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this site is completely amazing and necessary!
it's great that it's still up.

thanks for reminding FACES to look at it, because I passed over it when
you first mentioned it as well. been telling everyone about it.

best,
zoey kroll

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liz:
it's true!  in fact i'm reading the messages right now.  finally someone
doing something about these pitiful elections....

did forward the url to many many others.

again,
shelly.

At 06:48 PM 10/28/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear Liz,
>
>I think it is fabulously fascinating! Am trying to figure out what to do
>with regard to your site, other than passing the info along to others I
>know. Forgive me, I just need time to absorb it....
>
>Best,
>Nancy Buchanan
>
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Dear Liz,

I think it is fabulously fascinating! Am trying to figure out what to do
with regard to your site, other than passing the info along to others I
know. Forgive me, I just need time to absorb it....

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ah!  now i get it!  it's just that i get so many e-mails and usually just
skim them, so if i don't get it in the first look.

i'll go there right now,
best,s

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>  dear shelly,
>
>  thanks for replying - if i was unclear, lets
>  rephrase:
>
>  vote-auction.com is a platform for the
>  u.s. presidential elections. it provides
>  a forum, a marketplace, for sellers and
>  buyers of votes for the presidency.
>
>  as you can imagine, we are having an incredible
>  media coverage, as well as legal problems. we
>  have a civil suit going on in chicago, and
>  state authorities from various states are
>  threatening us with charges.
>
>  check out the platform
>  http://www.vote-auction.com
>
>  bestz
>  lizvlx
>
>>dear lizvlx:
>>it's not that i'm not interested in the election.  i just didn't understand
>>what your e-mail was about...therefore didn't go to the links.
>>
>>best,
>>shelly.
>>
>>At 10:36 PM 10/28/2000 +0200, you wrote:
>>>dear all,
>>>
>>>it is a bit surprising to me, that
>>>appearantly no-one here cares about
>>>our business vote-auction.com ... ?
>>>
>>>why is that?
>>>
>>>no-one here thinking about the subject
>>>in the heat of the american elections?
>>>
>>>explain.. i really do not get it.
>>>
>>>best
>>  >lizvlx
>>
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dear lizvlx:
it's not that i'm not interested in the election.  i just didn't understand
what your e-mail was about...therefore didn't go to the links.

best,
shelly.

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>it is a bit surprising to me, that
>appearantly no-one here cares about
>our business vote-auction.com ... ?
>
>why is that?
>
>no-one here thinking about the subject
>in the heat of the american elections?
>
>explain.. i really do not get it.
>
>best
>lizvlx
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How come new york is saying that no voters are register'd ??
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Hello,
The link to your message board seems to be broken. May I inqure about 
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Dear lizvlx:
Thank you so much for your quick reply!  You have been a great help.
However, I beg to differ with you on the age question.  First, 
statistically the "type" of person that is participating in this is 
VERY important.  Second, you DO in fact ask for age.  I saw it where 
people sign up to "request donations".  You don't keep this on record?
Thank you again!
Kiley


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From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com>
To: "Kiley Sullivan" <kileysu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A couple questions
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:15:07 +0200


  dear kiley,

  thanks for the email.

  and, here is a madam...

  nice to see that some people in political
  and system theory are thinking about what
  we are doing.

  we are not asking for age, as in the
  voting process age is such an important
  factor. this is why we want to ignore
  this factor.

  and then, most people are not honest concerning
  their age anyway, so we thought, better forget
  about it at all.

  abd it would be great to receive a copy of your
  paper, yo!

  bestz
  lizvlx


>Dear Sirs,
>I am sure with all of the recent legal attention, you are being
>inundated with questions and requests.  I must say I am fascinated
>by your endeavor.  In fact, so much so, I am incorporating your site
>in my thesis on the modern political campaign process.  I have
>already received offers to publish the draft of my paper in a couple
>popular political magazines here in the US.  I am revising my paper
>to incorporate [V]ote-auction.com and the legal issues you are
>facing.  One very important piece of information is missing in your
>User Statistics page: What is the age variation on your registered
>voters?  You show gender, occupation, education, race, etc.  but not
>age.  Any reason why?  Could you please share that information with
>me for the sake of my paper?  It is very important.  I would, of
>course, be happy to send you a copy of the paper before publication,
>if you would like.
>Thank you in advance for your help.
>Kiley Sullivan
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OK, I'm ready. Do I sign something or how do I actually receive payment -- 
exactly how does the transaction of payment take place . Is it before the 
election or after the election that payment happens?   Please let me know as 
I am willing to participate now. THANK YOU!

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You have an excellent site. 

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<x-charset iso-8859-1>I noticed that on your 'Links' page, you do not have any URLs to third party
websites.  I believe it is more likely that third-party supporters would
take advantage of your site than the traditional Democratic/Republican
supporters, as they are consistently looking for a 'backdoor' through which
to make an in-road and get on the map.  Consider marketing to the supporters
of those parties, such as Libertarian, Green Party, Natural Law Party,
Interent Party.
www.lp.org 
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I take it that the courts made you take down the message board?  I always 
knew that my vote wasn't worth a plug nickle.

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>From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com>
>To: "Leo Cabana" <leocabana@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: question
>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:53:40 +0200
>
>>>>I don't understand what would prevent me from selling
>>>>a vote then voting as I please anyway.  Is come kind
>>>>of absentee-voting system employed?  The viability of
>>>>the vote-selling "industry" would seem to hinge on this issue.
>>>
>>>the vote-selling industry is working now, has been
>>>working for years. there is no need to vote differently
>>>to what you are being paid for. if you are a rat, you
>>>will break your oath, if you are a moral person, you
>>>will not. this is soft money. relationships of trust.
>>>
>>>best
>>>lizvlx
>>>
>>
>>Thanks for replying.  But your answer really surprised me.
>>
>>Payment based on trust? How naive!  I get to have my cake and eat it too.
>>
>>And a "moral" person who sells his vote to the highest bidder -- 
>>what a laugh!
>>
>>Leo Cabana
>
>
>dear leo,
>
>if you call trust naive, so be it,
>if you call trustworthy people naive,
>then your weltbild is upside down.
>
>best
>lizvlx
>--

Dear Lizvlx,

Don't get me wrong, my cynicism doesn't apply to trust in general, 
but to trust in the context of a business transaction.  To pay for a 
service, when delivery can't be verified seems fiscally unsound. 
Capitalism is not based on trust, but on mutually verifiable benefit.

