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From PR@mail.ubermorgen.com Tue Nov 07 04:07:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 87271 invoked by alias); 7 Nov 2000 04:07:33 -0000 Delivered-To: PR@mail.ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 87267 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2000 04:07:32 -0000 Received: from 212186130182.15.vie.surfer.at (HELO ubermorgen04.ubermorgen.com) (root@212.186.130.182) by mail.ubermorgen.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2000 04:07:32 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ubermorgen12.ubermorgen.com [192.168.0.12]) by ubermorgen04.ubermorgen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12007; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:07:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from PR@[62.116.31.68]) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:00:19 +0100 To: PR@[62.116.31.68] From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: [V]ote-auction announces END-RESULTS :: PRESS-RELEASE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 165 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- [V]ote-auction announces END-RESULTS of GRAND AUCTION -------------------------------------------------------- Vienna/Berlin, November 7th, 2000, 5am CET Below is the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: http://62.116.31.68 http://www.voteauction.de / realname: voteauction [formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. You can also find this press release at http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines: berlin +49-175-2066954 vienna +43 676 9300061 ------------------------------------------------------- It's different because it's fundamentally different: [V]ote-auction http://62.116.31.68 ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Intro [V]ote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to annnounce the end-results of the grand - or, perhaps more accurately, notorious - [V]ote-auction GAME. Many participants acted as if they had actually considered it a real business; in fact, it was indeed a real-life game for voters who finally had found a way to think about what their vote is worth on the free market; and to themselves. For us, the operators, it turned out to be less of a action- service and more of a legal rollercoaster. [V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Business? Lots has been said about how to distinguish between a real business and a cartoon in a sunday newspaper: http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram Most of these nice sayings are true for the offline world - but on the net, things are different. Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial playground a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have learned. Try any web-site and try to check out if they are for "real", here a small test-environment: http://yesrudy.com http://gatt.org http://rtmark.com/gwbush/ http://www.fpo.at http://www.microsoft.com There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why it is called an interlinked system and not a book. You'd better learn the differenciate now! If not, you might fall for a real prank one day! [V] Who is suing whom? legal platform coming soon: http://www.ipnic.org < the nic is the content is the user is the net > Here an excerpt of the current situation: . Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers reason: "selling votes" status: injunction order . Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers reason: "false promises to consumers" status: injunction order . Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our providers reason: "selling and buying of votes" status: injunction order . Various "investigations" by Attorney Generals reason: diverse status: unknown . [V]ote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service status: preparation It seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre of action-art: DIGITAL LEGAL ART. appearantly it is even not so much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal most, but the people in U.S. legal offices... very sexy! Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped, as it will be obvious, even to the legal folk, that there are people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is not us. We just gave you the showcase. The real dealers do their businesses quite openly in Washington. Vive la difference! [V] Campaigning for our rights We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support we need and enjoy. To those who despise us: Thank you also! We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active support and intelligent modes of communication. To those who think that we have now given up: Come on! We have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is, at the time, NOT a free place. It is directly and indirectly controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is basically owned by the U.S. Ministry of Commerce [well, then maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the Ministry of Commerce]. If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike time - they just do it! Cynical? No. Realistic. Or should ICANN bring Capitalism and DemoCRAZY closer together? Or maybe even CORE? So... if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! [V] What is new on the Site We have opened our site and data to the public, so everyone can see for him or herself what is happening. Feel free to access the user database - and do not be surprised to find no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice... What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody who dared to play [V]ote-auction. If you ask yourself if the numbers are real - that is an intelligent question - but has never been answered on the net. Neither can we answer it. You will have to be quick to access the site - we will put it into real legal context by November 8th. When the game is over, the players have to go home! [V] Statistics [Nov. 7th 2000, 3am CET] [] polls International poll: National poll: 63.3% gore 45.0% gore 14.3% bush 44.1% bush 22.4% nader 10.9% nader Vote-auction legal or illegal: 75.3% legal 09.4% illegal 15.3% dont know Would you rather go voting if you got paied for it: 70.0% yes 30.0% no [] Global media quick-stats Topic: numbers % - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Mailingslists/newsgroups: 13,765 articles 75% Online-magazines: 898 articles 19% Print-magazines: 258 articles 03% Print-newspapers: 812 articles 24% TV-segments: 147 reports 03% Radio-segments: 231 reports 05% - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Press-archive under: http://62.116.31.68/news.htm [] Supporter quick-stats - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Emails received in the last 9 days 2451 Support sites 213 Attorneys offering their services 11 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- [] Legal quick-stats - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Civil-lawsuits filed against [V]ote-auction and related individuals and companies 18 General Attorney investigations running 15 Lawsuits by vote-auction against corenic.org 01 Legal documents received by postal services or via Fax [approx. 250 pounds] 112 kg - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- [V] Credits James Baumgartner ubermorgen.com RTMark.com SILVER SERVER / sil.at enemy.org joker.com hell.com thinkfactory.de pixelmassaker.com cnn.com etoyACTION.com ACLU.org For a list of support web-sites http://62.116.31.68/news.htm#support [V] Final note We wish all 3 candidates the best of luck for Election Day, and may the guy with the best looks - oops, sorry, the best ideas and intentions - win. Goodbye to you, you have been a great audience! For the Vote-auction team lizvlx hans_extrem the-woman-behind the-guy-who-gets-sued [V]ote-auction =93To be or not to be! Just do it!" PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@[62.116.31.68] http://62.116.31.68 We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of the old addresses. Thank you. 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:18 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailliz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 57461 invoked by uid 4004); 4 Nov 2000 06:06:58 -0000 Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 57457 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2000 06:06:55 -0000 Received: from 212186130182.15.vie.surfer.at (HELO ?192.168.0.12?) (@212.186.130.182) by mail.ubermorgen.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2000 06:06:55 -0000 X-Sender: mailhans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010301450.JAA20439@mail1.javanet.com> References: <200010301450.JAA20439@mail1.javanet.com> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:07:39 +0100 To: Mark Anderson From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: "Selling Votes or Peddling Lies?" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 167 hi mark some good stuff regarding vote-auction.com greetz hans -> here some received email from corenic.org--> we have set them an ultimatum for this monday 12:00h CET to turn dns on again on vote-auction.com or we will file a lawsuit. the courtorder was received by corenic.org via EMAIL!!! the jurisdiction of this court-order is within the U.S., therefore it would need a german court order in order to have CSL shut down the DNS. CSL in germany is the registrer and we have a contract with them! now the were contacted by authorities and said they will only shut down something with a german court order. so the authorities just went to corenic.org, based in geneva/switzerland, a a dubious organization between internic and the actuall registerers of domain-names. and then they just TURNED OUR DOMAIN OFF and told us that they were afraid, because they have people working for them also in the U.S. and they were worried about their safety!!! and they told us that we are doing criminal things. a nice story! ---> to be continued.. heheheh.. --- Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:58:14 +0100 From: "CORE Secretariat (W)" X-Accept-Language: en,ja To: hans@ubermorgen.com, admin@joker.com CC: secretariat@corenic.org Subject: Domain vote-auction.com on registrar hold Mr. Luzius A. Bernhard hans@ubermorgen.com Kurrentgasse 10-22 Vienna, Austria 1010 AT Dear Mr. Bernhard, CORE has been informed that the domain vote-auction.com is being used in conjunction with illegal activity. After consultation with its lawyers, CORE has determined that the urgency and gravity of this case is such that CORE needs to exercise its right to suspend the domain name vote-auction.com based on Article 4 of the CORE registration agreement. This transaction has been executed. The name continues to be reserved in your name, but it is no longer active. Please note that this decision has been taken and executed by CORE Internet Council of Registrars under its authority as ICANN-accredited registrar in charge of the domain. All communications in this respect should be directed to CORE. Yours truly, Werner Staub -- CORE Internet Council of Registrars http://corenic.org WTC II, 29 route de Pre-Bois, CH-1227 Geneva, Switzerland Tel +4122 929-5744 Fax +4122 929-5745 secretariat@corenic.org >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,39770,00.html > >Selling Votes or Peddling Lies? >by Mark K. Anderson > >2:00 a.m. Oct. 30, 2000 PST > >As election authorities in Chicago prepare for Monday's court hearing in >a lawsuit against the Austrian scofflaw website Vote-auction.com, a >crucial question of veracity has emerged. > >Is Vote-auction -- which changed its name from Voteauction.com this week >after the original domain name had been shut down by court order -- >actually facilitating the sale of tens of thousands of American >presidential votes? Or is it all satire, with no such activity ever >having taken place? > >Whether that question will be answered in court has yet to be seen. >What's clear is that even the defendants in the case disagree. > >Current site owner Hans Bernhard says, absolutely, such commerce is under >way. The creator and former adviser, James Baumgartner maintains that his >brainchild is only a work of satire and does not engage in illegal >vote-trading activities. > >"The question of if it's a hoax, I can answer with a clear no," Bernhard >said in a phone interview Thursday. "It's very obvious, because we're not >running projects like that to make hoaxes. We're running businesses." > >Dan Stewart, a lawyer in Albany, New York representing Baumgartner, says >it's not so. > >"The whole point of this was not to have people sell their votes," said >Stewart, who said Bernhard sold Voteauction.com in mid-August for 1 euro >(less than $1). "The point was to have people draw their attention to the >issue of money and politics... . James Baumgartner would not have >consented to selling the site if he did not think Mr. Bernhard held the >same position." > >Clearly, Baumgartner has reason to deny he's involved in selling votes. >As a defendant in the suit, he could be slapped with damages. > >But at least one interested observer believes Bernhard is telling the >truth. > >"I've always been skeptical of the satire argument," said Deborah >Phillips, chair of the Voting Integrity Project, which has followed the >Voteauction story since its early days in August, when it was run as an >MFA thesis project in New York state. > >"Satire doesn't usually involve the exchange of money, nor does it >usually cross international boundaries or involve international security >threats," she said. > >"If it's true it's just been a hoax, then the only way they can prove >that is to open their site to FBI technologists," Phillips said. >"Otherwise, we have no way of verifying." > >But Stewart said, "That's exactly what we did. The FBI conducted an >investigation.... I'm not in a position right now to comment on the >outcome of the investigation, but we have provided them everything they >requested." > >Pressed for verification of the quarter-million-dollar bid tallies now >being posted at the site -- which Baumgartner deflated last week by >alleging that Voteauction never actually received any offers to buy >votes, even when it was posting bid totals of over $100,000 -- Bernhard >laughs. > >"We have absolutely no possibility to disclose any information," he said. >"This would be like handing it over to the feds. And the bidders >especially are very, very concerned about the security. That's the reason >they don't just come in via e-mail, but also via fax and telephone. They >exactly know that this is not public information." > >Bernhard's credibility as a straight-shooting businessman is certainly >undercut by Baumgartner's revelation that his sale of Voteauction.com in >August was brokered by the corporate satire collective RTMark. > >As RTMark's Ray Thomas said in an e-mail earlier this week, "In >everything that RTMark has done in regards to Voteauction.com, from >project listing to investment procuring to sale facilitating, we have >always assumed that the intention of the site was to highlight the way >corporations currently choose candidates and procure votes in essentially >the same way that a vote-auctioning website would. > > > >"We have never actually wished to see vote-selling become legal -- we >only hoped that through such a shocking example as this, people would >become alert to the similarities of current reality to this hypothetical >nightmare and, ultimately, that the soft-money system would become >illegal just as vote-auctioning is." > >Still, regardless of what side eventually prevails in the lawsuit, the >Chicago Board of Election Commissioners is not laughing. > >Its suit -- which names both Bernhard and Baumgartner -- succeeded in >obtaining a preliminary injunction on Oct. 18 which resulted in >Voteauction's original domain-name registrar, Domain Bank, removing >Voteauction.com from its rolls. > >But now that Vote-auction.com, logged via a different name bank, has >surfaced, Tom Leach of the Chicago Board says they'll be pressing for a >contempt of court citation on Monday. > >"They're in violation of this court order, and we're going to present >that to the court and ask for a contempt citation," Leach said. "This is >just part of a suit that's going to play out long after the election's >over with." > >On Thursday, an official from the office of Illinois State Attorney >General Jim Ryan said that the Illinois Board of Elections has requested >that the state intervene in the Vote-auction lawsuit. > >Leach noted that this office has appraised the Austrian Ministry of >Justice of its lawsuit via the Austrian ambassador in Washington -- >although, when contacted, the consul general from the embassy said he was >not able to confirm or deny this claim. > >Leach also added that he's heard from officials in Connecticut, >California, Colorado, Indiana, Michigan and Texas, all of whom are >considering taking their own legal actions against the site. > >"Here in California, we are engaged in criminal investigations of >(Vote-auction)," William Wood, chief counsel for the California Secretary >of State said in a CNN interview on Tuesday. "We will continue those >investigations through the election." > >Bernhard said that the CNN piece -- as part of the network's half-hour >legal show Burden of Proof devoted to Vote-auction.com -- substantially >increased Vote-auction's traffic and, he claims, also brought in new >bids. > >"In the aftermath of the CNN feature, we received 35 bidding offers >within some hours," he said. "It's really getting hot. The numbers are >just crackling. It's amazing. The bids are massive. It's unbelievable." > >But Stewart said that barring proof that Vote-auction actually >facilitates vote fraud -- rather than just cleverly drawing media >attention to "soft-money" elections -- he's pursuing the case as a >straightforward issue of free speech. > >"There clearly are exceptions to free speech, but one of the things we >cherish most dearly is the ability to speak on issues of politics," >Stewart said. "Now insofar as this was a site to actually purchase a >vote, authorities are right to want to get to the bottom of this. 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:19 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailliz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 53659 invoked by uid 4004); 3 Nov 2000 22:47:49 -0000 Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 53655 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2000 22:47:47 -0000 Received: from 212186130182.15.vie.surfer.at (HELO ?192.168.0.12?) (@212.186.130.182) by mail.ubermorgen.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2000 22:47:47 -0000 X-Sender: mailhans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <134733100.973262605081.JavaMail.nobody@emailserver.email-response-servic e .com> References: <134733100.973262605081.JavaMail.nobody@emailserver.email-response-servic e .com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:48:04 +0100 To: TV-Total Team From: net_CALLBOY Subject: RE:urgent: tvtotal: TV/TALK-GAST ANGEBOT vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 168 >Hallo ! > >Danke für deinen Vorschlag! >Noch steht nicht fest, ob wir euch für die Show nominieren werden. >Vielleicht hast du Glück und es meldet sich jemand bei Dir. ;o) > hey, ist das ein scherz oder was? das ist ein ernsthaftes content-angebot, und zwar top-urgent, die story ist tot nach dem 7.11.. aber egal.. mehr als anbieten kann ich es nicht. hans bernhard +43 676 930 00 61 > >Wir wünschen dir weiterhin sehr viel Spaß mit TV TOTAL! >cu, > >dein tv total Team > > >**************************************************************************** >Jetzt bei www.tvtotal.de : >5 nigelnagelneue Puller-Alarm-Spiele zu gewinnen! >Dazu gibt es 5 Poster, alle unterschrieben von eurem weltbesten Moderator! > > > >> ----- Original E-Mail ----- >> Von:net_CALLBOY >> An:info@tvtotal.de >> Empfangen:31.10.2000 14:40 >> Betreff:urgent: tvtotal: TV/TALK-GAST ANGEBOT vote-auction.com >> >> >> hi there! >> >> es gibt eine ganz heisse top-story zur zeit., wir >> bieten uns als TALK-GASTE/ RAAB-DER-WOCHE mit CNN >> feature an... story wird top-heiss bleiben bis 7.11 >> [us-wahlkampf ende] >> >> betrifft 2 oesterreicher die im amerik. wahlkampf >> mit einer internet-platform namens: >> http://www.vote-auction.com wahlstimmen im US- >> wahlkampf transferieren. >> >> CNN, N-TV beitraege vorhanden... >> CNN beitrag waere perfekt fuer raab-der-woche.. >> [CNN telephone-interview, N-TV bericht mit face..] >> http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram >> >> 150 weitere TV/Radio/Magazine/etc.. haben weltweit >> darueber berichtet.. hier die gesamte liste: >> http://www.vote-auction.com/news.htm >> >> falls interesse dafuer besteht, als raab-der-woche >> gaeste, es ist total zielgruppen gerecht und eine >> hoechst umstrittene action mit hohem media-potential.. >> >> meldet euch wenn ihr interesse habt.. harald >> schmidt hat mal angeklopft, aber stefan raab >> waer uns lieber.. >> >> best regards >> >> hans bernhard lizvlx >> hans@ubermorgen.com liz@ubermorgen.com >> +43 676 930 00 61 +49 175 20 66 954 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . >> . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . >> . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . >> >> . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:20 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailliz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 53527 invoked by uid 4004); 3 Nov 2000 22:31:20 -0000 Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 53522 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2000 22:31:08 -0000 Received: from 212186130182.15.vie.surfer.at (HELO ?192.168.0.12?) (@212.186.130.182) by mail.ubermorgen.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2000 22:31:08 -0000 X-Sender: mailhans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:31:36 +0100 To: "Emanuel Rudas" From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: www.derstandard.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 169 >Guten Tag Herr Bernhard ! hi there >Mein Name ist Emanuel Rudas, ich schreibe für die Rubrik >"WebStandard" von derstandard.at. Ich wäre ihnen sehr dankbar, wenn >sie wenige Minuten opfern könnten um mir folgende Fragen bezüglich >"Voteauctions.com" zu beantworten. selbstverstaendlich gerne. eine frage haette ich aber, wieso verwenden sie eine hotmail-adresse? oder bist du eher so ein ..at staats-polizei mensch? aber im prinzip egal.. hehehe.. helmut_zilk@hotmail.com, die ist gut! hier meine antworten.. fuer mehr details bitte ich um anruf. >Was waren ihr Ziele beim Kauf der Domain ? War es, so wie viele >Medien kolportierten, nur reine Satire, oder, wie sie selbst sagten, >ein zukunftsträchtiges Geschäft, hinter dem einige Investoren >stünden ? Wenn ja, welche ? beides, als langjaehrige i-spezialisten [u.a. etoy.com founder und major shareholder] wir flexibel genug um das eine oder das andere zu machen, oder beides zu vermischen, oder auch das eine nach dem anderen oder umgekehrt, klingt jetzt wie ein joke, meine ich aber ernst. die dynamik des netztes laesst zu, dass wir ein kunst-projekt voteauction.com kaufen, es in ein business-modell ueberfuehren wollen, damit ver- bunden, forschung in den bereichen wirtschaft und und internationale gesetzgebungen durchfuehren, es dann wieder zu einem kunst-projekt machen, und dann das ganze entweder verkaufen oder wieder zu einem richtigen busines um-modellieren.. wir sind da flexibel, z.zt. gibt es anfragen aus japan und russland, ueber einen moeglichen verkauf wird z.zt. vorverhandelt. wir behalten uns aber vor das ganze selbst weiter zu betreiben, ob als kunst oder als business kann ich erst nach dem 7. november sagen. >Wie schaut die Zukunft des Unternehmens aus ? Werden sie die neuen >Domainnamen nutzen ? Da Voteauctions.com derzeit ja nur unter der >IP-Adresse erreichbar ist - sehen sie noch Möglichkeiten, die Wahlen >in den USA zu nützen ? natuerlich. wir sind unter diversen adressen und realnames auffindbar: voteauction.at, voteauction.cu [cuba] voteauction.ru, voteauction.enemy.org, alle diese domains werden z.zt. aufgeschalten, der realname votauction bringt uns prominent in alle search- engines und die presse hat mittlerweile in ueber 200 artikeln unsere ip adresse und offizielle adresse: http://62.116.31.68 kommuniziert. das heisst es wird fuer keinen internet-user irgend- ein problem darstellen diese platform zu finden und zutzen! >Sind weitere Aktionen von Voteauctions geplant (in anderen Ländern, usw)? >Börsengänge? s.o. >Wie stehen sie zur Rechtslage? Welche Schritte werden sie planen, da >die USA durch die Abschaltung ihrer Seite allen weltweit Usern >verbietet, ihre Seite zu sehen? wir sind ja da! kein problem.. wir haben aber corenic.org, dem meta-registrar neben internic.net, ein klage angedroht, falls sie die domain vote-auction.com nicht bis montag 6.11.2000, 12h wieder aktivieren. corenic.org ist eine dubiose organisation in genf, die fuer die registrierung von domains zustaendig ist. corenic.org hat aufgrund einer email!!! eines amerikanischen lokalen gerichtes [die us- version von wels in oesterreich] unsere domain abgedreht. das problem ist, dass wir einen vertrag mit der firma CLS in duesseldorf hat, diese firma betreibt joker.com, und darueber haben wir vote-auction.com in deutschland registriert. wir werden sofort klage einreichen und schadensersatz- forderungen stellen, sofern corenic.org die domain nicht wieder freigibt. falls sie detailliertere infos dazu wuenschen schicke ich ihnen gerne emails von corenic.org oder gerichtsunterlagen aus den USA. >Glauben sie an die Möglichkeit eines legalen Investors, wie zB im >Fall Napster? selbstverstaendlich. selbst wenn wir stimmen verkaufen oder kaufen wuerden, was wir aber nicht tun!, waere das z.b. in deutschland oder oesterreich nicht unter strafe, per gesetz. anders in den USA. aber was soll uns kuemmern, wie das in den USA geregelt ist. wir sehen uns nicht mal auf der vergehensebene in irgendwelcher form rechtlich belangbar. >Natürlich sind sie eingeladen, eigene Kommentare abseits der Fragen >abzugeben. Ihre Antworten werden selbsverständlich unverändert >widergegeben und nicht aus dem Kontext gerissen. bitte schauen sie sich die web-site http://62.116.31.68/ gut an, bitte publizieren sie diese adressen im artikel: http://62.116.31.68/ und http://voteauction.enemy.org als links. >Da wir den Hergang des Falles nur aus Meldungen anderer Medien >kennen, wäre es von ihrer Seite auch sehr entgegenkommend, wenn sie >diese aus ihrer Sicht erzählen würden. fuer details, stories, etc.. rufen sie mich bitte an, ist einfacher und dynamischer. +43 676 930 00 61 hans bernhard http://www.ubermorgen.com >Ich danke ihnen für die Kooperation >und verbleibe mit Grüßen >Emanuel Rudas >Webstandard >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:21 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 5827 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2000 12:39:12 -0000 Received: from www.micromusic.net (root@62.116.31.69) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 30 Oct 2000 12:39:12 -0000 Received: from [212.84.244.179] ([212.84.244.179]) by www.micromusic.