Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:46:07 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY , James M Baumgartner , pr@voteauction.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT URGENT OPPORTUNITY And for a limited time only, RTMark will pay 99.999999%--yes, ninety-nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine percent--of the hundred million dollar or rupee or ATS cost of the site plus James... leaving you with virtually only pennies to pay! Or something like that. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >Dear Hans: > >Thank you very much for the videotape- it came in the mail- we are looking forward to seeing it! > >now- we have a SPECTACULAR.EMERGENCY offer for you. How would you like to be the proud owner of voteauction.com, an impressive new e-business ( which, by the way, is being listed as project VOTE on the rtmark site.) > >here is some recent press on the business: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/18/internet.vote/index.html > >as you can see, it is thriving- however, there is some trouble brewing for proprietor James Baumgartner- see below: > >>>Just got a call from Douglas Kellner at (212) 889-2121 NYC Election Commission, who basically said "What, are you nuts?" He told me that the NYC DA is looking into it as well as the State Board of Elections. He told me that this is highly illegal and that they are not treating this as a joke. He said he wanted to talk to me before he "went nuts on it". He informed me that there are two crimes included in the NYS constitution: and one is selling votes. He also said that numerous provisions of the election law were involved and that these were felony offenses. He said that the site would be shut down and that subpeonas would be issued unless we did something fairly quickly. > >anyway, bad people are threatening to throw innocent entrepreneur James in jail for his activities. For hinm, thats a problem, but for you, AN OPPORTUNITY! > >If you can purchase www.voteauction.com from James, it moves the operation offshore, so to speak. Its then a question of international law, and it turns the page to the next chapter of the voteauction.com saga, which otherwise could be stopped dead in the water. > >I am sure Mr. Baumgartner could work out a favorable price. He has 200 Voters who have registered in the past 24 Hours! This could be a really thriving business soon! I'll bet he'll sell it to you for say, a few hundred thousand rupees, or dollars, or ATS. > >You could even retain his services to help run voteauction.com, thats how good a deal it could be! > >This could mean talking to a few reporters... other than that, working out a business transaction quickly to buy the domain and site from him.... > >so what do you say, are you up for a game of "hot potato"? > >please let us know asap- this opportunity is very, very timely! > >THANKS! > >Frank Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:25:30 -0500 To: net_CALLBOY From: frank guerrero Subject: IMPORTANT URGENT OPPORTUNITY Cc: RTMark admin , James M Baumgartner , pr@voteauction.com Dear Hans: Thank you very much for the videotape- it came in the mail- we are looking forward to seeing it! now- we have a SPECTACULAR.EMERGENCY offer for you. How would you like to be the proud owner of voteauction.com, an impressive new e-business ( which, by the way, is being listed as project VOTE on the rtmark site.) here is some recent press on the business: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/18/internet.vote/index.html as you can see, it is thriving- however, there is some trouble brewing for proprietor James Baumgartner- see below: >>Just got a call from Douglas Kellner at (212) 889-2121 NYC Election Commission, who basically said "What, are you nuts?" He told me that the NYC DA is looking into it as well as the State Board of Elections. He told me that this is highly illegal and that they are not treating this as a joke. He said he wanted to talk to me before he "went nuts on it". He informed me that there are two crimes included in the NYS constitution: and one is selling votes. He also said that numerous provisions of the election law were involved and that these were felony offenses. He said that the site would be shut down and that subpeonas would be issued unless we did something fairly quickly. anyway, bad people are threatening to throw innocent entrepreneur James in jail for his activities. For hinm, thats a problem, but for you, AN OPPORTUNITY! If you can purchase www.voteauction.com from James, it moves the operation offshore, so to speak. Its then a question of international law, and it turns the page to the next chapter of the voteauction.com saga, which otherwise could be stopped dead in the water. I am sure Mr. Baumgartner could work out a favorable price. He has 200 Voters who have registered in the past 24 Hours! This could be a really thriving business soon! I'll bet he'll sell it to you for say, a few hundred thousand rupees, or dollars, or ATS. You could even retain his services to help run voteauction.com, thats how good a deal it could be! This could mean talking to a few reporters... other than that, working out a business transaction quickly to buy the domain and site from him.... so what do you say, are you up for a game of "hot potato"? please let us know asap- this opportunity is very, very timely! THANKS! Frank Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:46:24 +0200 To: frank guerrero From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! Cc: ray@rtmark.com, James M Baumgartner , pr@voteauction.com Dear Hans: dear frank hope the videotape format suits your needs, its pal DV; let me know when you have seen it; if itZ ok! THANK YOU FOR THIS OFFER! i am highly interested in this buying opportunity! [please send me a url where we can check out the content of the site.. on voteauction.com i only find a cgi-bin dir..] we should arrange domain-name transfer and server- hosting transfer asap. my offer for the domain would be EURO 1.-- [which equals usd 1.--], although the value should be estimated at about 3.000.000.000 austrian rupia, the hosting of the web-site on our server-farm would for free. i am just checking with my lawyers regarding the legal side effects. due to my american passport i have to be personally thoughtfull.. but we will find a nice and easy solution.. will call you/mail you within 24hours with a solution for that [might quick-found a small foundation/ association or some legal body]. please have James Baumgartner pre-arrange the terms of handing-over the domain [this is quite complex, you need to contact domain registrar and find out how to technically do the transfer within a short period of time]; i would also absolutely like to retain mr. j. baumgarnters services to help run voteauction.com! ok, let me know about domain-transfer.. i will contact you asap regarding name, address for the domain-owner/admin/tech-contact, and the server- ip and ftp-access to where the domain and the docs should be transfered; greetZ from the offshore-austria hans_extrem/etoy.HANS Thank you very much for the videotape- it came in the mail- we are looking forward to seeing it! now- we have a SPECTACULAR.EMERGENCY offer for you. How would you like to be the proud owner of voteauction.com, an impressive new e-business ( which, by the way, is being listed as project VOTE on the rtmark site.) here is some recent press on the business: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/18/internet.vote/index.html as you can see, it is thriving- however, there is some trouble brewing for proprietor James Baumgartner- see below: Just got a call from Douglas Kellner at (212) 889-2121 NYC Election Commission, who basically said "What, are you nuts?" He told me that the NYC DA is looking into it as well as the State Board of Elections. He told me that this is highly illegal and that they are not treating this as a joke. He said he wanted to talk to me before he "went nuts on it". He informed me that there are two crimes included in the NYS constitution: and one is selling votes. He also said that numerous provisions of the election law were involved and that these were felony offenses. He said that the site would be shut down and that subpeonas would be issued unless we did something fairly quickly. anyway, bad people are threatening to throw innocent entrepreneur James in jail for his activities. For hinm, thats a problem, but for you, AN OPPORTUNITY! If you can purchase www.voteauction.com from James, it moves the operation offshore, so to speak. Its then a question of international law, and it turns the page to the next chapter of the voteauction.com saga, which otherwise could be stopped dead in the water. I am sure Mr. Baumgartner could work out a favorable price. He has 200 Voters who have registered in the past 24 Hours! This could be a really thriving business soon! I'll bet he'll sell it to you for say, a few hundred thousand rupees, or dollars, or ATS. You could even retain his services to help run voteauction.com, thats how good a deal it could be! This could mean talking to a few reporters... other than that, working out a business transaction quickly to buy the domain and site from him.... so what do you say, are you up for a game of "hot potato"? please let us know asap- this opportunity is very, very timely! THANKS! Frank -- 1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 : : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! hans@ubermorgen.com m:+43[0]676.9300061 skim.com ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 uptoart.com /rundfunk webcast /artwaresmartgame http://www.skim.com/radio http://www.uptoart.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:41:06 -0500 To: RTMark admin , frank@rtmark.com, net_CALLBOY From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! (fwd) Greetings Fellas- i have temporarily taken both paul and james off this little corrospondence protect the innocent: I talked to paul this morning, and he still seemed concerned about James' welfare despite this impending sale- I personally think its over-reacting, but he's the lawyer... anyway, since "Hans" has an american passport, may I reccommend first of all that he use a differeent name to represent his interests? Not sure, but perhaps "finding another buyer" whom he could "represent" would be "good." "Yes, its just one more layer to go through." Dont get me wrong, I dont think there will be very REAL legal repercussions from this, but nonetheless it would be good to have this cleaner: ie, the person who buys it should not have an american passport becasue that would make them in some way beholden to some american idea of law, no matter how silly it may be! Paul seems to think that a sale of the domain name still puts James in jeopardy... i dont really think this is the case- paul basically thinks that this independent off-shore interest should merely mirror the site without james knowledge. I think that doesnt really work for the story- I think James should sieze this great business opportunity and sell the site. He hasnt actually bought or sold anyone's vote, he only put up a website. But if he succeeds in selling the website, it proves the viability of his business.... sorry the site isnt up. I advised him to keep it up,... but James is being very (overly) cautious, and to make matters worse he is on his way to Kansas now... I think he should keep the site up until they actually contact him, instead of contacting paul and making telephone threats. Anyway, James is actually en-route to kansas right now, he should bev back on-line this evening to start initiating the terms of the sale. If you can find a good name- Hans, you are the perfect spokesperson for this interest, however perhaps the interest can have another name... anyway, now i will send the other mail to james imploring him to put the site back up! Frank At 11:39 AM -0400 8/19/00, RTMark admin wrote: >This is not final by any means and shouldn't be talked about yet perhaps (or perhaps it should), but thoughtChris and Paul should definitely know about it right now. > >Perhaps it would do to mention that Mr. B. is examining an offer from an Austrian startup for purchase (for an unspecified sum)? > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:46:24 +0200 >From: net_CALLBOY To: frank guerrero >Cc: ray@rtmark.com, James M Baumgartner , pr@voteauction.