On the other hand, humans don't operate on logic alone, so the 
vote-selling industry might thrive anyway.  But I hope not, since 
this perverts democracy by exploiting the short-sightedness of voters 
to the benefit of the wealthy (let's all just sell our votes to Bill 
Gates and let him run the country).  Note that I (as a Libertarian) 
am not against vote sellers' desire for money, nor do I think that 
vote-selling should be illegal.  But I am disturbed by the 
development of yet another technology that translates the ignorance 
of the masses into yet more concentrated power for the wealthy elite. 
This scenario sounds like a morally bankrupt and dangerous one for 
any country.

Regards,
Leo

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How do I get paid and and how do complete my commitment in voting?

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Dear Sirs,
I am sure with all of the recent legal attention, you are being 
inundated with questions and requests.  I must say I am fascinated by 
your endeavor.  In fact, so much so, I am incorporating your site in 
my thesis on the modern political campaign process.  I have already 
received offers to publish the draft of my paper in a couple popular 
political magazines here in the US.  I am revising my paper to 
incorporate [V]ote-auction.com and the legal issues you are facing. 
One very important piece of information is missing in your User 
Statistics page: What is the age variation on your registered voters? 
You show gender, occupation, education, race, etc.  but not age.  Any 
reason why?  Could you please share that information with me for the 
sake of my paper?  It is very important.  I would, of course, be 
happy to send you a copy of the paper before publication, if you 
would like.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Kiley Sullivan
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First off, I think your site/idea are great.  I was
just talking about the Presidential Election last
night, and how it is funny that the President is
actually elected by only a fraction of the people who
actually live in the US.  It was then that I thought
about the idea that the government should pay people
to Vote.. I mean, if people could make $100 for thier
vote, we might actually get an election turn out that
is worth it.

As for all these people who have "ethical" issues with
it.. they need to get thier heads out of thier a$$es
and wake up.  Why is it wrong for the American People
to take money for votes, when our elected officials do
it ALL the time.. hell, if they didn't, we wouldn't
have so many lobbiest (and don't even get me started
on Unions).  

I guess the reason the big wigs would have such a
problem with it is either a> Its not thier pockets
that are getting the money. or b> It could actually
change how politics works (who knows, maybe a 3rd
party could actually win -- and looking at my two
choices for this upcoming election I think it wouldn't
be hard to find someone better than "Tweetle Dee &
Tweetle Dumb" <Gore & Bush>.

Don't let the legal system stomp on you just because
you are some multimillion dollar company.  (which if
you were I'm sure you could make a few donations to
Senators and this whole thing could go away)

Anyone who says it is the American People who decide
the elections is smoking something (even if they are
not inhaling)..  The cold, simple truth is that MONEY
makes the US go around.. and it is just plain
insultive when people say that it isn't and that
paying people for thier votes would have "moral
issues".

Anywho, I'm done ranting..  Best of Luck..

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Your website is not as clear as it should be on exactly how it is one 
gets paid for their vote, or how exactly that vote is "delivered" to 
those who want.

Please explain clearly.

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<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">Hey, Got a case pending with INS.
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Herr Bernhard,

Allow me my congratulations give! That the city of Chicago includes the entire country of Austria true not is, nicht wahr? Parachute troops of Chicago Polizi upon you they perhaps planning dropping are? A great statement to the world about the Internet and International law you making are! The whole world watches! American cities or the U.S. Federal Government not the Internet does own! You a great fighter for freedom are! We who love freedom to you are on-looking. Even Americans for you applaud! 

Danke Shön,
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Hi i registered for NY - Follette, James and your system is showing that you
have no votes for bid in New York.  Just thought I'd let you know! :)  Its
gotta be a hot state - - one of the hottest races in the country between
lazio and clinton!

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Please let me know what my vote can be worth!  Thanks

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>From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com>
>To: "Leo Cabana" <leocabana@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: question
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:50:25 +0200
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>
>
>>I don't understand what would prevent me from selling
>>a vote then voting as I please anyway.  Is come kind
>>of absentee-voting system employed?  The viability of
>>the vote-selling "industry" would seem to hinge on this issue.
>
>the vote-selling industry is working now, has been
>working for years. there is no need to vote differently
>to what you are being paid for. if you are a rat, you
>will break your oath, if you are a moral person, you
>will not. this is soft money. relationships of trust.
>
>best
>lizvlx
>

Thanks for replying.  But your answer really surprised me.

Payment based on trust? How naive!  I get to have my cake and eat it too.

And a "moral" person who sells his vote to the highest bidder -- what a laugh!

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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Dear Sirs:

Exposing truth through satire, BRAVO!

Your website is brilliant.  Of course I dont believe in buying or selling of
votes but I dont think you do either.

Sincerely,

Mark



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Dear Sir:

Capitalism is argueably the world's most effective tool to providing a better
life for many people.  It rallies people to do more for themselves, and as a
result for each other, than any other politico-economic system in history.
Capitalism has given you the opportunity to create your own vote "brokering"
business.    In your web site you have highlighted some very interesting (and
rare) cases of influence peddling in the American voting arena.   I think you
will find that the vast majority of people (and especially Amercans) find it
distasteful. You have made the wild assumption that the American vote is for
sale based upon your weak analysis of four insignificant events in American
history.  From your in-depth analysis your able deduce that the American vote is
for sale.

There are many ways of making money over the internet...and as I am a web
developer by profession I know this to be true.  Surley you can think of a more
positive and produtive way of making your fortune.  As it stands, you business
venture defines you as negative and  pessemistic .  Best of luck.

Paul Kitko

P.S. You can take your website, roll it up real tight and CRAM IT!