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10155; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:43:13 +0100 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39FD5299.AE0E954A@news.at> References: <39FD5299.AE0E954A@news.at> X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:39:04 +0100 To: weber.thomas@news.at From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: vote Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 170 >hey hans, hi thomas.. attached der letzte press.release, heute abend respektive morgen kommt ein weiterer.. wir sind gerade am software und content-update. heute findet ein hearing statt in chicago illinois, cook county, judge murphy, circuit court-209, wir werden nicht vertreten sein, da dies eine reine anhoerung ist und wir auf dem standpunkt stehen, dass wir weder illegale noch sonstwie zweifelhafte aktivitaeten ueber unsere platform vote-auction.com betreiben. for more details.. call me +49 175 20 66 954 greetz from berlin hans FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:23 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 4684 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 16:18:46 -0000 Received: from www.micromusic.net (root@62.116.31.69) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 16:18:46 -0000 Received: from [212.84.244.179] ([212.84.244.179]) by www.micromusic.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25919; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:22:50 +0200 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:18:29 +0200 To: Andreas Broeckmann From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: vote-auction.com Cc: liz@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 171 hi a anscheinend ist meine email [s. attachement] bei dir untergegangen. bitte dich darum die u.a. mail an syndicate zu posten. falls du ein noch interessante kontakte zu theoretikern oder anderen high-profile leuten die dazu comments abgeben koennten, haettest, waere ich dir sehr verbunden wenn du ihnen diese email auch weiterleiten koenntest, damit wir diese leute dazu stimulieren koennen sich zu vote-auction.com zu aeussern. best regards hans ---- subject: for y/eyes! press:: vote-auction.com ---- dearZ http://www.vote-auction.com CNN dedicated a show for vote-auction, live on the wire, vote-auction.com etoy.HANS over the mobile wire:: enjoy! http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram [a CNN special national/internat. report coming soon!] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + CHECK OUT the press.section: http://www.vote-auction.com/news.htm CNN, wirednews, WIRED, USA Today, ABC, NBC, FOX, Slate, Washington Post, Industry Standard, AP, CNET, Telepolis, Spiegel Online, Slashdot, ... various serious legal cases/ prosecutions :: :: board of elections chicago :: california secretary of state :: board of election nebraska :: texas attorney general :: tech crime unit arizona, ...heavy duty stuff! see some docs under:: http://www.vote-auction.com/legal/index.htm the domain voteauction.com has been deactivated on orders of some local judge in chicago/illinois; sooo much fun and pressure there! read more in our attached press.release or under:: http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm our holding-company is specialized on high-risk ventures! ::.. we invest into / they invest into ..:: ubermorgen.com, etoy.com, SILVER SERVER, rtmark.com, skim.com, uptoart.com, etxtreme.org, voortekk.com, rosa.com, dplanet.org, msn.de, micromusic.net, and many more.. for ubermorgen.com and the etoy.HOLDING:: :: lizvlx [CEO ubermorgen.com] :: etoy.HANS /net_CALLBOY [CEO vote-auction.com] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "if you don't get help from us, please get help somewhere!" http://www.ubermorgen.com :: shock marketing :: software dev. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:27 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 2771 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 14:18:29 -0000 Received: from www.micromusic.net (root@62.116.31.69) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 14:18:29 -0000 Received: from [212.84.244.179] ([212.84.244.179]) by www.micromusic.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16712; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:22:34 +0200 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:18:10 +0200 To: ubermorgen@egroups.com From: net_CALLBOY Subject: for y/eyes! press:: vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 172 dearZ http://www.vote-auction.com CNN dedicated a show for vote-auction, live on the wire, vote-auction.com etoy.HANS over the mobile wire:: enjoy! http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram [a CNN special national/internat. report coming soon!] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . + CHECK OUT the press.section: http://www.vote-auction.com/news.htm CNN, wirednews, WIRED, USA Today, ABC, NBC, FOX, Slate, Washington Post, Industry Standard, AP, CNET, Telepolis, Spiegel Online, Slashdot, ... various serious legal cases/ prosecutions :: :: board of elections chicago :: california secretary of state :: board of election nebraska :: texas attorney general :: tech crime unit arizona, ...heavy duty stuff! see some docs under:: http://www.vote-auction.com/legal/index.htm the domain voteauction.com has been deactivated on orders of some local judge in chicago/illinois; sooo much fun and pressure there! read more in our attached press.release or under:: http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm our holding-company is specialized on high-risk ventures! ::.. we invest into / they invest into ..:: ubermorgen.com, etoy.com, SILVER SERVER, rtmark.com, skim.com, uptoart.com, etxtreme.org, voortekk.com, rosa.com, dplanet.org, msn.de, micromusic.net, and many more.. for ubermorgen.com and the etoy.HOLDING:: :: lizvlx [CEO ubermorgen.com] :: etoy.HANS /net_CALLBOY [CEO vote-auction.com] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "if you don't get help from us, please get help somewhere!" http://www.ubermorgen.com :: shock marketing :: software dev. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:27 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F72053.E5581B76@team-adsi.com> References: <39F72053.E5581B76@team-adsi.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:39:13 +0200 To: KD White From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Piss off! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 173 dear kd, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >You guys are less than scum. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:28 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006b01c03eb1$a26deb20$0e02a8c0@BSSGBRIAN> References: <006b01c03eb1$a26deb20$0e02a8c0@BSSGBRIAN> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:38:40 +0200 To: From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: good for you! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 174 always ready to say thank you for support. best lizvlx >Hang in there!ÊÊÊ While I donÕt plan to buy or sell any votes, I >support your right to have your site. > >It is especially ironic that your current big hassles are coming >from Chicago, notorious as the most crooked place for elections in >the entire US. > >I donÕt see how they can shut you down when you are outside the US. > >I appreciate what you are doing out there, and perhaps it will help >draw attention to our crooked, sleazy, money-based election campaign >process and all the special interest favors it buys. > > > >============================= > >Brian Meyette > >Certified Oracle Applications DBA > >Business Software Support Group, LLC > >Cornish, NH > >brian@turbont.net > >(603) 543-7967 > >(617) 306-6245Ê cell > >(603) 507-0729Ê fax > >============================= > > From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:28 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001020212041.5001.qmail@viebrock.chek.com> References: <20001020212041.5001.qmail@viebrock.chek.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:59:02 +0200 To: "Joe User" From: lizvlx Subject: Re: key issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:29 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <69DE1817E456D411871E00E018C357AB046AB5@webmail35.themeganet.com> References: <69DE1817E456D411871E00E018C357AB046AB5@webmail35.themeganet.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:51:51 +0200 To: BFancher@kimt.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: media request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 178 hiback i am sure you understand that we cannot disclose any user data. i am sorry - i know i'd be cool to do an interview with one of the users. best lizvlx >hello: > >i understand who have had over 200 people sign up to sell their vote from >the state of Iowa. what are the chances >of finding out who these people are? please let me know as soon as >possible. > >my e-mail address is bfancher@kimt.com or you can call me at 641-421-2618. > >thanks. > > brian fancher > assignment editor > kimt-tv > mason city, iowa From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:29 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:41:20 +0200 To: "Johan Vandendriessche" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: legal issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 179 please find the exact letters and at this address: http://www.vote-auction.com/legal best lizvlx >Dear, > >I am a researcher at the Free University of Brussels, in the field of ICT >law (I concentrate on the legal issues concerning e-government). I am very >interested in this initiative and the legal issues surrounding it. Could you >tell me the exact references of the ruling of the Chicago court if these are >not classified. > >Sincerely, > >Johan Vandendriessche > >_______________________________________________ >Johan Vandendriessche >Vrije Universiteit Brussel >Faculteit der Rechtsgeleerdheid >Centrum voor de Interactie tussen Recht en Technologie (C.I.R.T.) >Pleinlaan 2 >1050 Brussel > >Tel.: ++32 2 629 2454 >Fax: ++ 32 2 629 2662 >Mobiel: 0486 366 234 >E-mail: johan.vandendriessche@vub.ac.be From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:29 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F6EBD7.929F5F4E@ap.org> References: <39F6EBD7.929F5F4E@ap.org> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:40:46 +0200 To: aacooper From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Mr Bernhard-- Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 180 dear audrey, thanks for your enquiry. here are our answers. best lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com >We are doing another story on the vote-auction.com Web site and I was >hoping you could answer a few questions for us. We spoke last week about a >pending investigation by the Secretary of State in California. > >1. Why did you change the name of the Web site? we registered the new domain because of marketing reasons. we had found out during usability tests that lots of users typed in vote-auction.com instead of voteauction.com. in order not to miss these users, we registered the new domain name. the new name came along with a redesign of the site, and we put that up online almost at the same time when the judge's order from chicago forced the voteauction.com domain offline. >2. Why is the message board offline? because we are doing a new message board, one of our own. we took the other one offline due to potential privacy concerns of our users. >3. Are you still claiming to "sell" votes? yes. we do not see any differnce in the phrase "buying a vote" and "donating funds". >4. How long can this name changing go on and are you still getting the same >number of hits you got before changing the domain name? yes, actually almost more because of the incredible press coverage that we are receiving. and also, the number of visits seem to increase the closer election day is coming. if you need anything else, do not hesitate to contact us anytime. ans also, do check out the new section on our site, where you can find the legal correspondence from chicago. http://www.vote-auction.com/legal best lizvlx > >I would appreciate anything you can tell us on this matter, in the interest >of fair and accurate reporting. > >Thank you again, >Audrey Cooper >The Associated Press >aacooper@ap.org >916-448-9555 From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:30 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 22335 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2000 16:20:55 -0000 Received: from www.micromusic.net (root@62.116.31.69) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 25 Oct 2000 16:20:55 -0000 Received: from [212.84.244.179] ([212.84.244.179]) by www.micromusic.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA32254; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:24:59 +0200 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5D9A184FEEEDD211A4050000F81FD0E8021CFA81@cnncmx04.turner.com> References: <5D9A184FEEEDD211A4050000F81FD0E8021CFA81@cnncmx04.turner.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:20:41 +0200 To: "Tom, Allison" From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Vote Auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 181 >Hi Hans, hi allison please contact me under +49 175 20 66 954 at any time. i will be available for the next 4-5 hours, ready to to answer your Qs. best regards hans bernhard ubermorgen.com vote-auction.com >My name is Allison Tom, Interactive Correspondent with CNN. >I'd like to speak to you regarding vote-auction.com. >Please let me know when and how I can reach you. > >Sincerely, > >Allison Tom >Interactive Correspondent, CNN >404-827-7059 Direct >800-715-0643 Pager From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:30 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:08:47 +0200 To: "Rosemarie Faex" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: How do you guarantee that people vote for what I bid for? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 182 dear rosemarie, sorry that we missed yoru previous email. it was not intentional. basically, this is soft-money business. if you decide to bid for a voting block, we will then set you up with the individual voters, and you can then decide yourself upon how to enforce the "right" voting of the voters. best lizvlx >Not long ago, I sent this same question to your information >email address, and have not received an answer. > >I am interested in making a contribution to influence votes >in favor of a candidate whose campaign I manage, but we are >concerned that there is no way we can be guaranteed that >our contributions will have any effect whatsoever. Frankly, >I don't believe that you can enforce, legally or practically, >any commitment on whom a voter casts his/her vote for. Nor >can you even find out. > >Please help me understand how my contribution will >accomplish its purpose. > >Thanks in advance, > >Rosemarie Faex >Campaign Director >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:30 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c03e99$28498880$6601a8c0@officedesk> References: <000801c03e99$28498880$6601a8c0@officedesk> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:05:57 +0200 To: "Garth Aamodt" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Yeah,...right Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 183 dear garth, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >I hope your kidding. >If not your concept is one of the most insipid, idiotic and >ultimately hurtful ideas to come down the line since Adolph Hitler >replaced democracy in Germany with totalitarianism. Fortunately, it >would never work anyway, since no assurance of delivering a voting >block could ever be confirmed. People willing to "sell" their vote >would inherently be untrustworthy and likely not to vote at all, or >without committment to their "assigned" candidate. Get a real job. > >Garth Aamodt From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:32 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004201c03e95$634b43a0$3d9184c3@cybercable.fr> References: <004201c03e95$634b43a0$3d9184c3@cybercable.fr> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:04:29 +0200 To: g.bonjean@cybercable.fr From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Some questions about your initiative Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 184 dear guillaume, voila, our answers. if you need anything else, do not hesitate to contact us. best lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com >- Could you precise the history of the initiative (i.e date of the >purchase from James Baumgartner, date of the closure of the first >site, etc.) ? we purchased the project about 2 months ago. the voteauction.com domain was closed last friday. that was the same day when vote-auction.com went live. > >- Vote-auction is obviously more a question of activism than pure >businessÊ(you don't earn money from this !) :Êwhat is the goal of >the operation ?Ê it would be a mistake to think that every business makes money from day one. this is rarely ever the case actually. what we are doing at the moment is investing into an idea, which is - in our opinion - very prone to generate cash-flow soon. whether we will be realizing our capital returns by means of database marketing, banner advertizing or by cutting percentages - this we do not know yet. we will decide on a business plan after the finishing of the us-elections, ehich we regard as our test market. the goal of the operation is to render a service to end users in the election markets, i.e. the voters. we truly believe that one can only realize a fine running business if delivering services which the consumer really needs. >- What is your situation now : Where are the servers ? Can the >american law hurt you in any way ? our dns-registry is located in germany. our servers are located in austria and bulgaria. this makes it harder for us-judges to "hurt" our servers. we are pretty sure that we will be up at least until nov 7th - i.e. election day. >- What were the reactions on your initiative (e-mail, felicitations, >hacking, threaths, etc.) so farÊ? yes, we have encountered some hack attacks during the last 2 months. and we do of course lots of email threats. but also lots of very nice emails, too. >- You say you are planning to extend "business" on E.U elections and >others outside America.ÊCan you tell me more ? no, as we are just in the midst of developing our exact business plan and just do not know yet, which market we will exploit next. >- Finally, can you tell us more about Ubermorgen.com ? Wieving from >you web site, it's pretty unclear what your activity really is... ubermorgen.com is an agency specializing in consulting for internet companies. we also do internet marketing using our special techniques like drama and shock marketing. we also develop other in-house projects besides vote-auction.com - like etxtreme.ru and etoyACTION.com. best lizvlx From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:33 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: voteauction@www.etxtreme.ru Received: (qmail 21485 invoked by alias); 25 Oct 2000 15:38:19 -0000 Delivered-To: pr@vote-auction.com Received: (qmail 21482 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2000 15:38:19 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com (HELO mail.rdc2.mi.home.com) (24.2.68.68) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 25 Oct 2000 15:38:19 -0000 Received: from officedesk ([24.13.44.28]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001025153816.IXAG23870.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@officedesk> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:38:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c03e99$28498880$6601a8c0@officedesk> Reply-To: "Garth Aamodt" From: "Garth Aamodt" To: Subject: Yeah,...right Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:35:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 185 I hope your kidding. If not your concept is one of the most insipid, idiotic and ultimately hurtful ideas to come down the line since Adolph Hitler replaced democracy in Germany with totalitarianism. Fortunately, it would never work anyway, since no assurance of delivering a voting block could ever be confirmed. People willing to "sell" their vote would inherently be untrustworthy and likely not to vote at all, or without committment to their "assigned" candidate. Get a real job. Garth Aamodt From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:33 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:09:23 +0200 To: "A.Lizard" (by way of net_CALLBOY) From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: on voteauction.com being taken down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 186 dear a-l regarding your question, >What's to stop the same bunch that took your registration down last >time from doing the same with vote-auction.com? Remember that the >city of Chicago has from your viewpoint, essentially unlimited legal >resources and is likely to get cooperation from US authorities. the registry we registered the new domain with is located in germany and therefore it is not as easy to execute a chicago ruling with them, as it was with domainbank who are located in the us. >While it's possible that they might attempt to block access to a >foriegn domain, I don't even think the US government would be >willing to try something with a 100% guarantee of massive trouble. exactly. best lizvlx > >A.Lizard From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:33 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <151B32888934D411886400204840E1E1BAF82A@ODMSX04> References: <151B32888934D411886400204840E1E1BAF82A@ODMSX04> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:24:39 +0200 To: Vitali-Chkliar From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: I like your site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 187 we have he following setup: ... domain {vote-auction.com) registered with a registry located in germany ... server housing provided by an austrian company individuals located in .at and .de that is how. outside the us, it is not as easy to shut down a website. best lizvlx >I was running a completely legitimate site >and was shut down by different ISP 3 times >How you mange not to be shut down? From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:34 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:13:02 +0200 To: net_CALLBOY From: lizvlx Subject: fyi generell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 188 dear hanssss hab bernd ein wuerstchen geliefert, mit dem ich ihn bis morgen nm hinhalten kann. see attachment fyi. love, liz From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:34 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: voteauction@www.etxtreme.ru Received: (qmail 19661 invoked by alias); 25 Oct 2000 14:07:16 -0000 Delivered-To: pr@vote-auction.com Received: (qmail 19658 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2000 14:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uschmsx12.officedepot.com) (205.157.110.5) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 25 Oct 2000 14:07:16 -0000 Received: by USCHMSX12 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <151B32888934D411886400204840E1E1BAF82A@ODMSX04> From: Vitali-Chkliar To: "'pr@vote-auction.com'" Subject: I like your site Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:04:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 189 I was running a completely legitimate site and was shut down by different ISP 3 times How you mange not to be shut down? From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:35 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:02:01 +0200 To: moni@ubermorgen.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: bitte weiterfaxen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 190 liebe moni, bitte das word doc an unsere anwaelting weiterschicken: an: stephanie schliepack fax.nr.: 0049-30-28096462 best lizvlx Attachment converted: Mac OS 9:Cease_and_Desist_letter.doc 1 (WDBN/MSWD) (0000694B) From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:35 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c03e0c$04b256a0$02eecacf@nwlink.com> References: <000a01c03e0c$04b256a0$02eecacf@nwlink.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:52:06 +0200 To: "Jonah" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: I Support Your End Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 191 Re: I Support Your End

 
 
To whom it may concern,
 
 
I have reviewed your website and believe it to be a paragon of all that is evil in our democracy.  I support the government in closing it down.  Your logic is flawed and aimed at the ignorant and/or selfish who have no idea how democracy works.
 
The assertion that voters are bought is a cogent one, but this is not something to be capitalized off of, but to be fought against.  And there are plenty of organizations fighting against it.  Your website is a self-centered, cynical example of mindless complacency to the forces that be.  Why don't you DO SOMETHING about it, as opposed to trying to profit on it?  Oh I know, social service is so painful.
 
You should be ashamed, and I look forward to your organization's demise.
 
Sincerely,
 
