much for the collaboration, consulting and press.release... greetz to james if you hear him, i hope he and we will be invited to some panels and festivals, so at last i will meet him and we can discuss the thing and the future of it, credits, etc.. > >you're welcome! and thank YOU, it's really you who saved this mess from a premature death--james wanted to get rid of it, and you saved it. your nerves of steel allowed it to continue through these countless lawsuits. it was very fun. > >take care >ray > > >> >>>r >>> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>>On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>> >>>>>>>unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! >>>>>> >>>>>>hey ray >>>> >>>>ola >>>> >>>>thx a lot for the corrections.. ! >>>>i am just implementing them.. >>>> >>>>so whaddaya think ? this version >>>>just a beta.. >>>> >>>>is this a way it could be played? >>>>any better way? any input would be >>>>appreciated.. >>>> >>>>hans >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>we are just changing directions.. sort of have to.. hehehe... >>>>>> >>>>>>could you give us some of the best fake sites you know.. some of y/own, however.. just the best ones.. >>>>>> >>>>>>would be very happy if you could read our beta- version of the press.release and give me quick-feed- back.. >>>>>> >>>>>>thx: >>>>>>hans >>>>> >>>>>wow! ok, here goes: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----just beta!!!-----> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>SUBJECT: [V]ote-auction announces end-results >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>>>> >>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>>[V]ote-auction announces end-results of grand auction >>>>>> >>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>>Vienna/Berlin, November 6th, 2000, 6pm CET >>>>>> >>>>>>Below you find the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: >>>>> >>>>>Below is the... >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://62.116.31.68 >>>>>>[formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. >>>>>> >>>>>>You can also find this press release at http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm >>>>>> >>>>>>For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines: >>>>>> >>>>>>berlin +49-175-2066954 >>>>>>vienna +43 676 9300061 >>>>>> >>>>>>it's different because it's absolutely different:: [V]ote-auction http://62.116.31.68 >>>>>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>[V] Intro >>>>>> >>>>>>Vote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to annnounce the end-results of the grand - or acurately said - notorious >>>>> >>>>>the grand - or, perhaps more accurately, notorious - vote-auction game. >>>>> >>>>>>vote-auction game. Many acted as if they had actually considered >>>>> >>>>>Many participants acted... >>>>> >>>>>>it a real business, well, in fact it was a real-life game for >>>>> >>>>>business; in fact, it was indeed a >>>>> >>>>>>voters who finally had found a way to face what their vote was >>worth. >>>>>>And for us, the creators, it turned out to be les of a service and >>>>> >>>>>less >>>>> >>>>>>more of a legal rollercoaster. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>[V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Cartoon? Business? >>>>>> >>>>>>Lot has been said about how to distinguish between a real business >>>>> >>>>>Lots >>>>> >>>>>>and a "cartoon in a sunday newspaper". Most of the nice sayings >>>>> >>>>>no quotes >>>>>Most of these nice sayings >>>>> >>>>>>are true for the offline world - on the net, things are different. >>>>> >>>>>- but on the net, >>>>> >>>>>>Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial >>playground >>>>>>a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have learned. Try these sites and check out if you know it if they are for real: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.mslinux.com >>>>>>http://www.fpo.at >>>>>>http:// >>>>> >>>>>ours: >>>>>http://yesrudy.com >>>>>http://gatt.org >>>>>http://rtmark.com/gwbush/ >>>>> >>>>>will find others >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why it is called an interlinked system and not a book. You better >>>>> >>>>>You'd >>>>> >>>>>>learn the differnence now, if not, you might fall for a real prank. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>[V] Who is suing whom? >>>>>> >>>>>>. Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers >>>>>>reason: "selling votes" >>>>>>status: injunction order >>>>>>. Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers >>>>>>reason: "false promises to consumers" status: injunction order >>>>>>. Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our >>providers >>>>>>reason: "selling and buying of votes" status: injunction order >>>>>>. diverse "investigations" by attorney generals e.a. running >>>>> >>>>>what's e.a.? >>>>> >>>>>>reason: diverse >>>>>>status: unknown >>>>>>. Vote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland >>>>>>reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service status: preparation >>>>>> >>>>>>it seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre >>>>>>of action-art: legal art. appearantly it is even not so much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal most, but the people in u.s. legal offices... >>>>>> >>>>>>Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped, as it will turned out, even to the legal folk, that there are >>>>> >>>>>as it will be obvious, even... >>>>> >>>>>>people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is not us. We gave you the showcase. The real dealers do their business in the shady rooms of expensive clubs. >>>>> >>>>>actually, they do it in the halls of power, in washington and >>elsewhere, >>>>>quite openly, in front of everyone... lobbyists and campaign funding is entirely open... >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>[V] Campaigning for our rights >>>>>> >>>>>>We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support we need and enjoy. To those who dispise us: Thank you also! >>>>> >>>>>despise >>>>> >>>>>>We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active support and intelligent moves of communication. >>>>> >>>>>modes >>>>> >>>>>>To those who think that we have now given up: Come on. We have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is, at the time, NOT a free place. It is controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is basically owned by the U.S. ministry of commerce [well, then maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the Ministery]. If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike time - just do it! >>>>>>Zynical? No. Realistic. >>>>> >>>>>Cynical >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>[V] What is new on the Site >>>>>> >>>>>>We have opened our site to the public, so every-one can see >>>>> >>>>>everyone >>>>> >>>>>>for themselves what is happening. Feel free to access the >>>>> >>>>>for him or herself what is... >>>>> >>>>>>user database - and do not be surprised to find no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice... >>>>>>What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody who dared to play vote-auction. If you ask yourself if the numbers are real - that is an intelligent question, but has never been answered on the net. Neither can we. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:27:15 +0100 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Hallo Hans, da habe ich doch eine (naheliegende !) Idee: hast Du/habt Ihr Interesse "voteauction.de" zu kaufen ? Schlage einen Preis vor ... Gru§, Levend Sener >-----Original Message----- >From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:54 PM >To: Levend Sener >Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? > > >>Noch eine letzte Frage: _wo_ kommt der Banner dann hin ? > >auf index im frame unten, dort mit meta-refresh.. greetz >hans > >>Gru§, >>Sener >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:05 PM >>>To: Levend Sener >>>Subject: Re: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>> >>> >>>>Antwort an Absenderadresse hat nicht so recht geklappt ... >>>also an "Hans". >>> >>>hi there >>> >>>banner size 468x60, sobald wir den haben bauen wir ihn ein, dann bitte va.de auf http://62.116.31.68/ linken, >>> >>>gruesse >>>hans >>> >>>>Original-Text siehe roten Bereich. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: WEBSTREME-Webmaster >>>>>[mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net] >>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:45 PM To: 'PR [V]ote-auction.com' >>>>>Subject: RE: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hallo, >>>>> >>>>>welche Grš§e/Format usw. soll denn das Banner haben ? >>>>> >>>>>GrŸ§e, >>>>>Sener. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: PR [V]ote-auction.com >>>[mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:16 AM To: Levend Sener >>>>>>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>Subject: Re: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: "'lizvlx'" , "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: ihr seid live geschalten Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:23:23 +0100 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Importance: High Hi, tut Ihr mir/uns (Think-Factory) einen ganz gro§en Gefallen ? Entfernt Ihr alle Links/Meldungen Ÿber die TF und ersetzt sie durch mich persšnlich - "Levend Sener Softwaretechnik" ? Ich bin zwar Mitgesellschafter der Think-Factory, allerdings mšchte mein Partner ungerne in die Publicity um Vote-Auction mit hineingezogen werden - ich bin aber dabei !! ;-) Das Think-Factory-Banner ersetze ich durch ein anderes, (mein) eigenes ... Danke, Levend Sener PS: Bitte um kurze BestŠtigung ... :-)) >-----Original Message----- >From: lizvlx [mailto:liz@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 2:34 AM To: LSener@Think-Factory.de >Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >Subject: ihr seid live geschalten >Importance: High > > >danke nochmal! > >you are live. >best >lizvlx > > >> >>>Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:50:45 +0100 >>>X-Priority: 1 (Highest) >>>Importance: High >>> >>>Hallo Hans, >>> >>>anbei der (erste !) Entwurf fŸr unser Banner ... Linkst Du dieses in Eure Site ein ? >>> >>>>>src="http://ww >w.think-factory.de/images/TF_VA.gif" >>>lowsrc="Think-Factory" alt="Think-Factory - make the complicated in IT simple and enjoyable" width="468" height="60"> >>> >>> >>>Ich wŸrde mich freuen, wenn Ihr die SRC absolut lasst, damit ich (von einem "anstŠndigen" Designer !) einen schšneren Banner bekomme ... >>>Habe vorhin in der C't einen Artikel Ÿber Euch gelesen, drŸcke Euch die Daumen ... ;-) >>> >>>TIA, >>>Levend. >>> >>>PS: Leite "voteauction.de" gleich auf Eure Site um ... PPS: Bitte um BestŠtigung ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: net_CALLBOY >[mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] >>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:54 PM To: Levend Sener >>>>Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? >>>> >>>> >>>>>Noch eine letzte Frage: _wo_ kommt der Banner dann hin ? >>>> >>>>auf index im frame unten, dort mit meta-refresh.. greetz >>>>hans >>>> >>>>>Gru§, >>>>>Sener >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: net_CALLBOY >>>>[mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:05 PM To: Levend Sener >>>>>>Subject: Re: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:27:15 +0100 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Hallo Hans, da habe ich doch eine (naheliegende !) Idee: hast Du/habt Ihr Interesse "voteauction.de" zu kaufen ? Schlage einen Preis vor ... Gru§, Levend Sener >-----Original Message----- >From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:54 PM >To: Levend Sener >Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? > > >>Noch eine letzte Frage: _wo_ kommt der Banner dann hin ? > >auf index im frame unten, dort mit meta-refresh.. greetz >hans > >>Gru§, >>Sener >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:05 PM >>>To: Levend Sener >>>Subject: Re: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>> >>> >>>>Antwort an Absenderadresse hat nicht so recht geklappt ... >>>also an "Hans". >>> >>>hi there >>> >>>banner size 468x60, sobald wir den haben bauen wir ihn ein, dann bitte va.de auf http://62.116.31.68/ linken, >>> >>>gruesse >>>hans >>> >>>>Original-Text siehe roten Bereich. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: WEBSTREME-Webmaster >>>>>[mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net] >>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:45 PM To: 'PR [V]ote-auction.com' >>>>>Subject: RE: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hallo, >>>>> >>>>>welche Grš§e/Format usw. soll denn das Banner haben ? >>>>> >>>>>GrŸ§e, >>>>>Sener. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: PR [V]ote-auction.com >>>[mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:16 AM To: Levend Sener >>>>>>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>Subject: Re: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" , Subject: RE: ihr seid live geschalten Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:17:06 +0100 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Importance: High Hallo Hans & alle anderen :-) Sorry fŸr die ganzen Stšrungen ... ist nicht absichtlich ! Ersetzt Ihr bitte den Think-Factory-Banner durch folgendes: Webstreme - Home of the Web-Applications Damit bin ich dann aufs vollste zufrieden ;-) TIA, Levend. >-----Original Message----- >From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:28 PM To: liz@ubermorgen.com; Levend Sener >Subject: RE: ihr seid live geschalten >Importance: High > > >>Hi, > >hi there > >da wir gestern/heute bis um 11h vormittags gearbeitet haben, weiss nicht ob schon ge- macht.. liz, hast du das schon gemacht? waer nett wenn done, wenn dus bitte levend kurz ok gibst, damit er keine troubles hat...; > >thx! >hans > > >>tut Ihr mir/uns (Think-Factory) einen ganz gro§en Gefallen ? Entfernt Ihr alle Links/Meldungen Ÿber die TF und ersetzt >sie durch mich >>persšnlich - "Levend Sener Softwaretechnik" ? Ich bin zwar Mitgesellschafter der Think-Factory, allerdings >mšchte mein >>Partner ungerne in die Publicity um Vote-Auction mit >hineingezogen werden - >>ich bin aber dabei !! ;-) >> >>Das Think-Factory-Banner ersetze ich durch ein anderes, >(mein) eigenes ... >> >>Danke, >>Levend Sener >> >>PS: Bitte um kurze BestŠtigung ... :-)) >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: lizvlx [mailto:liz@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 2:34 AM To: LSener@Think-Factory.de >>>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>Subject: ihr seid live geschalten >>>Importance: High >>> >>> >>>danke nochmal! >>> >>>you are live. >>>best >>>lizvlx >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:50:45 +0100 >>>>>X-Priority: 1 (Highest) >>>>>Importance: High >>>>> >>>>>Hallo Hans, >>>>> >>>>>anbei der (erste !) Entwurf fŸr unser Banner ... Linkst Du dieses in Eure Site ein ? >>>>> >>>>>href="<http://www.think-factory.de>http://www.think-factory.de" >>>>>target="_blank">>>>>src="<http://www.think-factory.de/images/TF_VA.gif>http://ww >>>w.think-factory.de/images/TF_VA.gif" >>>>>lowsrc="Think-Factory" alt="Think-Factory - make the >complicated >>>>>in IT simple and enjoyable" width="468" height="60"> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ich wŸrde mich freuen, wenn Ihr die SRC absolut lasst, damit ich (von einem "anstŠndigen" Designer !) einen schšneren >Banner bekomme >>>>>... >>>>>Habe vorhin in der C't einen Artikel Ÿber Euch gelesen, >drŸcke Euch >>>>>die Daumen ... ;-) >>>>> >>>>>TIA, >>>>>Levend. >>>>> >>>>>PS: Leite "voteauction.de" gleich auf Eure Site um ... PPS: Bitte um BestŠtigung ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: net_CALLBOY >>>[<mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com>mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:54 PM To: Levend Sener >>>>>>Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Noch eine letzte Frage: _wo_ kommt der Banner dann hin ? >>>>>> >>>>>>auf index im frame unten, dort mit meta-refresh.. greetz >>>>>>hans >>>>>> >>>>>>>Gru§, >>>>>>>Sener >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>From: net_CALLBOY >>>>>>[<mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com>mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] >>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:05 PM To: Levend Sener >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Antwort an Absenderadresse hat nicht so recht >geklappt ... >>>>>>>>also an "Hans". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>hi there >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>banner size 468x60, sobald wir den haben bauen wir ihn ein, dann bitte va.de auf >>>>>><http://62.116.31.68/>http://62.116.31.68/ >>>>>>>>linken, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>gruesse >>>>>>>>hans >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Original-Text siehe roten Bereich. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>From: WEBSTREME-Webmaster >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>[<<mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net>mailto:webmaster@webstr >>>eme.net><mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net>mailto:webmaster@webst reme.net] >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:45 PM To: 'PR [V]ote-auction.com' >>>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hallo, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>welche Grš§e/Format usw. soll denn das Banner haben ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>GrŸ§e, >>>>>>>>>>Sener. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>From: PR [V]ote-auction.com >>>>>>>> >>>[<<mailto:PR@>mailto:PR@><mailto:PR@>mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:16 AM To: Levend Sener >>>>>>>>>>>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>danke fuer die schelle antwort. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>das waer spitze mit dem forward, schick uns deinen banner, wir schalten ihn asap. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>best >>>>>>>>>>>lizvlx >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Hallo "Vote-Auction", >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>den forward konnen wir einrichten ... 