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question!</title></head><body>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">Hi Hans,</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">I first wanted to let you know that
I really enjoy your site and what you have to offer your audience for
the Election 2000!&nbsp; You did a great job&nbsp;collecting and
aggregating information in a nice user-friendly format! I work for a
company called </font><a
href="http://www.DedicationChannel.com"><font face="Arial"
size="-1">www.DedicationChannel.com</font></a><font face="Arial"
size="-1"> which is a second generation Free greeting card site
that&nbsp;I would love to have as a link on your&nbsp;
vote-auction.com site. Our Election 2000 page is at the
URL:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><a
href="http://dedicationchannel.com/jsp/special-election.jsp"><font
face="Arial" size="-1">http://dedicationchannel.com/jsp/special-<span
></span>election.jsp</font></a><font face="Arial"
size="-1"></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">From the creators of Ren &amp;
Stimpy, DedicationChannel.com offers a personalized greeting card
site with cool graphics, customizable greetings, a library of over 2
million songs, sound effects, and Òtalking EmailÓ where animated
cartoon characters speak your voice! Our users can send a greeting
card and win cash weekly. <b>Our&nbsp;Election 2000 page which links
off of our homepage&nbsp;and contains aggregated Electorial/Party
information and Free Election Greetings by
a&nbsp;well-known&nbsp;political&nbsp;caricaturist</b>.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">Please let me know if you have any
questions or comments.&nbsp;&nbsp;Our site would give your audience a
card solution where they could actually win cash with no strings
attached.&nbsp; We also have great creative banners and buttons
with&nbsp;Political themes if you would like to showcase them on your
site. I look forward to hearing from you soon.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">Sincerely,<br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">Alan</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">Alan&nbsp;Lasky</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">DedicationChannel.com</font></div>
<div><a href="mailto:alan@dedicationchannel.com"><font face="Arial"
size="-1">alan@dedicationchannel.com</font></a><font face="Arial"
size="-1"></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">818-548-5047 </font></div>
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:38:06 -0400
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="-1" color="#0000FF">Hang in
there!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; While I donÕt plan to buy or sell any
votes, I support your right to have your site.</font><br>
</div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="-1" color="#0000FF">It is
especially ironic that your current big hassles are coming from
Chicago, notorious as the most crooked place for elections in the
entire US.</font><br>
</div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="-1" color="#0000FF">I donÕt
see how they can shut you down when you are outside the US.</font><br>
</div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="-1" color="#0000FF">I
appreciate what you are doing out there, and perhaps it will help
draw attention to our crooked, sleazy, money-based election campaign
process and all the special interest favors it buys.</font><br>
</div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="-1"
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2" color="#FF0000">Brian
Meyette</font><br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2" color="#FF0000">Certified
Oracle Applications DBA</font><br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2" color="#FF0000">Business
Software Support Group, LLC</font><br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2" color="#FF0000">Cornish,
NH</font><br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2"
color="#0000FF">brian@turbont.net</font><br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2" color="#FF0000">(603)
543-7967</font><br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2" color="#FF0000">(617)
306-6245&nbsp; cell</font><br>
</div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2" color="#FF0000">(603)
507-0729&nbsp; fax</font><br>
</div>
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Not long ago, I sent this same question to your information
email address, and have not received an answer.

I am interested in making a contribution to influence votes
in favor of a candidate whose campaign I manage, but we are
concerned that there is no way we can be guaranteed that
our contributions will have any effect whatsoever. Frankly,
I don't believe that you can enforce, legally or practically,
any commitment on whom a voter casts his/her vote for. Nor
can you even find out.

Please help me understand how my contribution will
accomplish its purpose.

Thanks in advance,

Rosemarie Faex
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At 17:09 2000-10-25 +0200, you wrote:
>dear a-l
>
>regarding your question,
>
>>What's to stop the same bunch that took your registration down last 
>>time from doing the same with vote-auction.com? Remember that the 
>>city of Chicago has from your viewpoint, essentially unlimited 
>>legal resources and is likely to get cooperation from US 
>>authorities.
>
>the registry we registered the new domain with is located in
>germany and therefore it is not as easy to execute a
>chicago ruling with them, as it was with domainbank who are
>located in the us.

That's a distinct improvement...

>>While it's possible that they might attempt to block access to a 
>>foriegn domain, I don't even think the US government would be 
>>willing to try something with a 100% guarantee of massive trouble.
>
>exactly.

Well, good luck then.
A.Lizard

>best
>lizvlx
>
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At 15:08 2000-10-24 +0200, you wrote:
>>>Domain Bank, an accredited domain name registrar in Bethlehem, Pa., that
>>>registered the site, has taken steps to place the domain name on hold, in
>>>response to a request from the California secretary of state. The address
>>>can no longer be accessed on the East Coast and should disappear completely
>>>from the Net in the next couple of days, a Domain Bank spokesman said.
>>
>>I suggest you get a new domain name in ANY domain but the US (watch 
>>out on the pacific island domains like .to and .nu, most of those 
>>domain name servers are hosted in the USA) ... a country that 
>>doesn't like the USA might be in order. Or find out if Sealand is 
>>running yet.
>
>hi a.l
>
>thx for the tip, please read our press.release

thanks

>and visit http://www.vote-auction.com

What's to stop the same bunch that took your registration down last 
time from doing the same with vote-auction.com? Remember that the 
city of Chicago has from your viewpoint, essentially unlimited legal 
resources and is likely to get cooperation from US authorities.

While it's possible that they might attempt to block access to a 
foriegn domain, I don't even think the US government would be willing 
to try something with a 100% guarantee of massive trouble.

A.Lizard

>yourZ truly
>hans bernhard
>
>
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>Vote-auction.com back online
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>Berlin, October 22, 2000
>
>Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com
>[formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant
>information on the latest developments of the site and the
>people and users behind it.
>
>You can also find this press release at
>http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm
>
>For any further information feel free to contact
>pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>[V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com
>
>The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com
>has regained access to the web via its new domain
>
>http://www.vote-auction.com
>
>During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has
>been passed concerning the website which explores the
>high-risk consumer markets of the American election
>industry.
>
>The site's original domain had been ordered shut down
>by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois
>earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took
>their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost
>everybody related to the existence of the website, the
>owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy
>paper for version 2.0 of the project.
>
>
>[V] Sue 'em 'til they drop...
>
>The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every
>effort to get the site out of service during the last
>2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project,
>James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans
>Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest
>to sue:
>
>. domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where
>  the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered.
>  It is defendant in named Chicago legal case.
>
>. silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as
>  well as of one of the top technical staff are also named
>  defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is
>  vote-auction.com's internet access provider.
>
>
>[V] (Il)legal Battle?
>
>It remains open for discussion how it should be possible
>that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider
>could ever be responsible for contents accessible via
>domains they are providing routing services for.
>Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total
>violation of standards set by ICANN.
>
>We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's
>name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of
>repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline.
>
>Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to
>work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain-
>bank being involved in the legal case, the provider
>"politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them
>with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs.
>Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we
>asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain
>to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by
>domainbank, as they had at that time already made
>a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the
>domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain-
>bank's executives.
>
>Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide
>you with a clear statement from their president:
>
>"SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com.
> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing
> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very
> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com
> in russia and japan."
>
>
>[V] Users give full support - despite potential respression
>
>Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their
>support in various emails. This is another reason why
>we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S.
>legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com
>works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on
>protecting any data which has been submitted to us by
>trusting users.
>
>Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to
>user rights. The court has ordered all data of users
>registered with the site to be disclosed to the
>authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in
>Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually
>for so-called "voter fraud".
>
>
>[V] Where to go from here
>
>Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services
>to the vital elections markets. We will keep on
>focusing on the American elections until mid-November
>this year. In the meantime we will also finish our
>redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready
>for upcoming elections worldwide.
>
>
>For the Vote-auction.com team:
>
>lizvlx
>[V]ote-auction.com
>
>
>PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via
> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain:
>
> pr@vote-auction.com
> http://www.vote-auction.com
>
>We will not be able to receive messages sent to the
>old address. Thank you.
>
>
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Read this:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/10/21/1722227&cid=54

