Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:14:52 +0100 To: jrothman@seidenlaw.com From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: your article Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com dear mr rothman, i enjoyed very much reading your article, i found it very well put and researched. however, there are just a few notes i would like to add: . not only chicago has issued restraining orders and injunctions, but also missouri (they are claiming consumer rights violations, wrongful promise etc), also wisconsin and massachussetts have issued comparable legal orders. . voteauction is still online, it can be accessed via http://www.voteauction.at and http://voteauction.de and our IP http://62.116.31.68 best, lizvlx, [V]ote-auction -- . . 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Rothman" From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: RE: your article Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com dear joel, thanks for getting back, and btw i was too quick anwering your mail - i saw later that i was you who not only wrote the article but also sent me the notification of the article. that just as a note.. regarding: Would you be interested in answering some more questions and discussing theissues further for an expanded article I would like to write? absolutely, we are particularily interested in the legal aspects that voteauction is now being more and more confronted with (seems to be another parallel to the actual elections ;). and as i said, i considered your article well researched and phrased, so i would gladly answer further questions you might have. sincerely, lizvlx I only knew about the Chicago injunction at the time I went to press. Also, I could not find your domain where you relocated so I could not put it in my article. I know it now. Joel B. Rothman Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.416.0170/fax 561.416.0171 reply to jrothman@seidenlaw.com http://www.seidenlaw.com NOTICE: This electronic message contains information from the law firm of Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. that may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, note that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -----Original Message----- From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:15 AM To: jrothman@seidenlaw.com Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: your article dear mr rothman, i enjoyed very much reading your article, i found it very well put and researched. however, there are just a few notes i would like to add: . not only chicago has issued restraining orders and injunctions, but also missouri (they are claiming consumer rights violations, wrongful promise etc), also wisconsin and massachussetts have issued comparable legal orders. . voteauction is still online, it can be accessed via http://www.voteauction.at and http://voteauction.de and our IP http://62.116.31.68 best, lizvlx, [V]ote-auction -- . . 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Telefon: 030 / 2827754 mobil: 0179 / 5244973 Viele GrŸ§sse, Stefan Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:43:26 +0100 To: From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: Re: my last e-mail Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com yup, have not forgotten. was just a bit busy. coming to your question: is it art. the big question. in our history of producing internet content and sites, we found it suitable to deal with the art idea in the following way: . do you make money with it: then it is commercial . are you associated with a political group, or do you fight for a political idea: then its politics/free speech . is it personal: then its a homepage . is it beautiful: then it is design . is it none of the above: then it is art. this definition is a bit ironic, that' s clear. but it is what most people go by. if i look at the art issue from our personal backgrounds, then sure, we are considered net.artists. we have done and are doing various net.art.projects - but i do not know if looking at the issue from a art.theoretical point of view: what we do is mostly considered to be medai hacking or also called coluture jamming. so the community of artists sees it as art. sure. we personally do not really care if it is art or whatever. we think projects have to appeal to the right target group, and i prefer the "man on the street" to the vernissage crowd. that is, most of the times ;) i hope that answers your question. best lizvlx that means that we are always doing art. Have not heard back from you since the last message. Any comment on my question about art? Joel B. Rothman Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.416.0170/fax 561.416.0171 reply to jrothman@seidenlaw.com http://www.seidenlaw.com NOTICE: This electronic message contains information from the law firm of Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. that may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, note that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -----Original Message----- From: Joel Rothman [mailto:jrothman@webrise.net] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 8:33 AM To: PR [V]ote-auction.com Subject: RE: your article I didn't see a link to the gigalaw.com discussion list in the press area on your site. Here's a link to where the thread starts: http://www.gigalaw.com/archives/0010/gigalaw-discuss-0010-00123.html I agree with the author of this first linked message. Please let me have your comments on it at your convenience. I originally was thinking about asking you questions about the political message conveyed by the voteauction site, your political views, and things of that nature. Then I looked at the biographical material you linked me to. Now my question is a little different. Is voteauction.com art? If so, please explain. Thank you. Joel B. Rothman Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.416.0170/fax 561.416.0171 reply to jrothman@seidenlaw.com http://www.seidenlaw.com NOTICE: This electronic message contains information from the law firm of Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. that may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, note that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -----Original Message----- From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:21 AM To: Joel B. Rothman Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: RE: your article sure, just mail me a list of questions, and i'll answer. cv's/bio here we go:: first me (hehe), then hans. best, lizvlx ########start bio lizvlx / elisabeth haas ####### 2000 lecture at micro lounge, berlin lecture at last tuesday, berlin lecture at berlinbeta3.0, berlin development of voteauction.com / voteauction.at with j.baumgartner founding of bannster.net together with hans_extrem and carl@micromusic.org founding of ubermorgen.org [austrian widerstand/resistance site] working for the following clients at ubermorgen.com: skim.com á cyberhelvetia.ch á sil.at á micromusic.net á cittadelarte.it phalanx.cc á rosa.com á trendbuero/msn.de á sumosushi.de 1999 lecture at SEAFair99, skopke, macedonia, "VR is in y/head" founding of ubermorgen.com together with hans_extrem founding of ubermorgen.net together with hans_extrem and erica dubach project work for R.O.S.A. internet escorts, zurich management (vice president) of ogilvy interactive, vienna founding of etxtreme.ru together with hans_extrem 1998 ars electronica, faces project & website mba university of economics, vienna continous work on 194.152.164.137 [userunfriendly] / http://toilet.sil.at 1997-1995 founding of 194.152.164.137 [userunfriendly] together with andrea mayr diverse web.projects 1994-1992 studies at the academy of fine arts, vienna studies at the university of economics, vienna 1991-1980 school in salzburg/at highschool in ny/usa 30.01. 1973 born in linz, austria ######start bio hans_extrem/etoy.HANS/luzius bernhard######## 2000 founder and CEO of ubermorgen.com, vienna/austria http://www.ubermorgen.com ubermorgen.org / WWWiderstand; resistance-net http://www.ubermorgen.org 1999 founder of ubermorgen.net [network of digital uberbrains] http://www.ubermorgen.net founder etxtreme.ru [read fast! think later!] http://www.etxtreme.ru magister artium [M.F.A.], university of applied arts [uaa], vienna prof. peter weibel 1994-1999 etoy http://www.etoy.com :: etoy.TIMEZONE :: etoy.TANK-17 :: etoy.SHARES :: protected by etoy :: the digital hijack :: etoy.TANKSYSTEM :: etoy.PROMOTION :: etoy.VISUALS :: founder of etoy ; radical computer-animation raves/events/movies text digital [wordwar, tanz du sau] techno-music producer/lyrics [etoy.SOUND] 1995-96 acting experimental and feature films in europe 1974-1991 childhood and work in switzerland 1971 born in yale, ct Thanks for the reply. If it is okay with you I would like to compose a list of questions and e-mail these to you. Also, if you have a bio of yourself I would like to receive that. Joel B. Rothman Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.416.0170/fax 561.416.0171 reply to jrothman@seidenlaw.com http://www.seidenlaw.com NOTICE: This electronic message contains information from the law firm of Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. that may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, note that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -----Original Message----- From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:11 PM To: Joel B. Rothman Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: RE: your article dear joel, thanks for getting back, and btw i was too quick anwering your mail - i saw later that i was you who not only wrote the article but also sent me the notification of the article. that just as a note.. regarding: Would you be interested in answering some more questions and discussing theissues further for an expanded article I would like to write? absolutely, we are particularily interested in the legal aspects that voteauction is now being more and more confronted with (seems to be another parallel to the actual elections ;). and as i said, i considered your article well researched and phrased, so i would gladly answer further questions you might have. sincerely, lizvlx I only knew about the Chicago injunction at the time I went to press. Also, I could not find your domain where you relocated so I could not put it in my article. I know it now. >> Joel B. Rothman Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West Boca Raton, FL 33431 561.416.0170/fax 561.416.0171 reply to jrothman@seidenlaw.com http://www.seidenlaw.com NOTICE: This electronic message contains information from the law firm of Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. that may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, note that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:41:18 +0100 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "[V]ote-auction PR" Subject: http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/ Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:47:32 +0100 To: phil cain From: "[V]ote-auction PR" Subject: Re: Interview hi there, i am so sorry about replaying so late to your enquiry - usually i do better ;) concerning your feature - well, i guess you are probably already finished with it ... but if not, or if i can be of any other help, pls do not hesitate to contact us again. concerning your question: learning more about its plans concerning this election. well, there are also upcoming elections in austria (in vienna to be precise), we have been contacted by - let's say "diverse" individuals to get active in these city elections. then, there has been an enquiry to co-operate for elections in australia. we have not yet established reliable business relations with individuals in the u.k. - we usually always work on a joint-venture basis. if ya need anything more... best lizvlx Dear Sir/Madam I am researching a feature on e-campaigning in the context of the upcoming UK elections. I would like to interview one of those behind [v]ote-auction.com to learn a little more about its plans concerning this election. You can contact me either at this address or at my work address, phil@headstar.com, or on my mobile at +44 797 418 9270. Best regards Phil Cain editor/publisher headstar.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Delivered-To: mailhans@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:27:49 -0700 (PDT) To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Vote Swapping Hits the U.K. From: ====================================================================== This article from THE STANDARD, Intelligence for the Internet Economy, has been sent to you on behalf of hans@ubermorgen.com ====================================================================== Sender's comments: lkjsdf --------------------------------- "Vote Swapping Hits the U.K." As a general election approaches, a U.S.-style trend catches on: Web sites on which people can agree to trade votes. 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