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:37:56 +0100 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Importance: High Hallo Hans, kein Problem - behalte ich die Domain ;-) Aber anderes GANZ GRO§ES Problem: der neue Link auf "www.thinkfactory.de" (ohne Bindestrich) ist SCH..., sind nŠmlich Mitbewerber der Think-Factory (mit Bindestrich !) ... Ich bin gerade dabei, Banner & Link auf meine persšnliche Website zu gestalten ... soll dann endgŸltig sein ... wŸrde mich freuen, wenn Ihr das dann schnellstmšglich Šndert :-)) TIA, Levend >-----Original Message----- >From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:26 PM To: Levend Sener >Cc: liz@ubermorgen.com >Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? > > >>Hallo Hans, >> >>da habe ich doch eine (naheliegende !) Idee: hast Du/habt Ihr Interesse "voteauction.de" zu kaufen ? > >hi there >danke fuer das angebot! wir sind z.zt. aber eher weniger auf expansion sondern mehr ab- sicherung! hehehe... > >also, falls interesse aufkommen wuerde, wuerd ich dich natuerlich sofort kontaktieren und ein angebot unterbreiten. > >mit besten gruessen >hans > >>Schlage einen Preis vor ... >> >>Gru§, >>Levend Sener >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:54 PM >>>To: Levend Sener >>>Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? >>> >>> >>>>Noch eine letzte Frage: _wo_ kommt der Banner dann hin ? >>> >>>auf index im frame unten, dort mit meta-refresh.. greetz >>>hans >>> >>>>Gru§, >>>>Sener >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:05 PM >>>>>To: Levend Sener >>>>>Subject: Re: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Antwort an Absenderadresse hat nicht so recht geklappt ... >>>>>also an "Hans". >>>>> >>>>>hi there >>>>> >>>>>banner size 468x60, sobald wir den haben bauen wir ihn ein, dann bitte va.de auf http://62.116.31.68/ linken, >>>>> >>>>>gruesse >>>>>hans >>>>> >>>>>>Original-Text siehe roten Bereich. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: WEBSTREME-Webmaster >>>>> >>>[mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net] >>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:45 PM To: 'PR [V]ote-auction.com' >>>>>>>Subject: RE: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: mailliz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:06:04 +0100 To: "Levend Sener" From: lizvlx Subject: RE: ihr seid live geschalten Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com hab ich dir gemacht. lizvlx Hallo Hans & alle anderen :-) Sorry fŸr die ganzen Stšrungen ... ist nicht absichtlich ! Ersetzt Ihr bitte den Think-Factory-Banner durch folgendes: Webstreme - Home of the Web-Applications Damit bin ich dann aufs vollste zufrieden ;-) TIA, Levend. -----Original Message----- From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:28 PM To: liz@ubermorgen.com; Levend Sener Subject: RE: ihr seid live geschalten Importance: High >Hi, hi there da wir gestern/heute bis um 11h vormittags gearbeitet haben, weiss nicht ob schon ge- macht.. liz, hast du das schon gemacht? waer nett wenn done, wenn dus bitte levend kurz ok gibst, damit er keine troubles hat...; thx! hans >tut Ihr mir/uns (Think-Factory) einen ganz gro§en Gefallen ? Entfernt Ihr alle Links/Meldungen Ÿber die TF und ersetzt sie durch mich >persšnlich - "Levend Sener Softwaretechnik" ? Ich bin zwar Mitgesellschafter der Think-Factory, allerdings mšchte mein >Partner ungerne in die Publicity um Vote-Auction mit hineingezogen werden - >ich bin aber dabei !! ;-) > >Das Think-Factory-Banner ersetze ich durch ein anderes, (mein) eigenes ... > >Danke, >Levend Sener > >PS: Bitte um kurze BestŠtigung ... :-)) > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: lizvlx [mailto:liz@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 2:34 AM To: LSener@Think-Factory.de >>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Subject: ihr seid live geschalten >>Importance: High >> >> >>danke nochmal! >> >>you are live. >>best >>lizvlx >> >> >>> >>>>Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 00:50:45 +0100 >>>>X-Priority: 1 (Highest) >>>>Importance: High >>>> >>>>Hallo Hans, >>>> >>>>anbei der (erste !) Entwurf fŸr unser Banner ... Linkst Du dieses in Eure Site ein ? >>>> >>>>>>>target="_blank">> src="<http://www.think-factory.de/images/TF_VA.gif>http://ww >>w.think-factory.de/images/TF_VA.gif" >>>>lowsrc="Think-Factory" alt="Think-Factory - make the complicated >>>>in IT simple and enjoyable" width="468" height="60"> >>>> >>>> >>>>Ich wŸrde mich freuen, wenn Ihr die SRC absolut lasst, damit ich (von einem "anstŠndigen" Designer !) einen schšneren Banner bekomme >>>>... >>>>Habe vorhin in der C't einen Artikel Ÿber Euch gelesen, drŸcke Euch >>>>die Daumen ... ;-) >>>> >>>>TIA, >>>>Levend. >>>> >>>>PS: Leite "voteauction.de" gleich auf Eure Site um ... PPS: Bitte um BestŠtigung ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: net_CALLBOY >> [<mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com>mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] >>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:54 PM To: Levend Sener >>>>>Subject: RE: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Noch eine letzte Frage: _wo_ kommt der Banner dann hin ? >>>>> >>>>>auf index im frame unten, dort mit meta-refresh.. >>>>>>greetz >>>>>hans >>>>> >>>>>>Gru§, >>>>>>Sener >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: net_CALLBOY >> [<mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com>mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] >>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:05 PM To: Levend Sener >>>>>>>Subject: Re: FW: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Antwort an Absenderadresse hat nicht so recht geklappt ... >>>>>>>also an "Hans". >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hi there >>>>>>> >>>>>>>banner size 468x60, sobald wir den haben bauen wir ihn ein, dann bitte va.de auf >> <http://62.116.31.68/>http://62.116.31.68/ >>>>>>>linken, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>gruesse >>>>>>>hans >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Original-Text siehe roten Bereich. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>From: WEBSTREME-Webmaster >>>>>>> >> [<<mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net>mailto:webmaster@webstr >> eme.net><mailto:webmaster@webstreme.net>mailto:webmaster@webst >>reme.net] >>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:45 PM To: 'PR [V]ote-auction.com' >>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hallo, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>welche Grš§e/Format usw. soll denn das Banner haben ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>GrŸ§e, >>>>>>>>>Sener. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>From: PR [V]ote-auction.com >>>>>>> >> [<<mailto:PR@>mailto:PR@><mailto:PR@>mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:16 AM To: Levend Sener >>>>>>>>>>Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: und, linkst du uns auf die neue url? Importance: High >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>danke fuer die schelle antwort. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>das waer spitze mit dem forward, schick uns deinen banner, wir schalten ihn asap. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>best >>>>>>>>>>lizvlx >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hallo "Vote-Auction", >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>den forward konnen wir einrichten ... 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:22:27 +0100 From: Alvar Freude Organization: http://a-blast.org/ X-Accept-Language: de To: net_CALLBOY CC: liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: va, mirror Hi hans, >na, das ist die verdammte scheisse mit den neuen registrar-systemen. die publizieren nicht mehr alles, d.h. der status production kann verschiedenes heissen, in unserem fall haben sie die kohle zwar kassiert, aber die domains gar nie freigeschalten! aaah, OK. was macht die 'Klage' gegen corenic? ;-) Der Mirror geht Ÿbrigenz: http://www.a-blast.org/~voteauction/ :) Yo, Al Bundy liegt vorn, les ich grad. Na mal sehn was da wird! Ciao Alvar -- Alvar C.H. Freude | alvar.freude@merz-akademie.de Demo: http://www.online-demonstration.org/ | Mach mit! Blast-DE: http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ | Blast-Dich-Fit Blast-EN: http://www.a-blast.org/ | Blast/english Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Levend Sener" To: "'net_CALLBOY'" , Subject: FW: ihr seid live geschalten Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:03:39 +0100 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Importance: High Hallo, kšnnt Ihr das: Webstreme - Home of the Web-Applications durch ersetzen ? In der alten (ersten) Form wird der Banner im Netscape Navigator nicht korrekt angezeigt :-((( macht Ihr das noch ? Danke ! Levend. Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:47:37 +0100 To: RTMark admin From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: Re: Journalist seeking information Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com hi there got tthis forwarded by rtmark. you need info? you are welcome to mail me your questions or phone me at +49-175-2066954 best lizvlx [V]ote-auction >Hello, My name is Stefan Dubowski. I'm a reporter with Canada Computes online magazine (www.canadacomputes.com). I'm trying to track down the true story behind Voteauction.com. I have a few questions for RTMark.com. I didn't get the chance to see Voteauction.com when it was up and running. Did the site truly offer votes for sale or was it all in jest? You can still see the site--link from rtmark.com/voteauction.html, along with press release that answers the second question. Is the site's value diminished now that the federal election is over? No--now it can expand to explain many things about the election, and about elections in general in the U.S. and elsewhere. What did RTMark.com find attractive about Voteauction.com's cause? Any excellent moral tale, explains the whole situation with corporate financing of elections. See the schematic linked from the page mentioned above. Do you have a telephone number for James Baumgartner? Mr. Baumgartner has been given some strict legal advice, so not sure whether he wants to speak with reporters; he is, however, Bcc'ed. Best wishes, Cliff Coney RTMark spokesperson Thanks for your help. Please respond as soon as possible by e-mail or by phone at 416 923 7100 ext. 1222. Stefan Dubowski. -- . . 