This is actually kind of cool.

I live in a swing state and I'd love to trade my vote with someone in a
non-swing state to vote for an independent.  You think you could
facilitate this?


-- 
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my name is dale lezon. i'm a reporter with the houston chronicle
newspaper in houston, texas. i'd like to talk with you about the web
site. specifically, i'd like to find out how many, if any, people in
houston and/or texas have auctioned their votes or how many people in
houston and/or texas have contacted the site. with texas governor Bush
running, the site is of speical interest to texans.
here are a few questions. if you would answer them, i'd appreciate it.

have any votes been auctioned? is the site a satire on the u.s.
political system?

is it a money-making project? where did the idea for the site originate?

does the site contain all the u.s. federal, state and local elections?

does it contain elections from other countires?

The judge ordered the website shut down; is that why i can't scoll down
to auction offerings?

who owns the site?

if you could answer these questions and contact me i would appreciate
it. you can e-mail or call me at 1-713-220-7523. thank you, dale.

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<div>One thing about your site that may make it inaccessible to some
people.&nbsp; The left hand navigation bar does not scroll when at a
resolution of 800x600 and using netscape or internet explorer because
you have the scrolling set to no<br>
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So you will send me money for my vote?

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EAR PLUGS
After doing party preparatory work all day Saturday, the Degenerate Press
staff met a mess o' degenerates at your editor's favorite Mexican food
restaurant, El Potro, for cheap margaritas and piles of food.
Coincidentally, a couple of The Ditchdiggers were there (thanks again for
the shot, guys!) and mentioned their work on an upcoming album.
Afterward some of us hit the Star Bar. We arrived at 10 and the joint was
empty, so we hung out on the patio for more drinks. Eventually we slunk
upstairs to catch White Lights. It's a strange, postmodern mix of 50's
rockabilly/twang and eerie lounge music, including a violin and xylophone
accompanying the usual big guitar sounds and minimalist percussion. It's
tough to describe but if you're in the mood for something odd and different
check 'em out.
Sunday the preparations continued with more decor arrangements and record
sorting and such. We've mailed invites to just about everyone who asked for
one so if you don't get yours by Monday yell, or check out the on-line
version. They're not as nice as the print version, but they're passable:
http://www.degeneratepress.com/invite/halloween_invite.jpg
http://www.degeneratepress.com/invite/halloween_map.gif
By the way, I've gotten several degenerates requesting the traditional
Degenerate Press New Year's Bash. I'll do some informal polling at the
Halloween party and see if I think we can pull it off but it's looking like
"If you build it, they will come." You might want to start looking into
airfare, explosives, the usual. You've been warned.

BLASPHEMY
According to the Ralph Nader web site, " Ralph Nader was denied entry
Tuesday night to the campus of Washington
University by the Commission on Presidential Debates, despite  the fact
that he had a valid pass and was scheduled to be interviewed by WUTV, the
campus television station. This marks the second time in two weeks that the
CPD, in association with local law enforcement, has unlawfully denied Nader
access to a university campus hosting a presidential debate."
http://votenader.org/press/0001018singledout.html
I've had several degenerates say they'd registered to vote this election
just so they could vote Nader. I'd like to that those, and anyone else that
won't vote Bush or Gore!

SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER
We caught the neighbor's mover on fire cutting the grass, but it's done.
We got the invites on-line too:
http://www.degeneratepress.com/invite/halloween_invite.jpg
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They're not as nice as the print version, but they'll do.
We hit every thrift store in town for the soundtrack.
We've been assembling the furnishings and decor for decades.  October 28,
Saturday, it all pays off - degenerate SW's 30th birthday party, the
Degenerate Press editor's 33rd birthday party, and the DP Housewarming and
Halloween party all in one night, all in one place - Degenerate Press' HQ.
It's a costume event with a 70's theme (SW was born in 1970) so either dust
off the bell-bottoms and leisure suits, or figure out some clever 70's
reference on your own. Door prizes for best costumes!
Assuming the weather outside isn't frightful, we're gonna kick things off
around 4 in the afternoon for the outdoor grill and frisbee fetishists out
there, and for those who have kids/dogs they can't leave at home even for a
couple hours.
As the daylight degenerates, so will we - we'll kick out the kids and kick
out the jams (there was more to the 70's than disco!), suck down some
beverages (various, but if you're a beer/wine/liquor snob you might want to
bring your own), and surprise you with other eclectic entertainment.
Contact us with your postal address for an invite!

INFRASTRUCTURE
The unsubscribe for this broadcast is "I finally got to turn the heat on in
my house!"

Now you can order the Degenerate Press Fun Pack online, and for FREE! Just
go to: http://www.degeneratepress.com/auctions/ and click on the Pay Pal
banner. It's free to sign up, then you can email editor@degeneratepress.com
the $5 instead of using snail mail!  Even better - if you've never signed
up for Pay Pal you GET $5 so the fun pack ends up being FREE - YES, FREE.
The Degenerate Press Fun Pack 2000 includes the first ever Degenerate Press
comic, three zines, a sticker and surprises galore - a $763.98 dollar value
-  all for the low low price of $5! Comic only is $3. Pick it up in person
and save a buck. (We've had requests to bring a few to the drive in on
Tuesdays  so if you see us there ask us.)