J. G.
From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:35 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:51:25 +0200 To: "Phiber OPtik" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: By the Way... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 192 nono, that's fine. best lizvlx > Just an addition to my previous email. >I live in Michigan, if that makes any difference. > >I'm ready to offer my vote! > > reply to: > > phiberoptik@yahoo.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:36 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:50:25 +0200 To: "Leo Cabana" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 193 hi back, thanks for your question. answers: >How does vote-aution.com ensure that a purchased >vote will be cast for the candidate that the buyer >wishes? the exact way of solving this will be a question between the seller and the bidder. if a bidder wants to be extra-sure, then maybe he will ask for soome proof. >I don't understand what would prevent me from selling >a vote then voting as I please anyway. Is come kind >of absentee-voting system employed? The viability of >the vote-selling "industry" would seem to hinge on this issue. the vote-selling industry is working now, has been working for years. there is no need to vote differently to what you are being paid for. if you are a rat, you will break your oath, if you are a moral person, you will not. this is soft money. relationships of trust. best lizvlx > >Thanks, >Leo Cabana >LeoCabana@hotmail.com >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:36 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010240751.JAA04483@kreta.sofha.de> References: <200010240751.JAA04483@kreta.sofha.de> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:45:46 +0200 To: Marc Stibane From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Missing "-" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 194 thanks for the error report. we will correct this. best lizvlx >in the dialog: > >Thank you >for registering your vote with voteauction.com. > /\ > > >BTW: You should definitely have an email-address >"webmaster@vote-auction.com", so web-related stuff could be sent there. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:36 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F5C89F.AAD94BEA@brandaide.com> References: <39F5C89F.AAD94BEA@brandaide.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:44:43 +0200 To: brandaide@on.aibn.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Canadian Federal election Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 195 thank you very much for this information. very appreciated. best lizvlx >The Federal election in Canada will take place on Nov 27th!!!! > >Canada is the best wired country in the world with over 70% of >its population with internet access!! > >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; >name="rparkinson.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for Richard Parkinson >Content-Disposition: attachment; >filename="rparkinson.vcf" > >Attachment converted: Mac OS 9:rparkinson.vcf (TEXT/ttxt) (00006661) From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:36 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d901c03d52$e52a4860$54d3b518@cx180090c> References: <00d901c03d52$e52a4860$54d3b518@cx180090c> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:43:00 +0200 To: "Steve Whitcher" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Registration section has an error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 196 we will correct this. thanks. lizvlx >I assume that on your registration page, NB is supposed to mean >Nebraska.Ê However, NE is the appropriate abbreviation.Ê Maybe this >is why you don't have many votes registered for NE?Ê > > >Steve > From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:37 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F62BF4.DA378931@gazard.com> References: <39F62BF4.DA378931@gazard.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:42:31 +0200 To: Stephen Gazard From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: not really a PR question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 197 thanks for that input. we had to do a sperquick redesign. we will enhance the performace of the site this week. best lizvlx >One thing about your site that may make it inaccessible to some >people. The left hand navigation bar does not scroll when at a >resolution of 800x600 and using netscape or internet explorer >because you have the scrolling set to no > >the 11th line should read: > > scrolling="auto" noresize bordercolor="#FFFFCC"> > >Stephen From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:37 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <73.7e6bfad.2725ac14@aol.com> References: <73.7e6bfad.2725ac14@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:40:58 +0200 To: SImparl@aol.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: one other thing about voteauction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 198 you can just go to http://63.86.111.157/ ehich is the website of the chicago board of elections. you can find there a link to the legal papers. best lizvlx >In a message dated 10/23/2000 9:37:08 AM Central Daylight Time, >pr@vote-auction.com writes: > >> yup, thanks...! >>Ê >> >Welcome back online! > >Do you have a copy of the Illinois court order that you can send to me? > >Thanks, > >Steve Imparl From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:37 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:39:06 +0200 To: 493028096462@faxaway.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: FAXDOC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 199 Attachment converted: Mac OS 9:Cease_and_Desist_letter.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (000068F2) From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:37 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:30:32 +0200 To: Charles Platt From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: publicity Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 200 dear charles, yup, who ever imagined they would give us 20 minuntes on CNN at lunchtime... the best way still to get a new domain name marketed. i just took a look at the website of the board of ecelctions, chicago. they are an independent agency responsible only for the election process in chicago and cook county, and their yearly budget is USD 20 million!!! incredibly bad work they must be doing, having such a budget and still so little people using their personal right to vote. as regards to your question . . . >But, I'm wondering what your plans are, AFTER the >election. At that time, assume events may unfold a >little more slowly. . . . as you might imagine, we will be doing a major event on election day, which will also be the day when our vote-auctions will take place. and after that, we will be working on all the data gathered within the elections. and then, there will be elections in canada on nov. 27th, it seems quite probable that we will get engaged there. also, we will be working out a business plan after nov. 7th, and decide on our future cash-flow model.. maybe we will still need to do some more work on the legal side, maybe the winds in those seas will have calmed down after nov. 7th. and also, we will then be able [after nov.7th], to devote more time to our other projects, such as etoy. best lizvlx >Hi-- > >I've been following your exploits with amusement and amazement. Who would >have thought that you'd get people so excited? I always assumed that votes >are bought routinely in the political process. > >I'm a senior writer at Wired magazine. Unfortunately Wired has a very long >lead time (usually, 3 months from the time I start researching and >writing, to the date when the article is published). Consequently I cannot >write about topical, fast-moving events. > >But, I'm wondering what your plans are, AFTER the election. At that time, >I assume events may unfold a little more slowly. > >--Charles Platt > >PS. Sure hope you have vote_auction.com registered. Just in case. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:38 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:19:11 +0200 To: Dan Whitmore From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: news item Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 201 thanks for the info. best lizvlx >Hello > >This article appeared on uk.internet.com > >Internet vote riggers target Europe > >http://www.uk.internet.com/Article/100716 From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:38 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F65A27.107CE812@chron.com> References: <39F65A27.107CE812@chron.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:04:27 +0200 To: Dale Lezon From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 202 dear dale, here a few answers to your questions. please understand that i cannot go into full detail on every question, as my time is limited. best lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com >my name is dale lezon. i'm a reporter with the houston chronicle >newspaper in houston, texas. i'd like to talk with you about the web >site. ok. >specifically, i'd like to find out how many, if any, people in >houston and/or texas have auctioned their votes or how many people in >houston and/or texas have contacted the site. yes, there are people from texas who have registered to get their votes into the auction. i cannot give eexact figures at this moment, but i can tell you that regarding texas the following is true: more people from texas have interest in buying votes than in selling votes. >with texas governor Bush running, the site is of speical interest >to texans. here are a few questions. if you would answer them, >i'd appreciate it. ok. >have any votes been auctioned? is the site a satire on the u.s. >political system? the auction process has not taken place yet as we want to delver best prices to our users. and those prices can only be reached the closer to election day. and, the elections industry sure is no satire, neither are we. >is it a money-making project? where did the idea for the site originate? yes, it is profit-oriented. as with any business, yyou do not make money from day one. at the moment we consider ourselves being in the process of "investing into the idea". we are planning on making profits by mid next year. the original idea of the site is by james baumgartner. he sold the project to us after getting into troubles with new york auhorities. james baumgartner is an art student in upstate new york. >does the site contain all the u.s. federal, state and local elections? yup. that means: in the backend: yes. for the users, at this moment, only our testmarket, the current us elections are open to the public. >does it contain elections from other countires? as above - we are planning on going public with other elections in mid-november. >The judge ordered the website shut down; is that why i can't scoll down >to auction offerings? no. this is only due to technical upgrades. >who owns the site? the domain owner is hans bernhard, the holding company of the site is ubermorgen.com. >if you could answer these questions and contact me i would appreciate >it. you can e-mail or call me at 1-713-220-7523. thank you, dale. you are wwelcome, best lizvlx From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:39 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F65B5B.DE72C101@fairtunes.com> References: <39F65B5B.DE72C101@fairtunes.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:53:10 +0200 To: Jacob Everist From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: voting idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 203 we are currently working on software solutions to allow for processes like the one you have described. best lizvlx >Read this: > >http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/10/21/1722227&cid=54 > >This is actually kind of cool. > >I live in a swing state and I'd love to trade my vote with someone in a >non-swing state to vote for an independent. You think you could >facilitate this? > > >-- >Jacob Everist >jeverist@fairtunes.com > >http://www.fairtunes.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:39 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97754A2768C7D311BD11009027DCC9936222FB@mail.gatrixx.de> References: <97754A2768C7D311BD11009027DCC9936222FB@mail.gatrixx.de> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:52:14 +0200 To: Achim Sawall From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: AW: AW: interview Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 204 SIE SPRACHEN MIT: liz vlx c.e.o. ubermorgen.com [holding company vote-auction.com] >Kšnnten wir noch einen Namen kriegen, damit wir wissen, mit wem wir sprachen > >-----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- >Von: [V]ote-auction.com PR [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Oktober 2000 19:48 >An: Achim Sawall >Betreff: Re: AW: interview > > > >>okay here we go >> >>de.internet.com: Ihr satirisches Konzept, US-BriefwŠhler-Stimmen stimmen >>meistbietend zu versteigern, hat die US-Justiz auf den Plan gerufen, ihr >>Surver mu§te ins Ausland emigrieren. Hatten Sie so starken Gegenwind >>erwartet? > >nicht im so extremen ausmass, nein. aber wir sind nicht naiv, >wir sind nicht davon ausgegangen, dass man nicht darauf regaiert. >was uns allerdings bestuertzt ist die extreme vorgangsweise, dass >man nicht mit uns spricht, sondern ganz im gegenteil alle leute >verklagt, die auch nur im geringsten damit zu tun haben. > >> >>de.internet.com: Welche Reaktionen haben Sie von Nutzern Ihrers Angebots >>erfahren, wie laufen die GeschŠfte? > >die reagktionen sind sehr polarisierend, wie man sich >erwarten kann. einige hate-mails aus den usa, und viele >viele uinterstuetzermails. interessant sind auch die >mails, in denen angefragt wird, wie man den jetzt stimmen >kaufen koenne. > >> >>de.internet.com: Ihr Angebot scheint an die Grundfesten des >Demokratiespiels >>zu gehen, eigentlich verwunderlich, in den USA werden Abgeordnete Ÿber >>Lobbying eingekauft, selten war jemand PrŠsident der nicht MillionŠr war. >>Wozu der Trubel? > >das fragen wir uns auch, wir sagen dazu: wir haben >die election industry nicht erfunden, wir wollen >nur den b2c markt erobern. und da ist viel geld und >viel macht drinnen. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: Vote-auction PR [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >>Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2000 15:45 >>An: Susanne SchŠdlich; achim@de.internet.com >>Betreff: Re: interview >> >> >> >> sicher gerne. >> >> koennen wir machen. >> >> bitte mailen sie uns ihre fragen, wir >> werden umgehend darauf antworten. >> >> mfg >> lizvlx >> ceo ubermorgen.com >> >>>Dear Hans Bernhard, dear Operators of Vote-auction.com: >>> >>>de.internt.com is a German Online News Magazine, specializing in Marketing >>>and Technology News. We have been reporting recently about your Site >>>(supporting your efforts of "Bringing Capitalism and Democracy Closer >>>Together"). We would like to do an e-Mail interview with you about your >>>Site, your motives etc. >>> >>>Please, contact Achim Sawall, Editor, at: achim@de.internet.com >>> >>>In hope for a positive resonse and looking forward to hearing from you >>soon. >>> >>>Susanne SchŠdlich >>>Editor >>>de.internet.com >>>Am Kalrsbad 11 >>>10875 Berlin >>>Germany >>>Tel: 49-30-206 03 223 >> >>-- >> . . 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[V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > http://www.vote-auction.com > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:39 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:49:05 +0200 To: "Olson, Paul" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Remove me from you site. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 205 no problem. consider yourself removed. best lizvlx >Dear sirs, >I did not realize that this was a real site and indeed could put me in >voilation of the law. Remove my submission from your site. >Paul Olson >338 Hummingbird Lane >Madison Wi. >olson176@netscape.net >Thank you. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:40 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:47:38 +0200 To: CoolRussells2@aol.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Q and A Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 206 dear coolrussels, what we do is: . sign you up as a voter . combine all the votes from one state into a vote block . then bidders start an auction on the block of votes . then the bidder and the voters make the deal directly with each other. best lizvlx >So you will send me money for my vote? From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:40 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001024183236.009db920@pop.std.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001024183236.009db920@pop.std.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:44:04 +0200 To: Martin Hannigan From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: HI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 207 dear martin, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >You suck. I find your concept to really be in the gutter. > >I hope you go to Federal Prison. Scumbags. > >Love, > >-M From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:41 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:55:25 +0200 To: "Steven Bainnson" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: RE: News coverage on Vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 208 nope, we are profit. best lizvlx >Are you non-profit, if so I could give you a 30% discount. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [V]ote-auction.com PR [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:18 AM >To: Steven Bainnson >Subject: RE: News coverage on Vote-auction.com > > >thanks for the offer. >but it is a bit expensive for 1 minute of footage. > >best >lizvlx > >>Length is approximately 1 minute, and it was about an incorrect rumor of >>your company shutting down due to a temporary outage over the weekend. >Clip >>includes various footage of the site. >> >>The price is a very competitive industry rate, please see attached rate >>sheet. If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact >>me. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [V]ote-auction.com PR [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:49 AM >>To: Steven Bainnson >>Subject: Re: News coverage on Vote-auction.com >> >> >>if you could briefly tell us first: >>.what kind of length the segment is >>.what the core story is >>.why it is so expensive. >> >>best >>lizvlx >> >>> >>> >>>Your company received news coverage on the TECHTV Cable Network >>>which airs nationally. We can provide you with a VHS tape or a >>>digital version of this news clip. We can also provide any other >>>segments that might have aired. >>> >>>We can provide you with a VHS tape ($95.00) or a digital version of >>>this news clip can be emailed to you today ($210.00) >>> >>> >>> >>>If you are interested please reply or contact at the number below so >>>that we may discuss this further and check for additional >>>coverage. >>> >>>Multivision is a national news monitoring services capable of >>>delivering to you, all of your media retrieval needs. Attached >>>please find some information on our company including a price and >>>market list. You may visit our website at >>>www.mvisionmedia.com where you can find >>>additional information and samples of our digital service. >>>Thank you for your interest in our service. >>> >>>Steven Bainnson >>>Sales Manager >>>Multivision Media Monitoring >>>(212) 244-4830 x 112 >>>(917) 861-3797 (cell) >>> >> >>-- >> . . 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[V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > http://www.vote-auction.com > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:42 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:51:58 +0200 To: "Stenger, Richard" From: lizvlx Subject: Re: your name Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 209 it has been my screen name for some time. liz first name vlx last name best lizvlx >Dear Lizvlx, > >I failed to ask a most important question. What does your name mean? > >Richard Stenger >Sci-Tech Writer >CNN.com >richard.stenger@cnn.com >404.827.4376 From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:43 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010241542.AA151716000@mail.kavi.net> References: <200010241542.AA151716000@mail.kavi.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:51:18 +0200 To: From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: SERVER INFO: Re: For your information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 210 yup, great to know. we will correct that. best lizvlx >Gru§ Gott, > >I noticed a common mistake with your website. When I try to go to >'vote-auction.com' rather than 'www.vote-auction.com', I am >redirected to 'http://www.etxtreme.com/home.html'. I thought you >might like to know. > >Kavi Grace From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:43 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F5E157.2E1D4DA2@execpc.com> References: <39F5C016.F77B9CAF@execpc.com> <39F5E157.2E1D4DA2@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:50:16 +0200 To: Jon Schlichting From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: ANOTHER AUSTRIAN CONTRIBUTION TO WORLD PEACE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 211 i just do not understand why you wanna forget about your german ancestry when you have troubles with things done by reported austrians. and also, why you are being so nationalistic. best lizvlx >Too hard to understand for an Ubermensch? The coming DOS will wake enlighten >you. > >"[V]ote-auction.com PR" wrote: > >>what? >>>JUST WHAT I'D EXPECT.....THINK I'LL CHANGE MY NAME SO I NEVER AGAIN HAVE >>>TO ADMIT TO GERMAN ANCESTRY. >> >>-- >> . . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:44 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:18:10 +0200 To: "Steven Bainnson" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: RE: News coverage on Vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 212 thanks for the offer. but it is a bit expensive for 1 minute of footage. best lizvlx >Length is approximately 1 minute, and it was about an incorrect rumor of >your company shutting down due to a temporary outage over the weekend. Clip >includes various footage of the site. > >The price is a very competitive industry rate, please see attached rate >sheet. If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact >me. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [V]ote-auction.com PR [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:49 AM >To: Steven Bainnson >Subject: Re: News coverage on Vote-auction.com > > >if you could briefly tell us first: >.what kind of length the segment is >.what the core story is >.why it is so expensive. > >best >lizvlx > >> >> >>Your company received news coverage on the TECHTV Cable Network >>which airs nationally. We can provide you with a VHS tape or a >>digital version of this news clip. We can also provide any other >>segments that might have aired. >> >>We can provide you with a VHS tape ($95.00) or a digital version of >>this news clip can be emailed to you today ($210.00) >> >> >> >>If you are interested please reply or contact at the number below so >>that we may discuss this further and check for additional >>coverage. >> >>Multivision is a national news monitoring services capable of >>delivering to you, all of your media retrieval needs. Attached >>please find some information on our company including a price and >>market list. You may visit our website at >>www.mvisionmedia.com where you can find >>additional information and samples of our digital service. >>Thank you for your interest in our service. >> >>Steven Bainnson >>Sales Manager >>Multivision Media Monitoring >>(212) 244-4830 x 112 >>(917) 861-3797 (cell) >> > >-- > . . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > http://www.vote-auction.com > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >Attachment converted: Mac OS 9:letter - prices adv.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (000066AC) From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:45 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:17:34 +0200 To: Michelle Dennehy From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: RE: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 213 i guess we all have better things to do than joke around. best lizvlx >So the site is not a joke? > >-----Original Message----- >From: [V]ote-auction.com PR [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:56 AM >To: Michelle Dennehy >Subject: RE: Vote-auction.com back online > > >we are at the moment in the process of >a major software update. >we will be able to disclose more figures >when we are finished. (in about a week) > >best >lizvlx > >>Vote-auction: >> >>I read in a Wired story (below) that the whole Web site was meant to be a >>joke, and that actually no one had registered to buy votes. Can you confirm >>this and give me accurate information on how many voters and sellers have >>registered? >> >>http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39590,00.html >> >>Thanks, >>Michelle Dennehy >>News Editor >>tel. 650 808 5865 >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: pr@vote-auction.com [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >>Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:56 PM >>To: pr@vote-auction.com >>Subject: Vote-auction.com back online >> >> >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Vote-auction.com back online >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Berlin, October 22, 2000 >> >> Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com >> [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant >> information on the latest developments of the site and the >> people and users behind it. >> >> You can also find this press release at >> http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm >> >> For any further information feel free to contact >> pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com >> >> The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com >> has regained access to the web via its new domain >> >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> >> During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has >> been passed concerning the website which explores the >> high-risk consumer markets of the American election >> industry. >> >> The site's original domain had been ordered shut down >> by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois >> earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took >> their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost >> everybody related to the existence of the website, the >> owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy >> paper for version 2.0 of the project. >> >> >> [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... >> >> The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every >> effort to get the site out of service during the last >> 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, >> James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans >> Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest >> to sue: >> >> . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where >> the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. >> It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. >>ÊÊ >> . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as >> well as of one of the top technical staff are also named >> defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is >> vote-auction.com's internet access provider. >> >> >> [V] (Il)legal Battle? >> >> It remains open for discussion how it should be possible >> that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider >> could ever be responsible for contents accessible via >> domains they are providing routing services for. >> Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total >> violation of standards set by ICANN. >> >> We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's >> name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of >> repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. >> >> Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to >> work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- >> bank being involved in the legal case, the provider > > "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them >> with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. >> Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we >> asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain >> to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by >> domainbank, as they had at that time already made >> a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the >> domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- >> bank's executives. >> >> Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide >> you with a clear statement from their president: >> >> "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. >> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing >> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very >> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com >> in russia and japan." >> >> >> [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression >> >> Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their >> support in various emails. This is another reason why >> we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. >> legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com >> works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on >> protecting any data which has been submitted to us by >> trusting users. >> >> Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to >> user rights. The court has ordered all data of users >> registered with the site to be disclosed to the >> authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in >> Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually >> for so-called "voter fraud". >> >> >> [V] Where to go from here >> >> Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services >> to the vital elections markets. We will keep on >> focusing on the American elections until mid-November >> this year. In the meantime we will also finish our >> redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready >> for upcoming elections worldwide. >> >> >> For the Vote-auction.com team: >> >> lizvlx >> [V]ote-auction.com >> >> >> PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via >> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >> >> pr@vote-auction.com >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> >> We will not be able to receive messages sent to the >> old address. Thank you. >> >> >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> [] [] >> [] [V]ote-auction.com [] >> [] [] >> [] pr@vote-auction.com [] >> [] [] >> [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] >> [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] >> [] [] >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------- >>This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com > >-- > . . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > http://www.vote-auction.com > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:47 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <972194390.39f282566a619@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:16:01 +0200 To: John Zipperer From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 214 hiback here are the answers. >Thanks for the response. I'm thinking e-mail might work best due to >the time differences between us. I'll include my questions below, >and if you could e-mail me your responses, I should receive them >sometime Tuesday, New York time. Thanks in advance. > >1. The Chicago Board of Election Commissioners has told me that they >have contacted the Austrian Embassy, which has referred the matter >to the Austrian Ministry of Justice. Are you concerned that the >Austrian government might step in and knock you offline where the >U.S. government maybe can't cross international borders? we have been vistited by austrian police - but as both of us are not in austria at the moment, i cannot tell you more on that (an employee talked with them). >2. Is your server located in Austria? Your press release is >datelined Berlin, and it refers to Silver Surfer, but >silversurfer.at leads to an Austrian water surfing site; there is a >silver-surfer.de; is that the place that hosts your site? our servers are located in austria, bulgaria and the netherlands. we have an office in berlin, and at the moment we are both working in berlin. we are hosted by silverserver.at. >3. The Circuit Court of Cook County (Illinois), which issued the >temporary injunction against voteauction.com, reportedly also bars >voteauction.com from operating under a different name. Isn't that >what you're doing, however, with vote-auction.com? we started working on vote-auction.com before the ruling of the judge from illinois - we put the site live even before we even had knowledge about the judge's ruling. >4. There's some debate about whether this site is intended as satire >or as a serious attempt as an e-commerce site. Can you clear up the >confusion? the holding company of ubermorgen.com is a profit oriented business. we do not see every single act we do as created direct renvenue at the spot. but our goal is a capitalist one. >5. What other sites, if any, do you operate? Are any of them similar >to vote-auction.com? Do you have plans to create other vote >auctioning sites for other countries? http://www.etxtreme.ru http://www.etoyACTION.com http://www.ekmrz.cx http://www.ubermorgen.net we will use vote-auction.com for international business. >6. If the site is intended as a business site and not a satire site, >why would e-commerce be more important than election laws in the >U.S.? because the us have capitalism as the true basis for democracy. >7. I'm not sure from your e-mail name below, but are you the owner >of the site? Could you include your name and title in your reply so >I can credit you appropriately in my writing? liz vlx ceo ubermorgen.com vice-president vote-auction.com > >8. And, finally, are you concerned about the rulings by the Circuit >Court of Cook County against you? Will you be represented in that >court on October 30 when the Chicago commissioners bring the case >back to court? we will be present by representatives only. thank you. best lizvlx > >Thanks again. > >--John Zipperer >Associate Editor >Internet World >jzipperer@iw.com > >>dear john, >>phone interview is possible at >>+49-175.2066954 >>we are also happy to answer your questions >>by email. >> >>best >>lizvlx >>ceo ubermorgen.com >> >>>Vote-Auction.com: >>> >>>Would any executives of your company be available for a phone >>>interview to discuss this matter? Alternatively, we could do it >>>via e-mail; I can e-mail you questions and you can write out your >>>answers and e-mail them back to me. Please let me know if either >>>approach works. >>> >>>Thank you. >>> >>>--John Zipperer >>>Assoc. Editor, Internet World >>>jzipperer@iw.com >>>212-547-1827 >>> >>>>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>Vote-auction.com back online >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>Berlin, October 22, 2000 >>>> >>>>Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com >>>>[formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant >>>>information on the latest developments of the site and the >>>>people and users behind it. >>>> >>>>You can also find this press release at >>>>http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm >>>> >>>>For any further information feel free to contact >>>>pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>>[V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com >>>> >>>>The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com >>>>has regained access to the web via its new domain >>>> >>>>http://www.vote-auction.com >>>> >>>>During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has >>>>been passed concerning the website which explores the >>>>high-risk consumer markets of the American election >>>>industry. >>>> >>>>The site's original domain had been ordered shut down >>>>by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois >>>>earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took >>>>their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost >>>>everybody related to the existence of the website, the >>>>owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy >>>>paper for version 2.0 of the project. >>>> >>>> >>>>[V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... >>>> >>>>The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every >>>>effort to get the site out of service during the last >>>>2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, >>>>James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans >>>>Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest >>>>to sue: >>>> >>>>. domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where >>>> the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. >>>> It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. >>>> . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as >>>> well as of one of the top technical staff are also named >>>> defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is >>>> vote-auction.com's internet access provider. >>>> >>>> >>>>[V] (Il)legal Battle? >>>> >>>>It remains open for discussion how it should be possible >>>>that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider >>>>could ever be responsible for contents accessible via >>>>domains they are providing routing services for. >>>>Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total >>>>violation of standards set by ICANN. >>>> >>>>We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's >>>>name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of >>>>repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. >>>> >>>>Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to >>>>work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- >>>>bank being involved in the legal case, the provider >>>>"politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them >>>>with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. >>>>Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we >>>>asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain >>>>to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by >>>>domainbank, as they had at that time already made >>>>a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the >>>>domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- >>>>bank's executives. >>>> >>>>Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide >>>>you with a clear statement from their president: >>>> >>>>"SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. >>>> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing >>>> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very >>>> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com >>>> in russia and japan." >>>> >>>> >>>>[V] Users give full support - despite potential respression >>>> >>>>Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their >>>>support in various emails. This is another reason why >>>>we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. >>>>legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com >>>>works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on >>>>protecting any data which has been submitted to us by >>>>trusting users. >>>> >>>>Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to >>>>user rights. The court has ordered all data of users >>>>registered with the site to be disclosed to the >>>>authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in >>>>Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually >>>>for so-called "voter fraud". >>>> >>>> >>>>[V] Where to go from here >>>> >>>>Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services >>>>to the vital elections markets. We will keep on >>>>focusing on the American elections until mid-November >>>>this year. In the meantime we will also finish our >>>>redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready >>>>for upcoming elections worldwide. >>>> >>>> >>>>For the Vote-auction.com team: >>>> >>>>lizvlx >>>>[V]ote-auction.com >>>> >>>> >>>>PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via >>>> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >>>> >>>> pr@vote-auction.com >>>> http://www.vote-auction.com >>>> >>>>We will not be able to receive messages sent to the >>>>old address. Thank you. >>>> >>>> >>>>[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >>>>[] [] >>>>[] [V]ote-auction.com [] >>>>[] [] >>>>[] pr@vote-auction.com [] >>>>[] [] >>>>[] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] >>>>[] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] >>>>[] [] >>>>[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------- >>>>This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com >>> >>>-- >>>___ >>>John Zipperer >>>Associate Editor >>>Internet World magazine >>>www.internetworld.com >>>250 Park Avenue South, 10th floor >>>New York, NY 10003 >>>mailto:zipperer@iw.com >>>212-547-1827 >>> >>>Internet World is part of the Penton Media family of products. >> >>-- >>. . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> http://www.vote-auction.com >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >-- >___ >John Zipperer >Associate Editor >Internet World magazine >www.internetworld.com >250 Park Avenue South, 10th floor >New York, NY 10003 >mailto:zipperer@iw.com >212-547-1827 > >Internet World is part of the Penton Media family of products. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:49 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13.c75073e.2726f4ea@aol.com> References: <13.c75073e.2726f4ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:01:51 +0200 To: SImparl@aol.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: A concern about Vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 215 dear steve we will not disclose data. as a short answer. sorry i am in stress, cant tell you more. best lizvlx >Hi. > >I have another question. The numbers on the site are fabricated; you have >mentioned that. > >Here is a concern. The people who registered may face harassment from >government officials, even though they never intended to buy or sell votes.Ê >In an earlier e-mail, you stated that you had collected information solely >for demographic purposes. However, there is now the issue that Chicago and >Illinois and USA officials may attempt to prosecute people. How is their >privacy guaranteed? > >Here's more news about what is happening here: > >http://news.cnet.com/news//0-1005-200-3274948.html > >Thanks, > >Steve Imparl From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:49 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:00:24 +0200 To: David Park From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Message Board Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 216 thanks for the offer. will get back to it. thanks lizvlx >Hello, > >I just read about your site on ZDNet and went to your site. I noticed that >you don't have a message board area on your site. If you'd like to use a >great free message board service, you should check out coolboard.com >(http://www.coolboard.com). We provide one of the best, customizable >message boards on the Net. > >Regards, >David > >--------------------------------------------- >David Park >President/CTO >CoolBoard.com, Inc. > >544 Golden Gate, Suite 200 >San Francisco, CA 94110 >(415) 627-9000 x1012 From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:50 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:59:59 +0200 To: ZoSoIV82@aol.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: hello Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 217 will do so. best lizvlx >ok please delete my name thanks for the reply From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:50 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401c03d44$591cbd20$7aa8a8c0@redgoblin> References: <001401c03d44$591cbd20$7aa8a8c0@redgoblin> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:56:36 +0200 To: "Brian Cosgrove" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: well... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 218 dear brian, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >Are you fucking kidding me?Ê Your web site better be a fucking joke >you asshole.Ê How dare you use money to further corrupt the U.S. >government you arrogant fuck.Ê Get this shit off the internet now, >and get a fucking life.Ê How the fuck could you do something like >this?Ê Are you stupid or just an asshole?Ê Don't you know you will >get caught by international regulators?Ê AHAHAHAHA, you dumb shit. > >Sincerely, >Bill Clinton From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:51 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:56:01 +0200 To: Michelle Dennehy From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: RE: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 219 we are at the moment in the process of a major software update. we will be able to disclose more figures when we are finished. (in about a week) best lizvlx >Vote-auction: > >I read in a Wired story (below) that the whole Web site was meant to be a >joke, and that actually no one had registered to buy votes. Can you confirm >this and give me accurate information on how many voters and sellers have >registered? > >http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39590,00.html > >Thanks, >Michelle Dennehy >News Editor >tel. 650 808 5865 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pr@vote-auction.com [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:56 PM >To: pr@vote-auction.com >Subject: Vote-auction.com back online > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Vote-auction.com back online > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Berlin, October 22, 2000 > > Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com > [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant > information on the latest developments of the site and the > people and users behind it. > > You can also find this press release at > http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm > > For any further information feel free to contact > pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com > > The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com > has regained access to the web via its new domain > > http://www.vote-auction.com > > During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has > been passed concerning the website which explores the > high-risk consumer markets of the American election > industry. > > The site's original domain had been ordered shut down > by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois > earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took > their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost > everybody related to the existence of the website, the > owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy > paper for version 2.0 of the project. > > > [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... > > The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every > effort to get the site out of service during the last > 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, > James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans > Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest > to sue: > > . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where > the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. > It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. > Ê > . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as > well as of one of the top technical staff are also named > defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is > vote-auction.com's internet access provider. > > > [V] (Il)legal Battle? > > It remains open for discussion how it should be possible > that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider > could ever be responsible for contents accessible via > domains they are providing routing services for. > Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total > violation of standards set by ICANN. > > We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's > name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of > repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. > > Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to > work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- > bank being involved in the legal case, the provider > "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them > with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. > Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we > asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain > to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by > domainbank, as they had at that time already made > a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the > domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- > bank's executives. > > Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide > you with a clear statement from their president: > > "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. > SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing > contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very > interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com > in russia and japan." > > > [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression > > Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their > support in various emails. This is another reason why > we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. > legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com > works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on > protecting any data which has been submitted to us by > trusting users. > > Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to > user rights. The court has ordered all data of users > registered with the site to be disclosed to the > authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in > Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually > for so-called "voter fraud". > > > [V] Where to go from here > > Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services > to the vital elections markets. We will keep on > focusing on the American elections until mid-November > this year. In the meantime we will also finish our > redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready > for upcoming elections worldwide. > > > For the Vote-auction.com team: > > lizvlx > [V]ote-auction.com > > > PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via > web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: > > pr@vote-auction.com > http://www.vote-auction.com > > We will not be able to receive messages sent to the > old address. Thank you. > > > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > [] [] > [] [V]ote-auction.com [] > [] [] > [] pr@vote-auction.com [] > [] [] > [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] > [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] > [] [] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:52 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:53:55 +0200 To: Herbert From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: RE: Interview Request with Mr. Bernhard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 220 liebe leute von news, wir wuerden uns freuen, wenn ihr uns anruft unter der nummer +49-175-2066954 best lizvlx >Lieber Hans Bernhard, >ich bin Korrespondent fŸr die Verlagsgruppe NEWS in New York und wŸrde mich >Ÿber ein GesprŠch mit Ihnen freuen. Format hat je bereits eine Story Ÿber >Vote-Auction gebracht. Sie kšnnen mich entweder per remail oder unter >212-217-2065 erreichen. >Ich danke im Voraus. >Liebe GrŸ§e, >Herbert Bauernebel > >........................................................... >NEWS PUBLISHING GROUP >Herbert Bauernebel >Correspondent NEWS, FORMAT >phone (212) 217-2065 cell (646) 279-5618 >fax (212) 217-2063 >100 John Street #3104 >New York, NY, 10038 >newsny@mindspring.com >http://www.news.at >............................................................ From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:53 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:52:34 +0200 To: "mac.com" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Voting for democracy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 221 dear b, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx > You're Slime. I can only reiterate that you are complete slime to think >that the word democracy has anything to do with capitalism. Capitalism and >Elitism maybe but not democracy. Or perhaps you are just to ignorant of the >mentality that people can do something without money being the deciding >factor.Ê > >If you've gotten this far then thank you for reading this. > >Benjamin Hall >612.827.6313 >benjin@mac.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:53 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:51:20 +0200 To: "Tim" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 222 please find information on the process on the website. if you have any specific questions, we are happy to answer. best lizvlx >So how exactly does this work and is it legal? From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:53 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <32.bbe158d.272715f9@aol.com> References: <32.bbe158d.272715f9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:50:35 +0200 To: ZoSoIV82@aol.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: hello Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 223 do not be concerned, we can just delete you from our databases and also, if you are not even old enough to vote, no-one will be able to accuse you of voter fraud. :) lizvlx >how can you withdraw your vote? please tell me because im not old enought to >vote and dont want to get any one in trouble thanks wes From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:54 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:48:48 +0200 To: "Steven Bainnson" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: News coverage on Vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 224 if you could briefly tell us first: ..what kind of length the segment is ..what the core story is ..why it is so expensive. best lizvlx > > >Your company received news coverage on the TECHTV Cable Network >which airs nationally.Ê We can provide you with a VHS tape or a >digital version of this news clip.Ê We can also provide any other >segments that might have aired. > >We can provide you with a VHS tape ($95.00) or a digital version of >this news clip can be emailed to you today ($210.00) > > > >If you are interested please reply or contact at the number below so >that we may discuss this further and check for additional >coverage.ÊÊÊ > >Multivision is a national news monitoring services capable of >delivering to you, all of your media retrieval needs.Ê Attached >please find some information on our company including a price and >market list. You may visit our website at >www.mvisionmedia.com where you can find >additional information and samples of our digital service. >Thank you for your interest in our service. > >StevenÊBainnson >Sales Manager >Multivision Media Monitoring >(212) 244-4830 x 112 >(917) 861-3797 (cell) > From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:56 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97754A2768C7D311BD11009027DCC9936222D9@mail.gatrixx.de> References: <97754A2768C7D311BD11009027DCC9936222D9@mail.gatrixx.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:47:35 +0200 To: Achim Sawall From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: AW: interview Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 225 >okay here we go > >de.internet.com: Ihr satirisches Konzept, US-BriefwŠhler-Stimmen stimmen >meistbietend zu versteigern, hat die US-Justiz auf den Plan gerufen, ihr >Surver mu§te ins Ausland emigrieren. Hatten Sie so starken Gegenwind >erwartet? nicht im so extremen ausmass, nein. aber wir sind nicht naiv, wir sind nicht davon ausgegangen, dass man nicht darauf regaiert. was uns allerdings bestuertzt ist die extreme vorgangsweise, dass man nicht mit uns spricht, sondern ganz im gegenteil alle leute verklagt, die auch nur im geringsten damit zu tun haben. > >de.internet.com: Welche Reaktionen haben Sie von Nutzern Ihrers Angebots >erfahren, wie laufen die GeschŠfte? die reagktionen sind sehr polarisierend, wie man sich erwarten kann. einige hate-mails aus den usa, und viele viele uinterstuetzermails. interessant sind auch die mails, in denen angefragt wird, wie man den jetzt stimmen kaufen koenne. > >de.internet.com: Ihr Angebot scheint an die Grundfesten des Demokratiespiels >zu gehen, eigentlich verwunderlich, in den USA werden Abgeordnete Ÿber >Lobbying eingekauft, selten war jemand PrŠsident der nicht MillionŠr war. >Wozu der Trubel? das fragen wir uns auch, wir sagen dazu: wir haben die election industry nicht erfunden, wir wollen nur den b2c markt erobern. und da ist viel geld und viel macht drinnen. > > > > > > > >-----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Vote-auction PR [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2000 15:45 >An: Susanne SchŠdlich; achim@de.internet.com >Betreff: Re: interview > > > > sicher gerne. > > koennen wir machen. > > bitte mailen sie uns ihre fragen, wir > werden umgehend darauf antworten. > > mfg > lizvlx > ceo ubermorgen.com > >>Dear Hans Bernhard, dear Operators of Vote-auction.com: >> >>de.internt.com is a German Online News Magazine, specializing in Marketing >>and Technology News. We have been reporting recently about your Site >>(supporting your efforts of "Bringing Capitalism and Democracy Closer >>Together"). We would like to do an e-Mail interview with you about your >>Site, your motives etc. >> >>Please, contact Achim Sawall, Editor, at: achim@de.internet.com >> >>In hope for a positive resonse and looking forward to hearing from you >soon. >> >>Susanne SchŠdlich >>Editor >>de.internet.com >>Am Kalrsbad 11 >>10875 Berlin >>Germany >>Tel: 49-30-206 03 223 > >-- > . . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > http://www.vote-auction.com > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:56 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F5C016.F77B9CAF@execpc.com> References: <39F5C016.F77B9CAF@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:42:09 +0200 To: Jon Schlichting From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: ANOTHER AUSTRIAN CONTRIBUTION TO WORLD PEACE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 226 what? >JUST WHAT I'D EXPECT.....THINK I'LL CHANGE MY NAME SO I NEVER AGAIN HAVE >TO ADMIT TO GERMAN ANCESTRY. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:56 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:28:00 +0200 To: "Mike Bologna" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Illinois Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 227 find below our answers. best lizvlx >Hello: > >Thank you for the recent press release. I read the >information and looked at the new web site. Again, I'd like >to write a story about your program and your press release >leaves a few questions unanswered. > > - Are you still soliciting votes from Illinois voters? yes. if you mean registering people from illinois to our database, then yes. > - Do you plan to represent yourselves in court in >Illinois? not in person, only by representation. > - If so, who is your attorney? we have no fix contract with an attorney in the states. > - Do you intend to comply with the component of the >court order directing you to deliver the names of Illinois >voters selling their votes through vote-auction.com? we cannot do that as ... we would need more time to comply to this - in order to get data out of the databases. ... we cannot really tell from our database directly if somebody in there is a registrant, a journalist or just somebody interested. ... we will protect our users. > >You can contact me via email at the above address or call me >at 773-551-9485. > >Sincerely, > >Michael Bologna >Staff Writer >Money and Politics Reporter >Bureau of National Affairs, Inc. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:56 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:23:19 +0200 To: "Kazak, David" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Please contact me... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 228 dear david, thanks for your enquiry, which we will be happy to follow. but please do us a favor and call us at 011-49-175-2066954 bestz lizvlx >Howdy, > >My name is Dave Kazak, legal affairs writer with the Daily Herald in >Chicago, and I very much desire an interview with an official at your >company about the current, on-going battle you have with our local >authorities. I've read the news release published at your new website. I've >also e-mailed you before, but haven't gotten a response. I am doing a story >that looks at the legality of your Website, and I'll be talking with those >authorities you're battling to get their thoughts. I want to talk to you to >get yours. I have questions that go beyond the info you've provided in the >news release. Please give me a call at your earliest pleasure. My phone >number is (847) 427-4554. My e-mail is http://dkazak@dailyherald.com. You >can find our newspaper online at http://www.dailyherald.com. Thanks for you >time. I hope to hear from you soon. > >D. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:57 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:21:39 +0200 To: "Ravve, Ruth" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: interview request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 229 please call us at 011-49-175-20.66.954 lizvlx > I am a producer with the Fox National News Network. I am working on a >report about vote-auction.com and am interested in an interview either on >camera within the United States, on the telephone or through comments on >email. > > I can be reached at 312-494-4850 or through email at >ruth.ravve@foxnews.com > > I look forward to hearing from you. > > > -Ruth Ravve > Fox News Channel producer From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:57 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c03cfb$d4a1b840$3ced0c18@sttls1.wa.home.com> References: <000801c03c29$1c177940$3ced0c18@sttls1.wa.home.com> <000601c03cfb$d4a1b840$3ced0c18@sttls1.wa.home.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:20:56 +0200 To: "Byron Daily" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 230 i am lizvlx. hans and me partners at ubermorgen.com >What is ; lizvlx ? > Just finished new book;Godfather of the Kremlin,by Paul Klebnikov.Moscow >and D.C. are brothers.One, course and unrefined,the other subtle and >smooth.But,brothers just the same. >BD >----------------------------------------------------- >Click here for Free Video!! >http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Vote-auction PR" >To: "Byron Daily" >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:52 AM >Subject: Re: > > >>:) >>lizvlx >> >>>Hans, RIGHT ON,MAN! >>>BD >>>----------------------------------------------------- >>>Click here for Free Video!! >>>http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ >> >>-- >> . . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:57 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <83.1e77ca6.272719a1@aol.com> References: <83.1e77ca6.272719a1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:18:18 +0200 To: Lgalby@aol.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: (no subject) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 231 thanks for that input. we will be doing a non.frames version quite soon and also one more suitable for smaller screens. it is just that we have to take one step at a time and have other deals running at the moment.. best lizvlx >you people need to look at your website on smaller resolutions. My god, >learn how to design a website. I'm on my laptop and cant' even scroll dow or >to the right. Nice, scrolling options you didn't allow. YOU HAVE TO DESIGN >FOR SMALL RESOLUTIONS AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING FRAMES. I just saw your >main man on cnn's talkback live. what a joke. they are all laughing at >this guy. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:57 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c03ddc$a36f3e50$58081f40@dellxpsd300> References: <000301c03ddc$a36f3e50$58081f40@dellxpsd300> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:16:55 +0200 To: "Jeffrey T. Hall" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Prison Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 232 dear jeffrey, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >You people are complete dirtballs and losers. You epitomize >everything that is wrong in American electoral politics. You will >likely end up in prison. I will strongly encourage the most severe >criminal penalties upon your conviction. > > > >I hate to use such vial language but you ÒpeopleÓ truly are PIECES OF SHIT! > > > > > > > > From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:58 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001024171322.4271.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20001024171322.4271.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:15:55 +0200 To: "W.J. Moriarty" From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: CNN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 233 dear w.j., i am deeply sorry that mr. bernhard does carry neither the austrian nor the german citizenship. best, lizvlx >Hey Hans, > >Heard you on CNN. I have to say that you sound like every Austrian- >German that I've ever met. A liar and coward. > >I can't wait for the next step against your scam operation. > >You seem to forget that your messing with a sleeping giant. HA!. Do >you really think that the U.S. will let some Nazi mess with American >elections? Think again Hans. They already got you...the rest is just >a matter of time. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:49:58 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 4725 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 14:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 14:51:50 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:51:36 +0200 To: "Stinchfield, Grant (NBC)" From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 234 >I am doing a story on VOTEAUCTION.COM. Can you please contact me to confirm >the site is still up and running. dear grant please note our new domain and re-design: http://www.vote-auction.com press.release attached: for further Qs and interviews pls mailme or call +43 676 930 00 61 or +49 175 20 669 54 best regards hans bernhard ubermorgen.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:02 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 4485 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 14:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 14:32:14 -0000 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:32:00 +0200 To: RTMark admin From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: URGENT Cc: moni@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 235 >wow! you are too amazing.... well, if there's money for it, i guess why >not.... we did find ok tickets, they are actrually only $150 each or so, >and there will be three of us going, one for camera, one mr. bichlbauer's >assistant, and mr. bichlbauer himself. the day is friday, 11am. not sure >the address.... do you know that? >wheeeeeee! >ray very cool! book em flights.. we/i pay the usd 225.-- [= 50% air faire], so you go there!? do it! hard! hans ps: moni, could you please find out the venue/address of the lecture in salzburg and confirm date and time to ray admin@rtmark.com again, THANKX! > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >> >yes, please--actually, it may be worse than we think for getting to >>>salzburg, might cost $800 - person or something, so we might either ask >>>hans to do it (we can write the text, word-for-word or at least >>>guidelines, and send a powerpoint presentation to use), or something like >>>that.... ugh.... ok, more soon, and THANKS millions again.... >>>r >> >>ey ray, fly in! ubermorgen.com will pay >>50% of the flight alright![have to quickly >>cross-check this with liz, but i think its >>worth it!!], sponsored action by ubermorgen.com >>and vote-auction.com >> >>i am still in berlin, what is the lecture >>day of mr. bichlbauer now? pls let me know.. >> >>greetZ >>hans >> >> >> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>>On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, [V]ote-auction.com PR wrote: >>> >>>> thanks for the info. >>>> i dont have much input at this time really, >>>> execpt that it would be cool it dr bichlbauer >>>> woould speak positively about vote-auction.com. >>>> >>>> and i will ask moni if she want to help you >>>> out in salzburg... >>>> >>>> hans is coming back fro london tonite, i gguess >>>> we will talk about salzburg and vote-auction >>>> and send you some maill tomorrow. >>>> >>>> best >>>> lizvlx >>>> >>>> >pretty much--we're working on it, anyhow. will end up with voteauction. >>>> >will let you know more in a minute, okay? remind me, write back if you >>>> >want more info, have to run. and if you have any suggestions, >>>>please send! >>>> > >>>> >one more thing--we'd love to have a third person who could run >>>>the camera, >>>> >so that frank and i could both speak (one of us to be the >>>>assistant to jog >>>> >dr. bichlbauer's memory). so if anyone wnats to go to salzburg >>>>to run the >>>> >camera forthe event, friday day, we'll gladly pay the trainfare and >>>> >lunch................ >>>> > >>>> >wheeeeeee! >>>> >xox >>>> >r >>>> > >>>> >http://rtmark.com/ >>>> >Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> > >>>> >On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Vote-auction PR wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> do you already know what you are gonna do in salzburg? >>>> >> i mean content wise. >>>> >> lizvlx >>>> >> >>>> >> >NICE!!!!! >>>> >> > >>>> >> >http://rtmark.com/ >>>> >> >Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 pr@vote-auction.com wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Vote-auction.com back online >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Berlin, October 22, 2000 >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com >>>> >> >> [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant >>>> >> >> information on the latest developments of the site and the >>>> >> >> people and users behind it. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> You can also find this press release at >>>> >> >> http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> For any further information feel free to contact >>>> >> >> pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com >>>> >> >> has regained access to the web via its new domain >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> http://www.vote-auction.com >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has >>>> >> >> been passed concerning the website which explores the >>>> >> >> high-risk consumer markets of the American election >>>> >> >> industry. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> The site's original domain had been ordered shut down >>>> >> >> by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois >>>> >> >> earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took >>>> >> >> their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost >>>> >> >> everybody related to the existence of the website, the >>>> >> >> owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy >>> > >> >> paper for version 2.0 of the project. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every >>>> >> >> effort to get the site out of service during the last >>>> >> >> 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, >>>> >> >> James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans >>>> >> >> Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest >>>> >> >> to sue: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where >>>> >> >> the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. >>>> >> >> It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as >>>> >> >> well as of one of the top technical staff are also named >>>> >> >> defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is >>>> >> >> vote-auction.com's internet access provider. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> [V] (Il)legal Battle? >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> It remains open for discussion how it should be possible >>>> >> >> that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider >>>> >> >> could ever be responsible for contents accessible via >>>> > > >> domains they are providing routing services for. >>>> >> >> Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total >>>> >> >> violation of standards set by ICANN. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's >>>> >> >> name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of >>>> >> >> repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to >>>> >> >> work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- >>>> >> >> bank being involved in the legal case, the provider >>>> >> >> "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them >>>> >> >> with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. >>>> >> >> Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we >>>> >> >> asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain >>>> >> >> to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by >>>> >> >> domainbank, as they had at that time already made >>>> >> >> a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the >>>> >> >> domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- >>>> >> >> bank's executives. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide >>>> >> >> you with a clear statement from their president: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. >>>> >> >> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing >>>> >> >> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very >>>> >> >> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com >>>> >> > > in russia and japan." >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their >>>> >> >> support in various emails. This is another reason why >>>> >> >> we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. >>>> >> >> legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com >>>> >> >> works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on >>>> >> >> protecting any data which has been submitted to us by >>>> >> >> trusting users. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to >>>> >> >> user rights. The court has ordered all data of users >>>> >> >> registered with the site to be disclosed to the >>>> >> >> authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in >>>> >> >> Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually >>>> >> >> for so-called "voter fraud". >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> [V] Where to go from here >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services >>>> >> >> to the vital elections markets. We will keep on >>>> >> >> focusing on the American elections until mid-November >>>> >> >> this year. In the meantime we will also finish our >>>> >> >> redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready >>>> >> >> for upcoming elections worldwide. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> For the Vote-auction.com team: >>> > >> >> >>>> >> >> lizvlx >>>> >> >> [V]ote-auction.com >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via >>>> >> >> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> pr@vote-auction.com >>>> >> >> http://www.vote-auction.com >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> We will not be able to receive messages sent to the >>>> >> >> old address. 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:03 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 4412 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 14:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 14:27:57 -0000 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:27:44 +0200 To: Oskar Obereder From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: hoi, > >michael pilz ++43 1 4060551 28, > >cooler anwalt, denke er konnte sich vote-auction interressieren. >der SIL anwalt, ist damit leicht ueberfordert. > >cu o. hi o thx for support!!! thx for lawyr contact.. werd ihn anrufen dir gute zeit in paki. hoffe wir bald squash/ badmington togehter; co-lo ci geht heute/morgen an boris/andreas.. greetz hans ps: heute abend, CNN live interview.. 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:03 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 4335 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 14:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 14:21:16 -0000 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:21:04 +0200 To: liz@ubermorgen.com From: net_CALLBOY Subject: , Bayonets in the Sand Cc: admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 237 a beauty! blood and ground stuff...hehehe.. directly imported from the US fyenjoyment.. h_e >Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >From: Chevy59Tom@aol.com >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:56:09 EDT >Subject: Bayonets in the Sand >To: hans@ubermorgen.com > >Dear Vote Auction creator, > >Soldiers on the beaches of Normandy may have died so that you would have the >opportunity, the freedom, to create such an animal as voteauction.com. >What you have done is: subverted the very system which gave you a right to >express yourself. > >I knew some of those men. They didn't die so the American system of >government (free elections) could be undermined by profiteers, poaching, >prostituting the weak. > >My neighbor went ashore in 1944 at night to set up communication lines, >buried in the sand for the morning assault. He risked his life so you could >whore yourself. How proud are you of that ? > American blood carrying your perversions on our system. I'm not going >to threaten you, I'm just going to beat you, somehow, with the help of God, >the faith of a sling and a rock against Goliath, somehow, I will beat you and >destroy your idea, your trash. > If General Patton were alive today, he'd be kicking your butt with the >same one he wore to kick Hitler. > I hereby condemn your efforts and wish that your prurient, misguided >deeds wind up in Hell with Hitler and the rest who have tried to destroy the >American system of freedom. > The bayonets in the sand were to find land mines, in the dark. -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:04 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 4036 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 14:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 14:03:55 -0000 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:03:42 +0200 To: RTMark admin From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 238 >FYI: that's a reporter for details, writing a feature on rtmark for the >december or so issue, looking for something active to cover.... figured >xxxxxxxxxx would be perfect as the kind of thing, and it will be far >enough into the future... feel free to tell him that you don't want to >talk, we'll cancel the subject and he'll write about something else, but >it seems great.... > >and the only exaggeration is that some rtmark funding came through... >quite a stretch but oh well... ok, thx for contact.. btw, you want us to feature RTMark.com as investor? we can/i would like to/ do that, no pro.. etoy is also investing into this project, heheheh.. although mister zai is sending out emails to journalists, claiming that i am a fired unimportant ex-employee of etoy, doing low-quality projects.. hehehe.. what a nasty thing to do, isnt it? heheheh again.. no, tell me how much you wanna be related.. in some cases it might be good to feature RTMark.com in return on the support of the project! if you want that.. we all want publicity, dont we, hehehe.. tonite, we have live CNN interview on air/TV, they are very much interested in the legal stuff.. we will talk to them.. greetz hans -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:06 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 3802 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 13:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 13:47:47 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <27C9F5C2F2DFD311839A00A0C9EDA7DF72C0DD@NS0.arkspace.com> References: <27C9F5C2F2DFD311839A00A0C9EDA7DF72C0DD@NS0.arkspace.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:47:34 +0200 To: Jack Kennedy From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: voteauction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 239 >Hello Mr. Barnhard dear jack sorry this delay. attached you find our latest press.release, this should answer most of your Qs. thx for your interest in vote-auction.com best regards hans ubermorgen.com http://www.vote-auction.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >I have been researching news stories about voteauction.com, and all of them >indicate that your site is still up and running. But when I try to go there, >I see that it is not available. >Can you please take a few minutes and tell me briefly what has happened to >the site? Did the authorities shut it down, or did you decide perhaps that >it wasn't a good idea? >Thanks, >Jack -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:08 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 3651 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 13:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 13:39:56 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F0281E.657F19C1@net-business.de> References: <39F0281E.657F19C1@net-business.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:39:42 +0200 To: aschnake@net-business.de From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 240 >Sehr heehrter Herr Bernhard, HI ANJA sorry so late. aus juristischen gruenden war ich in den letzten tagen nicht fuer presse-interviews verfuegbar. anbei unser letzter press.release, bei weiteren konkreten fragen bitte eine email oder tel. +43 676 930 00 61 or +49 175 20 669 54 gruesse hans bernhard ubermorgen.com http://www.vote-auction.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >ich bin Journalistin bei der Zeitung Net-Business (Sie erinnern sich >vielleicht?) und versuche seit einiger Zeit erfolglos, Sie zu erreichen. > >Bitte rufen Sie mich doch kurz an - ich rufe dann zurück. >Ich hätte da ein paar kurze Fragen. > >Nämlich : >Gehört Ihnen die Seite "voteauction.com" eigentlich? >Woher kommt sie? >Wer hat sie jetzt geschlossen und warum? >Ist das ganze nicht Satire? > >Ich wäre Ihnen auch für eine kurze Antwort-Mail sehr dankbar. > >Herzliche Grüße > >Anja Schnake > >Redaktion Net-Business, Hamburg >Tel: 0049 40 4131-3936 >E-Mail: aschnake@net-business.de -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:09 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 3453 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 13:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 13:21:31 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:21:15 +0200 To: patrick.hurst@ananova.com From: ubermorgen Subject: re: vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 241 dear patrick sorry our massive delay, we had some legal stuff to clear before any press could be done. therefore please find attached our latest press.release and please do not hesitate to contact us via phone/email if you have further Qs;: +43 676 930 00 61 or +49 175 20 669 54 best regards hans bernhard ubermorgen.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:11 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 3330 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 13:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 13:12:46 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001017144612.00ee8174@pop.igc.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20001017093042.00e2bb08@pop.igc.org> <3.0.3.32.20001017093042.00e2bb08@pop.igc.org> <3.0.3.32.20001017144612.00ee8174@pop.igc.org> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:12:29 +0200 To: Joel Rubinstein From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: voteauction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 242 >Dear Hans, hi joel please read our latest press.release. this also to show you why we have been somehow limited in communications over the last 4-5 days. best regards hans bernhard ubermorgen.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >I heard about voteauction.com on Morning Edition, not Rush Limbaugh. >I inspected your site and I am unable to determine if this is an >elaborate hoax or a serious commercial venture, so I am asking you >directly. > >Is this a joke? Are you trying to make a point, or get attention? Or >is this what it claims to be? > >Sincerely, > >Joel Rubinstein >San Francisco CA USA >Editor, Bay Area Results News > >At 11:33 PM 10/17/00 +0200, ubermorgen wrote: >>>Dear Luzius Bernhard, >>> >>>Is this a joke? Are you trying to make a point, or get attention? Or >>>is this what it claims to be? >> >>dear joel >> >>Not 5 minutes ago Rush Limbaugh mentioned voteauction.com >>on his radio show. 10/17/00 1:28 p.m. CDT >> >>are you a journalist? >>if yes, please send your Qs to pr@voteauction.com >> >>best regards >> >>hans >>ubermorgen.com >> >> >>>Joel Rubinstein >>>San Francisco >>>USA -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:12 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 3282 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 13:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 13:08:25 -0000 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.1.20001020075632.03574910@mail.ecis.com> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20001020075632.03574910@mail.ecis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:08:08 +0200 To: "A.Lizard" From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: on voteauction.com being taken down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 243 >>Domain Bank, an accredited domain name registrar in Bethlehem, Pa., that >>registered the site, has taken steps to place the domain name on hold, in >>response to a request from the California secretary of state. The address >>can no longer be accessed on the East Coast and should disappear completely >>from the Net in the next couple of days, a Domain Bank spokesman said. > >I suggest you get a new domain name in ANY domain but the US (watch >out on the pacific island domains like .to and .nu, most of those >domain name servers are hosted in the USA) ... a country that >doesn't like the USA might be in order. Or find out if Sealand is >running yet. hi a.l thx for the tip, please read our press.release and visit http://www.vote-auction.com yourZ truly hans bernhard FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >A.Lizard >************************************************************************ >Personal Web site http://www.ecis.com/~alizard >Disaster prep info: http://www.ecis.com/~alizard/y2k.html >Littleton Killings: http://www.ecis.com/~alizard/littleto.html >backup address (if ALL else fails) alizard@onebox.com >IF YOU USE PGP, UPGRADE NOW! 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:13 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 3090 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 12:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 12:51:37 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001020164557.00a4b7c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <4.2.0.58.20001020164557.00a4b7c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:51:15 +0200 To: Thom Wysong From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: VoteAuction.com -- Still Accessible? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 244 >I see that the VoteAuction.com domain name has been removed from the >main DNS servers in the US and is no longer accessible using the >traditional type-the-domain-name-into-the-browser method. Is the >VoteAuction.com website still accessible using a direct IP address? >If so, what is it? hi thom please find attached our latest press.release. voteauction.com is newly designed and freshly launched under: http://www.vote-auction.com you probably have this already, anyway... best regards hans ubermorgen.com ps: nize! article you have been writing! check this one too: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39590,00.html FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:14 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 2819 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 12:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 12:27:50 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001020181556.10841.qmail@web1204.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20001020181556.10841.qmail@web1204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:27:35 +0200 To: Jon Bloom From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: voteauction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 245 >Hello Mr. Bernhard, dear jon attached the latest press.release. for forther As on your Qs, please let me know for which magazine/publication you write and give me their phone-number, so i can quickly verify this; thx! best regards hans bernhard FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >I am writing an article on voteauction and I would >like to include your point of view. It is probably >easiest to answer questions by e-mail, so here they >are. >If you would like to contact me, please call >(617)583-1335 during work hours and (617) 661-4846 >during evenings. > >1. Do you feel that Domain Bank was acting within the >law to shut down voteauction.com? > >2. Why didn't you defend the site in the Chicago >courts? > >3. What are your plans now? Will you fight to get the >site back on the web? > >4. What will happen to votes that were already sold? > >5. Do you understand why people would view the site as >a violation of the democratic process? > >6. What was your aim for the site? > >7. Do you acknowledge that voteauction was illegal? > >Thank you for your time. >Jon Bloom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:16 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 2794 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 12:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 12:25:05 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:24:51 +0200 To: "Dennis Chaptman" From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Seeking comment on voteauction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 246 >Sir, dear dennis thx for your interest in vote-auction.com. attached you will find the lastest press. release that should answer various Qs, feel free to contact me via phone for an interview +43 676 930 00 61 or +49 175 20 669 54 best regards hans bernhard ubermorgen.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >I am a reporter with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in Wisconsin and >am seeking your comment about criticisms directed at voteauction.com >by state legal and election officials in the US. I understand you >are the Hans Bernhard who is behind the venture. Is this true? I am >also interested in hearing about the details of the operation, what >you think the future is for this venture, and whether or not it is >still online. > >Could you contact me as soon as possible, by phone or email? > >Dennis Chaptman >Statehouse reporter >Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Madison Bureau >608-258-2262 (voice) >608-258-2260 (fax) -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:17 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 2759 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 12:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 12:21:36 -0000 X-Sender: @mail.etxtreme.ru (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <028001c03ab7$ae77b200$42141cac@info02.redacao.folhasp.com.br> References: <028001c03ab7$ae77b200$42141cac@info02.redacao.folhasp.com.br> X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:21:23 +0200 To: "Bruno Garattoni- Folha de S. Paulo" From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: (URGENT) PRESS REQUEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 247 >Att. Mr Hans Bernhard >copy: Mr James Baumgarter dear bruno sorry for the delay, i was on a business-trip and not able to properly process your request. if you are still in research and preparation of the article, or you are interested in further developments, please feel free to give me a call under the following numbers in order to do a phone interview: +43 676 930 00 61 or +49 175 20 669 54 best regards hans >Dear Hans, >My name is Bruno Garattoni and I work for Folha de S. Paulo, Brazil's >largest newspaper. I am writing a story about Voteauction.com and I would >like you to comment on the preliminary injunction obtained by the Chicago >Board of Elections. >I've been trying to reach you during the last few days. >Could you call me today? (+55 11 224 3791) >Also, I'll keep checking my messages during the weekend, so feel free to >email me your remarks if that's easier. > >Thank you, >Bruno S. Garattoni >Folha de S. Paulo- computers section >Sao Paulo, Brazil -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:19 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 2582 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 12:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 12:11:26 -0000 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:11:11 +0200 To: RTMark admin From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: URGENT Cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, moni@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 248 >yes, please--actually, it may be worse than we think for getting to >salzburg, might cost $800 - person or something, so we might either ask >hans to do it (we can write the text, word-for-word or at least >guidelines, and send a powerpoint presentation to use), or something like >that.... ugh.... ok, more soon, and THANKS millions again.... >r ey ray, fly in! ubermorgen.com will pay 50% of the flight alright![have to quickly cross-check this with liz, but i think its worth it!!], sponsored action by ubermorgen.com and vote-auction.com i am still in berlin, what is the lecture day of mr. bichlbauer now? pls let me know.. greetZ hans >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, [V]ote-auction.com PR wrote: > >>thanks for the info. >>i dont have much input at this time really, >>execpt that it would be cool it dr bichlbauer >>woould speak positively about vote-auction.com. >> >>and i will ask moni if she want to help you >>out in salzburg... >> >>hans is coming back fro london tonite, i gguess >>we will talk about salzburg and vote-auction >>and send you some maill tomorrow. >> >>best >>lizvlx >> >>>pretty much--we're working on it, anyhow. will end up with voteauction. >>>will let you know more in a minute, okay? remind me, write back if you >>>want more info, have to run. and if you have any suggestions, please send! >>> >>>one more thing--we'd love to have a third person who could run the camera, >>>so that frank and i could both speak (one of us to be the assistant to jog >>>dr. bichlbauer's memory). so if anyone wnats to go to salzburg to run the >>>camera forthe event, friday day, we'll gladly pay the trainfare and >>>lunch................ >>> >>>wheeeeeee! >>>xox >>>r >>> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>>On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Vote-auction PR wrote: >>> >>>> do you already know what you are gonna do in salzburg? >>>> i mean content wise. >>>> lizvlx >>>> >>>> >NICE!!!!! >>>> > >>>> >http://rtmark.com/ >>>> >Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> > >>>> >On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 pr@vote-auction.com wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>> >> >>>> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> >>>> >> Vote-auction.com back online >>>> >> >>>> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> >>>> >> Berlin, October 22, 2000 >>>> >> >>>> >> Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com >>>> >> [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant >>>> >> information on the latest developments of the site and the >>>> >> people and users behind it. >>>> >> >>>> >> You can also find this press release at >>>> >> http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm >>>> >> >>>> >> For any further information feel free to contact >>>> >> pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com >>>> >> >>>> >> The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com >>>> >> has regained access to the web via its new domain >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.vote-auction.com >>>> >> >>>> >> During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has >>>> >> been passed concerning the website which explores the >>>> >> high-risk consumer markets of the American election >>>> >> industry. >>>> >> >>>> >> The site's original domain had been ordered shut down >>>> >> by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois >>>> >> earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took >>>> >> their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost >>>> >> everybody related to the existence of the website, the >>>> >> owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy > > >> >> paper for version 2.0 of the project. >> >> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... >>>> >> >>>> >> The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every >>>> >> effort to get the site out of service during the last >>>> >> 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, >>>> >> James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans >>>> >> Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest >>>> >> to sue: >>>> >> >>>> >> . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where >>>> >> the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. >>>> >> It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. >>>> >> >> >> . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as >>>> >> well as of one of the top technical staff are also named >>>> >> defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is >>>> >> vote-auction.com's internet access provider. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> [V] (Il)legal Battle? >>>> >> >>>> >> It remains open for discussion how it should be possible >>>> >> that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider >>>> >> could ever be responsible for contents accessible via >>> > >> domains they are providing routing services for. >>>> >> Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total >>>> >> violation of standards set by ICANN. >>>> >> >>>> >> We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's >>>> >> name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of >>>> >> repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. >>>> >> >>>> >> Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to >>>> >> work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- >>>> >> bank being involved in the legal case, the provider >>>> >> "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them >>>> >> with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. >>>> >> Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we >>>> >> asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain >>>> >> to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by >>>> >> domainbank, as they had at that time already made >>>> >> a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the >>>> >> domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- >>>> >> bank's executives. >>>> >> >>>> >> Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide >>>> >> you with a clear statement from their president: >>>> >> >>>> >> "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. >>>> >> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing >>>> >> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very >>>> >> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com >>>> > > in russia and japan." >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression >>>> >> >>>> >> Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their >>>> >> support in various emails. This is another reason why >>>> >> we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. >>>> >> legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com >>>> >> works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on >>>> >> protecting any data which has been submitted to us by >>>> >> trusting users. >>>> >> >>>> >> Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to >>>> >> user rights. The court has ordered all data of users >>>> >> registered with the site to be disclosed to the >>>> >> authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in >>>> >> Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually >>>> >> for so-called "voter fraud". >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> [V] Where to go from here >>>> >> >>>> >> Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services >>>> >> to the vital elections markets. We will keep on >>>> >> focusing on the American elections until mid-November >>>> >> this year. In the meantime we will also finish our >>>> >> redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready >>>> >> for upcoming elections worldwide. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> For the Vote-auction.com team: > > >> >> >> >> >> lizvlx >>>> >> [V]ote-auction.com >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via >>>> >> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >>>> >> >>>> >> pr@vote-auction.com >>>> >> http://www.vote-auction.com >>>> >> >>>> >> We will not be able to receive messages sent to the >>>> >> old address. Thank you. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >>>> >> [] [] >>>> >> [] [V]ote-auction.com [] >>>> >> [] [] >>>> >> [] pr@vote-auction.com [] >>>> >> [] [] >>>> >> [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] >>>> >> [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] >>>> >> [] [] >>>> >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com >>>> >> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> . . 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:21 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 2257 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 11:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 11:36:59 -0000 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F4E346.EEBDF626@home.com> References: <39F4E346.EEBDF626@home.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:36:44 +0200 To: Hans Sandberg From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: Game over? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 249 >Hi Hans, > >Who turned out the light? I tried to log on to Voteauction.com, but got the >"Unknown Host" message. >Did the Domainbank drop you? What's next? Game over? hi hans no, just check our new launched vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com with new and fresh re-design to improve the comfort of the platform. more legal details later.. if you have special Qs, please mailme, all other Qs should be answered by press.release,,. did you get the press.release? if not, pls find it attached... and a very interesting wirednews article, hehehe.. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39590,00.html greets hans FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:23 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 2214 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 11:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?212.84.244.173?) (212.84.244.173) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 11:30:36 -0000 X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2739.972033785@www14.gmx.net> References: <2739.972033785@www14.gmx.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:30:20 +0200 To: Gesine Wulf From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: ?everything ok? Cc: liz@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 250 >Servus Liz und Hans, >wollte sowieso noch danken für das Interview, und fragen, wie ich Hans >eigentlich titulieren soll: Investor? Besitzer? Betreiber? CEO? von vote ... hi gesine! back in berlin.. war in london/hull fuer einen vortrag, vote-auction.com und related stuff.. nenn das doch "investor", und zudem bin ich CEO von ubermorgen.com >Aber habe gerade gesehen, die Adresse ist down, so: WAS IST DAS? Wann seid Ihr >wieder online? Neue Probleme? Der Geheimdienst in Berlin? Bin leicht >beunruhigt, und hoffe dringend, dass es keinen Gund dazu gibt. Sondern haste den press.release erhalten? wir sind back online unter http://www.vote-auction.com mit full-feature re-design... die legal battle hat erst richtig begonnen.. more later.. >Ihr munter >und realxed seid und die Geschichte auch noch nicht vorbei. Wenn Du das noch >bestätigen könntest und ich weiß, wann die Seite wieder auf dem Bildschrim >ist, wäre das nur gut. Tel: 29381214 >es lebe die eRevolution, yes, stay strong, keep on walking and "lovers never loose!" wenn du noch fragen hast, pls call me +43 676 930 00 61 oder lizvlx unter +49 175 20 669 54 hans >Gesine >lizard -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:24 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <73.7e6bfad.2725ac14@aol.com> References: <73.7e6bfad.2725ac14@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:09:24 +0200 To: SImparl@aol.com From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: one other thing about voteauction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 251 i need to scan it first - i only have a fax copy from silverserver, as we never received anything personally. i will try and send it to you tomorrow. if i forget, pl remind me! thanks lizvlx >In a message dated 10/23/2000 9:37:08 AM Central Daylight Time, >pr@vote-auction.com writes: > >> yup, thanks...! >>Ê >> >Welcome back online! > >Do you have a copy of the Illinois court order that you can send to me? > >Thanks, > >Steve Imparl From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:24 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:02:19 +0200 To: ubermoni From: lizvlx Subject: Re: nice article Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 252 >:: patentamt post ist jetzt im office kannst du oeffen und sagen was drinnen ist bitte? >:: saldenliste von mag. weiss eingetroffen ok, wenns nicht in einem ordner ist, dann bitte in einen geben. >please instructions: > >:: rechnung, kv - copyright >-> hab mit achim kurz telefoniert - duerften > wohl auch mit artportal so ihre problemchen > zwecks bezahlung haben da werden wir uns mit herrn hartinger zusammentun muessen. aber wenn du mir mal die tel. des herrn ... wer auch immer da zustaendig ist rausfinden koenntest, dann ruf ich den amal an. das ist der griebaumer, ahja. >-> wir sollten wohl auch die rechnungen an > herrn griebaumer, rechte bahngasse 30-32 > schicken hast du das von fr. deuchler schriftlich dass wir die rechnungen auch an andere adressen schicken sollen? wenn nein, bitte sie zu einer schriftlichan anweisung. >:: meeting graebner - wollte bis morgen > feedback zwecks meeting >-> welches date ?? date - ich denke muss so um den 31. sein - aber koennen wir das m,orgen frueh machen, wenn hans wieder da ist, ist besser. > >:: fr. deuchler wollte sich ja morgen melden >-> what to do ? siehe oben. administratives mit artportal ab sofort nur noch schriftlich. >:: bezueglich reminder "another tuesday party" >-> mittwoch war als reminder tag gedacht ok. >:: wto event >-> habt ihr noch weitere news? unterbringung > fuer mark? das scheint ok zu sein, bzw. ich frag ihn noch und bring sie sonst bei meiner mutter unter oder so. sie fragn ob noch jemand nach szbg kommen koennte um zu filmen - ich hab gesagt ich frag mal dich - aber warten wir auuch auf hans, vielleicht will der ja eh nach szbg fahren. > >beste gruesse aus vienna > >bis gleich > >moni >-- >. . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . .mob +43-676-6148108. . . .ema moni@ubermorgen.com. . >. . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 92010402 . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:26 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:56:43 +0200 To: RTMark admin From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" Subject: Re: Vote-auction.com back online Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 253 thanks for the info. i dont have much input at this time really, execpt that it would be cool it dr bichlbauer woould speak positively about vote-auction.com. and i will ask moni if she want to help you out in salzburg... hans is coming back fro london tonite, i gguess we will talk about salzburg and vote-auction and send you some maill tomorrow. best lizvlx >pretty much--we're working on it, anyhow. will end up with voteauction. >will let you know more in a minute, okay? remind me, write back if you >want more info, have to run. and if you have any suggestions, please send! > >one more thing--we'd love to have a third person who could run the camera, >so that frank and i could both speak (one of us to be the assistant to jog >dr. bichlbauer's memory). so if anyone wnats to go to salzburg to run the >camera forthe event, friday day, we'll gladly pay the trainfare and >lunch................ > >wheeeeeee! >xox >r > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Vote-auction PR wrote: > >> do you already know what you are gonna do in salzburg? >> i mean content wise. >> lizvlx >> >> >NICE!!!!! >> > >> >http://rtmark.com/ >> >Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> > >> >On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 pr@vote-auction.com wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Vote-auction.com back online >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Berlin, October 22, 2000 >> >> >> >> Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com >> >> [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant >> >> information on the latest developments of the site and the >> >> people and users behind it. >> >> >> >> You can also find this press release at >> >> http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm >> >> >> >> For any further information feel free to contact >> >> pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com >> >> >> >> The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com >> >> has regained access to the web via its new domain >> >> >> >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> >> >> >> During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has >> >> been passed concerning the website which explores the >> >> high-risk consumer markets of the American election >> >> industry. >> >> >> >> The site's original domain had been ordered shut down >> >> by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois >> >> earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took >> >> their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost >> >> everybody related to the existence of the website, the >> >> owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy >> >> paper for version 2.0 of the project. >> >>Ê >> >> >> >> [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... >> >> >> >> The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every >> >> effort to get the site out of service during the last >> >> 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, >> >> James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans >> >> Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest >> >> to sue: >> >> >> >> . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where >> >> the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. >> >> It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. >> >>ÊÊ >> >> . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as >> >> well as of one of the top technical staff are also named >> >> defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is >> >> vote-auction.com's internet access provider. >> >> >> >> >> >> [V] (Il)legal Battle? >> >> >> >> It remains open for discussion how it should be possible >> >> that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider >> >> could ever be responsible for contents accessible via > > >> domains they are providing routing services for. >> >> Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total >> >> violation of standards set by ICANN. >> >> >> >> We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's >> >> name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of >> >> repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. >> >> >> >> Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to >> >> work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- >> >> bank being involved in the legal case, the provider >> >> "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them >> >> with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. >> >> Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we >> >> asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain >> >> to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by >> >> domainbank, as they had at that time already made >> >> a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the >> >> domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- >> >> bank's executives. >> >> >> >> Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide >> >> you with a clear statement from their president: >> >> >> >> "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. >> >> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing >> >> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very >> >> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com >> > > in russia and japan." >> >> >> >> >> >> [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression >> >> >> >> Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their >> >> support in various emails. This is another reason why >> >> we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. >> >> legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com >> >> works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on >> >> protecting any data which has been submitted to us by >> >> trusting users. >> >> >> >> Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to >> >> user rights. The court has ordered all data of users >> >> registered with the site to be disclosed to the >> >> authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in >> >> Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually >> >> for so-called "voter fraud". >> >> >> >> >> >> [V] Where to go from here >> >> >> >> Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services >> >> to the vital elections markets. We will keep on >> >> focusing on the American elections until mid-November >> >> this year. In the meantime we will also finish our >> >> redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready >> >> for upcoming elections worldwide. >> >> >> >> >> >> For the Vote-auction.com team: >> >> >> >> lizvlx >> >> [V]ote-auction.com >> >> >> >> >> >> PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via >> >> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >> >> >> >> pr@vote-auction.com >> >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> >> >> >> We will not be able to receive messages sent to the >> >> old address. Thank you. >> >> >> >> >> >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >> [] [] >> >> [] [V]ote-auction.com [] >> >> [] [] >> >> [] pr@vote-auction.com [] >> >> [] [] >> >> [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] >> >> [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] >> >> [] [] >> >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> >> This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com >> >> >> >> -- >> . . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:26 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c03ae2$6f0e4540$3cf5b518@roalok1.mi.home.com> References: <000a01c03ae2$6f0e4540$3cf5b518@roalok1.mi.home.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:36:28 +0200 To: "Robert" From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: vote Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 254 thank you for your enquiry - yes, you can still participate. just go to http://www.voteauction.com and sign up. best lizvlx >im still interested in the auction if i can participate, i live in michigan. > >email: bdpriest@yahoo.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:28 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:28:22 +0200 To: RTMark admin From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 255 do you already know what you are gonna do in salzburg? i mean content wise. lizvlx >NICE!!!!! > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 pr@vote-auction.com wrote: > >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Vote-auction.com back online >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Berlin, October 22, 2000 >> >> Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com >> [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant >> information on the latest developments of the site and the >> people and users behind it. >> >> You can also find this press release at >> http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm >> >> For any further information feel free to contact >> pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com >> >> The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com >> has regained access to the web via its new domain >> >> http://www.vote-auction.com >>Ê >> During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has >> been passed concerning the website which explores the >> high-risk consumer markets of the American election >> industry. >>Ê >> The site's original domain had been ordered shut down >> by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois >> earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took >> their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost >> everybody related to the existence of the website, the >> owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy >> paper for version 2.0 of the project. >>ÊÊ >> >> [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... >>Ê >> The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every >> effort to get the site out of service during the last >> 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, >> James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans >> Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest >> to sue: >>Ê >> . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where >> the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. >> It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. >>ÊÊÊ >> . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as >> well as of one of the top technical staff are also named >> defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is >> vote-auction.com's internet access provider. >> >> >> [V] (Il)legal Battle? >> >> It remains open for discussion how it should be possible >> that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider >> could ever be responsible for contents accessible via >> domains they are providing routing services for. >> Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total >> violation of standards set by ICANN. >> >> We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's >> name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of >> repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. >> >> Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to >> work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- >> bank being involved in the legal case, the provider >> "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them >> with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. >> Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we >> asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain >> to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by >> domainbank, as they had at that time already made >> a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the >> domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- >> bank's executives. >>Ê >> Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide >> you with a clear statement from their president: >>Ê >> "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. >> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing >> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very >> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com > > in russia and japan." >> >> >> [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression >> >> Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their >> support in various emails. This is another reason why >>Ê we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. >> legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com >> works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on >> protecting any data which has been submitted to us by >> trusting users. >>Ê >> Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to >> user rights. The court has ordered all data of users >> registered with the site to be disclosed to the >> authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in >> Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually >> for so-called "voter fraud". >>Ê >>Ê >> [V] Where to go from here >> >> Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services >> to the vital elections markets. We will keep on >> focusing on the American elections until mid-November >> this year. In the meantime we will also finish our >> redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready >> for upcoming elections worldwide. >> >>Ê >> For the Vote-auction.com team: >>Ê >> lizvlx >> [V]ote-auction.com >> >> >> PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via >> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >> >> pr@vote-auction.com >> http://www.vote-auction.com >>Ê >> We will not be able to receive messages sent to the >> old address. Thank you. >> >> >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> [] [] >> [] [V]ote-auction.com [] >> [] [] >> [] pr@vote-auction.com [] >> [] [] >> [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] >> [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] >> [] [] >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >>Ê >>Ê >> >>Ê >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com >> From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:29 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <31575925B017D111A14C00805F31E5E8AF8889@CAPMARK2> References: <31575925B017D111A14C00805F31E5E8AF8889@CAPMARK2> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:27:54 +0200 To: James Cane From: Vote-auction PR Subject: RE: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 256 ok. >Please remove my email address from this list. I do not wish to be >associated with amoral scum. > >-----Original Message----- >From: pr@vote-auction.com [mailto:pr@vote-auction.com] >Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 6:57 AM >To: pr@vote-auction.com >Subject: Vote-auction.com back online > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Vote-auction.com back online > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Berlin, October 22, 2000 > > Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com > [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant > information on the latest developments of the site and the > people and users behind it. > > You can also find this press release at > http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm > > For any further information feel free to contact > pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com > > The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com > has regained access to the web via its new domain > > http://www.vote-auction.com > > During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has > been passed concerning the website which explores the > high-risk consumer markets of the American election > industry. > > The site's original domain had been ordered shut down > by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois > earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took > their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost > everybody related to the existence of the website, the > owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy > paper for version 2.0 of the project. > > > [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... > > The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every > effort to get the site out of service during the last > 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, > James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans > Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest > to sue: > > . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where > the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. > It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. > Ê > . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as > well as of one of the top technical staff are also named > defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is > vote-auction.com's internet access provider. > > > [V] (Il)legal Battle? > > It remains open for discussion how it should be possible > that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider > could ever be responsible for contents accessible via > domains they are providing routing services for. > Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total > violation of standards set by ICANN. > > We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's > name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of > repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. > > Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to > work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- > bank being involved in the legal case, the provider > "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them > with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. > Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we > asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain > to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by > domainbank, as they had at that time already made > a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the > domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- > bank's executives. > > Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide > you with a clear statement from their president: > > "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. > SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing > contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very > interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com > in russia and japan." > > > [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression > > Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their > support in various emails. This is another reason why > we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. > legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com > works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on > protecting any data which has been submitted to us by > trusting users. > > Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to > user rights. The court has ordered all data of users > registered with the site to be disclosed to the > authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in > Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually > for so-called "voter fraud". > > > [V] Where to go from here > > Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services > to the vital elections markets. We will keep on > focusing on the American elections until mid-November > this year. In the meantime we will also finish our > redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready > for upcoming elections worldwide. > > > For the Vote-auction.com team: > > lizvlx > [V]ote-auction.com > > > PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via > web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: > > pr@vote-auction.com > http://www.vote-auction.com > > We will not be able to receive messages sent to the > old address. Thank you. > > > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > [] [] > [] [V]ote-auction.com [] > [] [] > [] pr@vote-auction.com [] > [] [] > [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] > [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] > [] [] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:29 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <69.c07fb73.2724450c@aol.com> References: <69.c07fb73.2724450c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:26:27 +0200 To: ZMAN122148@aol.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: an inquiry from a reporter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 257 dear richard, our answers. >Thank you for your press release. I do have some questions, however, >including: > >Is Vote-auction.com set up to allow votes to be bought and sold, as with >Voteauction.com? I've gone to your new site and read the press release, but >I'm not clear on this. no nothing changed there. we are improving our software services at the moment though. that means we will be able to serve not only selling/bidding/donating, but also any other market activity - lease, rent etc. >Are the Vote-auction.com investors also investors in Silver Server, or vice >versa? no. SILVER SERVER is a company of its own. we do not need to own stakes in each other to support each other's ideas and projects. we have had a long partnership history with them. >I don't see the state-by-state chart on the new site. Is that because you >can't lift it from the old site? that is because we are updating software. >Are the owners of Vote-auction.com doing this as a serious business venture >or to make a political statement? business and poilitics can go together, and still make mones. does that answer your question. >Also, if possible, can you please respond with a name, so I can attribute >the information to "spokesman or spokeswoman so-and-so." best lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com if you need anything else, mail or call +49-175-2066954 > >Thanks. >Richard Zitrin >APBnews.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:31 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001022225102.009b2370@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <4.2.0.58.20001022225102.009b2370@pop3.norton.antivirus> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:05:06 +0200 To: Thom Wysong From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: vote-auction.com article & feedback Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 258 dear thom very nice article.. always fun to see that somebody else was also looking at the rebirth of the new site when we were working on it. i did not see any real errors or so... best lizvlx >Earlier today (Sunday) I wrote up an article on your web site. I >believe the article is factually correct. However, if you find any >errors in it, please let me know so that I can correct them. The >article is at ... >http://technodemocracy.org/people/tgw/docs/voteauction-whackamole.html > >Thank you. > >-Thom Wysong From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:31 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:03:45 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com, moni@ubermorgen.com, o@sil.at, aaron@lo-res.org From: lizvlx Subject: nice article Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 259 dears read below this really nice article... best lizvlx http://technodemocracy.org/people/tgw/docs/voteauction-whackamole.html VoteAuction.com & The Whack-A-Mole Defense By Thom Wysong 7:00 AM EDT, 22 October 2000 Only a day ago some were declaring that VoteAuction.com was dead. It's not so. It never was. Earlier this year the web site stirred up controversy when the site, and the New York based graduate student who created it, first came to the public's attention. When New York authorities threatened legal action, the web site was temporarily shut down. Ownership of the site was transferred to an Austrian entrepreneur who promptly re-opened the web site running on a server in Bulgaria - out of the reach of American authorities. Or, so it seemed. The weak link in their plan was that Domain Bank, the company that controlled their DNS entry, was based in the State of Pennsylvania. Last week, the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners took advantage of this weak link and obtained a court order forcing the US based company to remove VoteAuction.com from their Domain Name System (DNS). This action rendered the site unreachable by most people. But it did not shut the web site down, as was erroneously reported. For those not familiar with DNS, this is analogous to someone's name being removed from the telephone directory - their telephone is still hooked up, but people can no longer look that person's name up in the directory. To call that person you need to find the phone number from some other source, or simply remember what it was. But, you can still call the person. With the VoteAuction.com site, the same was true. In other words, even after the DNS entry had been deleted, the original VoteAuction.com website was still accessible from the Internet by those who knew how to find the website's "phone number" (its IP address) using such tools as a WHOIS search and a DNS lookup. However, to see what's posted on the website it's no longer necessary to track down its IP address. A few days ago, on 18 October 2000, the people behind VoteAuction.com registered a new domain name - apparently as a backup for the one they realized might get removed from DNS. The new domain name is simply Vote-Auction.com. All they did was add a hyphen. However, this time they didn't make the same mistake with their DNS company. On this second go 'round they registered with a division of CSL GmbH, based in Germany, which supplies domain names in cooperation with CORE, based in Switzerland. With the web site now administered from Austria, served from Bulgaria, and registered in Germany and Switzerland, it appears that this new Vote-Auction.com site will be much more resistant to the US legal system than its predecessor was. One thing that was interesting about the old VoteAuction.com web site was that, even though its DNS entry had been deleted, the web site itself remained reachable on Friday and Saturday by those who had the technical expertise to do so. However, in place of the regular web site, visitors were greeted with a message stating "URGENT NOTICE TO ALL VOTE-AUCTIONEERS: vote-auction.com services had been temporarily offline". And below this text was a graphic image showing part of the Temporary Restraining Order from the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners and the Illinois court. This alternate content was present on the original VoteAuction.com web site and the new Vote-Auction.com web site for at least part of Friday and most of Saturday. Then, first thing Sunday morning, the new Vote-Auction.com site began displaying the data from the original web site and a new press release explaining the events of the past week from Vote-Auction.com's perspective. One thing that is noticeable about the revived site is that it appears to be listing information for both the State of New York and the State of Illinois. The information from New York had previously been removed after state officials had threatened legal action. And, it could reasonably be assumed that information for Illinois would have also been removed as a response to last week's court order. However, since information for both states seem to be listed, and it appears new entries can be created for both buying and selling votes in these states, the site's operators seem to be signaling they believe they are safely out-of-reach of US officials. Another thing that is interesting about the new Vote-Auction.com web site is that it was up and running on Friday - the same day the original domain name was shut down. In other words, the web site got shut down in one place and popped up somewhere else. On the Internet, this has become known as the "whack-a-mole" technique - named after a popular arcade game. With the game, a little plastic critter pops up from one hole in a grid of holes, the player "whacks" it down into its hole with a rubber mallet, and the critter instantly pops back up from a different hole. Every time the mole is whacked down, it pops up somewhere else. Whack-A-Mole is used as a defense strategy on the Internet when some entity attempts to suppress information it considers illegal or unethical, but which others consider to be legitimate. When one source of the information is shut down, one or more copies of it appear elsewhere - almost instantaneously. The more valuable the information is believed to be, the more vigorously this technique is applied. With the arcade game, there is a linear correlation between the moles going down and the moles popping up - one mole pops up for every mole hit down. However, on the Internet, there is potentially an exponential correlation - many "moles" can pop up for every "mole" hit down. A paper entitled Whack-A-Mole In Action ( http://technodemocracy.org/people/tgw/docs/whackamole.html ) offers a number of quotes and links on the technique as it has been used to propagate a computer program known as DeCSS, which can read DVD disks without a DVD player. There is a difference between DeCSS and VoteAuction.com in that one is static information that can be copied and the other is an active web site. However, the technique has been applied in both cases. As for the new Vote-Auction.com, there are reports that it not only intends to continue trafficking in US votes, but that it also may be expanding to the UK, Germany, Russia, Japan, and worldwide. Whether or not they will succeed remains to be seen. My guess is they won't. There are just too many ways to defeat such a mechanism as a vote auction. And, the best ways have nothing to do with restraining orders. But I'll leave that topic for another day. Thanks goes to Adi Fairbank for providing assistance in sleuthing out the old VoteAuction.com site after its DNS entry was deleted. © Copyright 2000 by Thom G. Wysong From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:32 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <77.b26b4cb.2724d4ba@aol.com> References: <77.b26b4cb.2724d4ba@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:57:34 +0200 To: SFlood6771@aol.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: iBallot.Com secure Internet voting system Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 260 dear scott, thanks for your mail. bit busy at the moment, but we have read your email with greast interest and will get back to it this week. until then, best lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com >Dear Vote-Auction.Com, > >We own and administer iBallot.Com, a premire secure Internet voting system.Ê >We permit users to create ballots, load in voter data, create security codes >and then permit the voters to vote in the organization's election. > >We are seeking investors to fund the national roll out of our Internet >election system.Ê > >If you are interested in investing in such a profitable system, please feel >free to contact me. > >Scott Flood >iBallot.Com >(603) 645-0111 >746 Chestnut Street >Manchester, NH USA 03104 From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:32 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:56:25 +0200 To: Santosh Shrikant Anagol From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: economics of vote auctions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 261 dear santosh. thanks for your mail and interest. yes, we are familiar with economics literature on the subject. i guess the united states is inreality run by the free market democracy after all. (as a short answer). i do not have so much time now, but i will gladly give you a more precise answer this week. also, if you have any specific questions, mail 'em, happy to answer. best lizvlx >hello, > my name is santosh anagol i ama junior studying economics at >stanford university. the idea of a free market for political votes >occurred to me a few weeks ago, and i was excited to find your website (a >professor of mine linked me to it). Anyway, i wanted to ask you if you >were familari with economics literature on this subject. i have done some >reading on voting schemes ( plurality, unanimous etc.)but the free market >idea seems to be diferent. i am thinking of writing a a fairly >theoretical paper on this idea as to the gains in efficiencies frome this >sort of market, and any help you could give me on previous studies or past >societies that have used this sort of system would be great. thanks for >you time.Ê > >santosh From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:32 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35.bbb214c.2723a4d6@aol.com> References: <35.bbb214c.2723a4d6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:53:42 +0200 To: SImparl@aol.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Fwd: one other thing about voteauction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 262 yup, thanks...! >Welcome back online! > >Return-path: >From: SImparl@aol.com >Full-name: SImparl >Message-ID: <27.c5ce55d.2720ccfd@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:17:33 EDT >Subject: Re: one other thing about voteauction >To: pr@voteauction.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 > >In a message dated 10/15/2000 4:11:49 PM Central Daylight Time, >pr@voteauction.com writes: > >> Steven, >>Ê >> You mentioned in one of your posts that you moderated a discussion list >> where the >> topic of voteauction.com was raised. Would it be possible to view an >> archive of >> that list? If it is a private list, would you be able to relate the tenor >> of the >> discussion. One of the main points of creating something like voteauction >> is to >> generate discussion about issues involved. We have found a couple of >> discussion >> boards where it came up, but we are interested in finding documentation of >> any >> discussion. We understand if you are not comfortable sharing this >> information >> with us if it is a private discussion. >>Ê > >Hello. > >Did you go to our Web site? I have invited you to join the WEB-LAW >discussion group. The automated invitation will tell you how to join. > >Thanks, > >Steve Imparl From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:33 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c03c29$1c177940$3ced0c18@sttls1.wa.home.com> References: <000801c03c29$1c177940$3ced0c18@sttls1.wa.home.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:52:57 +0200 To: "Byron Daily" From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 263 :) lizvlx >Hans, RIGHT ON,MAN! >BD >----------------------------------------------------- >Click here for Free Video!! >http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:33 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F395FE.57059FAA@loop.com> References: <39F395FE.57059FAA@loop.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:51:33 +0200 To: quietman@loop.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: you guys fucking rock Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 264 yup. NADER? >Hope you can tear this system called politics to shreds, Fuck the >government. Vote NADER From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:34 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:51:09 +0200 To: kingvolcano@phoenixdsl.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Hey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 265 dear kingv., thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >You should not be doing this, just my opinion. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:34 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001601c03c6d$31962840$002dfea9@oemcomputer> References: <001601c03c6d$31962840$002dfea9@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:50:29 +0200 To: "Mike Thornton" From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: News Interview Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 266 you can reach us today at +49-175-2066954 best lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com >I'd like to arrange to have someone as a guest for our news program. >I'm looking at 4-5 minutes via phone. >I hope you can help me with this? >Thanks and I hope to hear from you ASAP! >Mike Thornton >Public Affairs Director/News Producer >KVMR-FM Radio >http://www.kvmr.org >530-265-9073 >People's Tribune Radio >Executive Producer >http://www.ptradio.org >Western Slopes News Service >Co-Producer From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:35 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F34D3E.16A015E@palimpsest-inc.com> References: <39F34D3E.16A015E@palimpsest-inc.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:49:18 +0200 To: webmaster@palimpsest-inc.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: How do you sleep at night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 267 dear webmaster, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >Fucking bastards. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:35 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:48:44 +0200 To: Gesine Wulf From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 268 danke fuer die blumen :) >Hello Hans and Liz, >gute Arbeit, die Seite im neuen Look und die PresseerklŠrung >Gesine From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:35 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97754A2768C7D311BD11009027DCC9937C8645@mail.gatrixx.de> References: <97754A2768C7D311BD11009027DCC9937C8645@mail.gatrixx.de> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:44:49 +0200 To: Susanne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4dlich?= , achim@de.internet.