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:11:06 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: Journalist seeking information hi liz you just sent this to me, not to stefan--there was no stefan-address in the to: or cc: ciao ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, PR [V]ote-auction.com wrote: >hi there > >got tthis forwarded by rtmark. > >you need info? > >you are welcome to mail me your questions or phone me at +49-175-2066954 > >best >lizvlx >[V]ote-auction > >>>Hello, >>> >>>My name is Stefan Dubowski. I'm a reporter with Canada Computes online magazine (www.canadacomputes.com). I'm trying to track down the true story behind Voteauction.com. I have a few questions for RTMark.com. >>> >>>I didn't get the chance to see Voteauction.com when it was up and running. Did the site truly offer votes for sale or was it all in jest? >> >> >>You can still see the site--link from rtmark.com/voteauction.html, along with press release that answers the second question. >> >>>Is the site's value diminished now that the federal election is over? >> >>No--now it can expand to explain many things about the election, and about elections in general in the U.S. and elsewhere. >> >>>What did RTMark.com find attractive about Voteauction.com's cause? >> >>Any excellent moral tale, explains the whole situation with corporate financing of elections. See the schematic linked from the page mentioned above. >> >>>Do you have a telephone number for James Baumgartner? >> >>Mr. Baumgartner has been given some strict legal advice, so not sure whether he wants to speak with reporters; he is, however, Bcc'ed. >> >>Best wishes, >>Cliff Coney >>RTMark spokesperson >> >>>Thanks for your help. Please respond as soon as possible by e-mail or by phone at 416 923 7100 ext. 1222. >>> >>>Stefan Dubowski. >>> > >-- >. . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >http://www.vote-auction.com >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:21:25 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY , liz@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: Re: vote-A;; great idea! in a way it's too bad it was all revealed already, but on the other hand it could still work somehow.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >did voteauction have more than 327 registrants for the state of florida? Even if they are imaginary voters, the way things look right now they could have decided the election! > >frank > > >At 4:08 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>dear k_hell >> >>wanted to thank you again for the hell.com redirect to [V]ote-auction.com! great action, got some nizzze feedbacks there, and totally kewl credibility for v-a and swell coooo- branding;! >> >>are planing to do press.release by mixing current us-election chaos with vote-auction messages, watch out.. hehehe..; if ya ever need a favooor from ubermorgen, just drop an email;; >> >>ok, thx again!! >>greetz >> >>hans_e and lizvlx, ubermorgen.com >> >>-- >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >> >>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:44:47 -0500 To: net_CALLBOY From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: vote-A;; Cc: admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu did voteauction have more than 327 registrants for the state of florida? Even if they are imaginary voters, the way things look right now they could have decided the election! frank At 4:08 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >dear k_hell > >wanted to thank you again for the hell.com redirect to [V]ote-auction.com! great action, got some nizzze feedbacks there, and totally kewl credibility for v-a and swell coooo- branding;! > >are planing to do press.release by mixing current us-election chaos with vote-auction messages, watch out.. hehehe..; if ya ever need a favooor from ubermorgen, just drop an email;; > >ok, thx again!! >greetz > >hans_e and lizvlx, ubermorgen.com > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . > >. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. [V]ote-auction: http://62.116.31.68 "bringing capitalism >and demoCRAZY closer together":brought to you by ubermorgen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:50:59 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank@rtmark.com, pr@[62.116.31.68], hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: florida Great idea to exploit those numbers if possible... Perhaps the voteauction hoax isn't a hoax after all.... I think the press release doesn't explicitly say that no votes were traded, it just says that it was a satire, which of course it was whether or not it was fake.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Frank&Ray, > >The last fake numbers that I put up for florida (October 16, still voteauction.com) was 540 with a fake bid of 9500 ($11.61 per vote). The final numbers on vote-auction.com was 6231 voters, $80,000 "winning" bid ($12.84 per vote - very close to my fake numbers). > >I could not even imagine that any presidential election would be that close. It again illustrates how similar the candidates are. Although a Bush presidency scares me more than a Gore presidency. > >On another note... I got my final bill from my lawyer Dan Stewart in Albany. It was around $3,700. I already paid $2,000 but that is all I can afford until I get a job. Would it be possible for rtmark to start a legal defense investment fund to cover the difference? I am still very interested in doing additional lectures around the Northeast or anywhere else in the country, so if rtmark can help with the promotion of something like that, it would help pay my legal expenses as well. > >James > Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: Eran Redick cc: pr@[62.116.31.68], frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: elector gifts? Nice!! http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Eran Redick wrote: >Greetings, > >How about a new focus for vote auction, since the voting is over? What about donating, money to electors to change their vote as a gift? The electors were given the position of elector as a gift from their party, now why can't they trade that gift in for a cash gift? A few changed elector votes could change the Presidential outcome. There is enough anger and concern about this election that this idea might generate some serious interest/controversy/publicity. > > >What do you think? >Eran >er3.com Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: mailhans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:24:13 +0100 To: frank guerrero From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: vote-A;; Cc: admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, hans@ubermorgen.com did voteauction have more than 327 registrants for the state of florida? Even if they are imaginary voters, the way things look right now they could have decided the election! hehehe.. yeah,.. we were today also talking about a pervert press.release.. but the florida field is good and its getting hotter and hotter,, no end on the horizon.. florida has over 6000 votes offered, baohhh.. lets do something, liz, although, it seems that we have enough time,, they talk about this being resolved before jan 20th or so, when the new pres. should be starting to work.. ray, frank, further suggestions and pervert ideas and combinations warmly welcomed, hans_e ps: did you see todays wirednews article., pretty good.. http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,40092,00.html frank At 4:08 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: dear k_hell wanted to thank you again for the hell.com redirect to [V]ote-auction.com! great action, got some nizzze feedbacks there, and totally kewl credibility for v-a and swell coooo- branding;! are planing to do press.release by mixing current us-election chaos with vote-auction messages, watch out.. hehehe..; if ya ever need a favooor from ubermorgen, just drop an email;; ok, thx again!! greetz hans_e and lizvlx, ubermorgen.com -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:19:31 -0500 To: net_CALLBOY From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: vote-A;; Cc: admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Wow- fantastic article- this is truly an amazing thing- it just keeps on living and growing in such fantastic ways! frank At 9:24 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>did voteauction have more than 327 registrants for the state of florida? Even if they are imaginary voters, the way things look right now they could have decided the election! > >hehehe.. yeah,.. we were today also talking about a pervert press.release.. but the florida field is good and its getting hotter and hotter,, no end on the horizon.. > >florida has over 6000 votes offered, baohhh.. > >lets do something, liz, although, it seems that we have enough time,, they talk about this being resolved before jan 20th or so, when the new pres. should be starting to work.. > >ray, frank, further suggestions and pervert ideas and combinations warmly welcomed, > >hans_e > >ps: did you see todays wirednews article., pretty good.. >http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,40092,00.html > >>frank >> >> >>At 4:08 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>dear k_hell >>> >>>wanted to thank you again for the hell.com redirect to [V]ote-auction.com! great action, got some nizzze feedbacks there, and totally kewl credibility for v-a and swell coooo- branding;! >>> >>>are planing to do press.release by mixing current us-election chaos with vote-auction messages, watch out.. hehehe..; if ya ever need a favooor from ubermorgen, just drop an email;; >>> >>>ok, thx again!! >>>greetz >>> >>>hans_e and lizvlx, ubermorgen.com >>> >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>> >>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>. 