In case you're new to our broadcast, welcome. We broadcast on Sundays and
Wednesdays, unless we've got something better to do or just don't feel like
it. We only post shows and events we recommend, usually from experience, so
you're guaranteed to like it or your money back! Of course, this is a free
service and you get what you pay for. We encourage you to write in with
your own reviews, classifieds, poems, prose, dirty pictures, whatever you
want in print. If it's strictly for "off the record" please specify!

CLASSIFIEDS
Cleaned this out again. Send us somethin'.

PROPHESY
October 23, Monday
Movie night at Echo, with a special Halloween theme - Evil Dead 2, and
Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Free! And pumpkin margaritas cheap.

October 25, Wednesday
Moto-Litas wrap up their Wednesdays at the Star Bar, with Telepathics,
Sound Device.

October 26, Thursday
Pink Eye, Trash Candies, Born To Please at Dottie's.
Pineal Ventana, Suplecs, High On Fire at the EARL.
In Athens go see Jucifer, Melt Banana at the 40 Watt.

October 27, Friday
Melt Banana, Telepathics, Drill Team at Echo.
The Cashmen play at the Georgia Tech Student Ballroom, sponsored by The
Georgia Tech Swing Dance Association. "This particular night will be themed
a "50s Monster Mash." We'll be doing two sets of rockabilly and jump blues
(new stuff and our usual stuff, minus a lot of the country tunes) and DJ
Alan White will spin a set of big band in between our sets. Should be a
good time." Free swing lessons at 8, show begins at 9.
The EARL is having a free show with a pajama/slumber party theme featuring
The Woggles, The Figgs, and Slumber Party.

October 28, Saturday
It's degenerate SW's 30th birthday party, the Degenerate Press editor's
33rd birthday party, and the DP Housewarming and Halloween party all in one
night, all in one place - Degenerate Press' HQ. It's a costume event with a
70's theme so either dust off the bell-bottoms and leisure suits, or figure
out some clever 70's reference on your own. Door prizes for best costumes!
Assuming the weather outside isn't frightful, we're gonna kick things off
around 4 in the afternoon for the outdoor grill and frisbee fetishists out
there, and for those who have kids/dogs they can't leave at home even for a
couple hours.
As the daylight degenerates, so will we - we'll kick out the kids and kick
out the jams (there was more to the 70's than disco!), suck down some
beverages (various, but if you're a beer/wine/liquor snob you might want to
bring your own), and surprise you with other eclectic entertainment.
Speaking of bring your own, bring your favorite 70's record (yes, RECORD -
them big, black things your parents used to own.) Contact us with your
postal address for an invite!
The Georgia Clean Energy, Clean Air Festival will take place on Saturday,
October 28, 2000 From 10:30 am-dark in Centennial Olympic Park.  The Georgia
Clean Energy, Clean Air Festival is a free, solar-powered, all-day festival
with music provided by primarily Georgia-based artists and information
presented by local and national environmental speakers.
10:30   T. H. E.  Percussion Choir and the Emerson Drummers
11:05   Intro. of Earth Challenge Riders
11:15   Tom Nielson
11:30   Janet McLaughlin
12:20   Jennifer Nettles Band
1:15    Special Guest
1:55    Michelle Malone Stars
3:05    SPEECH (of Arrested Developement)
4:00    Parade to Degenerate Press HQ for the 70's Halloween Housewarming
Birthday Bash.
Over at Criminal Records check out a free 6X show at 3 and still have
plenty of time to swing over to our Halloween Housewarming Bash!

October 29, Sunday
Misfits, Impotent Sea Snakes, Murphy's Law, Primative Reason all cram into
the Masquerade as part of the Freaker's Ball. It's $20 in advance, and
kicks off at 7.

October 31, Tuesday, Halloween
X-Impossibles, Gargantua, Hillbilly Werewolf at Echo Lounge, complete with
a haunted house and mad scientist lab.
Hainous Beinfang, Hot August Knights, Shady's Leash do The EARL.

November 1, Wednesday
Kenny Howes & The Yeah!, Beautiful Yard Games at the Star Bar. Kenny Howes
is doing the weekly Wednesdays this month.

November 3, Friday
6X CD release party at the Star Bar, with Catfight!, Pretty Vacant.
Mandorico, The Velveteens at the Cotton Club.

November 10, Friday
Bindlestiff Family Cirkus is in town tonight, either at the EARL or Echo.
Greasepaint will be there too.

November 11, Saturday
Kingsized, Hot August Knights at the Star Bar.

November 17 - 19
Exoticon in New Orleans at the Radisson on Canal Street. It's not a great
con for parties 'cause it can't compete with Bourbon Street so most of the
fans end up leaving the hotel more than sticking around, but it's friendly
and fun regardless and you might end up partying all night in the French
Quarter with your favorite sci-fi/b-movie/cam-girl celeb. Check out
http://www.exoticon.net/ for more details. It looks like Degenerate Press
staffers will make it this year! See our report on last year's Exoticon at
http://www.degeneratepress.com/travel/neworleans99.htm

November 17, Friday
Check out Alejandro Escovedo, and Glory Fountain at the Star Bar as part of
Stomp and Stammer's anniversary party.

November 18, Saturday
Star Room Boys, Suzette and the Neon Angles at the Star Bar.

November 24, Friday
Work off all that turkey deal meal at the Star Bar with Drive By Truckers, Lona

November 25, Saturday
Young Antiques, Nowhere Squares, Stimulants at the Star Bar.

December 8, Friday
The last Jim Stacy/Big Tobacco party of the year is tonight at Trader Vics.
2 free drink tickets for those with VIP passes and the Penetrators will be
doing an entire Don Ho set.

December 31, Monday
I've gotten several degenerates requesting the traditional Degenerate Press
New Year's Bash. I'll do some informal polling at the Halloween party and
see if I think we can pull it off but it's looking like "If you build it,
they will come." You might want to start looking into airfare, explosives,
the usual.
"It seems like the perfect place to greet the coming Armageddon. (God,
unlike small minded mortals, knows that the end of the millennium occurs at
the end of this year).  Actually, you'd think that the return would be
2,000 years after Jesus' DEATH rather than his birth. Actually, the only
reason to expect Armageddon, is the fact that the Degenerates are having a
party. See ya there." degenerate JH
"The most irresponsible fun I've had since... ever." degenerate BC

January 12 - 14, 2001
Chattacon XXVI, a fun little con with little to do but sit and drink
yourself into a stupor. Free beer to do it with too, as well as free food.
At the Clarion Hotel in Chattanooga, Tennessee. For more info check out
http://www.chattacon.org/

April 12 - 15
Fantasm at Crowne Plaza, 6345 Powers, Ferry Rd, Atlanta, GA. Damn, I can't
wait. See http://www.fantasm.org for more details.