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! > >>Dear Hans: > >dear frank > >hope the videotape format suits your needs, its pal DV; let me know when you have seen it; if itZ ok! > >THANK YOU FOR THIS OFFER! > >i am highly interested in this buying opportunity! [please send me a url where we can check out the content of the site.. on voteauction.com i only find a cgi-bin dir..] > >we should arrange domain-name transfer and server- hosting transfer asap. my offer for the domain would be EURO 1.-- [which equals usd 1.--], although the value should be estimated at about 3.000.000.000 austrian rupia, the hosting of the web-site on our server-farm would for free. > >i am just checking with my lawyers regarding the legal side effects. due to my american passport i have to be personally thoughtfull.. but we will find a nice and easy solution.. > >will call you/mail you within 24hours with a solution for that [might quick-found a small foundation/ association or some legal body]. > >please have James Baumgartner pre-arrange the terms of handing-over the domain [this is quite complex, you need to contact domain registrar and find out how to technically do the transfer within a short period of time]; i would also absolutely like to retain mr. j. baumgarnters services to help run voteauction.com! > >ok, let me know about domain-transfer.. i will contact you asap regarding name, address for the domain-owner/admin/tech-contact, and the server- ip and ftp-access to where the domain and the docs should be transfered; > >greetZ from the offshore-austria > >hans_extrem/etoy.HANS > > >>Thank you very much for the videotape- it came in the mail- we are looking forward to seeing it! >> >>now- we have a SPECTACULAR.EMERGENCY offer for you. How would you like to be the proud owner of voteauction.com, an impressive new e-business ( which, by the way, is being listed as project VOTE on the rtmark site.) >> >>here is some recent press on the business: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/18/internet.vote/index.html >> >>as you can see, it is thriving- however, there is some trouble brewing for proprietor James Baumgartner- see below: >> >>>>Just got a call from Douglas Kellner at (212) 889-2121 NYC Election Commission, who basically said "What, are you nuts?" He told me that the NYC DA is looking into it as well as the State Board of Elections. He told me that this is highly illegal and that they are not treating this as a joke. He said he wanted to talk to me before he "went nuts on it". He informed me that there are two crimes included in the NYS constitution: and one is selling votes. He also said that numerous provisions of the election law were involved and that these were felony offenses. He said that the site would be shut down and that subpeonas would be issued unless we did something fairly quickly. >> >>anyway, bad people are threatening to throw innocent entrepreneur James in jail for his activities. For hinm, thats a problem, but for you, AN OPPORTUNITY! >> >>If you can purchase www.voteauction.com from James, it moves the operation offshore, so to speak. Its then a question of international law, and it turns the page to the next chapter of the voteauction.com saga, which otherwise could be stopped dead in the water. >> >>I am sure Mr. Baumgartner could work out a favorable price. He has 200 Voters who have registered in the past 24 Hours! This could be a really thriving business soon! I'll bet he'll sell it to you for say, a few hundred thousand rupees, or dollars, or ATS. >> >>You could even retain his services to help run voteauction.com, thats how good a deal it could be! >> >>This could mean talking to a few reporters... other than that, working out a business transaction quickly to buy the domain and site from him.... >> >>so what do you say, are you up for a game of "hot potato"? >> >>please let us know asap- this opportunity is very, very timely! >> >>THANKS! >> >>Frank > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >skim.com ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 uptoart.com >/rundfunk webcast /artwaresmartgame >http://www.skim.com/radio http://www.uptoart.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank guerrero , ray@rtmark.com, pr@voteauction.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! Hans, Thank you for your interest in purchasing voteauction.com. I think that together, we can bring a new dimension to this business enterprise. As you may have heard, voteauction has experienced a few problems with our hosting company, the most important being that we could not gain ftp access to the site in order to properly update it. We felt that it would be better to temporarily bring the site down instead of exposing voteauction to possible criminal prosecution. Along with the sale of the voteauction.com address, we will also include all of the website materials. Currently, we are trying to locate a server on which we can temporarily move the site so that you may see and test the site before you invest your hard-earned Euro in it. If you have a server handy that I could ftp to, perhaps we could create a www.[blahblah].com/voteauction folder where I could place the site for your personal perusal. Please let me know if you have access to such a server. I look forward to working with you in this exciting new election industry! Sincerely, James Baumgartner voteauction.com "Bringing Capitalism and Democracy Closer Together"Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: net_CALLBOY , frank guerrero , ray@rtmark.com, pr@voteauction.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! Hello fellows, RTMark is of course happy to put voteauction.com up as you say, temporarily, for the viewing of Mr. Hans. Sincerely, Cliff Meistersinger http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Hans, > >Thank you for your interest in purchasing voteauction.com. I think that together, we can bring a new dimension to this business enterprise. As you may have heard, voteauction has experienced a few problems with our hosting company, the most important being that we could not gain ftp access to the site in order to properly update it. We felt that it would be better to temporarily bring the site down instead of exposing voteauction to possible criminal prosecution. Along with the sale of the voteauction.com address, we will also include all of the website materials. Currently, we are trying to locate a server on which we can temporarily move the site so that you may see and test the site before you invest your hard-earned Euro in it. If you have a server handy that I could ftp to, perhaps we could create a www.[blahblah].com/voteauction folder where I could place the site for your personal perusal. Please let me know if you have access to such a server. > >I look forward to working with you in this exciting new election industry! > >Sincerely, >James Baumgartner >voteauction.com >"Bringing Capitalism and Democracy Closer Together" Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:02:06 +0200 To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! Cc: frank guerrero , ray@rtmark.com, pr@voteauction.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, hans@ubermorgen.com dear james thank you again for your interest; for ftp-access please use this ftp-address: www.ubermorgen.com login: ftp passw: your email address / i.e. baumgj@rpi.edu --> then goto /pub/transfer.. there you can upload the stuff.. i will then install a voteauction.com folder and vhost, and as soon as the domain points to this address voteauction will be back and online.. meanwhile we can have it under http://www.etxtreme.org/voteauction ; send me an email as soon as you uploaded the stuff.. and i will transfer and install it.. thank you, SIR! WE do also look forward to collaborate with you on this exciting projekt all around the election industry! yours hans_extrem Hans, Thank you for your interest in purchasing voteauction.com. I think that together, we can bring a new dimension to this business enterprise. As you may have heard, voteauction has experienced a few problems with our hosting company, the most important being that we could not gain ftp access to the site in order to properly update it. We felt that it would be better to temporarily bring the site down instead of exposing voteauction to possible criminal prosecution. Along with the sale of the voteauction.com address, we will also include all of the website materials. Currently, we are trying to locate a server on which we can temporarily move the site so that you may see and test the site before you invest your hard-earned Euro in it. If you have a server handy that I could ftp to, perhaps we could create a www.[blahblah].com/voteauction folder where I could place the site for your personal perusal. Please let me know if you have access to such a server. I look forward to working with you in this exciting new election industry! Sincerely, James Baumgartner voteauction.com "Bringing Capitalism and Democracy Closer Together" -- 1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 : : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! hans@ubermorgen.com m:+43[0]676.9300061 skim.com ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 uptoart.com /rundfunk webcast /artwaresmartgame http://www.skim.com/radio http://www.uptoart.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com cc: frank@rtmark.com, ray@rtmark.com Subject: Re: [123DOMAINS] 123domains.com (fwd) Hans, Here is a copy of the form that we will have to fill out to facilitate the transfer (sale) of voteauction.com. I will go to a notary public tomorrow so they can verify my signature. I will then fax it to you, you can sign it and either fax it back to me or directly to domain bank. Before I have my signature verified I will need all of the "New Registrant" information from you. Now that I think about it, we probably won't have to bother with fax machines. I could just scan the document and email it as an attachment. I will work on ftp later today. By the way, there were 82,030 hits for voteauction.com on Thursday, Friday and Saturday alone. I'm sure that number will ramp up once voteauction.com is on a more stable server. James ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:10:57 -0400 From: Christopher Haller To: James Baumgartner Subject: Re: [123DOMAINS] 123domains.com Please see attached form to transfer (sell) the domain name to another individual or business. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Baumgartner" To: Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 1:37 AM Subject: [123DOMAINS] 123domains.com >123DOMAINS BEGIN >============================================= Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by James Baumgartner (baumgj@rpi.edu) on Saturday, August 19, 2000 at 23:37:44 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >Phone: 518-506-7725 > >Comments: I would like to know what steps I will need to go through in order to sell my domain name: voteauction.com > >Submit: Submit > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >============================================= 123DOMAINS END Content-Type: APPLICATION/MSWORD; NAME="Registrant Name Change version 3.0.doc" Content-ID: Content-Description: Attachment converted: hans:Registrant Name Change version (WDBN/MSWD) (00007964) Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: [123DOMAINS] 123domains.com (fwd) Hans, We haven't talked too much about the terms of the sale. The rtmark people mentioned a couple of things, but I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page about this. This is the main component to my MFA thesis, so I would like to retain a certain amount of creative control. I might be hiring another designer to do a complete re-work of the site, and it would be greate to collaborate with you on ideas for growing the business, but I would like to retain some creative control. For legal reasons, I should be hired by your company as "Creative Consultant/ North American Public Relations Director" I will handle the press over here, but once they know that the business has been sold, they may want to talk to the Austrian Corporation that purchased it. Do you want me to give them your email or phone number if they ask? If you do want to talk to the press, we should agree on what the story is. Right now, I like the idea of keeping it as a "rabid capitalist" sort of thing. Perhaps, as an outsider looking at the American Political system, you see it as a corrupt system that you could profit from. You could even cite examples of the US government illegally influencing elections in other countries. I will soon try to ftp. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: net_CALLBOY Subject: sales contract Hans, We should also write up some sort of sales contract for this that is legal and official and such. Also, for the payment, could you mail me an actual 1 Euro bill? If there is not a bill for 1 Euro, then whatever is the smallest denomination. I would like to frame it as part of my thesis presentation. Also, I would like to invite you to my thesis presentation on November 7, 2000 in Albany New York. This is going to be a press conference/presentation of all the documentation from the project. It could be quite interesting. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: FTP Hans, I created a directory: www.ubermorgen.com/pub/transfer/voteauction I tried to view it in a browser, but with no luck. But the files should be there for you to take a look at what we've done so far. There are a few extra files that I accidentally transferred, but they should not get in the way too much. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:39:47 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction temporary Hans, I put voteauction up on a temporary server for your viewing pleasure. 207.49.21.140 JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:12:48 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: frank guerrero cc: RTMark admin , hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: Voteauction.com (fwd) Interview went with Mark Anderson went well. He had talked to NY state election officials who want to take away the voting franchise of anyone who signed up with voteauction who lives in New York, anyways... I told him that the name and the site have been sold to Luzius Bernhard, and I gave Hans' email address. I also said that I would have no further involvement with the activities of the web site and that I was not exactly clear on what Hans intends to do with it, the exact details of the sale have not been worked out, but it is being sold, the paperwork is in the mail, und so weite... Oddly enough, Mark didn't say a word about rtmark, so that is quiet for now. James On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >sorry, have been out of office, will still be out for afternoon, closing some deals. But ditto on all opinions of Ray, i say. Hope interview is going well. Isnt this reporter a friend of pauls? Thant haow he knows about all these "connections" - so count on him knowing alot, rather than nothing, and work backwards from there assuming that we cant hide things from him that he already knows! > >frank > >At 12:15 PM -0400 8/21/00, James M Baumgartner wrote: >>Ray, Frank, Luzius, >> >>Just before I received the fax from Hans, I received a call from Mark Anderson (How did he get this number??!!) I am supposed to do a phone interview with him at 3 PM eastern. I don't know how he discovered the rtmark connection, He asked me about it in the first interview, but I said, no there is no connection to rtmark (perhaps the VOTE project?) >> >>I am considering telling him the whole story. If I continue with this rabid capitalist thing, it could lead to more legal troubles. I'm going to head to the Notary Public now in order to get the transfer papers out today, then I'll come back and work on a new press release and what to say to Mark. >> >>One option, I also own the url "election4sale.com" I am considering setting this up as a documentation of the entire voteauction process. It would also include a sign up for people who believe that it should be legal for them to sell their votes (I'll make it clear that no sale was ever going on, no money being made, etc...) >> >>Election4sale could be chapter 2, >> >>Chapter 3 will be various street actions, similar to what I did in Philly. >> >>We should cc everything to hans@ubermorgen.com so that he knows everything that is going on. >> >>James >> >>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >> >>>so what's the story with rtmark? somehow he found out there's an association, which is fine i suppose.... i was thinking we should tell him simply that rtmark is acting only to facilitate this transfer, and we're trying to distance ourselves from this insofar as it is capitalist and sick??? >>> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:39:23 -0400 >>>From: Mark Anderson To: admin@rtmark.com >>>Subject: Voteauction.com >>> >>>To the ‰ark folks-- >>> >>>I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? >>> >>>I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? >>> >>>I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks for your time, >>> >>>Mark Anderson >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------- >>>Mark K. Anderson >>>Northampton, Mass. >>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>413-586-8961 voice >>>253-399-3201 fax >>> Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: RTMark admin cc: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: urgent: Re: Voteauction.com (fwd) Trail could rival the chicago 7, as long as I get some pro-bono legal help from ACLU or someone like that it could be doable. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >p.s. it's urgent that i tell mark something--so should i just tell him we've come in to smooth over some things and help with logistics, and leave it 100% vague? > >p.p.s. you know, i wouldn't advocate going to jail or anything--but if you *did* get in trouble for this, which i think is super-unlikely, the trial could rival the chicago seven----really a great opportunity for political theater, if you think about it.... > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: > >>Yeah, I got a question from Mark as well. I dunno, I'd vote with just keeping it up until you get an actual letter or something from one of the attacking agencies--at that point, you can decide to come clean and explain the whole thing. >> >>As far as the transfer and all that, it can be kept secret--I can tell Mark that we have not been involved except in the shadiest ways.... Of course, our having been involved *does* make it ring the "political theater" bells, but still, I think those bells should not be rung too loudly. >> >>Again, I would wait until there's actually good reason for you to be worried--right now all you have is some telephone blah blah. When they contact you, then you can act. They won't start by slapping you in jail, surely. But it's up to you. >> >>with election4sale.com, if you insist, you could explain the whole thing and just leave the Austrian connection entirely blank--not mention anything about what happened after you took it down. You could claim that you have accidentally lost ownership of the domain! and have no idea where it is! Then when it surfaces in Austria.... >> >>I think there's still, even now, nothing to be worried about, yet.... >> >>ray >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >> >>>Ray, Frank, Luzius, >>> >>>Just before I received the fax from Hans, I received a call from Mark Anderson (How did he get this number??!!) I am supposed to do a phone interview with him at 3 PM eastern. I don't know how he discovered the rtmark connection, He asked me about it in the first interview, but I said, no there is no connection to rtmark (perhaps the VOTE project?) >>> >>>I am considering telling him the whole story. If I continue with this rabid capitalist thing, it could lead to more legal troubles. I'm going to head to the Notary Public now in order to get the transfer papers out today, then I'll come back and work on a new press release and what to say to Mark. >>> >>>One option, I also own the url "election4sale.com" I am considering setting this up as a documentation of the entire voteauction process. It would also include a sign up for people who believe that it should be legal for them to sell their votes (I'll make it clear that no sale was ever going on, no money being made, etc...) >>> >>>Election4sale could be chapter 2, >>> >>>Chapter 3 will be various street actions, similar to what I did in Philly. >>> >>>We should cc everything to hans@ubermorgen.com so that he knows everything that is going on. >>> >>>James >>> >>>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>> >>>>so what's the story with rtmark? somehow he found out there's an association, which is fine i suppose.... i was thinking we should tell him simply that rtmark is acting only to facilitate this transfer, and we're trying to distance ourselves from this insofar as it is capitalist and sick??? >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:39:23 -0400 >>>>From: Mark Anderson To: admin@rtmark.com >>>>Subject: Voteauction.com >>>> >>>>To the ÆÅark folks-- >>>> >>>>I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? >>>> >>>>I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? >>>> >>>>I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. >>>> >>>>Thanks for your time, >>>> >>>>Mark Anderson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------- >>>>Mark K. Anderson >>>>Northampton, Mass. >>>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>>413-586-8961 voice >>>>253-399-3201 fax >>>> >>> >>> >> >> Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:53:45 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: frank@rtmark.com, ray@rtmark.com, vamosi@rpi.edu, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: voteauction.com (fwd) hmmm, I never saw Joe Menn actually run an article on this, why should he get the inside scoop, just because he laughed at me during the interview? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:33:22 -0700 From: Joseph.Menn@latimes.com To: James M Baumgartner Subject: Re: voteauction.com Hi James, Are you still playing this straight or would you like to come clean? Best, Joe MennDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: urgent: Re: Voteauction.com (fwd) p.s. it's urgent that i tell mark something--so should i just tell him we've come in to smooth over some things and help with logistics, and leave it 100% vague? p.p.s. you know, i wouldn't advocate going to jail or anything--but if you *did* get in trouble for this, which i think is super-unlikely, the trial could rival the chicago seven----really a great opportunity for political theater, if you think about it.