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[V]ote-auction: http://62.116.31.68 "bringing capitalism >and demoCRAZY closer together":brought to you by ubermorgen . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:35:58 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY , Subject: Re: vote-A;; yes, WONDERFUL quotes and article, you really did it this time.... i wonder if voteauction should now say that even though it has been satirical, in that no votes were actually bought and sold, you HAVE received many blank absentee ballots from american voters expecting payment in return, including 429 from florida voters, andalthough you weren't planning on doing anything with them (other than perhaps creating a nice monumental sculpture made of ballots), the offers from the bush and gore campaigns were just too high--they realized the millions of corporate money they spent on advertising might not be quite enough.... nah, just a thought while hiking today, not a very good one.... r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >Wow- fantastic article- > >this is truly an amazing thing- it just keeps on living and growing in such fantastic ways! > > >frank > >At 9:24 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>did voteauction have more than 327 registrants for the state of florida? Even if they are imaginary voters, the way things look right now they could have decided the election! >> >>hehehe.. yeah,.. we were today also talking about a pervert press.release.. but the florida field is good and its getting hotter and hotter,, no end on the horizon.. >> >>florida has over 6000 votes offered, baohhh.. >> >>lets do something, liz, although, it seems that we have enough time,, they talk about this being resolved before jan 20th or so, when the new pres. should be starting to work.. >> >>ray, frank, further suggestions and pervert ideas and combinations warmly welcomed, >> >>hans_e >> >>ps: did you see todays wirednews article., pretty good.. >>http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,40092,00.html >> >>>frank >>> >>> >>>At 4:08 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>dear k_hell >>>> >>>>wanted to thank you again for the hell.com redirect to [V]ote-auction.com! great action, got some nizzze feedbacks there, and totally kewl credibility for v-a and swell coooo- branding;! >>>> >>>>are planing to do press.release by mixing current us-election chaos with vote-auction messages, watch out.. hehehe..; if ya ever need a favooor from ubermorgen, just drop an email;; >>>> >>>>ok, thx again!! >>>>greetz >>>> >>>>hans_e and lizvlx, ubermorgen.com >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>>> >>>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>> >>>>. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:08:25 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: , , Subject: Re: vote-A;; PRESS-RELEASE DEV. >>yes, WONDERFUL quotes and article, you really did it this time.... > >hehehe,, ohhh mr. ray, good idea.. but this will kill us.. > >just working on da press.release.. have included this idea and might use it anyway.. who gives a fucking shit!? i do.. hehehe.. shit.., we have over 6000 flo-voters.. and NO LAW SUIT YET.. !? it's insulting! they HAVE to react, even if they think it's all fake. >ahmm.. let me know other ideas.. you and frank sent some stuff through, will consider and put it into it in some way.. can't remember what it was... >if you have insider stuff.. let me know.. would it be ok to feature the wto/gatt action in salzburg, as activistm of RTMark.com, powered and financed [hehehe[ by [V]ote-auction ?? just an idea.. if you prepare something cool ,, let me know and we leave this out.. that could work i think! we're not actually preparing anything right now, press-release-wise; we were thinking about it, but the pace is slow, you might as well do it if you want. preparing slowly a website (http://cpteuro.com) that will be the website for the Yes Men. remember, the salzburg thing was NOT done by rtmark, it was done by the Yes Men. so something like: RTMark has helped sponsor a dazzling array of actions, most recently the impersonation by a group called The Yes Men of a WTO representative at a Salzburg meeting of elite international lawyers. 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(VOTEAUCTION2-DOM) >#560-5, Pulkwang-Dong, Eunpyung-Gu >Seoul, 122-041 >KR >Domain Name: VOTEAUCTION.NET > >- feature and build up of political and legal >platform: ipnic.org , we will have a mailing-list and publication platform for the v-a case and compareable cases.. we working on this currently.. lotza material.. that's really terrific--we too have a million references to similar stuff, sort of similar... or not at all similar, maybe.... just people who have lost their domains to corporate aggression, or are in the process of losing them... some really important cases that are much more important than the etoys one.... >ok, if you have time and energy and ideas.. just pump over some stuff.. and let me know wheter you are working on a wto/gatt/cils release.. the feed- back here has been great on the "FALTER" article, the people laughed their asses off... cool! no release planned right now, so feel free to do it, that would be great! will look at drafts... onwards! r > > > >>i wonder if voteauction should now say that even though it has been satirical, in that no votes were actually bought and sold, you HAVE received many blank absentee ballots from american voters expecting payment in return, including 429 from florida voters, andalthough you weren't planning on doing anything with them (other than perhaps creating a nice monumental sculpture made of ballots), the offers from the bush and gore campaigns were just too high--they realized the millions of corporate money they spent on advertising might not be quite enough.... >> >>nah, just a thought while hiking today, not a very good one.... >> >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>Wow- fantastic article- >>> >>>this is truly an amazing thing- it just keeps on living and growing in such fantastic ways! >>> >>> >>>frank >>> >>>At 9:24 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>did voteauction have more than 327 registrants for the state of florida? Even if they are imaginary voters, the way things look right now >>>they could >>>>>have decided the election! >>>> >>>>hehehe.. yeah,.. we were today also talking about a pervert press.release.. but the florida field is good and its getting hotter and hotter,, no end on the horizon.. >>>> >>>>florida has over 6000 votes offered, baohhh.. >>>> >>>>lets do something, liz, although, it seems that we have enough time,, they talk about this being resolved before jan 20th or so, when the new pres. should be starting to work.. >>>> >>>>ray, frank, further suggestions and pervert ideas and combinations warmly welcomed, >>>> >>>>hans_e >>>> >>>>ps: did you see todays wirednews article., pretty good.. >>>>http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,40092,00.html >>>> >>>>>frank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 4:08 PM +0100 11/10/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>>dear k_hell >>>>>> >>>>>>wanted to thank you again for the hell.com redirect to [V]ote-auction.com! great action, got some nizzze feedbacks there, and totally kewl credibility for v-a and swell coooo- branding;! >>>>>> >>>>>>are planing to do press.release by mixing current us-election chaos with vote-auction messages, watch out.. hehehe..; if ya ever >>>>>>need a favooor from ubermorgen, just drop an email;; >>>>>> >>>>>>ok, thx again!! >>>>>>greetz >>>>>> >>>>>>hans_e and lizvlx, ubermorgen.com >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>> >>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:17:38 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: lizvlx cc: , Subject: Re: etoy/ubermorgen/voteauction (fwd) >thanks for that forward. > >i think it is mybe really the smartest approach. > >however, james is only being sued in chicago, we are having suit also in mass., wisc., and missouri. > >i dont know how that woulfd work then... as i understand american law, it works entirely by precedent--so if they win for james in chicago, the case is pretty identical elsewhere and lawyers can just point to it and say "see?" and the judge is convinced. and i think the case against james, whatever it can possibly be (annoying satire?), has been around longer than yours and is likely to be resolved in time??? >also, we also have to clear the records of silverserver. > >i am getting pretty desperate now, i dont want to be loaded with millsion dollar dameges judgements in remote u.s. states - i would like to finally talk with somebody - at the moment, i feel like all the legal people