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Gruß Gott,

I noticed a common mistake with your website.  When I try to go to 'vote-auction.com' rather than 'www.vote-auction.com', I am redirected to 'http://www.etxtreme.com/home.html'.  I thought you might like to know.

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The Federal election in Canada will take place on Nov 27th!!!!

Canada is the best wired country in the world with over 70% of
its population with internet access!!

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you people need to look at your website on smaller resolutions.  My god, 
learn how to design a website.  I'm on my laptop and cant' even scroll dow or 
to the right.  Nice, scrolling options you didn't allow.  YOU HAVE TO DESIGN 
FOR SMALL RESOLUTIONS AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING FRAMES.  I just saw your 
main man on cnn's talkback live.   what a joke.  they are all laughing at 
this guy.

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<x-charset iso-8859-1>So how exactly does this work and is it legal?

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Hi.

I have another question.  The numbers on the site are fabricated; you have 
mentioned that.

Here is a concern.  The people who registered may face harassment from 
government officials, even though they never intended to buy or sell votes.  
In an earlier e-mail, you stated that you had collected information solely 
for demographic purposes.  However, there is now the issue that Chicago and 
Illinois and USA officials may attempt to prosecute people.  How is their 
privacy guaranteed?

Here's more news about what is happening here:

http://news.cnet.com/news//0-1005-200-3274948.html

Thanks,

Steve Imparl

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<x-charset iso-8859-1>No answer expected or required (NAR).

You go.  Give 'em hell.

Remember the Chicago city motto: "Vote early, vote often."

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In a message dated 10/23/2000 10:09:51 AM Central Daylight Time, 
pr@vote-auction.com writes:

>   i need to scan it first - i only have a fax copy
>    from silverserver, as we never received anything
>    personally.
>  
>    i will try and send it to you tomorrow.
>  
>    if i forget, pl remind me!
>  
>    thanks
>    lizvlx
>  

Great.

Thanks.

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In a message dated 10/23/2000 9:37:08 AM Central Daylight Time, 
pr@vote-auction.com writes:

> yup, thanks...!
>  
>  >Welcome back online!

Do you have a copy of the Illinois court order that you can send to me?

Thanks,

Steve Imparl

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<x-charset iso-8859-1>What is ; lizvlx ?
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Hope you can tear this system called politics to shreds, Fuck the
government. Vote NADER

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Hello,

I asked a question by email several weeks ago and recieved no reply. 
My question again:  How does vote-aution.com ensure that a purchased 
vote will be cast for the candidate that the buyer wishes?

I don't understand what would prevent me from selling a vote then 
voting as I please anyway.  Is come kind of absentee-voting system 
employed?  The viability of the vote-selling "industry" would seem to 
hinge on this issue.

Thanks,
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To Whom It May Concern,
I'm concerned about transmitting personal data on your forms page that is not 
secure.
                  
                                                                       
Anthony Vellturo

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Welcome back online!

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In a message dated 10/15/2000 4:11:49 PM Central Daylight Time, 
pr@voteauction.com writes:

> Steven,
>  
>  You mentioned in one of your posts that you moderated a discussion list 
> where the
>  topic of voteauction.com was raised.  Would it be possible to view an 
> archive of
>  that list?  If it is a private list, would you be able to relate the tenor 
> of the
>  discussion.  One of the main points of creating something like voteauction 
> is to
>  generate discussion about issues involved.  We have found a couple of 
> discussion
>  boards where it came up, but we are interested in finding documentation of 
> any
>  discussion.  We understand if you are not comfortable sharing this 
> information
>  with us if it is a private discussion.
>  

Hello.

Did you go to our Web site?  I have invited you to join the WEB-LAW 
discussion group.  The automated invitation will tell you how to join.

Thanks,

Steve Imparl

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:29:38 -0400
Subject: your site
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Noticed that you got shut down.  I'm not sure how serious you were, but
you definitely got some attention.  And personally I think that the
actions of the officials of Cook County, IL against you were unwarranted.
 

While I think you have a valid point in regards to how political
campaigns have essentially become business endeavors, I would never, ever
"sell" my vote.  The moral and ethical questions aside, it does not,
based upon my experience, make economic sense.  I have worked for
Mayoral, Congressional, Senatorial, and even Presidential campaigns, and
they are notoriously bad employers.  At least when it comes to the bottom
line.  I rarely got paid on time.  And frequently, when I got a check, I
was encouraged not to deposit it "until further notice."  Too many
campaigns are fueled by credit, and too many leave their bills unpaid for
years after the campaign is over.  

Given my experience, if I sold my vote, I know that I would quite
possibly have to wait a good 2 years before I received payment.  No
thanks.

All the same, kudos to you!  You have, in a very creative way, created a
forum for what can possibly be a very constructive dialogue regarding our
political system.

Hope you get back on-line soon,
Tom Fogarty

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     I'm offering MY vote. Let me know what I need to do next. I'm not about
to let them tell me just how I use it, hehehe!

     Let me know at this addy:

      phiberoptik@yahoo.com


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<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">im still interested in the auction
if i can participate, i live in michigan.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="-1">email:
bdpriest@yahoo.com</font></div>
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 dear tristan,

 danke fuer mail etc.

 war bis heute in den ferien.

 wegen des videos: das war bis vor kurzem
 online bei cnn erhaeltlich, aber nun nicht
 mehr anscheinend.

 aber trotzdem probieren:

 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram

 auf die videokassette warten wir selber noch.

 best
 lizvlx


>Sehr geehrte Frau Haas,
>
>da ich =9Fber Fake-Art promoviere und an der Uni morgen einen Vortrag =9Fbe=
r
>vote-auction halte, w=9Frde ich mir gerne das CNN-Video ausleihen, falls=
 Ihr es
>auf Video mitgeschnitten habt. Die Internet-Qualit=8At ist leider zu schlec=
ht.
>Ob ich da wohl gleich mal vorbeikommen kann?
>
>Ergebenst Ihr Tristan
>
>Tel.: 030/29493148

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To whom it may concern,

I'm writing mostly to express my gratitude for your activities!
Keep up the great work, someone ought to do it....!

BTW: saw you are suing CORE here in Switzerland - if I can be of ANY
help
in your (or RTMarks) activities feel free to contact me. I'm an IT
professional living
in Switzerland with a strong interest in privacy and civil rights....