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >Yeah, I got a question from Mark as well. I dunno, I'd vote with just keeping it up until you get an actual letter or something from one of the attacking agencies--at that point, you can decide to come clean and explain the whole thing. > >As far as the transfer and all that, it can be kept secret--I can tell Mark that we have not been involved except in the shadiest ways.... Of course, our having been involved *does* make it ring the "political theater" bells, but still, I think those bells should not be rung too loudly. > >Again, I would wait until there's actually good reason for you to be worried--right now all you have is some telephone blah blah. When they contact you, then you can act. They won't start by slapping you in jail, surely. But it's up to you. > >with election4sale.com, if you insist, you could explain the whole thing and just leave the Austrian connection entirely blank--not mention anything about what happened after you took it down. You could claim that you have accidentally lost ownership of the domain! and have no idea where it is! Then when it surfaces in Austria.... > >I think there's still, even now, nothing to be worried about, yet.... > >ray > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: > >>Ray, Frank, Luzius, >> >>Just before I received the fax from Hans, I received a call from Mark Anderson (How did he get this number??!!) I am supposed to do a phone interview with him at 3 PM eastern. I don't know how he discovered the rtmark connection, He asked me about it in the first interview, but I said, no there is no connection to rtmark (perhaps the VOTE project?) >> >>I am considering telling him the whole story. If I continue with this rabid capitalist thing, it could lead to more legal troubles. I'm going to head to the Notary Public now in order to get the transfer papers out today, then I'll come back and work on a new press release and what to say to Mark. >> >>One option, I also own the url "election4sale.com" I am considering setting this up as a documentation of the entire voteauction process. It would also include a sign up for people who believe that it should be legal for them to sell their votes (I'll make it clear that no sale was ever going on, no money being made, etc...) >> >>Election4sale could be chapter 2, >> >>Chapter 3 will be various street actions, similar to what I did in Philly. >> >>We should cc everything to hans@ubermorgen.com so that he knows everything that is going on. >> >>James >> >>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >> >>>so what's the story with rtmark? somehow he found out there's an association, which is fine i suppose.... i was thinking we should tell him simply that rtmark is acting only to facilitate this transfer, and we're trying to distance ourselves from this insofar as it is capitalist and sick??? >>> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:39:23 -0400 >>>From: Mark Anderson To: admin@rtmark.com >>>Subject: Voteauction.com >>> >>>To the ÆÅark folks-- >>> >>>I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? >>> >>>I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? >>> >>>I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks for your time, >>> >>>Mark Anderson >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------- >>>Mark K. Anderson >>>Northampton, Mass. >>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>413-586-8961 voice >>>253-399-3201 fax >>> >> >> > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:06:27 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: fax received Hans, I received your fax, I am going to the notary public now in order to get it verified, sent by FedEx, etc.. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu Reply-To: James M Baumgartner To: RTMark admin cc: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: Voteauction.com (fwd) Ray, Frank, Luzius, Just before I received the fax from Hans, I received a call from Mark Anderson (How did he get this number??!!) I am supposed to do a phone interview with him at 3 PM eastern. I don't know how he discovered the rtmark connection, He asked me about it in the first interview, but I said, no there is no connection to rtmark (perhaps the VOTE project?) I am considering telling him the whole story. If I continue with this rabid capitalist thing, it could lead to more legal troubles. I'm going to head to the Notary Public now in order to get the transfer papers out today, then I'll come back and work on a new press release and what to say to Mark. One option, I also own the url "election4sale.com" I am considering setting this up as a documentation of the entire voteauction process. It would also include a sign up for people who believe that it should be legal for them to sell their votes (I'll make it clear that no sale was ever going on, no money being made, etc...) Election4sale could be chapter 2, Chapter 3 will be various street actions, similar to what I did in Philly. We should cc everything to hans@ubermorgen.com so that he knows everything that is going on. James On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >so what's the story with rtmark? somehow he found out there's an association, which is fine i suppose.... i was thinking we should tell him simply that rtmark is acting only to facilitate this transfer, and we're trying to distance ourselves from this insofar as it is capitalist and sick??? > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:39:23 -0400 >From: Mark Anderson To: admin@rtmark.com >Subject: Voteauction.com > >To the ÆÅark folks-- > >I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? > >I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? > >I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. > >Thanks for your time, > >Mark Anderson > > > >---------------- >Mark K. Anderson >Northampton, Mass. >mkanders@javanet.com >413-586-8961 voice >253-399-3201 fax Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:42:00 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: Voteauction.com (fwd) Yeah, I got a question from Mark as well. I dunno, I'd vote with just keeping it up until you get an actual letter or something from one of the attacking agencies--at that point, you can decide to come clean and explain the whole thing. As far as the transfer and all that, it can be kept secret--I can tell Mark that we have not been involved except in the shadiest ways.... Of course, our having been involved *does* make it ring the "political theater" bells, but still, I think those bells should not be rung too loudly. Again, I would wait until there's actually good reason for you to be worried--right now all you have is some telephone blah blah. When they contact you, then you can act. They won't start by slapping you in jail, surely. But it's up to you. with election4sale.com, if you insist, you could explain the whole thing and just leave the Austrian connection entirely blank--not mention anything about what happened after you took it down. You could claim that you have accidentally lost ownership of the domain! and have no idea where it is! Then when it surfaces in Austria.... I think there's still, even now, nothing to be worried about, yet.... ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Ray, Frank, Luzius, > >Just before I received the fax from Hans, I received a call from Mark Anderson (How did he get this number??!!) I am supposed to do a phone interview with him at 3 PM eastern. I don't know how he discovered the rtmark connection, He asked me about it in the first interview, but I said, no there is no connection to rtmark (perhaps the VOTE project?) > >I am considering telling him the whole story. If I continue with this rabid capitalist thing, it could lead to more legal troubles. I'm going to head to the Notary Public now in order to get the transfer papers out today, then I'll come back and work on a new press release and what to say to Mark. > >One option, I also own the url "election4sale.com" I am considering setting this up as a documentation of the entire voteauction process. It would also include a sign up for people who believe that it should be legal for them to sell their votes (I'll make it clear that no sale was ever going on, no money being made, etc...) > >Election4sale could be chapter 2, > >Chapter 3 will be various street actions, similar to what I did in Philly. > >We should cc everything to hans@ubermorgen.com so that he knows everything that is going on. > >James > >On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: > >>so what's the story with rtmark? somehow he found out there's an association, which is fine i suppose.... i was thinking we should tell him simply that rtmark is acting only to facilitate this transfer, and we're trying to distance ourselves from this insofar as it is capitalist and sick??? >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:39:23 -0400 >>From: Mark Anderson To: admin@rtmark.com >>Subject: Voteauction.com >> >>To the ÆÅark folks-- >> >>I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? >> >>I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? >> >>I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. >> >>Thanks for your time, >> >>Mark Anderson >> >> >> >>---------------- >>Mark K. Anderson >>Northampton, Mass. >>mkanders@javanet.com >>413-586-8961 voice >>253-399-3201 fax >> > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.net Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:24:41 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: frank@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, hans@ubermorgen.net Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! (fwd) okeedoke, let james not crow, let james not crow. we can have a middleman do some crowing if crowing is necessary. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:29:17 -0400 From: paul rapp To: RTMark admin Cc: Chris Cutter , James M Baumgartner , frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! (fwd) James should not participate in this, unless he wants law enforcement to come down on him. If etoy wants to copy the concept, or run a mirror site, that is their business, but if J participates (and crows about it) I think it could have some very bad consequences.... RTMark admin wrote: >This is not final by any means and shouldn't be talked about yet perhaps (or perhaps it should), but thoughtChris and Paul should definitely know about it right now. > >Perhaps it would do to mention that Mr. B. is examining an offer from an Austrian startup for purchase (for an unspecified sum)? > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:46:24 +0200 >From: net_CALLBOY To: frank guerrero >Cc: ray@rtmark.com, James M Baumgartner , pr@voteauction.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! > >>Dear Hans: > >dear frank > >hope the videotape format suits your needs, its pal DV; let me know when you have seen it; if itZ ok! > >THANK YOU FOR THIS OFFER! > >i am highly interested in this buying opportunity! [please send me a url where we can check out the content of the site.. on voteauction.com i only find a cgi-bin dir..] > >we should arrange domain-name transfer and server- hosting transfer asap. my offer for the domain would be EURO 1.-- [which equals usd 1.--], although the value should be estimated at about 3.000.000.000 austrian rupia, the hosting of the web-site on our server-farm would for free. > >i am just checking with my lawyers regarding the legal side effects. due to my american passport i have to be personally thoughtfull.. but we will find a nice and easy solution.. > >will call you/mail you within 24hours with a solution for that [might quick-found a small foundation/ association or some legal body]. > >please have James Baumgartner pre-arrange the terms of handing-over the domain [this is quite complex, you need to contact domain registrar and find out how to technically do the transfer within a short period of time]; i would also absolutely like to retain mr. j. baumgarnters services to help run voteauction.com! > >ok, let me know about domain-transfer.. i will contact you asap regarding name, address for the domain-owner/admin/tech-contact, and the server- ip and ftp-access to where the domain and the docs should be transfered; > >greetZ from the offshore-austria > >hans_extrem/etoy.HANS > >>Thank you very much for the videotape- it came in the mail- we are looking forward to seeing it! >> >>now- we have a SPECTACULAR.EMERGENCY offer for you. How would you like to be the proud owner of voteauction.com, an impressive new e-business ( which, by the way, is being listed as project VOTE on the rtmark site.) >> >>here is some recent press on the business: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/18/internet.vote/index.html >> >>as you can see, it is thriving- however, there is some trouble brewing for proprietor James Baumgartner- see below: >> >>>>Just got a call from Douglas Kellner at (212) 889-2121 NYC Election Commission, who basically said "What, are you nuts?" He told me that the NYC DA is looking into it as well as the State Board of Elections. He told me that this is highly illegal and that they are not treating this as a joke. He said he wanted to talk to me before he "went nuts on it". He informed me that there are two crimes included in the NYS constitution: and one is selling votes. He also said that numerous provisions of the election law were involved and that these were felony offenses. He said that the site would be shut down and that subpeonas would be issued unless we did something fairly quickly. >> >>anyway, bad people are threatening to throw innocent entrepreneur James in jail for his activities. For hinm, thats a problem, but for you, AN OPPORTUNITY! >> >>If you can purchase www.voteauction.com from James, it moves the operation offshore, so to speak. Its then a question of international law, and it turns the page to the next chapter of the voteauction.com saga, which otherwise could be stopped dead in the water. >> >>I am sure Mr. Baumgartner could work out a favorable price. He has 200 Voters who have registered in the past 24 Hours! This could be a really thriving business soon! I'll bet he'll sell it to you for say, a few hundred thousand rupees, or dollars, or ATS. >> >>You could even retain his services to help run voteauction.com, thats how good a deal it could be! >> >>This could mean talking to a few reporters... other than that, working out a business transaction quickly to buy the domain and site from him.... >> >>so what do you say, are you up for a game of "hot potato"? >> >>please let us know asap- this opportunity is very, very timely! >> >>THANKS! >> >>Frank > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >skim.com ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 uptoart.com >/rundfunk webcast /artwaresmartgame >http://www.skim.com/radio http://www.uptoart.