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: interview Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 269 sicher gerne. koennen wir machen. bitte mailen sie uns ihre fragen, wir werden umgehend darauf antworten. mfg lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com >Dear Hans Bernhard, dear Operators of Vote-auction.com: > >de.internt.com is a German Online News Magazine, specializing in Marketing >and Technology News. We have been reporting recently about your Site >(supporting your efforts of "Bringing Capitalism and Democracy Closer >Together"). We would like to do an e-Mail interview with you about your >Site, your motives etc. > >Please, contact Achim Sawall, Editor, at: achim@de.internet.com > >In hope for a positive resonse and looking forward to hearing from you soon. > >Susanne SchŠdlich >Editor >de.internet.com >Am Kalrsbad 11 >10875 Berlin >Germany >Tel: 49-30-206 03 223 From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:37 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <972194390.39f282566a619@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:43:45 +0200 To: John Zipperer From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 270 dear john, phone interview is possible at +49-175.2066954 we are also happy to answer your questions by email. best lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com >Vote-Auction.com: > >Would any executives of your company be available for a phone >interview to discuss this matter? Alternatively, we could do it via >e-mail; I can e-mail you questions and you can write out your >answers and e-mail them back to me. Please let me know if either >approach works. > >Thank you. > >--John Zipperer >Assoc. Editor, Internet World >jzipperer@iw.com >212-547-1827 > >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >>-------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Vote-auction.com back online >> >>-------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Berlin, October 22, 2000 >> >>Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com >>[formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant >>information on the latest developments of the site and the >>people and users behind it. >> >>You can also find this press release at >>http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm >> >>For any further information feel free to contact >>pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>[V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com >> >>The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com >>has regained access to the web via its new domain >> >>http://www.vote-auction.com >> >>During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has >>been passed concerning the website which explores the >>high-risk consumer markets of the American election >>industry. >> >>The site's original domain had been ordered shut down >>by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois >>earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took >>their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost >>everybody related to the existence of the website, the >>owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy >>paper for version 2.0 of the project. >> >> >>[V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... >> >>The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every >>effort to get the site out of service during the last >>2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, >>James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans >>Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest >>to sue: >> >>. domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where >> the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. >> It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. >> . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as >> well as of one of the top technical staff are also named >> defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is >> vote-auction.com's internet access provider. >> >> >>[V] (Il)legal Battle? >> >>It remains open for discussion how it should be possible >>that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider >>could ever be responsible for contents accessible via >>domains they are providing routing services for. >>Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total >>violation of standards set by ICANN. >> >>We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's >>name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of >>repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. >> >>Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to >>work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- >>bank being involved in the legal case, the provider >>"politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them >>with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. >>Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we >>asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain >>to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by >>domainbank, as they had at that time already made >>a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the >>domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- >>bank's executives. >> >>Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide >>you with a clear statement from their president: >> >>"SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. >> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing >> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very >> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com >> in russia and japan." >> >> >>[V] Users give full support - despite potential respression >> >>Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their >>support in various emails. This is another reason why >>we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. >>legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com >>works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on >>protecting any data which has been submitted to us by >>trusting users. >> >>Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to >>user rights. The court has ordered all data of users >>registered with the site to be disclosed to the >>authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in >>Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually >>for so-called "voter fraud". >> >> >>[V] Where to go from here >> >>Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services >>to the vital elections markets. We will keep on >>focusing on the American elections until mid-November >>this year. In the meantime we will also finish our >>redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready >>for upcoming elections worldwide. >> >> >>For the Vote-auction.com team: >> >>lizvlx >>[V]ote-auction.com >> >> >>PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via >> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >> >> pr@vote-auction.com >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> >>We will not be able to receive messages sent to the >>old address. Thank you. >> >> >>[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >>[] [] >>[] [V]ote-auction.com [] >>[] [] >>[] pr@vote-auction.com [] >>[] [] >>[] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] >>[] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] >>[] [] >>[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------- >>This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com > >-- >___ >John Zipperer >Associate Editor >Internet World magazine >www.internetworld.com >250 Park Avenue South, 10th floor >New York, NY 10003 >mailto:zipperer@iw.com >212-547-1827 > >Internet World is part of the Penton Media family of products. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:38 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <40EC438273E1D311AE4200508B8BD1C9CA4CA2@pop.wnyc.org> References: <40EC438273E1D311AE4200508B8BD1C9CA4CA2@pop.wnyc.org> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:42:34 +0200 To: ontheline@wnyc.org From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Interview for Vote-auction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 271 dear nuala, thanks for your enquiry. concerning "who runs vote-auction.com now": the same people as before - james baumgartner has not been part of the team for some time, he is the creator of the site. vote-auction.com is ru by ubermorgen.com, which is an austrian holding company for internet businesses. the people of vote-auction.com are all based in europe, so if oyu want to do a phone interview, tell me , we can set up a date/time. best lizvlx ceo ubermorgen.com >Hello: >I wrote to you before and you were kind enough to send me James >Baumgartner's email and phone number. He has not responded, as of yet, and I >was wondering who runs vote-auction.com now. Is there someone who could be a >spokesperson for the company and explain what the site does. We would like >to do a segment on election day, November 7th. Please let me know. >Thank you >Nuala McGovern From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:38 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <58.2343ee9.27243818@aol.com> References: <58.2343ee9.27243818@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:27:56 +0200 To: AJinRI@aol.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Concerned about privacy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 272 dear anthony, i understand your concerns, but as it it seems, you do not need to be concerned about privacy issues when selling your vote. this seems to be the smallest "problem" . best lizvlx >To Whom It May Concern, >I'm concerned about transmitting personal data on your forms page that is not >secure. > ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ > ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ >Anthony Vellturo From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:38 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:26:22 +0200 To: Ron Denton From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 273 yup. >Thanks for including a list of recipients, you stupid fucks. I'm glad I >didn't actually register for your service. Way to go! From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:40 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:25:47 +0200 To: joseph vogel From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Vote-auction.com back online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 274 dear joseph, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >why??? this is totally illegal, you stupid pieces of shit! > > > > > > > > > >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >>-------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Vote-auction.com back online >> >>-------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Berlin, October 22, 2000 >> >>Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com >>[formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant >>information on the latest developments of the site and the >>people and users behind it. >> >>You can also find this press release at >>http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm >> >>For any further information feel free to contact >>pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>[V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com >> >>The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com >>has regained access to the web via its new domain >> >>http://www.vote-auction.com >> >>During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has >>been passed concerning the website which explores the >>high-risk consumer markets of the American election >>industry. >> >>The site's original domain had been ordered shut down >>by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois >>earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took >>their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost >>everybody related to the existence of the website, the >>owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy >>paper for version 2.0 of the project. >> >> >>[V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... >> >>The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every >>effort to get the site out of service during the last >>2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, >>James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans >>Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest >>to sue: >> >>. domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where >> the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. >> It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. >> >>. silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as >> well as of one of the top technical staff are also named >> defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is >> vote-auction.com's internet access provider. >> >> >>[V] (Il)legal Battle? >> >>It remains open for discussion how it should be possible >>that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider >>could ever be responsible for contents accessible via >>domains they are providing routing services for. >>Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total >>violation of standards set by ICANN. >> >>We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's >>name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of >>repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. >> >>Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to >>work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- >>bank being involved in the legal case, the provider >>"politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them >>with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. >>Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we >>asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain >>to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by >>domainbank, as they had at that time already made >>a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the >>domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- >>bank's executives. >> >>Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide >>you with a clear statement from their president: >> >>"SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. >> SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing >> contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very >> interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com >> in russia and japan." >> >> >>[V] Users give full support - despite potential respression > > >>Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their >>support in various emails. This is another reason why >>we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. >>legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com >>works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on >>protecting any data which has been submitted to us by >>trusting users. >> >>Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to >>user rights. The court has ordered all data of users >>registered with the site to be disclosed to the >>authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in >>Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually >>for so-called "voter fraud". >> >> >>[V] Where to go from here >> >>Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services >>to the vital elections markets. We will keep on >>focusing on the American elections until mid-November >>this year. In the meantime we will also finish our >>redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready >>for upcoming elections worldwide. >> >> >>For the Vote-auction.com team: >> >>lizvlx >>[V]ote-auction.com >> >> >>PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via >> web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: >> >> pr@vote-auction.com >> http://www.vote-auction.com >> >>We will not be able to receive messages sent to the >>old address. Thank you. >> >> >>[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >>[] [] >>[] [V]ote-auction.com [] >>[] [] >>[] pr@vote-auction.com [] >>[] [] >>[] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] >>[] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] >>[] [] >>[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------- >>This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com > > >Joseph P. Vogel >Assistant Professor >Washington University School of Medicine >Dept. Molecular Microbiology/Box 8230 >660 S. Euclid Ave. >St. Louis, MO 63108 >314-747-1029 (office) >314-747-1030 (lab) >314-362-3203 (fax) From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:40 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F282D5.6C8A8E21@prodigy.net> References: <39F282D5.6C8A8E21@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:25:18 +0200 To: "D. Hayes" From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Well?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 275 dear d.hayes, thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >Your a criminal and un-patriotic. As if you didn't know that already. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:41 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:21:03 +0200 To: LeoCAMEL2000@aol.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Vote Auction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 276 dear leo thank you for your mail. it is the so many different viewpoints which make our world an interesting place. best lizvlx >I swear, you dweebs are the bottom of the barrel. I hope you folks are put >out of business forthwith! Our American democracy is based on our vote. It is >a precious privilege and is not for sale. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:41 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <972180789.91029@egroups.com> References: <972180789.91029@egroups.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:19:41 +0200 To: web-law-subscribe@egroups.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Reply now to join the web-law group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 277 From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:41 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001020.192957.-134421.10.tfogarty@juno.com> References: <20001020.192957.-134421.10.tfogarty@juno.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:19:03 +0200 To: Thomas R Fogarty From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: your site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 278 dear tom, thanks a lot for your mail, it is always nice to read intelligent comment on our work. also, it is interesting to read about your experiences in working for campaigns. we are back online, fyi, at http://www.vote-auction.com this time for longer... best lizvlx >Noticed that you got shut down. I'm not sure how serious you were, but >you definitely got some attention. And personally I think that the >actions of the officials of Cook County, IL against you were unwarranted. > > >While I think you have a valid point in regards to how political >campaigns have essentially become business endeavors, I would never, ever >"sell" my vote. The moral and ethical questions aside, it does not, >based upon my experience, make economic sense. I have worked for >Mayoral, Congressional, Senatorial, and even Presidential campaigns, and >they are notoriously bad employers. At least when it comes to the bottom >line. I rarely got paid on time. And frequently, when I got a check, I >was encouraged not to deposit it "until further notice." Too many >campaigns are fueled by credit, and too many leave their bills unpaid for >years after the campaign is over.Ê > >Given my experience, if I sold my vote, I know that I would quite >possibly have to wait a good 2 years before I received payment. No >thanks. > >All the same, kudos to you! You have, in a very creative way, created a >forum for what can possibly be a very constructive dialogue regarding our >political system. > >Hope you get back on-line soon, >Tom Fogarty From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:41 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:16:49 +0200 To: "Phiber OPtik" From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: My vote...My choice!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 279 email received. we will add you to the databases. as we are doing a major software update at the moment, you will hear from us and the status of your offer not before next week. best lizvlx > I'm offering MY vote. Let me know what I need to do next. I'm not about >to let them tell me just how I use it, hehehe! > > Let me know at this addy: > > phiberoptik@yahoo.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:42 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:12:50 +0200 To: From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Re: Told ya so! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 280 dear david, as you might have heard, we are back online ready to deliver to the worldwide markets! best, lizvlx >Goodbye and good riddence! > > >David Finley > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:42 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194487.39f282b7657f9@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:01:27 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 281 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:43 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194438.39f28286bd639@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:00:38 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 282 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:44 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194390.39f282566a619@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:59:50 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 283 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:45 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194347.39f2822b74259@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:59:07 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 284 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:46 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194282.39f281eb01671@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:58:03 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 285 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:48 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194235.39f281bb93e29@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:57:15 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 286 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:49 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194189.39f2818d34abb@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:56:29 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 287 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:50 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194136.39f281590166b@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:55:37 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 288 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:51 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194091.39f2812b4833a@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:54:51 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 289 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:54 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972194033.39f280f151f79@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:53:53 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 290 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:55 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193980.39f280bc21239@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:53:00 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 291 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:55 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193829.39f280254f86a@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:50:29 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 292 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:50:58 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193713.39f27fb12876b@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:48:33 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 293 To: pr@vote-auction.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Vote-auction.com back online Cc: Bcc: mkanders@mail.javanet.com, Francois.Bringer@turner.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, pr@vote-auction.com, dwillett@undergroundshopper.com, ryano@pop3.anc.net, sbillheimer@ZonaResearch.com, Shaun.Peck@prgx.com, VotingProj@aol.com, tassos@avote.com, andrew@wanderbody.com, runforit@netins.net, bstevenson@trec.on.ca, ross@dynamicappraisals.com, michelleh@newsreview.com, diablo@best.com, ttw5@hotmail.com, pronto@olypen.com, rdent@slack.wlcg.com, last2words@email.com, jon.ward.01@bbc.co.uk, webm3148@cubabusiness.org, sl715@columbia.edu, wayne@penncen.com, jarkari@yahoo.com, bgamboeck@net-bc.com, sally@sduros.com, matthias.funk@gmx.at, Jennifer.Hoyt@chron.com, recombs@montana.com, bmatthew@fcw.com, olivia@blueridge.net, Michael.Carney@reuters.com, Decrot@aol.com, carizozo@mindspring.com, c.luke@gmx.net, leahy@sover.ne, dclark@nationaljournal.com, Benjamin.Dwyer@barclayscapital.com, ecrampto@osf1.gmu.edu, leocabana@hotmail.com, Mike.Bull@wepco.com, marc@ns1.whuz.com, mgiannoni@capu.net, RHJ@dr.dk, shren@io.com, njesdanun@ap.org, jake@tbsi-us.com, btorppey@pica.army.mil, ryankivlen@hotmail.com, bsayeg@folhasp.com.br, aberman@usatoday.com, r11dan@mindspring.com, mccarty@transaeroinc.com, chaplain@acceleration.net, m.wolfram@taunusfilm.at, MoPrest@aol.com, dongoldberg@home.com, luke@nosek.com, esardera@hotmail.com, jfreilly@saturn.vcu.edu, Kathleen_Ohlson@computerworld.com, ChuckF@cnet.com, merens@wpr.org, mega_bytes@hotmail.com, mgallo@Mvisionmedia.com, tarker@cin.net, declan@well.com, whiteben@washpost.com, SImparl@aol.com, wowcool@shell8.ba.best.com, RNC_eLeader@mail.echampions2000.com, crn11@columbia.edu, jkornblum@usatoday.com, riemel@border2000.org, hklaeuser@ard- usa.com, joshvaldes@hotmail.com, don_andrews@metronetworks.com, whiteleythomas@hotmail.com, andrewr1995@yahoo.com, ontheline@wnyc.org, greischl@netway.at, cfeinberg@prospect.org, ChrisLavoie@clearchannel.com, steve.brown@foxnews.com, megan@fci-ny.com, heathvan@wwmt.com, Kevin.M.Collard@abc.com, CMeyerson@tribune.com, SAllen@SERmacrosoft.com, LJMOLLOY@occ.cc.mi.us, RIEGLER316@aol.com, RHepp@tribune.com, newsintern@wbez.org, michelle@auctionwatch.com, aacooper@ap.org, DemiPlies@aol.com, NeonMatt0711@aol.com, KGuillory@KQED.org, johnhalverson@colonnadedesign.com, jvogel@borcim.wustl.edu, esingley@siegelgale.com, jcane@quadrantcapital.com, jthomp40@ford.com, Rachel_Munro@zdnet.com, melvin.hegwood@efairfield.com, CWilson984@aol.com, knowltonb@washpost.com, Paul.Keffer@conectiv.com, avonnegut@ixir.net, HDBby@aol.com, schurch@delawareonline.com, knowltonb@washpost.com, matthieu.auzanneau@transfert.net, mbologna@bna.com, chas@millergrp.com, micaelachoo@hotmail.com, DKazak@dailyherald.com, flr@jps.net, ZMAN122148@aol.com, jbloom76@yahoo.com, Ruth.Ravve@foxnews.com, frank@ma.cablevision.com, mleland@voa.gov, f2000@popd.ix.netcom.com, doug_j@thingswecando.com, jrubinstein@igc.org, mberger@upside.com, Fergus.Sheppard@itn.co.uk, Marko.Crnkovic@delo.si, jzipperer@iw.com, kwagner@AccessMagazine.com, hartted@WEWS.com, krupp2001@yahoo.com, Tara_Pepper@primediamags.com, elisitamh@yahoo.com, KSimpson@denverpost.com, EInjuner4u@aol.com, sacprincess@juno.com, Tory@cen.at, rlepre@homeowners.com, davidfinley@yahoo.com, brucebrothers1@home.com, phiberoptik@yahoo.com, tfogarty@juno.com, tgw@technodemocracy.org, o@sil.at, aaron@fastforward.at, moni@ubermorgen.com, cjm@terminal.sil.at, tils@tils.net, gewulf@gmx.net, sk12@gmx.de, liz@ubermorgen.com X-Attachments: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:00 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193663.39f27f7f91719@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:47:43 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 294 To: pr@vote-auction.com From: Vote-auction PR Subject: Vote-auction.com back online Cc: Bcc: mkanders@mail.javanet.com, Francois.Bringer@turner.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, pr@vote-auction.com, dwillett@undergroundshopper.com, ryano@pop3.anc.net, sbillheimer@ZonaResearch.com, Shaun.Peck@prgx.com, VotingProj@aol.com, tassos@avote.com, andrew@wanderbody.com, runforit@netins.net, bstevenson@trec.on.ca, ross@dynamicappraisals.com, michelleh@newsreview.com, diablo@best.com, ttw5@hotmail.com, pronto@olypen.com, rdent@slack.wlcg.com, last2words@email.com, jon.ward.01@bbc.co.uk, webm3148@cubabusiness.org, sl715@columbia.edu, wayne@penncen.com, jarkari@yahoo.com, bgamboeck@net-bc.com, sally@sduros.com, matthias.funk@gmx.at, Jennifer.Hoyt@chron.com, recombs@montana.com, bmatthew@fcw.com, olivia@blueridge.net, Michael.Carney@reuters.com, Decrot@aol.com, carizozo@mindspring.com, c.luke@gmx.net, leahy@sover.ne, dclark@nationaljournal.com, Benjamin.Dwyer@barclayscapital.com, ecrampto@osf1.gmu.edu, leocabana@hotmail.com, Mike.Bull@wepco.com, marc@ns1.whuz.com, mgiannoni@capu.net, RHJ@dr.dk, shren@io.com, njesdanun@ap.org, jake@tbsi-us.com, btorppey@pica.army.mil, ryankivlen@hotmail.com, bsayeg@folhasp.com.br, aberman@usatoday.com, r11dan@mindspring.com, mccarty@transaeroinc.com, chaplain@acceleration.net, m.wolfram@taunusfilm.at, MoPrest@aol.com, dongoldberg@home.com, luke@nosek.com, esardera@hotmail.com, jfreilly@saturn.vcu.edu, Kathleen_Ohlson@computerworld.com, ChuckF@cnet.com, merens@wpr.org, mega_bytes@hotmail.com, mgallo@Mvisionmedia.com, tarker@cin.net, declan@well.com, whiteben@washpost.com, SImparl@aol.com, wowcool@shell8.ba.best.com, RNC_eLeader@mail.echampions2000.com, crn11@columbia.edu, jkornblum@usatoday.com, riemel@border2000.org, hklaeuser@ard- usa.com, joshvaldes@hotmail.com, don_andrews@metronetworks.com, whiteleythomas@hotmail.com, andrewr1995@yahoo.com, ontheline@wnyc.org, greischl@netway.at, cfeinberg@prospect.org, ChrisLavoie@clearchannel.com, steve.brown@foxnews.com, megan@fci-ny.com, heathvan@wwmt.com, Kevin.M.Collard@abc.com, CMeyerson@tribune.com, SAllen@SERmacrosoft.com, LJMOLLOY@occ.cc.mi.us, RIEGLER316@aol.com, RHepp@tribune.com, newsintern@wbez.org, michelle@auctionwatch.com, aacooper@ap.org, DemiPlies@aol.com, NeonMatt0711@aol.com, KGuillory@KQED.org, johnhalverson@colonnadedesign.com, jvogel@borcim.wustl.edu, esingley@siegelgale.com, jcane@quadrantcapital.com, jthomp40@ford.com, Rachel_Munro@zdnet.com, melvin.hegwood@efairfield.com, CWilson984@aol.com, knowltonb@washpost.com, Paul.Keffer@conectiv.com, avonnegut@ixir.net, HDBby@aol.com, schurch@delawareonline.com, knowltonb@washpost.com, matthieu.auzanneau@transfert.net, mbologna@bna.com, chas@millergrp.com, micaelachoo@hotmail.com, DKazak@dailyherald.com, flr@jps.net, ZMAN122148@aol.com, jbloom76@yahoo.com, Ruth.Ravve@foxnews.com, frank@ma.cablevision.com, mleland@voa.gov, f2000@popd.ix.netcom.com, doug_j@thingswecando.com, jrubinstein@igc.org, mberger@upside.com, Fergus.Sheppard@itn.co.uk, Marko.Crnkovic@delo.si, jzipperer@iw.com, kwagner@AccessMagazine.com, hartted@WEWS.com, krupp2001@yahoo.com, Tara_Pepper@primediamags.com, elisitamh@yahoo.com, KSimpson@denverpost.com, EInjuner4u@aol.com, sacprincess@juno.com, Tory@cen.at, rlepre@homeowners.com, davidfinley@yahoo.com, brucebrothers1@home.com, phiberoptik@yahoo.com, tfogarty@juno.com, tgw@technodemocracy.org, o@sil.at, aaron@fastforward.at, moni@ubermorgen.com, cjm@terminal.sil.at, tils@tils.net, gewulf@gmx.net, sk12@gmx.de, liz@ubermorgen.com X-Attachments: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:01 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193602.39f27f42df91a@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:46:42 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 295 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:02 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193535.39f27effa76a9@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:45:35 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , , , , , , , , Subject: Vote-auction.com back online User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 296 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:03 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193243.39f27ddbb6109@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:40:43 +0200 To: From: Subject: tets User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 297 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -------------------------------------------------------- Vote-auction.com back online -------------------------------------------------------- Berlin, October 22, 2000 Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it. You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. ------------------------------------------------------- [V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain http://www.vote-auction.com During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry. The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project. [V] Sue 'em 'til they drop... The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue: . domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. . silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. [V] (Il)legal Battle? It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN. We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives. Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: "SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan." [V] Users give full support - despite potential respression Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users. Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud". [V] Where to go from here Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide. For the Vote-auction.com team: lizvlx [V]ote-auction.com PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: pr@vote-auction.com http://www.vote-auction.com We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [V]ote-auction.com [] [] [] [] pr@vote-auction.com [] [] [] [] The Election Idustry Leader - Bringing [] [] Capitalism & Democracy closer together [] [] [] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:03 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193155.39f27d8314ee9@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:39:15 +0200 To: From: Bcc: , Subject: test User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 298 test ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:03 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972193080.39f27d382fc99@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:38:00 +0200 To: From: Subject: test User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 299 test ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:04 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972192973.39f27ccd3e6f9@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:36:13 +0200 To: From: Subject: test User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 300 test ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:04 2001 +0100 Message-ID: <972192910.39f27c8e594a9@www.ubermorgen.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:35:10 +0200 To: From: Subject: test User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 301 test ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.ubermorgen.com From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:05 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:23:48 +0200 To: Oskar Obereder From: lizvlx Subject: Re: Injunction Order (fwd) Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 302 yo, das waer gut denk ich. momentaner status ist, dass der james baumgartner "umgefallen" ist, i.e. er ko-operiert voll mit den behoerden, damit er keinen stress bekommt. die einzige sache, wo er sich noch bemueht die nazi-behoerden zu bekaempfen ist bzgl der weitergabe der userdaten. "sein anwalt bemueht sich die weitergabe der userdaten zu verhindern". d.h. james ist voll aus der sache raus, er hat uns gebeten die sache fuer die naechsten 2 wochen oder so leise zu machen, da die leute vom FBI sonst "suspicious" werden...denen gefaellt das nicht, dass auslaender an der sache arbeiten...hehe den gefallen mit den 2 wochen ruhe koennen wir dem james leider nicht machen, sonst ist die sache tot. vote-auction.com ist wieder live, momentan ist eine zwischenseite drauf, ich arbeite an einen redesign das heute live gehen sollte und ausserdem an einem press release der unbedingt heute rausgehen muss {sonst sauft usn die sache pressetechnisch ab}. das zum status quo. insofern waer auch meine frage, ob und wie ich dich bzw. silverserver in einem press release inkludiern koennte/duerfte...? greets liz >hallo, > >wenn es hilfreich ist kann ich unseren anwalt fragen ob es ihn >interrressiert. > >cu o. >> >> hi o; >> >> danke fuer tif, wir werden schauen muessen >> ob wir uns einen laywer vor ort organisieren >> sollten fuer dieses hearing am 30. oktober. >> >> hab ansonsten noch versucht dich zu erreichen, >> wollt npch kurz sozusagen strategie besprechen.. >> >> bestz >> liz >> +49-175-2066954 >> >> >> >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:11:58 -0500 >>>From: Chicago Board of Elections >>>To: Hans@ubermorgen.com, Oskar@SIL.AT >>>Subject: Injunction Order >>> >>> >>> >>>Content-Type: IMAGE/TIFF; NAME="Voteauct2.TIF" >>>Content-ID: >>>Content-Description: >>>Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; FILENAME="Voteauct2.TIF" >>> >>>Attachment converted: Mac OS 9:Voteauct2.TIF (TIFF/JFAX) (0000581B) >> >> > >-- > >SILVER SERVER \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\ \\ >o@sil.at www.sil.at >-- PGP-Key-ID: 0x82EE53EC OO14-RIPE,SIL-MNT keep your backbone tidy From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:05 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:56:29 +0200 To: RTMark admin From: lizvlx Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: strategy change voteauction.com Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 303 dear all; pls check for level02: http://www.vote-auction.com seems to be coming live through the domain system... bestz ::) liz From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:06 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:02:21 +0200 To: Oskar Obereder From: lizvlx Subject: Re: Injunction Order (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 304 hi o; danke fuer tif, wir werden schauen muessen ob wir uns einen laywer vor ort organisieren sollten fuer dieses hearing am 30. oktober. hab ansonsten noch versucht dich zu erreichen, wollt npch kurz sozusagen strategie besprechen.. bestz liz +49-175-2066954 >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:11:58 -0500 >From: Chicago Board of Elections >To: Hans@ubermorgen.com, Oskar@SIL.AT >Subject: Injunction Order > > > >Content-Type: IMAGE/TIFF; NAME="Voteauct2.TIF" >Content-ID: >Content-Description: >Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; FILENAME="Voteauct2.TIF" > >Attachment converted: Mac OS 9:Voteauct2.TIF (TIFF/JFAX) (0000581B) From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:06 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001020133403.21238.qmail@www.etxtreme.ru> References: <20001020133403.21238.qmail@www.etxtreme.ru> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:40:29 +0200 To: sheilaavari@hotmail.com From: lizvlx Subject: Re: Detroit or New york Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 305 dear sheila; no, we do not have an office in the states - we are located in vienna and berlin. and they way things are going at the moment, i would not be too sure that we should be coming to the states very soon - ... sorry to dissapoint you there - but maybe i can help remotely after all? bestz lizvlx >EMAIL.................... sheilaavari@hotmail.com > >NAME..................... Sheila Avari > >NACHRICHT................ Hello. i read in your website that you may >suddenly be appearing in my area. when will you be in Detroit >Michigan or New York. Do you have American offices? From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:06 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2739.972033785@www14.gmx.net> References: <2739.972033785@www14.gmx.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:47:21 +0200 To: Gesine Wulf From: lizvlx Subject: Re: ?everything ok? Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 306 hi gesine; bis auf das dass wir beide nach wie vor etwas krank sind, is alles ok. fuer konkretere infos leg dir einen pgp key zu oder ruf mich an 0175-2066954 bestz lizvlx >Servus Liz und Hans, >wollte sowieso noch danken fŸr das Interview, und fragen, wie ich Hans >eigentlich titulieren soll: Investor? Besitzer? Betreiber? CEO? von vote ... >Aber habe gerade gesehen, die Adresse ist down, so: WAS IST DAS? Wann seid Ihr >wieder online? Neue Probleme? Der Geheimdienst in Berlin? Bin leicht >beunruhigt, und hoffe dringend, dass es keinen Gund dazu gibt. >Sondern Ihr munter >und realxed seid und die Geschichte auch noch nicht vorbei. Wenn Du das noch >bestŠtigen kšnntest und ich wei§, wann die Seite wieder auf dem Bildschrim >ist, wŠre das nur gut. Tel: 29381214 >es lebe die eRevolution, >Gesine >lizard From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:06 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 20543 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 10:17:40 -0000 Received: from f174.law3.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.174) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 10:17:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:17:14 -0700 Received: from 158.152.78.84 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:17:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [158.152.78.84] Reply-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "net_ CALLBOY" To: dstewart@dreyerboyajian.com Subject: Re: James Baumgartner Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:17:14 GMT Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 10:17:14.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB0445F0:01C03A7E] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 307 On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Daniel Stewart wrote: dear d will set you up with our lawyers. please have james give me a message that you are his rep for this case. the web/site has been turned off by domain/bank on court/orders from chicago. thankx hans >Hans, > Please be advised that I represent James Baumgartner concerning the >site voteauction.com, and the legal proceedings that have resulted. I would >like to talk with you or your counsel regarding the most recent decision >from Illinois. That orders, in essence, that the web site be removed within >10 days. Will you comply with that order? Please have someone call me at >518-463-7784 > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:07 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001c03a30$4acfd6b0$6f29fb0a@fastforward.internal> References: <001201c039cb$713d7010$6f29fb0a@fastforward.internal><000701c03a1b$c5104640$6f29fb0a@fastforward.internal>< p 04320400b6152f6fee90@[212.84.244.173]><001401c03a25$82ee2520$6f29fb0a@fas t forward.internal> <000001c03a2d$ae41efb0$6f29fb0a@f a stforward.internal> <002001c03a30$4acfd6b0$6f29fb0a@fastforward.internal> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:31:40 +0200 To: "Leon Aaron Kaplan" From: lizvlx Subject: Re: test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 308 kannst du noch die body bgcolor="#FFFFCC" auf den neuen index seite einstellen? damit das "branding" aufrecht bleibt... thanks liz From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:07 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010181515.RAA05644@terminal.sil.at> References: <200010181515.RAA05644@terminal.sil.at> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:23:37 +0200 To: "Chris J. Mutter" From: lizvlx Subject: Re: pgp key bitte... 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Mutter" From: lizvlx Subject: Re: pgp key bitte... 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Mutter" From: lizvlx Subject: Re: pgp key bitte... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 317 onko. gmacht. danke. forgot. > > KeyID: 0x413C38B8 > >oje. nicht auf den keyservern upgeloadet.. bitte private key >auf http://www.keyserver.net/ uploaden .. dann verbreitet es >sich rum und die leute koennen dir nach angabe der PGP-keyID >crypted mails schicken... > >lg, >cjm >-- >SILVER SERVER \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\ \\ \ >cjm@sil.at, cjm@enemy.org, neo@bsdger.org www.sil.at |A >** PGP-Key-ID: 0xA941452D | "Remember - if all you have is an axe, |S >--------------------------| every problem looks like hours of fun." |R From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:11 2001 +0100 Return-Path: Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 3014 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from terminal.sil.at (194.152.178.15) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 18 Oct 2000 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from terminal.sil.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by terminal.sil.at (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA05644 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:15:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200010181515.RAA05644@terminal.sil.at> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 01/07/2000 To: lizvlx Subject: Re: pgp key bitte... In-reply-to: liz's message of Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:25:30 +0200. X-Face: "0|_!}6Ay;=lSa@qs\q$u2RZUTyW(m(?80f[OF3eR:4uk6rd&+9lUw"6ACgq]hyak/Io Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 318 > KeyID: 0x413C38B8 oje. nicht auf den keyservern upgeloadet.. bitte private key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ uploaden .. dann verbreitet es sich rum und die leute koennen dir nach angabe der PGP-keyID crypted mails schicken... lg, cjm -- SILVER SERVER \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\ \\ \ cjm@sil.at, cjm@enemy.org, neo@bsdger.org www.sil.at |A ** PGP-Key-ID: 0xA941452D | "Remember - if all you have is an axe, |S --------------------------| every problem looks like hours of fun." |R From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:12 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010181421.QAA02032@terminal.sil.at> References: <200010181421.QAA02032@terminal.sil.at> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:25:30 +0200 To: "Chris J. Mutter" From: lizvlx Subject: Re: pgp key bitte... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 319 KeyID: 0x413C38B8 >pgp key bitte oder keyID ... > >danke, >cjm >-- >SILVER SERVER \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\ \\ \ >cjm@sil.at, cjm@enemy.org, neo@bsdger.org www.sil.at |A >** PGP-Key-ID: 0xA941452D | "Remember - if all you have is an axe, |S >--------------------------| every problem looks like hours of fun." |R From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:13 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:11:18 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com, rayth@rtmark.com From: lizvlx Subject: Re: end-game strategies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 320 -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 Int. for non-commercial use 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Mutter" From: lizvlx Subject: Re: domains in .de ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 322 schon dabei. >Hallo, > >http://joker.com/ ... neuen account machen (email/passwd), >und bitte selbst registrieren. dns info dann einfach zu >uns legen -> ns1.sil.at/ns2.sil.at/ns3.sil.at > >mlg, >cjm >-- >SILVER SERVER \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\ \\ \ >cjm@sil.at, cjm@enemy.org, neo@bsdger.org www.sil.at |A >** PGP-Key-ID: 0xA941452D | "Remember - if all you have is an axe, |S >--------------------------| every problem looks like hours of fun." |R From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:15 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:06:42 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: lizvlx Subject: Fwd: www.voteauction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 323 >Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com >Date: 17 Oct 2000 08:53:36 -0000 >From: feedback@ubermorgen.com >Reply-To: patrick.hurst@ananova.com >To: liz@ubermorgen.com >Subject: www.voteauction.com > >EMAIL.................... patrick.hurst@ananova.com > >NAME..................... Patrick Hurst > >NACHRICHT................ >FAO Mr Hans Bernhard > >Please contact Pat Hurst as quickly as possible re news stories on >voteauction.com. > >I work for Ananova.com - formerly the UK Press Association New Media section. > >I am very keen to talk to you about voteauction and the UK. > >Please contact me urgently on 00 44 113 3674564 or 07970 506640 (m). > >Many Thanks. > >Pat Hurst. 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From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:16 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:18:26 +0200 To: net_CALLBOY From: lizvlx Subject: Re: Fwd: California investigation into voteauction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 325 ok see below. lizvlllx >any consulting for my answer would >be appreciated; greetz hans > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:13:16 -0400 >>From: aacooper >>X-Accept-Language: en >>To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Subject: California investigation into voteauction.com >> >>Dear Sir: >> >>The California Secretary of State announced today an investigation into the >>practices of your Web site, voteauction.com. He claims the site is >>conducting illegal business by offering votes for sale. >> >>In the interest of fair reporting, we need a comment from you or a >>representative of your company about this investigation. I am interested in >>why you bought the Web site and how you defend yourself against these >>claims, which, as you know, have also been made in other U.S. states. >> >>Please contact me by phone or email. >> >>Yours, >>Audrey Cooper >>The Associated Press >>916-488-9555 >>aacooper@ap.org first off, we would like to thank the secretary of the state of california for his eagerness concerning the protection of democracy. we are proud to have one more warrior on our side in the fight for democracy. we truly believe that the secretary is fighting for the same goals as we are. concerning the specifics of a potential legal side-battle: at this moment in time, though, we can only state that we have indeed received a formal letter from the secretary of state of california. he did cite a few articles of the local election laws. we are at this time consulting with our laywers in europe and the u.s. what the secretary is actually relating to. as you can probably imagine, we do not know by heart or understand the local laws of the state of california and therefore have to get a thought- through statement from our laywers before making any further comment. thank you. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:16 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:50:54 +0200 To: net_CALLBOY From: lizvlx Subject: Re: Fwd: California investigation into voteauction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 326 ok see below. lizvlllx >any consulting for my answer would >be appreciated; greetz hans > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:13:16 -0400 >>From: aacooper >>X-Accept-Language: en >>To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Subject: California investigation into voteauction.com >> >>Dear Sir: >> >>The California Secretary of State announced today an investigation into the >>practices of your Web site, voteauction.com. He claims the site is >>conducting illegal business by offering votes for sale. >> >>In the interest of fair reporting, we need a comment from you or a >>representative of your company about this investigation. I am interested in >>why you bought the Web site and how you defend yourself against these >>claims, which, as you know, have also been made in other U.S. states. >> >>Please contact me by phone or email. >> >>Yours, >>Audrey Cooper >>The Associated Press >>916-488-9555 >>aacooper@ap.org first off, we would like to thank the secretary of the state of california for his eagerness concerning the protection of democracy. we are proud to have one more warrior on our side in the fight for democracy. we truly believe that the secretary is fighting for the same goals as we are. concerning the specifics of a potential legal side-battle: at this moment in time, though, we can only state that we have indeed received a formal letter from the secretary of state of california. he did cite a few articles of the local election laws. we are at this time consulting with our laywers in europe and the u.s. what the secretary is actually relating to. as you can probably imagine, we do not know by heart or understand the local laws of the state of california and therefore have to get a thought- through statement from our laywers before making any further comment. thank you. From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:17 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:36:30 +0200 To: andy@ccc.de From: lizvlx Subject: voteauction.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 327 dear andy; deine email wurde mir von thomaxx gegeben. ich sitz hier in berlin im mikro buero und bin am herumschwitzen mit der sache voteauction.com. falls du noch nicht davon gehoert hast, voteauction.com ist eine von ubermorgen.com betreute site, welche fuer den amerikanischen wahlkampf ein forum anbietet, an dem waehler ihre stimmen zum kauf anbieten koennen. --> bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! wir bekommen jetzt probleme mit den californischen/us behoerden und in der folge mit der domainbank. aufgrund eines vorwurfes des rechtsbruches des kalifornischen wahlgesetzes will die domainbank uns [frist=30 tage] die domain wegnehmen. jedenfalls, ich will jetzt nicht allzusehr ins detail gehen, ich wollte primaer mal anfragen, ob ich mich mit dir treffen koennte um ueber die sache zu sprechen. ich bin die woche bis donnerstag in berlin, uebers wochenende in london/hull und dann wieder in berlin. waer kewl, mail oder callme 0175-2066954 bestz; lizvlx From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:17 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:18:13 +0200 To: net_CALLBOY From: lizvlx Subject: Re: voteauction - laywer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 328 danke, docs habe ich alle. ich werd fragen wg etoy. bestz liz >>dear all; >> >>i will be talking to a lawyer here >>in berlin on wednesday. >> >>and, i will also be talking to a >>member of icann tomorrow. > >kewl! wenn du noch docs oder was >brauchst.. mailme... und wenn der >anwalt an etoy interessiert ist >wuerd ich ihn/sie gerne treffen >zwischen 23-18.10... > >danke >gruesse >hans > >>we'll see what their advice will >>be. >> >>bestz; >>liz >>-- >>. . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . . . .mob +49-175-2066954. . . .ema liz@ubermorgen.com . . >>. . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 43228608 . . . . . . . >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >> >> >>disclaimer01:: >>the contents of this email, and any attachments, are >>CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person(s) to whom they >>are addressed. if you have received the email in error, please >>notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer >>system. do not copy or distribute it or disclose its contents >>to any person. unless otherwise stated, the views and opinions >>expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not >>represent the official view of the company. > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . >. . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:17 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:03:05 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: lizvlx Subject: voteauction - laywer Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 329 dear all; i will be talking to a lawyer here in berlin on wednesday. and, i will also be talking to a member of icann tomorrow. we'll see what their advice will be. bestz; liz From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Feb 21 19:51:19 2001 +0100 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:13:42 +0200 To: baumgj@rpi.edu From: lizvlx Subject: Re: end-game strategies Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 330 dear all; i am here in berlin. the press is running crazy in media-loving germany. what do i think about the points/ideas made so far: . i also would never ever tell anybody that it is not working really. the people shalt believe what they want to believe. . i would not stop it yet. . concerning domainbank: i am doing the following: . preparing a letter to the domainbank, which will state that we have not been contacted formally by any governmental bodies, i.e. we would not know what laws we are breaking at the moment. i will get this cross-checked with a laywer in berlin. . i will meet the newly-elected icann person from germany, namely a member of the infamous ccc.org; and discuss the issue with him. i see another interesting issue in the domainbank thing.* . i will also check for an alternative domain for voteauction, so we can always solve the domainbank thing easily anytime in a technical kind of way. i still cant believe in a way that they are all running crazy an this, but then....they always do... we cant stop now, the media would hate us! bestz; lizvlx >>All, > >hi there > >thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. >its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal >pressure but also in terms of the election running >to its final climax.. > >my opinion: > >:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing > out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or > a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood > that there is a thin line and we are walking it, > but the public is in no way interested.. they want > action, story, blood.. > >:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out > with a press.release including the mentioning of > the legal attacks, including a technique we found > to travel around any legal problems [compareable > to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, > without contract and without clear order connected > to the paiment, > so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. > we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate > we just make suggestions, or not even that... they > should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate > the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; > > ---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer > so we dont increase our legal troubles... > any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such > an email quickly? > >:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go > out and declare that due to legal pressure, the > platform was rendered inactive officially to protect > the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers > will be done offline in an alternative way not to > be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh > about how for the next election our system will be > legally, economically and technically improved to > sustain all possible pressures and problems... > > ----again, legal check.. > ----this email should generate the last big wave > of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that > we are playing the game smart and fast.. > >:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal > side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is > running out and we will be in london over the next > week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. > hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the > domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take > down the content from voteauction.com and put it > on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. > then just have a link from voteauction.com to > voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank > to not be involved with it anymore? > > ----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and > talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? > > pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, > ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! > > greetZ > hans_e > > > ps: what exactly is the election date??? > > >>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure >>chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper >>end-game strategy for voteauction.com. >> >>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise >>awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals >>influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted >>the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing >>privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact >>should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the >>viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture >>(partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the >>money-obsession continues.) >> >>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the >>articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, >>what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like >>a real auction? >> >>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal >>procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue >>of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not >>really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press >>focus on that? >> >>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges >>on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes >>are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when >>they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this >>could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. >> >>Possible future strategies: >>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction >>receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once >>again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have >>stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians >>have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers >>up on the rest of the auctions. >> >>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is >>safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already >>been sold, include appropriate links. >> >>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the >>California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, >>Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. >> >>--- >> >>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I >>think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no >>prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a >>bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and >>keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can >>tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming >>clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If >>prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going >>after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being >>sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also >>have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we >>are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. >> >>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other >>opinions. >> >>James > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . >. . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed May 9 13:15:10 2001 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010130122218.37050.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010130122218.37050.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:47:32 +0200 To: phil cain From: "[V]ote-auction PR" Subject: Re: Interview Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 331 hi there, i am so sorry about replaying so late to your enquiry - usually i do better ;) concerning your feature - well, i guess you are probably already finished with it ... but if not, or if i can be of any other help, pls do not hesitate to contact us again. concerning your question: >learning more about its plans concerning this election. well, there are also upcoming elections in austria (in vienna to be precise), we have been contacted by - let's say "diverse" individuals to get active in these city elections. then, there has been an enquiry to co-operate for elections in australia. we have not yet established reliable business relations with individuals in the u.k. - we usually always work on a joint-venture basis. if ya need anything more... best lizvlx >Dear Sir/Madam > >I am researching a feature on e-campaigning in the >context of the upcoming UK elections. I would like to >interview one of those behind [v]ote-auction.com to >learn a little more about its plans concerning this >election. > >You can contact me either at this address or at my >work address, phil@headstar.com, or on my mobile at >+44 797 418 9270. > >Best regards >Phil Cain > >editor/publisher >headstar.com > > >____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed May 9 13:15:10 2001 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:27:44 +0200 To: liz@ubermorgen.com From: lizvlx Subject: Fwd: RE: voteauction - video from 24.10.2000 - burden of proof Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 332 Hi, This email request is not one I handle. You can contact CNN's public information line @ 404-827-2030 and they can assist you. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: ubermorgen.com [mailto:office@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:22 AM To: Tom, Allison Subject: voteauction - video from 24.10.2000 - burden of proof video - 24th october - voteauction - tv show "burden of proof" dear alison, hans took part in the discussion about voteauction in the tv show "burden of proof", released by cnn on the 24th october. unfortunately we have problems downloading the whole video and therefore we would be very pleased if you could help us. do you think there is a possibility to send us the whole tv show on video to the following address:: ubermorgen.com kurrentgasse 10/22 1010 vienna, austria or to send us any relevant information how we can receive this video. in advance we thank your for your help and kindness many greetings from austria the voteauction public relations office -- . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-6148108. . . .ema moni@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 92010402 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed May 9 13:15:10 2001 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010204140445.0292a0b0@mail.paradigm4.com.au> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010204140445.0292a0b0@mail.paradigm4.com.au> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:24:10 +0200 To: ke From: lizvlx Subject: Re: voteauction.cx = 62.116.31.68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 333 thats's NS1.SIL.AT 194.152.178.1 NS2.SIL.AT 194.152.178.10 best liz >i'll need the dns details >cheers >karen >--- lizvlx wrote: > > the entries are all set up. > > thanx > > liz > > From voteauction@ubermorgen03.ubermorgen.com Wed Oct 17 10:49:17 2001 +0200 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailliz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 60405 invoked by uid 4004); 16 Oct 2001 14:17:13 -0000 Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com Received: (qmail 60398 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2001 14:17:13 -0000 Received: from tk212017123182.teleweb.at (HELO ?192.168.0.12?) (212.17.123.182) by mail.ubermorgen.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2001 14:17:13 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BB4D23F.84099CBB@concentric.net> References: <3BB4D23F.84099CBB@concentric.net> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:21:02 +0200 To: mger@concentric.net From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" Subject: Re: Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 334 >Hello, dear michael > It seems that I have a novel Monetopia (Domhan Books, 2001), which is >a political satire on the very subject of your seb site. The satire is >based on imposing the free market on the polity, where votes become >monetary assets. great to hear from you.. we are very keen on reading your book asap... > Is there any way that I could get a link up on your site? The first >chapter of the novel can be read at >http://www.atsweb.neu.edu/polisci/m.gerace/index.htm sure, will implement a link from our current frontpage to the first chapter of your novel as soon as we have checked it out; will take a bit of time. > Thanks very much thank you! best regards hans a. bernhard [V]ote-auction >Michael P. Gerace -- . . 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(212.17.123.182) by mail.ubermorgen.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 18:34:27 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mailhans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003201c15762$f94143a0$1c78d63f@Default> References: <001f01c15057$1c8c0600$e678d63f@Default><004501c15551$be7f24c0$ee4cd63f@Default> <003201c15762$f94143a0$1c78d63f@Default> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:34:42 +0200 To: "James Baumgartner" From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: document exchange Cc: liz@ubermorgen.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 335 dear jaMes; >American TV was showing the towers collapsing again and again on the >eleventh. With each repetition of the footage, it seemed less and less >real. There were 4 or 5 movies in the 90's that featured the >distruction of Manhattan by tidal wave, comet, asteroids or aliens. >Each time the collapse was shown, it became more and more like that. >I need to drive down there sometime soon to see it for myself. oh yeah,, you have it easy there... just some hours to go to see it.. a friend of mine was in chinatown visiting a friend, when the towers collapsed, he had free view very close, he said it was as abstract as on television. >I'll make copies of the latest stuff from the Chicago case. There hasn't >been anything new in 4-5 months. It's getting frustrating, I wish they >would just wrap it up. oh that would be very nice. because the last chicago mail we got is about 8 month ago and since we had no idea what was rolling.. so it is interesting/important for us to get copies for legal reasons too... so we have some idea what is going on there.. >Have you had any other art gallery shows aside from the Aldrich? no, no more shows.. but we did some presentations, last one was in vienna some days ago, very very small, a panel on online voting.. we showed the CNN video and described the action.. it was good, because it was a good crowd that discussed the issue along with a media theoretician and a politics scientist.. next week i will talk in basle at the viper festival, just a quick [V]ote-auction presentation for the internat. competition there.. will let you know how it went.. and if we got the price :) >So far, I've given presentations about voteauction.com at New York >University, Massachusetts College of Art (Boston, MA), Skidmore College >(Saratoga Springs, NY), Boston Cyberarts Festival, Artists >Television Access (San Francisco, CA), Zeitgeist Gallery (Cambridge, >MA), The BookMill (Montague, MA), and the Montehermoso Cutural >Centre (Vitoria, Spain.) and I have one more coming up at Ithaca >College (Ithaca, NY). I was hoping to do more, but I'm not so good >at self-promotion. I really need to find a gallery or University in >Chicago that will invite me to give a presentation there. I'll just >have to watch out for cops in the audience! boahh.. you did a lot of talks, cool.. i heared that you did some stuff through rtmark and this other guy i met in berlin.. yeah.. we should join forces there, so we might be able to "bring" you to europe for a lecture/ some lectures, and then we can talk about the issues/history we can not talk over email/telephone, etc.. i keep that in mind.. for me, it is important that we share the credits for this action. we always give a lot of attention that your name is clearly shown wherever possible, so we dont appear as the only authors/executors of this project. sometimes it doesnt work properly, but we do pay attention because we are clear about your authorship and invention of the original v-a. we had some minor confusion with RTMark.com and with a salon.com article, where ubermorgen was not mentioned at all, but even worse, hans a. bernhard was described as rtmark-agent, which i am clearly not.. and the ubermorgen credits on rtmark.com in the vote-auction section took us about 3 months to get them in.. i think many ppl think it was an RTMark.com action.. which i believe is not really good for you nor for us.. for us the credits are important, because we took a lot of risk, invested a lot of money and time and energy into the project, and still we are working on it, distributing infos, answering emails, etc.. etc.. and the same counts for you, you took risk, you used money and time.. and you need the credits/visibility, so ppl will know who were the masterminds of this absolutely fucking fantastic media hack.. how do you wanna handle this credits etc.. ? how do you wanna handle this in the future? anyway.. today i went to the copy-shop for an hour and blew all the documents through.. i send them off per confirmed mail tomorrow morning. should take about 4-8 days max to arrive in jamaica plain. also i put in a little gift for you, a special thing... ok, looking forward to hear from you, looking fwd to see all the video footage.. looking forward to meet you one day; yourZ truly; hans_e -- ____ net_CALLBOY h_e hans_extrem __legal ETOy.HANS ____ fuckmail hans@ubermorgen.com losticq 38302022 ____ pgp0xBA42D1B7 handl HB13447-RIPE 436769300061 ____ BRAINHARD;etoy, play@ubermorgen.com ; WORDWAR "make no mistake, networking is not working!" ____ http://www.bmdi.de property of_ fuck innenm.; ____ http://www.brainhard.com ya;uaaaahhh>; alkoh; ____ http://press.etoy.com/mail/01_01_14.html popS ____ http://www.ubermorgen.com/WORDWAR revol_1995 ____ http://www.naziline.com THE TRUE STORY ABOUT; ____ http://vote-auction.net [V]ote-auctionhiSTORY "we make money"