Take Care,
Lucius



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who is nader?


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Hi,

What has happened to hell.com!!!! If you know, could you let me know.

Many thanks

Anthony
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Greetings,

Well done gentlemen, well done. I believe screwing the american court
system is a wonderful idea. I applaud your efforts, and if we can be of
assistance, drop us an e-mail.

Allen G
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www.SavvyMoose.com

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Thank you!

"PR [V]ote-auction.com" wrote:
> 
>   FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> 
>   --------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   [V]ote-auction announces END-RESULTS of GRAND AUCTION
> 
>   --------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   Vienna/Berlin, November 7th, 2000, 5am CET
> 
>   Below is the latest press release by [V]ote-auction:
> 
>   http://62.116.31.68
>   http://www.voteauction.de / realname: voteauction
>   [formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com].
> 
>   You can also find this press release at
>   http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm
> 
>   For any further information feel free to contact
>   pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our
>   ubermorgen.com hotlines:
> 
>   berlin +49-175-2066954
>   vienna +43 676 9300061
> 
>   -------------------------------------------------------
>   It's different because it's fundamentally different:
> 
>   [V]ote-auction                   http://62.116.31.68
>   -------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   [V] Intro
> 
>   [V]ote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to
>   annnounce the end-results of the grand - or, perhaps more
>   accurately, notorious - [V]ote-auction GAME.
> 
>   Many participants acted as if they had actually considered it a
>   real business; in fact, it was indeed a real-life game for voters
>   who finally had found a way to think about what their vote is
>   worth on the free market; and to themselves.
> 
>   For us, the operators, it turned out to be less of a action-
>   service and more of a legal rollercoaster.
> 
>   [V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Business?
> 
>   Lots has been said about how to distinguish between a real business
>   and a cartoon in a sunday newspaper:
>   http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram
> 
>   Most of these nice sayings are true for the offline world - but on
>   the net, things are different.
> 
>   Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial playground
>   a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between
>   any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site
>   was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have
>   learned. Try any web-site and try to check out if they are for "real",
>   here a small test-environment:
> 
>   http://yesrudy.com
>   http://gatt.org
>   http://rtmark.com/gwbush/
>   http://www.fpo.at
>   http://www.microsoft.com
> 
>   There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why
>   it is called an interlinked system and not a book.
> 
>   You'd better learn the differenciate now! If not, you might
>   fall for a real prank one day!
> 
>   [V] Who is suing whom?
> 
>   legal platform coming soon: http://www.ipnic.org
>   < the nic is the content is the user is the net >
> 
>   Here an excerpt of the current situation:
> 
>   . Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers
>     reason: "selling votes"
>     status: injunction order
> 
>   . Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers
>     reason: "false promises to consumers"
>     status: injunction order
> 
>   . Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our providers
>     reason: "selling and buying of votes"
>     status: injunction order
> 
>   . Various "investigations" by Attorney Generals
>     reason: diverse
>     status: unknown
> 
>   . [V]ote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland
>     reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service
>     status: preparation
> 
>   It seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre
>   of action-art: DIGITAL LEGAL ART. appearantly it is even not so
>   much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal
>   most, but the people in U.S. legal offices... very sexy!
> 
>   Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped, as
>   it will be obvious, even to the legal folk, that there are
>   people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is
>   not us. We just gave you the showcase. The real dealers do
>   their businesses quite openly in Washington. Vive la difference!
> 
>   [V] Campaigning for our rights
> 
>   We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support
>   we need and enjoy. To those who despise us: Thank you also!
> 
>   We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active
>   support and intelligent modes of communication.
> 
>   To those who think that we have now given up: Come on! We
>   have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is,
>   at the time, NOT a free place. It is directly and indirectly
>   controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is
>   basically owned by the U.S. Ministry of Commerce [well, then
>   maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the
>   Ministry of Commerce].
> 
>   If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike
>   time - they just do it! Cynical? No. Realistic. Or should ICANN
>   bring Capitalism and DemoCRAZY closer together? Or maybe even
>   CORE?
> 
>   So... if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere!
> 
>   [V] What is new on the Site
> 
>   We have opened our site and data to the public, so everyone
>   can see for him or herself what is happening. Feel free to
>   access the user database - and do not be surprised to find
>   no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not
>   necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice...
> 
>   What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody
>   who dared to play [V]ote-auction. If you ask yourself if the
>   numbers are real - that is an intelligent question - but has
>   never been answered on the net. Neither can we answer it.
> 
>   You will have to be quick to access the site - we will put
>   it into real legal context by November 8th.
> 
>   When the game is over, the players have to go home!
> 
>   [V] Statistics [Nov. 7th 2000, 3am CET]
> 
>   [] polls
> 
>   International poll:      National poll:
>   63.3% gore               45.0% gore
>   14.3% bush               44.1% bush
>   22.4% nader              10.9% nader
> 
>   Vote-auction legal or illegal:
>   75.3% legal
>   09.4% illegal
>   15.3% dont know
> 
>   Would you rather go voting if you got paied for it:
>   70.0% yes
>   30.0% no
> 
>   [] Global media quick-stats
> 
>   Topic:                              numbers         %
>   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
>   Mailingslists/newsgroups:     13,765 articles     75%
>   Online-magazines:                898 articles     19%
>   Print-magazines:                 258 articles     03%
>   Print-newspapers:                812 articles     24%
>   TV-segments:                     147 reports      03%
>   Radio-segments:                  231 reports      05%
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
>   Press-archive under: http://62.116.31.68/news.htm
> 
>   [] Supporter quick-stats
> 
>   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
>   Emails received in the last 9 days    2451
>   Support sites                          213
>   Attorneys offering their services       11
>   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
> 
>   [] Legal quick-stats
> 
>   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
>   Civil-lawsuits filed against [V]ote-auction
>   and related individuals and companies            18
>   General Attorney investigations running          15
>   Lawsuits by vote-auction against corenic.org     01
>   Legal documents received by postal services
>   or via Fax [approx. 250 pounds]                 112 kg
>   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
> 
>   [V] Credits
> 
>   James Baumgartner
>   ubermorgen.com
>   RTMark.com
>   SILVER SERVER / sil.at
>   enemy.org
>   joker.com
>   hell.com
>   thinkfactory.de
>   pixelmassaker.com
>   cnn.com
>   etoyACTION.com
>   ACLU.org
> 
>   For a list of support web-sites
>   http://62.116.31.68/news.htm#support
> 
>   [V] Final note
> 
>   We wish all 3 candidates the best of luck for Election Day,
>   and may the guy with the best looks - oops, sorry, the
>   best ideas and intentions - win.
> 
>   Goodbye to you, you have been a great audience!
> 
>   For the Vote-auction team
> 
>   lizvlx               hans_extrem
>   the-woman-behind     the-guy-who-gets-sued
> 
>   [V]ote-auction
>   “To be or not to be! Just do it!"
> 
>   PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via
>   web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain:
> 
>       pr@[62.116.31.68]
>       http://62.116.31.68
> 
>   We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of
>   the old addresses. Thank you.
> 
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>   [] [V]ote-auction                                   []
>   []                                                  []
>   [] pr@[62.116.31.68]                                []
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  PR MAILING FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