are tuning away. > >i am pretty soon going to lose my trust with these organizations - we need fucking help... what exactly are the suits? what are they claiming--that you embarrassed them? it's hard to believe anyone's going ahead with it at this point now that it's all fake. totally crazy. isn't it pretty clear they'll lose? i mean, it's a satire. hard to believe it will even get to court.... rtmark hasn't done many outright hoaxes, but here's someone who has: joey skaggs we don't know him, but we know he's done a lot of things that are as crazy as this, and maybe he's gotten sued before and could tell you something about that, what happens when you get sued in a really really ridiculous way. again, tell me--what are they suing you for? i just can't imagine a case. don't worry, we'll figure something out ray >>brad wrote back, said they're not concerned with ubermorgen making money or anything, and they're not taking sides, they just think that if they support it directly and then zai goes around screaming whatever he screams, it'll make it very difficult for eff to raise money for it, and that's crucial for them right now. he said that what they might do instead is file an "amicus brief" in the baumgartner case, that aclu is defending, and if that works out that should cover ubermorgen too. i think that sounds smart... >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>>okeedoke, sent this! >>> >>>thank you ray!ƒ >>>hans_e >>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:26:06 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin >>>>To: brad@templetons.com >>>>Subject: etoy/ubermorgen/voteauction >>>> >>>>Dear Brad, >>>> >>>>Hans Bernhard has asked us to write you regarding your possible help in defending the Voteauction website (run by Hans and Liz of Ubermorgen) and its host (Silverserver.at) against some absurd American lawsuits. Hans mentioned that etoy.ZAI is accusing him of running Voteauction to advertise his business. >>>> >>>>The disagreements between etoy.ZAI and ex-etoy.HANS are deep and old. Zai and Hans cofounded etoy and were the primary forces behind it until they split up in 1998 or 1999. At that point, depending on who you believe, Hans left after Zai became aggressive, or after Hans tried to eject Zai from the group. Hans and Zai are likely to say terrible things about each other; we've stopped believing either one, and are friends with both. >>>> >>>>We have been involved with Voteauction from the start (please see http://rtmark.com/voteauction.html) and feel that Hans and Liz are running it not to make money or advertise their business, but because they think it's a good idea. They rescued it from oblivion when James Baumgartner was feeling the pressure of the New York authorities; being far away in Austria (and also more experienced with being at the receiving end of legal efforts) they felt up to the challenge. >>>> >>>>We have been aware from the start that Ubermorgen.com might also benefit from this, but this is true of anyone who does anything: in this case we felt it wasn't the main point. >>>> >>>>As we write in our press release at the above URL, the issue seems to be one of free speech: Voteauction is a satirical website, and various entities are trying to squelch it, even though they know full well it's satirical and not actually in the business of selling votes. Whether or not the site, in addition to making a political point very strongly and clearly, also as a side-effect helps a small business, doesn't seem too important to us. 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It's a legal document, written by lawyers, so it should be taken with a grain of salt. But we should all read it, in terms of what our legal rights are and what the terrain of contestation is/will be in the kourts. A Guide to Effective Participation in the 2001 Inauguration Issued by: The Partnership for Civil Justice, Inc. A civil rights, women's rights and economic justice public interest law firm. 1901 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 607 Washington, D.C. 20006 (202) 530-5630 [This document is also available on the Internet at www.InaugurAuction.org/training.asp] The Importance of the Inauguration: Direct Participation in Democracy Without A Fee The Inauguration is one of the few Presidential events in which the public may directly participate without being charged an entrance fee or campaign contribution. The U.S. Government has asserted that it is illegal for citizens to participate in the Inauguration if those persons express viewpoints critical of the President or advocate policies different from the Administration's. The Government has declared such conduct violative of National Park Service (NPS) regulations and threatened to fine and arrest at the Inauguration any individual expressing such viewpoints. Before the 1997 Inauguration, the District of Columbia Circuit Court declared such threats to be unconstitutional, and ordered that the Government must allow protesters in groups of up to 25. See, Mahoney v. Babbitt, 105 F.3d 1452 (D.C. Cir. 1997). The authors maintain it is an unconstitutional violation of the First Amendment Right to Free Speech for the U.S. Government to arrest any individual or group participants (regardless of the size of the group) at the Presidential Inauguration just because they participate in the Inauguration by expressing political dissent or views critical of the President. This guide describes the NPS regulations and strategies for conducting effective political action within the NPS rules that restrict and sanction political dissent. It is intended to facilitate public participation in the Inauguration, despite the restrictions that the Government has placed upon free speech, for those who do not have the time or resources to mount a constitutional challenge to the existing NPS regulations that restrict free speech, or who wish to demonstrate within those rules to minimize government interference with their action. Disclaimer The information contained in this document is not intended, nor should it be construed as, legal advice or opinion. Should you require legal advice or opinion you should consult a licensed attorney. © 2000, Partnership for Civil Justice, Inc. This document may be freely copied and distributed, provided it is copied and distributed in its entirety without alteration or omission. The Rule of 25 Demonstrations in groups of 25 people or less may be held without a permit on Pennsylvania Avenue or other federal land subject to the jurisdiction of the National Park Service. See, 36 C.F.R. Section(s) 7.96(g)(2)(i). Based on this provision, the U.S. Circuit Court for the District of Columbia has ruled that it is unlawful for the U.S. Government to fine or arrest Inaugural protesters in groups of 25 or less on the asserted grounds that such protesters are demonstrating without a permit. PROTEST TIP: ORGANIZE IN GROUPS OF 25 Unless you intend to challenge the 25 person limitation imposed by the National Park Service with the aid of an attorney, consider the following strategies: · Organize in separate protest groups of 25 or less (yes, an affinity group will do). · Larger groups may subdivide into separate and unrelated protest groups. · Separate protest groups may consider differentiating themselves by protesting on different blocks, by wearing distinctive attire, or by bearing signs (or other items) addressing distinct issues. · Separate protest groups, like affinity groups, should be separately named. · Appoint no less than two clearly identified coordinators, or "marshals," for each group to monitor and enforce the 25 person limitation, politely explaining to those who exceed the limit of 25 that they may automatically combine themselves into an independent and separate group if they wish. PROTEST TIP: MAXIMIZE VISIBILITY WITH SIGNS AND PUPPETS The Inauguration parade is distinctive because it moves along a public street, making it more difficult for the media to "black out" or crop out coverage of protesters located along that route. · Prominently place your demonstration along the Inaugural route. · Make your group the largest allowable, 25. · Subdivide larger groups into separate and unrelated demonstrations. · Maximize your visibility with signs and puppets. · Use signs and puppets that will clearly convey your message to the President and to the public through the media. Because the Government seeks to restrict your peaceable assembly along the Inauguration route to groups of 25 or fewer, it is essential that you counteract the limits on numerosity by maximizing the visibility of your message. Keep in mind, the message and lettering must be understandable to people across a city block, and visible and understandable to cameras that may be distant. No Restrictions on the Size, Construction and Placement of Portable Signs and Banners The NPS regulations place restrictions on the size, construction and placement of portable signs and banners in certain areas only: for signs and banners located adjacent to the White House, on the White House sidewalk, or in Lafayette Park. 36 C.F.R. 7.96(g)(5)(vii)(E). The regulations place no specific limitations on the size, construction or placement of portable signs and banners on Pennsylvania Avenue and the rest of the Inaugural route. The only general limitation on the use of portable signs and banners is the "catch-all" rule that demonstration permits may be revoked on the spot, if the demonstration presents "a clear and present danger to the public safety, good order or health." 36 C.F.R. Section 7.96. As above, the most restricted locations for portable signs and banners are for those located adjacent to the White House or in Lafayette Square. Even though such restrictions are not binding for the rest of the Inaugural route, they are presented below solely as an example of size and construction that are considered acceptable even in these most highly restricted areas: In Lafayette Park: Hand carried signs are allowed regardless of size. Signs that are not being hand carried are allowed provided they are no larger than 4 feet in width and one-quarter inch in thickness (exclusive of braces that are reasonably required to meet support and safety requirements and that are not used so as to form an enclosure of two (2) or more sides) may be used, provided that no individual may have more than two such signs in the Park at any time, and that all signs must be attended (be within three feet of the attendee) at all times. Such signs may not be elevated so as to exceed six (6) feet above the ground at their highest point, and may not be arranged or combined in such a manner as to exceed these sign limitations. For example, two four-feet by four-feet signs may not be combined to create a sign that is eight feet long, and two or more signs of any size may not be leaned or otherwise placed together so as to form an enclosure of two or more sides. See 36 C.F.R. §7.96(g)(5)(x). On the White House Sidewalks: No signs are allowed except those made of cardboard, posterboard or cloth having dimensions no greater than three feet in width, twenty feet in length and one-quarter inch in thickness. No supports are permitted except those made of wood having cross sectional dimensions no greater than three-quarter of an inch by three-quarter of an inch. Stationary signs shall be no closer than three feet from the White House sidewalk fence. All signs must be in physical contact with a person at all times. No signs may be attached to any structure on the sidewalk. No signs shall be held, placed or set down on the center portion of the White House sidewalk, comprising ten yards on either side of the center point on the sidewalk, provided that individuals may demonstrate while carrying signs on that portion of the sidewalk if they continue to move along the sidewalk. See 36 C.F.R. §7.96(g)(5)(viii). Erection of Temporary Structures Prohibited, Except for Small Lecterns or Speakers' Platforms If you are participating in the Inauguration in a group of 25 or less without a separately issued permit, you "are not allowed to erect temporary structures other than small lecterns or speakers' platforms." 36 C.F.R. 7.96(g)(5)(vii)(E). Be aware that even small lecterns or speakers' platforms will likely attract the attention of hyper-aggressive "law enforcement" which may distract you from your primary purpose, to peaceably assemble to convey your political message to the public, the press, policymakers and the President. No Restrictions on Use of Props, Such as Coffins, Crates, Crosses, Theaters, Cages, Etc. The use of items "such as coffins, crates, crosses, theaters, cages, and statues; furniture and furnishings, such as desks, chairs, tables, bookcases, cabinets, platforms, podiums and lecterns; shelters, such as tents, boxes and other enclosures; wagons and carts; and all other similar types of property which might tend to harm park resources, including aesthetic interests" are restricted in Lafayette Park and certain areas in the immediate vicinity of the White House. 36 C.F.R. 7.96(g)(5)(ix - x). No such restrictions are stated in the regulations that apply outside of these areas, in particular along the parade route on Pennsylvania Avenue. Puppet Search and Destroy Missions Puppets and visual displays are highly evocative and effective at conveying information. The Government has in recent protests, including A16 and R2K, employed an unconstitutional law enforcement tactic we refer to as "Puppet Search and Destroy" in which "law enforcement" seizes and confiscates political puppets (and political literature) and, in some instances, destroys them. We suggest groups store their lawful puppet making materials and completed puppets in decentralized locations, to counter this unconstitutional police conduct. Selective Enforcement of Rules on Metro Subways In the past, Metro has unlawfully selectively enforced rules to prevent protesters from reaching demonstration locations. Metro has, for example, previously issued restrictions on persons carrying protest signs and banners. Plan your transportation accordingly. Sound Amplification Sound amplification is allowed, provided prior notice has been given to the National Park Service Regional Director, for example, by filing a permit application stating that sound amplification is intended to be used. Sound amplification may be restricted so that it will "not unreasonably disturb nonparticipating persons in, or in the vicinity of, the area." Demonstration Group Organization · Each group should consider having two coordinators or "marshals" who have i) read this document, and the actual regulations, and ii) will be present at all times to ensure that the numeric limitations of 25 are adhered to, as well as the rest of any applicable rules. · Each group should consider having one person appointed as a law enforcement liaison, who i) is really calm, even in the face of misconduct by law enforcement, ii) has read this document and the related regulations, and iii) is willing to repeat over and over again that "all we wish to do is engage in peaceful political assembly, and to participate in the Inauguration." · Each group should have at least one person equipped with a video camera, which should be focused on any interaction with law enforcement. Reach Consensus Before The Inauguration on How to Respond If Law Enforcement Illegally Demands That You Disperse · Prior to the Inauguration, or at the start of the Inauguration, each group should meet and reach consensus on how to respond to law enforcement should they demand unlawfully at any point that the group disperse. · Your decisions about how to respond to provocation by law enforcement should be made with deliberation, before the provocation, so as to avoid acting out of emotion or allowing law enforcement to escalate their conflict. · Any violation of your rights disappears anonymously into the past unless you act to bring it to the public's attention. Plan to use theater creatively to your advantage, and to avoid being drawn into escalation or anger. Present the officer with a copy of the Constitution; or of the applicable Park Service regulations; or sing "This Land is Your Land." It has been a very effective form of protest and response to not allow the government to engage you in their hostile manner and importantly, to not allow them to distract you from your message and purpose. · Summon the attention of the media when it appears that law enforcement is about to violate your rights. What To Do If Law Enforcement Requests That You Disperse Or Be Arrested All interactions with law enforcement should be recorded on sound and video. Your law enforcement liaison should be the primary point of communication with law enforcement, and should: · Act deliberately and consistent with the group's consensus made decisions about how to respond to law enforcement's illegal demand that the group disperse. · Remain calm throughout all communications with law enforcement; even if law enforcement does not reciprocate. · State, repeatedly if necessary, that your group is entitled to participate in the Inauguration under the law, and has reviewed the National Park Service regulations and are acting in conformity with those rules. · Inquire of the officer, and cause him/her to specify exactly in what manner the group is acting unlawfully. "Officer, we want to cooperate with you, but you need to tell us what we are doing wrong." · Get the officer's name and badge number, and inquire on whose authority or order he or she is acting. Ask to speak with that officer in charge. Write down all officer's names and badges. Photograph covered or punched out badge numbers and the officer's face. · If you can, dispatch one or two persons to summon the attention of the media so they can observe, record and hopefully report on what is going on. · Use a bullhorn or loudly announce your intentions to the group and other witnesses ("We merely wish to peaceably gather and participate in the Inauguration") and your requests ("We have asked the police to allow us to remain here in a group of 25 or less to participate in the Inauguration, and they have said that they will arrest us unless we stop criticizing the President,"), to avoid law enforcement later making false claims regarding your conduct and statements. PROTEST TIP: SEEK A PERMIT FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE Requesting A Permit Before You Protest You do not require a permit to demonstrate at the Inauguration in groups of 25 or fewer, so why request a permit at all? By filing a permit request you place the National Park Service on formal notice as to your intentions to lawfully exercise your First Amendment protected right to free speech. If you intend to use sound amplification you are required to notify the Park Service of that intention. If the National Park Service fails to reject or revoke your permit request, then your permit is deemed to be granted. 