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  [V]ote-auction announces END-RESULTS of GRAND AUCTION

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  Vienna/Berlin, November 7th, 2000, 5am CET


  Below is the latest press release by [V]ote-auction:

  http://62.116.31.68
  http://www.voteauction.de / realname: voteauction
  [formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com].


  You can also find this press release at
  http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm

  For any further information feel free to contact
  pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our
  ubermorgen.com hotlines:

  berlin +49-175-2066954
  vienna +43 676 9300061

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  It's different because it's fundamentally different:

  [V]ote-auction                   http://62.116.31.68
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  [V] Intro

  [V]ote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to
  annnounce the end-results of the grand - or, perhaps more
  accurately, notorious - [V]ote-auction GAME.

  Many participants acted as if they had actually considered it a
  real business; in fact, it was indeed a real-life game for voters
  who finally had found a way to think about what their vote is
  worth on the free market; and to themselves.

  For us, the operators, it turned out to be less of a action-
  service and more of a legal rollercoaster.


  [V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Business?

  Lots has been said about how to distinguish between a real business
  and a cartoon in a sunday newspaper:
  http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram

  Most of these nice sayings are true for the offline world - but on
  the net, things are different.

  Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial playground
  a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between
  any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site
  was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have
  learned. Try any web-site and try to check out if they are for "real",
  here a small test-environment:

  http://yesrudy.com
  http://gatt.org
  http://rtmark.com/gwbush/
  http://www.fpo.at
  http://www.microsoft.com

  There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why
  it is called an interlinked system and not a book.

  You'd better learn the differenciate now! If not, you might
  fall for a real prank one day!


  [V] Who is suing whom?

  legal platform coming soon: http://www.ipnic.org
  < the nic is the content is the user is the net >

  Here an excerpt of the current situation:

  . Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers
    reason: "selling votes"
    status: injunction order

  . Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers
    reason: "false promises to consumers"
    status: injunction order

  . Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our providers
    reason: "selling and buying of votes"
    status: injunction order

  . Various "investigations" by Attorney Generals
    reason: diverse
    status: unknown

  . [V]ote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland
    reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service
    status: preparation

  It seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre
  of action-art: DIGITAL LEGAL ART. appearantly it is even not so
  much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal
  most, but the people in U.S. legal offices... very sexy!

  Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped, as
  it will be obvious, even to the legal folk, that there are
  people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is
  not us. We just gave you the showcase. The real dealers do
  their businesses quite openly in Washington. Vive la difference!


  [V] Campaigning for our rights

  We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support
  we need and enjoy. To those who despise us: Thank you also!

  We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active
  support and intelligent modes of communication.

  To those who think that we have now given up: Come on! We
  have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is,
  at the time, NOT a free place. It is directly and indirectly
  controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is
  basically owned by the U.S. Ministry of Commerce [well, then
  maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the
  Ministry of Commerce].

  If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike
  time - they just do it! Cynical? No. Realistic. Or should ICANN
  bring Capitalism and DemoCRAZY closer together? Or maybe even
  CORE?

  So... if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere!


  [V] What is new on the Site

  We have opened our site and data to the public, so everyone
  can see for him or herself what is happening. Feel free to
  access the user database - and do not be surprised to find
  no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not
  necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice...

  What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody
  who dared to play [V]ote-auction. If you ask yourself if the
  numbers are real - that is an intelligent question - but has
  never been answered on the net. Neither can we answer it.

  You will have to be quick to access the site - we will put
  it into real legal context by November 8th.

  When the game is over, the players have to go home!



  [V] Statistics [Nov. 7th 2000, 3am CET]

  [] polls

  International poll:      National poll:
  63.3% gore               45.0% gore
  14.3% bush               44.1% bush
  22.4% nader              10.9% nader

  Vote-auction legal or illegal:
  75.3% legal
  09.4% illegal
  15.3% dont know

  Would you rather go voting if you got paied for it:
  70.0% yes
  30.0% no


  [] Global media quick-stats

  Topic:                              numbers         %
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
  Mailingslists/newsgroups:     13,765 articles     75%
  Online-magazines:                898 articles     19%
  Print-magazines:                 258 articles     03%
  Print-newspapers:                812 articles     24%
  TV-segments:                     147 reports      03%
  Radio-segments:                  231 reports      05%
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  Press-archive under: http://62.116.31.68/news.htm


  [] Supporter quick-stats

  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
  Emails received in the last 9 days    2451
  Support sites                          213
  Attorneys offering their services       11
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  [] Legal quick-stats

  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --
  Civil-lawsuits filed against [V]ote-auction
  and related individuals and companies            18
  General Attorney investigations running          15
  Lawsuits by vote-auction against corenic.org     01
  Legal documents received by postal services
  or via Fax [approx. 250 pounds]                 112 kg
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --


  [V] Credits

  James Baumgartner
  ubermorgen.com
  RTMark.com
  SILVER SERVER / sil.at
  enemy.org
  joker.com
  hell.com
  thinkfactory.de
  pixelmassaker.com
  cnn.com
  etoyACTION.com
  ACLU.org

  For a list of support web-sites
  http://62.116.31.68/news.htm#support


  [V] Final note

  We wish all 3 candidates the best of luck for Election Day,
  and may the guy with the best looks - oops, sorry, the
  best ideas and intentions - win.

  Goodbye to you, you have been a great audience!

  For the Vote-auction team

  lizvlx               hans_extrem
  the-woman-behind     the-guy-who-gets-sued

  [V]ote-auction
  "To be or not to be! Just do it!"



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