36 C.F.R. 7.96(g)(3). All permit requests are deemed to be granted (subject to possible revocation in writing) if not denied within 24 hours of receipt by the Park Service. Id. If the National Park Service rejects or revokes your permit, it must do so in writing which will provide you the basis to challenge the denial in court if you wish. If the National Park Service fails to reject or revoke your permit in writing, then your permit is granted. Permit applications may be obtained at the Office of Public Affairs, National Capital Region, 1100 Ohio Drive SW, Washington, D.C. 20242. A copy of the application is available in PDF format at the web page sponsored by the Partnership for Civil Justice, at www.JusticeOnline.org/freespeech . Permits are accepted by the Regional Director of the National Park Service between the hours of 8 a.m. - 4 p.m. weekdays, holidays excepted. Make sure your delivery is such that the date and time of receipt is known to you. The National Park Service Is Limited In Its Ability To Revoke Your Demonstration Permit During a Demonstration During the conduct of a demonstration, a permit may be revoked by the ranking U.S. Park Police supervisory official in charge only if: · continuation of the event presents a clear and present danger to the public safety, good order or health, or · for any violation of applicable law or regulation. 36 C.F.R. Section 7.96 From Dr. King's Letter From Birmingham City Jail: "...There are some instances when a law is just on its face but unjust in its application. I was arrested Friday on a charge of parading without a permit. Now there is nothing wrong with an ordinance that requires a permit for a parade, but when the ordinance is used to preserve segregation and to deny citizens the First Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and peaceful protest, then it becomes unjust." -- Martin Luther King, Jr., April 16, 1963 ******************************************************************************* This message sent to cssn from mike castleman . http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cssn/ To unsubscribe, send mail to cssn-request@columbia.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' in the BODY of the message. To reach the list owner, send mail to owner-cssn@columbia.edu. Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:02:33 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: http://www.ccskids.com/investor.html the next step? http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital.Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:58:57 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin To: Karen Eliot cc: hans@ubermorgen.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: voteauction.cx = 62.116.31.68 hi karen thanks!! i pass this along to the voteauction authorities, whose stunt it really was--maybe they can still use this. cheers ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Karen Eliot wrote: >hi (ray?) > >the election's all over now, > >but maybe you can still use > >www.voteauction.cx = www.vote-auction.cx = 62.116.31.68 > >if you want to set up yr dns i will redirect them > >congratulations on another great stunt > >best regards > >karen > > > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: mailliz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:20:36 +0200 To: RTMark admin From: lizvlx Subject: Re: touchdown and var;; [V]ote-auction hi ray, i did not realize you were moving to paris, thats great to hear, cher ami! did i get that e-mail? i don't remember it. quite a while ago i did add acknowledgments to for the salzburg thing. yeah, very nice featuring there, appreciate it, kewl thanx!;; as for voteauction, http://rtmark.com/voteauctionpr.html (which is the first page below the extremely concise and calculated http://rtmark.com/voteuaction.html) mentions hans bernhard's involvement, though not ubermorgen's. i'll link your name to ubermorgen.com... there, it's done. how's that? well, the problem is - it totally excludes my little self which i find unromantic. so maybe you could just add a little sentence like "exactly the issue that founder James Baumgartner and producers ubermorgen.com intended the website to highlight. would you do that for me? it is just that i had to many weird occasions where people thought i was telling stories when i said that i worked on voteauction, because so many believe that it was rtmark and that fake-person hans. you know, hans and you guys have been around in public a bit longer than me....and you also know that me being a woman does not really help either when it gets to being taking serious etc... but whatever - i don't wanna tell ya how to do your website, i guess you know what i mean, just do what ya think is best, i trust you guys totally anyway :) >also, you have any contact to james, any news from chicago?? no, haven't heard from him recently. me neither, last stuff i hear form chicago was some weird legal stuff - from the aclu lawyer, they seem to be doing all sorts of formalisms there - but i guess thats ok - let them lawyers fo it. >and otherwise, any news projects in da pipeline? working on the salzburg video (which will include credit to ubermorgen). and the toywar video, that's frank right now or soon. and a couple other things that will hpefully get off the ground soon... you know, i did not see that one paper clipping from "der falter" until just a few weeks ago. that stunt really went great. still laughing. remember also that email i sent to some guy who was pseudo-legally threating us, and dr. bichlbauer replied? never got an answer, that bichelbauer sure knows his job;; >would be happy to hear f/you? and would be happy to cu soon sometimes! yes! i moved to paris just now, did i tell you? i think i did. that's partly why i've been so crazy busy.... paris is a really short trip from berlin. i think we should really meet sometime and discuss potential future targets, society changes, does media activism still make sense etc. stuff. >here its quite quiet on the etoy front, no big fights at the moment, neither over nor underground; that's good, that zai sure can get excited... oh yes,,,,,oh yes;;;; ps: in "return" we put a very pop-good rtmark.com feature-link on our new ubermorgen.com site, front- >side.. top "real-estate, hehehe", cool, thanks!! take care, see you soon i hope ray yeah, but i will work on our linking and feature techniques here - not really satidfied so much, will send you an email when it's updated with style;; -- l i z v l x [ pronounce lizvlx or litsphlks ] lovemail liz@ubermorgen.com maybe it is best idea to tell you that i have an icq but ich always forget to switch it on so it makes no sense. fot all those handles and pgp's and numbers check keyserver.net and ripe.net. let the hasi live, let the hasis kome togethernow *-**--*** http://www.ubermorgen.com ***--**-* *-**--**** http://vote-auction.net ****--**-* *-**--***** http://www.lizvlx.com *****--**-* #-##--##### .at tel +43-1-9681022 #####--##-# #-##--##### .at fax +43-1-9681022 #####--##-# #-##--##### mobil +43-676-9300095 #####--##-# Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: sam@myspinach.org@kooriweb.org (Unverified) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:40:14 +1100 To: net_CALLBOY From: sam Subject: voting downunder Cc: karen Hello Hans, I got your contact from the artymark folks. Anyhow - we are a small group of folks based in Melbourne Australia. Some of us are responsible for melbourne.indymedia.org stuff and www.s11.org and content on antimedia.net Australia has an upcoming election. Often, we are dismissed as an ideal holiday destination - but there are significant human rights abuses occuring to our Aboriginal peoples as well as permitted abuses in Indonesia, Burma, Tibet, etc... and our Government is simply an embarrassment to its people and will soon to become a regional office of the new Dubya administration. So, we thought we'd contact you. Maybe you want to some how get involved with what's happening downunder. Maybe you have some ideas. Franchising the voting process. Maybe Americans should decide how the Australian elections should go. Trans-continental Vote Trading? But we feel the whole voting system sux also. Anyhows - Leave it at that... Best wishes, Sam. --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... --- ... www.iratiwanti.org is about ending the cycle of poison, but what is free trade?Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:53:06 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: ythere you go, rtmark.com/voteauction.html! http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, RTMark admin wrote: >is the bmdi.de site by you?? wow... > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >>>no no, hahaha is mine--actually, if you visit rtmark.com enough randomly it does pick that as the front page instead of the usual one... there's also another one it does that with... >>>hehehe >> >>great! as i said, and i say it again.. you rock! hahaha... >> >>gotta do NAZI~LINE press-conference >>tomorrow, they dont like the >>http://www.bmdi.de web-site,, hehehe.. >> >>h_e >> >> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>>On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>> >>>>>what?? porn ronald mcdonald? are you sure you're talking about rtmark.com? please revisit, please revisit... maybe you went to mcdonalds.com accidentally? >>>> >>>>hahaha.. i screwed it up! >>>>http://www.rtmark.com/mc/homemac.html didnt look correct and thought you >>>>had the whole site in mcdonalds fuck- up;;; sorry for confusion :));( >>>>H-eee >>>> >>>> >> >> >