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: documents in the age of mechanical reprocution. Hans (or should I call you Luzius?) I was about to have my signature verified by a local dignitary when I noticed a clause in the Domain Bank contract. "You must send an original Transfer Request form to the address above" I called Domain Bank to ask them what they meant by "original" and they said that you would have to sign the document first, then fax it (or email attachment) to me, then I could have my signiture verified, then I have to mail it to Domain Bank. So you'll need to print your own copy, sign it, and fax it to 1-417-779-4766, or email attachment to djlicious@mail.com. (I can't get attachments with this address.) JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank@rtmark.com, ray@rtmark.com, vamosi@rpi.edu, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: voteauction.com (fwd) i fucking hate the l.a. times--they're really a bunch of creeps, from what i can tell.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >hmmm, > >I never saw Joe Menn actually run an article on this, why should he get the inside scoop, just because he laughed at me during the interview? > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:33:22 -0700 >From: Joseph.Menn@latimes.com >To: James M Baumgartner Subject: Re: voteauction.com > > >Hi James, >Are you still playing this straight or would you like to come clean? Best, >Joe Menn Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:25:26 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: Mark Anderson Subject: Re: Voteauction.com Hi Mark, So sorry for the delay, just got your message, it's been rather hectic around here (knock on wood). Our involvement with voteauction.com was minimal. We acted as facilitators in one or two instances in order to assure a healthy outcome that might benefit all. We are sorry to hear it is down, but we have every reason to believe it will be back up soon. We believe it has an important mission, and we hope it fulfills it. Thanks, Cliff Cushion http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Mark Anderson wrote: >To the ÆÅark folks-- > >I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? > >I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? > >I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. > >Thanks for your time, > >Mark Anderson > > > >---------------- >Mark K. Anderson >Northampton, Mass. >mkanders@javanet.com >413-586-8961 voice >253-399-3201 fax > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank guerrero , hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: Voteauction.com (fwd) okay then, will just answer him very vaguely, essentially not there at all. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Interview went with Mark Anderson went well. He had talked to NY state election officials who want to take away the voting franchise of anyone who signed up with voteauction who lives in New York, anyways... I told him that the name and the site have been sold to Luzius Bernhard, and I gave Hans' email address. I also said that I would have no further involvement with the activities of the web site and that I was not exactly clear on what Hans intends to do with it, the exact details of the sale have not been worked out, but it is being sold, the paperwork is in the mail, und so weite... > >Oddly enough, Mark didn't say a word about rtmark, so that is quiet for now. > >James > >On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, frank guerrero wrote: > >>sorry, have been out of office, will still be out for afternoon, closing some deals. But ditto on all opinions of Ray, i say. Hope interview is going well. Isnt this reporter a friend of pauls? Thant haow he knows about all these "connections" - so count on him knowing alot, rather than nothing, and work backwards from there assuming that we cant hide things from him that he already knows! >> >>frank >> >>At 12:15 PM -0400 8/21/00, James M Baumgartner wrote: >>>Ray, Frank, Luzius, >>> >>>Just before I received the fax from Hans, I received a call from Mark Anderson (How did he get this number??!!) I am supposed to do a phone interview with him at 3 PM eastern. I don't know how he discovered the rtmark connection, He asked me about it in the first interview, but I said, no there is no connection to rtmark (perhaps the VOTE project?) >>> >>>I am considering telling him the whole story. If I continue with this rabid capitalist thing, it could lead to more legal troubles. I'm going to head to the Notary Public now in order to get the transfer papers out today, then I'll come back and work on a new press release and what to say to Mark. >>> >>>One option, I also own the url "election4sale.com" I am considering setting this up as a documentation of the entire voteauction process. It would also include a sign up for people who believe that it should be legal for them to sell their votes (I'll make it clear that no sale was ever going on, no money being made, etc...) >>> >>>Election4sale could be chapter 2, >>> >>>Chapter 3 will be various street actions, similar to what I did in Philly. >>> >>>We should cc everything to hans@ubermorgen.com so that he knows everything that is going on. >>> >>>James >>> >>>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>> >>>>so what's the story with rtmark? somehow he found out there's an association, which is fine i suppose.... i was thinking we should tell him simply that rtmark is acting only to facilitate this transfer, and we're trying to distance ourselves from this insofar as it is capitalist and sick??? >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:39:23 -0400 >>>>From: Mark Anderson To: admin@rtmark.com >>>>Subject: Voteauction.com >>>> >>>>To the ‰ark folks-- >>>> >>>>I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? >>>> >>>>I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? >>>> >>>>I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. >>>> >>>>Thanks for your time, >>>> >>>>Mark Anderson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------- >>>>Mark K. Anderson >>>>Northampton, Mass. >>>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>>413-586-8961 voice >>>>253-399-3201 fax >>>> >> > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:17:35 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank guerrero , hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: Voteauction.com (fwd) p.s. hans, if you don't want your real name used, better jump on mark right now before he prints it.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Interview went with Mark Anderson went well. He had talked to NY state election officials who want to take away the voting franchise of anyone who signed up with voteauction who lives in New York, anyways... I told him that the name and the site have been sold to Luzius Bernhard, and I gave Hans' email address. I also said that I would have no further involvement with the activities of the web site and that I was not exactly clear on what Hans intends to do with it, the exact details of the sale have not been worked out, but it is being sold, the paperwork is in the mail, und so weite... > >Oddly enough, Mark didn't say a word about rtmark, so that is quiet for now. > >James > >On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, frank guerrero wrote: > >>sorry, have been out of office, will still be out for afternoon, closing some deals. But ditto on all opinions of Ray, i say. Hope interview is going well. Isnt this reporter a friend of pauls? Thant haow he knows about all these "connections" - so count on him knowing alot, rather than nothing, and work backwards from there assuming that we cant hide things from him that he already knows! >> >>frank >> >>At 12:15 PM -0400 8/21/00, James M Baumgartner wrote: >>>Ray, Frank, Luzius, >>> >>>Just before I received the fax from Hans, I received a call from Mark Anderson (How did he get this number??!!) I am supposed to do a phone interview with him at 3 PM eastern. I don't know how he discovered the rtmark connection, He asked me about it in the first interview, but I said, no there is no connection to rtmark (perhaps the VOTE project?) >>> >>>I am considering telling him the whole story. If I continue with this rabid capitalist thing, it could lead to more legal troubles. I'm going to head to the Notary Public now in order to get the transfer papers out today, then I'll come back and work on a new press release and what to say to Mark. >>> >>>One option, I also own the url "election4sale.com" I am considering setting this up as a documentation of the entire voteauction process. It would also include a sign up for people who believe that it should be legal for them to sell their votes (I'll make it clear that no sale was ever going on, no money being made, etc...) >>> >>>Election4sale could be chapter 2, >>> >>>Chapter 3 will be various street actions, similar to what I did in Philly. >>> >>>We should cc everything to hans@ubermorgen.com so that he knows everything that is going on. >>> >>>James >>> >>>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>> >>>>so what's the story with rtmark? somehow he found out there's an association, which is fine i suppose.... i was thinking we should tell him simply that rtmark is acting only to facilitate this transfer, and we're trying to distance ourselves from this insofar as it is capitalist and sick??? >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:39:23 -0400 >>>>From: Mark Anderson To: admin@rtmark.com >>>>Subject: Voteauction.com >>>> >>>>To the ‰ark folks-- >>>> >>>>I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? >>>> >>>>I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? >>>> >>>>I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. >>>> >>>>Thanks for your time, >>>> >>>>Mark Anderson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------- >>>>Mark K. Anderson >>>>Northampton, Mass. >>>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>>413-586-8961 voice >>>>253-399-3201 fax >>>> >> > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:02:36 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: willworkforfood@hotmail.com cc: ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, frank@rtmark, admin@rtmark, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction: phase 2 Chris, Frank, Ray, Hans (sorry for redundent info, this is the daily round-up for 8/21) Voteauction has been sold to an investor in Austria, for the time being, I am still the North American Press Contact. I've talked to a couple of journalists today and said that he bought it because he believes that he could reap a profit from the current American Political system. Voteauction was sold for an "undisclosed ammount" (actually, about 1 Euro.) I am starting to craft the next press release to send out and I was wondering if you had any ideas. I'll work on it tonight and send you the draft. Ideas for interview angles would be helpful as well. I talked with Janet Kornblum at USA Today - pretty good interview, I think. I also talked with KPIX-CBS in San Francisco, Mark Anderson at Wirednews, and Billy O'Keefe from TMS campus wire. Fox 4 news in Kansas City was also left a message for me, I called them back, but I haven't heard from them again - they were looking for the local angle which would be cool. That's all the update for now - I'm off to work on the release. Anyone can feel free to email ideas and brainstorms for it. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: Chris Cutter cc: frank guerrero , RTMark admin , hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: putting site up, but disabled. All, I think I am going to put the site up in disabled form. Paul is going out of town tomorrow, so any election officials won't be able to reach him and they will be forced to contact me instead. According to what they told Paul, there is going to be a meeting later this week to discuss "possible action" I'm in a provocative mood. I think that the worst they might do to me is take away my right to vote for this election which would be a perfect statement on everything. BTW: in yesterday's interviews, I'm starting to ride the line a little bit closer to the political theater side than the "rabid capitalist" side. I'm starting to introduce topics such as: the more similar two products are, the more money is spent on advertising. e.g. there's no difference in the nutritional value of Coke and Pepsi, and very little difference in taste, so they spend billions in advertising trying to convince us that there is a difference. The same with Bush and Gore, there is very little difference between the two of them, so they have to spend the millions in order to make it look like they are different. Hans, I'm putting together some quotes for you to say in the latest press release. Here's what I have so far, "There is a great deal of money being spent in the American presidential election," says Luzius Bernhard, new owner of voteauction.com, "I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the American Election Industry. In fact, there are many other new American industries that I am considering investing in, including the Prison Industry and the K-12 Education Industry. America continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor." Hans, let me know if you approve and if you want to make any changes. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:22:07 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: James M Baumgartner , frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: Fwd: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com p.s. it might be nice, when the austrian connection becomes clear, to first alert matt mirapaul of the nytimes--he just lost his column and is sort of sad and could use a lift.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>etoy.Hans > >hi james > >http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355,00.html latest article by mark > >agree on the business side problem with etoy, although the connection has already been made with gwbush.com; so its not a far shot to etoy.. or better said it seems clear now that this is a activist/political/artistic thing.. > >so.. i suggest to push it hard, confusion and on the other side.. stick with the biz-case.. i will.. > >for the name.. dont matter if you use luzius bernhard, as you say.. registration will be easy to find out by whois.. so.. etoy.HANS is best if we stick with etoy attachement, otherwise just use luzius bernhard > >whaddayathink? >hans_e > > > > >>Etoy is pretty famous for its actions including the etoy/etoys thing. If it comes out that etoy is now involved it will make it obvious thta the whole thing was a political action instead of a viable business, but everything was moving that way anyways. I can pretend to be ignorant of etoy's former actions for the time being. ("etoy, what's that? never heard of them.") Everything else looks pretty good, I'd like it to concentrate mostly on the idea that you want to make money off the corrupt American political system, perhaps to fund whatever you want to. I'll start calling you Hans_Extrem from now on in interviews, but once the sale goes through, it will be a matter of public record that Luzius Bernhard owns the domain. >> >>James >> >>On Tue, >>22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>hi james >>>cc: ray/frank >>> >>>just got your press.release insert... will answer that directly to you in a >>>minute.. >>> >>>got some press.requests... >>> >>>could you please feedmeback with infos i can throw and infos i cant.. the draft >>>is attached.. bad english formulations.. hae to work that over...[2nd mail from >>>mark/wirednews + answers]. i would definitely like to use etoy as puffer and to give the story a lot of corporate and pervert power...? whaddayathink? >>> >> >>>i think its better to have etoy.HANS [www.etoyACTION.com] talking/quoted in the press.release.. >>> >>>will upload a etoy.HODLING site on etoyACTION.com tonite.. before the press stuff goes out.. >>> >>>i plan to answer the chicago journalist [1st email] with a compilation of the underneath mentioned stuff.. >>> >>>pls reply asap.. >>> >>>thx hans_e >>> >>>---- >>>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>From: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com >>>>To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>Cc: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com >>>>Subject: VoteAuction.com >>>>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:56:58 -0500 >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I recently spoke to James Baumgartner regarding voteauction.com, and he mentioned that you had decided to buy the domain. I am a reporter for a national college press service, based in Chicago, and am currently doing a write-up on the whole voteauction.com concept. Is there any information you can share with me in regards to the future of voteauction.com and any plans you have for the domain? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. A reply >>>to this address will do just fine. >>>>Thank you, >>>>Billy O'Keefe >>>>Tribune Media Services >>>>Chicago, IL 60068 >>> >>>--- >>> >>> >>>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>Subject: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 15:51:17 -0400 >>>>x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com >>>>From: Mark Anderson To: "Luzius Bernhard" >>>> >>>>Mr. Bernhard-- >>> >>>dear mark >>> >>>the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! >>> >>>please feel free to use one of my various aliases: etoy.HANS, luzius bernhard, hans_extrem, >>> >>>the company i am running is the etoy.CORPORATION holding, http://www.etoyACTION.com, the mother of the several etoy.SUB-COMPANIES [Ltd. companies] >>> >>>I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american >>>election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that I am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. >>> >>>>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >>>> >>>>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? >>> >>>the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer, or better said we would like to control the american election industry as etoy.CORPORATION. we have certain interests... >>> >>>so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! >>> >>>>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? >>> >>>we have been accused by american legal institutions several times over the last years. >>> >>>it all started in 1995/96 with "the digital hijack". the austrian secret service was working on direct-orders from the CIA. they carried out 6am-housesearches, hearings and heavy duty actions by austrian police. the case was dropped after we delivered massive amounts of unuseable data and our lawyers forced the austrian secret service to drop the case or open a formal case. >>> >>>then in 1999 etoy.com was heavily prosecuted for over 100 points in a orange county court. the etoy.com domain was blocked due to the trade-mark conflict with eToys.com, the email-services have been illegally blocked by internic.net on direct request by eToys.com ... etc... also this case was dropped after massive net.resistance. >>> >>>so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be very bloody. but what can you do? worst case scenarios were our etoy.TEST-PILOT lifestyle, our corporate-partner from japan continues to support etoy, therefore.. just dont worry!; we are faster than you think, we are white male middleclass europeans; and we are young! >>> >>>>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? >>> >>>we have both signed the contract including various non- disclosures. >>> >>>>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. >>> >>>best regards >>> >>>etoy.HANS [ceo etoyACTION.com] >>>luzius bernhard / hans_extrem >>> >>>hans@etoyACTION.com >>>http://www.etoyACTION.com >>> >>> >>>>Thank you for your time, >>>> >>>>Mark Anderson >>>>Northampton, Mass. USA >>>>253-399-3201 fax >>>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>> >>>> >>>>(*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html >>> >>>-- >>> >>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>> >>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>> >>> >>> > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY cc: admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: Fwd: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com etoy.Hans Etoy is pretty famous for its actions including the etoy/etoys thing. If it comes out that etoy is now involved it will make it obvious thta the whole thing was a political action instead of a viable business, but everything was moving that way anyways. I can pretend to be ignorant of etoy's former actions for the time being. ("etoy, what's that? never heard of them.") Everything else looks pretty good, I'd like it to concentrate mostly on the idea that you want to make money off the corrupt American political system, perhaps to fund whatever you want to. I'll start calling you Hans_Extrem from now on in interviews, but once the sale goes through, it will be a matter of public record that Luzius Bernhard owns the domain. James On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >hi james >cc: ray/frank > >just got your press.release insert... >will answer that directly to you in a >minute.. > >got some press.requests... > >could you please feedmeback with infos i can throw and infos i cant.. the draft >is attached.. bad english formulations.. hae to work that over...[2nd mail from >mark/wirednews + answers]. i would definitely like to use etoy as puffer and to give the story a lot of corporate and pervert power...? whaddayathink? > >i think its better to have etoy.HANS [www.etoyACTION.com] talking/quoted in the press.release.. > >will upload a etoy.HODLING site on etoyACTION.com tonite.. before the press stuff goes out.. > >i plan to answer the chicago journalist [1st email] with a compilation of the underneath mentioned stuff.. > >pls reply asap.. > >thx hans_e > >---- >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>From: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com >>To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Cc: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com >>Subject: VoteAuction.com >>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:56:58 -0500 >> >>Hello, >> >>I recently spoke to James Baumgartner regarding voteauction.com, and he mentioned that you had decided to buy the domain. I am a reporter for a national college press service, based in Chicago, and am currently doing a write-up on the whole voteauction.com concept. Is there any information you can share with me in regards to the future of voteauction.com and any plans you have for the domain? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. A reply >to this address will do just fine. >>Thank you, >>Billy O'Keefe >>Tribune Media Services >>Chicago, IL 60068 > >--- > > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Subject: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 15:51:17 -0400 >>x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com >>From: Mark Anderson To: "Luzius Bernhard" >> >>Mr. Bernhard-- > >dear mark > >the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! > >please feel free to use one of my various aliases: etoy.HANS, luzius bernhard, hans_extrem, > >the company i am running is the etoy.CORPORATION holding, http://www.etoyACTION.com, the mother of the several etoy.SUB-COMPANIES [Ltd. companies] > >I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that I am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. > >>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >> >>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer, or better said we would like to control the american election industry as etoy.CORPORATION. we have certain interests... > >so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! > >>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >we have been accused by american legal institutions several times over the last years. > >it all started in 1995/96 with "the digital hijack". the austrian secret service was working on direct-orders from the CIA. they carried out 6am-housesearches, hearings and heavy duty actions by austrian police. the case was dropped after we delivered massive amounts of unuseable data and our lawyers forced the austrian secret service to drop the case or open a formal case. > >then in 1999 etoy.com was heavily prosecuted for over 100 points in a orange county court. the etoy.com domain was blocked due to the trade-mark conflict with eToys.com, the email-services have been illegally blocked by internic.net on direct request by eToys.com ... etc... also this case was dropped after massive net.resistance. > >so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be very bloody. but what can you do? worst case scenarios were our etoy.TEST-PILOT lifestyle, our corporate-partner from japan continues to support etoy, therefore.. just dont worry!; we are faster than you think, we are white male middleclass europeans; and we are young! > >>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > >we have both signed the contract including various non- disclosures. > >>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. > >best regards > >etoy.HANS [ceo etoyACTION.com] >luzius bernhard / hans_extrem > >hans@etoyACTION.com >http://www.etoyACTION.com > > >>Thank you for your time, >> >>Mark Anderson >>Northampton, Mass. USA >>253-399-3201 fax >>mkanders@javanet.com >> >> >>(*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:25:37 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: putting site up, but disabled. Right now, voteauction is at a numbered IP site: 207.49.21.140. If you can, feel free to grab all of the materials from there and put it up on etoy, or send me FTP info and I will do it as soon as I can. I'll change your name in all future press contact to etoy.HANS James On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >ey james > >>Hans, I'm putting together some quotes for you to say in the latest press release. Here's what I have so far, "There is a great deal of money being spent in the American presidential election," says Luzius Bernhard, new owner of voteauction.com, "I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the American Election Industry. In fact, there are many other new American industries that I am considering investing in, including the Prison Industry and the K-12 Education Industry. America continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor." >> >>Hans, let me know if you approve and if you want to make any changes. > >we can have the site running immediately on http://www.etoyACTION.com/voteauction/ or under http://www.drhaas.at/voteauction/ or some other domain... >and then as soon as domain bank makes the dns change/owner change.. we can have it fully up on voteauction.com > >text... > >sounds very good! hehehe.. > >only change: ... says Luzius Bernhard .. think should be replaced by ... says etoy.HANS [www.etoyACTION.com] or ... says etoy.HANS/Luzius Bernhard [www.etoyACTION.com] > >wait for your statements regarding etoy involvement.. > >greetZ >hans_e > >> >>James > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: James M Baumgartner , frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: Fwd: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com ... and the etoy connection, if it comes to light too much, is easy to explain if it's rtmark that helped engineer the transfer--the money thing could still be there... it could have been that VOTE was an rtmark project that got fulfilled, unfortunately with a big business slant, but we felt obliged to help.... oh, but better to try to keep this connection quiet anyhow. r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>etoy.Hans > >hi james > >http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355,00.html latest article by mark > >agree on the business side problem with etoy, although the connection has already been made with gwbush.com; so its not a far shot to etoy.. or better said it seems clear now that this is a activist/political/artistic thing.. > >so.. i suggest to push it hard, confusion and on the other side.. stick with the biz-case.. i will.. > >for the name.. dont matter if you use luzius bernhard, as you say.. registration will be easy to find out by whois.. so.. etoy.HANS is best if we stick with etoy attachement, otherwise just use luzius bernhard > >whaddayathink? >hans_e > > > > >>Etoy is pretty famous for its actions including the etoy/etoys thing. If it comes out that etoy is now involved it will make it obvious thta the whole thing was a political action instead of a viable business, but everything was moving that way anyways. I can pretend to be ignorant of etoy's former actions for the time being. ("etoy, what's that? never heard of them.") Everything else looks pretty good, I'd like it to concentrate mostly on the idea that you want to make money off the corrupt American political system, perhaps to fund whatever you want to. I'll start calling you Hans_Extrem from now on in interviews, but once the sale goes through, it will be a matter of public record that Luzius Bernhard owns the domain. >> >>James >> >>On Tue, >>22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>hi james >>>cc: ray/frank >>> >>>just got your press.release insert... will answer that directly to you in a >>>minute.. >>> >>>got some press.requests... >>> >>>could you please feedmeback with infos i can throw and infos i cant.. the draft >>>is attached.. bad english formulations.. hae to work that over...[2nd mail from >>>mark/wirednews + answers]. i would definitely like to use etoy as puffer and to give the story a lot of corporate and pervert power...? whaddayathink? >>> >> >>>i think its better to have etoy.HANS [www.etoyACTION.com] talking/quoted in the press.release.. >>> >>>will upload a etoy.HODLING site on etoyACTION.com tonite.. before the press stuff goes out.. >>> >>>i plan to answer the chicago journalist [1st email] with a compilation of the underneath mentioned stuff.. >>> >>>pls reply asap.. >>> >>>thx hans_e >>> >>>---- >>>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>From: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com >>>>To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>Cc: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com >>>>Subject: VoteAuction.com >>>>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:56:58 -0500 >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I recently spoke to James Baumgartner regarding voteauction.com, and he mentioned that you had decided to buy the domain. I am a reporter for a national college press service, based in Chicago, and am currently doing a write-up on the whole voteauction.com concept. Is there any information you can share with me in regards to the future of voteauction.com and any plans you have for the domain? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. A reply >>>to this address will do just fine. >>>>Thank you, >>>>Billy O'Keefe >>>>Tribune Media Services >>>>Chicago, IL 60068 >>> >>>--- >>> >>> >>>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>Subject: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 15:51:17 -0400 >>>>x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com >>>>From: Mark Anderson To: "Luzius Bernhard" >>>> >>>>Mr. Bernhard-- >>> >>>dear mark >>> >>>the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! >>> >>>please feel free to use one of my various aliases: etoy.HANS, luzius bernhard, hans_extrem, >>> >>>the company i am running is the etoy.CORPORATION holding, http://www.etoyACTION.com, the mother of the several etoy.SUB-COMPANIES [Ltd. companies] >>> >>>I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american >>>election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that I am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. >>> >>>>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >>>> >>>>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? >>> >>>the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer, or better said we would like to control the american election industry as etoy.CORPORATION. we have certain interests... >>> >>>so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! >>> >>>>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? >>> >>>we have been accused by american legal institutions several times over the last years. >>> >>>it all started in 1995/96 with "the digital hijack". the austrian secret service was working on direct-orders from the CIA. they carried out 6am-housesearches, hearings and heavy duty actions by austrian police. the case was dropped after we delivered massive amounts of unuseable data and our lawyers forced the austrian secret service to drop the case or open a formal case. >>> >>>then in 1999 etoy.com was heavily prosecuted for over 100 points in a orange county court. the etoy.com domain was blocked due to the trade-mark conflict with eToys.com, the email-services have been illegally blocked by internic.net on direct request by eToys.com ... etc... also this case was dropped after massive net.resistance. >>> >>>so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be very bloody. but what can you do? worst case scenarios were our etoy.TEST-PILOT lifestyle, our corporate-partner from japan continues to support etoy, therefore.. just dont worry!; we are faster than you think, we are white male middleclass europeans; and we are young! >>> >>>>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? >>> >>>we have both signed the contract including various non- disclosures. >>> >>>>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. >>> >>>best regards >>> >>>etoy.HANS [ceo etoyACTION.com] >>>luzius bernhard / hans_extrem >>> >>>hans@etoyACTION.com >>>http://www.etoyACTION.com >>> >>> >>>>Thank you for your time, >>>> >>>>Mark Anderson >>>>Northampton, Mass. USA >>>>253-399-3201 fax >>>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>> >>>> >>>>(*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html >>> >>>-- >>> >>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>> >>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>> >>> >>> > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank guerrero , hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: urgent: Re: Voteauction.com (fwd) one other thought re: trial: the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes--we just don't want corps. to be able to, any longer, either... never mind--a trial would still be a hoot, and great theater. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Sounds good > > >On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, frank guerrero wrote: > >>i'll drag out the pro-bono list in a few hours, have meeting in three minutes! >> >>At 2:46 PM -0400 8/21/00, James M Baumgartner wrote: >>>Trail could rival the chicago 7, as long as I get some pro-bono legal help from ACLU or someone like that it could be doable. >>> >>> >>>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>> >>>>p.s. it's urgent that i tell mark something--so should i just tell him we've come in to smooth over some things and help with logistics, and leave it 100% vague? >>>> >>>>p.p.s. you know, i wouldn't advocate going to jail or anything--but if you *did* get in trouble for this, which i think is super-unlikely, the trial could rival the chicago seven----really a great opportunity for political theater, if you think about it.... >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>> >>>>>Yeah, I got a question from Mark as well. I dunno, I'd vote with just keeping it up until you get an actual letter or something from one of the attacking agencies--at that point, you can decide to come clean and explain the whole thing. >>>>> >>>>>As far as the transfer and all that, it can be kept secret--I can tell Mark that we have not been involved except in the shadiest ways.... Of course, our having been involved *does* make it ring the "political theater" bells, but still, I think those bells should not be rung too loudly. >>>>> >>>>>Again, I would wait until there's actually good reason for you to be worried--right now all you have is some telephone blah blah. When they contact you, then you can act. They won't start by slapping you in jail, surely. But it's up to you. >>>>> >>>>>with election4sale.com, if you insist, you could explain the whole thing and just leave the Austrian connection entirely blank--not mention anything about what happened after you took it down. You could claim that you have accidentally lost ownership of the domain! and have no idea where it is! Then when it surfaces in Austria.... >>>>> >>>>>I think there's still, even now, nothing to be worried about, yet.... >>>>> >>>>>ray >>>>> >>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Ray, Frank, Luzius, >>>>>> >>>>>>Just before I received the fax from Hans, I received a call from Mark Anderson (How did he get this number??!!) I am supposed to do a phone interview with him at 3 PM eastern. I don't know how he discovered the rtmark connection, He asked me about it in the first interview, but I said, no there is no connection to rtmark (perhaps the VOTE project?) >>>>>> >>>>>>I am considering telling him the whole story. If I continue with this rabid capitalist thing, it could lead to more legal troubles. I'm going to head to the Notary Public now in order to get the transfer papers out today, then I'll come back and work on a new press release and what >>>>to say >>>>>>to Mark. >>>>>> >>>>>>One option, I also own the url "election4sale.com" I am considering setting this up as a documentation of the entire voteauction >>>>process. It >>>>>>would also include a sign up for people who believe that it should be legal for them to sell their votes (I'll make it clear that no sale was ever going on, no money being made, etc...) >>>>>> >>>>>>Election4sale could be chapter 2, >>>>>> >>>>>>Chapter 3 will be various street actions, similar to what I did in >>>>Philly. >>>>>> >>>>>>We should cc everything to hans@ubermorgen.com so that he knows >>>>everything >>>>>>that is going on. >>>>>> >>>>>>James >>>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>so what's the story with rtmark? somehow he found out there's an association, which is fine i suppose.... i was thinking we should >>>>tell him >>>>>>>simply that rtmark is acting only to facilitate this transfer, and >>>>we're >>>>>>>trying to distance ourselves from this insofar as it is capitalist and sick??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 11:39:23 -0400 >>>>>>>From: Mark Anderson To: admin@rtmark.com >>>>>>>Subject: Voteauction.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>To the ‰ark folks-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm working on a follow-up story to the piece I did for WIRED last >>>>Thursday on Voteauction.com. It appears that the site is now down and that seems to be for keeps. Do you have any comment on the site, its brief history and any reactions you have to its going down? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I've also heard rumblings that the site may live on under other >>>>guises, on other shores -- Do you have any comment on that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm working with an end of the day deadline, so any thoughts you >>>>could get back to me this afternoon (be it via email, phone, fax or carrier pigeon) would be much appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for your time, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mark Anderson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>---------------- >>>>>>>Mark K. Anderson >>>>>>>Northampton, Mass. >>>>>>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>>>>>413-586-8961 voice >>>>>>>253-399-3201 fax >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 15:51:17 -0400 x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com From: Mark Anderson To: "Luzius Bernhard" Mr. Bernhard-- I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: 1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? 2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? 3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. Thank you for your time, Mark Anderson Northampton, Mass. USA 253-399-3201 fax mkanders@javanet.com (*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com To: hans@ubermorgen.com Cc: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com Subject: VoteAuction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:56:58 -0500 Hello, I recently spoke to James Baumgartner regarding voteauction.com, and he mentioned that you had decided to buy the domain. I am a reporter for a national college press service, based in Chicago, and am currently doing a write-up on the whole voteauction.com concept. Is there any information you can share with me in regards to the future of voteauction.com and any plans you have for the domain? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. A reply to this address will do just fine. Thank you, Billy O'Keefe Tribune Media Services Chicago, IL 60068 Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:16:22 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank guerrero , admin@rtmark.com Subject: Re: gotta go to bed.. hehehe.. Re: Voteauction.com Hans, I'll be sure to call Domain Bank today and make sure all is kosher. I hope pr marathon hasn't been too much for you. On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >dearZ > >ok, i am dead.. gotta go to bed; >had heavy business-day and heavy >duty pr-flash backs due to vote- >auction.com; yeahh!! i like it!!; > >took etoy practically out of all >communications, its just the etoy >holding ag, vienna/austria buying.. > >hope this didnt/dont create fuck-up >in communications/credibility.. i am >so badly briefed by myself about the >whole action [what is it about..] >i read in articles while doing da >interviews... hope itZ going even >betta.. > >otherwise, more tomorrow; keep me >posted.. the story is developing; > >greetZ >hans_e > >ps: domain bank, maybe you, james >could call in and ask how long it >takes until dns/ip changes can be >made. i have access login but no >possibilities yet to change dns/ip; > > >>sorry about all the silence, looks liks some really nice developments, however! >> >>frank >> >> >>At 1:12 PM -0400 8/22/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>some suggested edits below---- >>> >>>>dear mark >>>> >>>>the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! >>>> >>>>please feel free to use one of my various aliases: etoy.HANS, luzius bernhard, hans_extrem, >>>> >>>>the company i am running is the etoy.CORPORATION holding, http://www.etoyACTION.com, the mother of the several etoy.SUB-COMPANIES [Ltd. companies] >>> >>>[whatever you want with this, i say] >>> >>>>I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that I am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. >>> >>>great!! >>> >>>>>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >>>>> >>>>>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? >>>> >>>>the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer, or better said we would like to control the american election industry as etoy.CORPORATION. we have certain interests... >>> >>>hmmm.... are you saying that "we don't want it to be possible to buy votes--we just want to do so ourselves"? might want to just say something generic instead, like "we wish to extend this valuable service and streamline it, making it more profitable blah blah blah" >>> >>>>so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! >>>> >>>>>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? >>>> >>>>we have been accused by american legal institutions several times over the last years. >>>> >>>>it all started in 1995/96 with "the digital hijack". the austrian secret service was working on direct-orders from the CIA. they carried out 6am-housesearches, hearings and heavy duty actions by austrian police. the case was >>>>dropped after we delivered massive amounts of unuseable data and our lawyers forced the austrian secret service to drop the case or open a formal case. >>>> >>>>then in 1999 etoy.com was heavily prosecuted for over 100 points in a orange county court. the etoy.com domain was blocked due to the trade-mark conflict with eToys.com, the email-services have been illegally blocked by internic.net on direct request by eToys.com ... etc... also this case was dropped after massive net.resistance. >>>> >>>>so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be very bloody. but what can you do? worst case scenarios were our etoy.TEST-PILOT lifestyle, our corporate-partner from japan continues to support etoy, therefore.. just dont worry!; we are faster than you think, we are white male middleclass europeans; and we are young! >>>> >>>>>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? >>>> >>>>we have both signed the contract including various non- disclosures. >>>> >>>>>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. >>>> >>>>best regards >>>> >>>>etoy.HANS [ceo etoyACTION.com] >>>>luzius bernhard / hans_extrem >>>> >>>>hans@etoyACTION.com >>>>http://www.etoyACTION.com >>>> >>>> >>>>>Thank you for your time, >>>>> >>>>>Mark Anderson >>>>>Northampton, Mass. USA >>>>>253-399-3201 fax >>>>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>(*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>> >>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:27:41 -0500 To: ubermorgen From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: help on project VOTE (fwd) >To: hans@ubermorgan.com, RTMark admin From: frank guerrero >Subject: Re: help on project VOTE (fwd) Cc: pr@voteauction.com, baumgj@rpi.edu > >Dear Ingrid- > >sorry about the waiting- James at voteauction ran into some legal troubles, and now he has sold the domain to hans in austria http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355-2,00.html > >of course, i think it still needs some advertisements! > >if you have any ideas for funny tag lines, etc, an want to pursue this, we could bat the ideas around a bit- it is just that there is too much on the hands of mr. james and probably mr hans to do much back and forth, so i am sure if we could bat a little script around a bit, it would be fun to make somthing and get it out there! > >Frank > >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:16:39 -0700 >>From: Ingrid Behrens To: frank guerrero >>Subject: Re: help on project VOTE >> >>Hey Frank, >> >>Still waiting to hear from James. Are we still on? >> >> >> >>frank guerrero wrote: >> >>>Will do! >>> >>>Thanks- there has been some problems with web service, so there might have been a problem for james getting his mail! >>> >>>this will get to him though- >>> >>>frank >>> >>>At 6:51 PM -0700 8/18/00, Ingrid Behrens wrote: >>>>Frank, >>>> >>>>Please ask James to send a press release. We're interested in helping out. >>>> >>>>Ingrid >>>> >>>> >>>>frank guerrero wrote: >>>> >>>>>OKAY, for more info- meet James from www.voteauction.com. you can read about it in Wired article >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/16/internet.vote/index.html >>>>> >>>>>basically, it is a company that cuts out the middleman and sells >>>votes for >>>>>president to the highest bidder. James could send you a press >>>release, and >>>>>from that you could easily lift some great text for a nice sound >>>piece, i >>>>>would think. It would be great ot have somthing like that on the >>>website so >>>>>that radio people could play it in stories about voteauction.com- i >>>think >>>>>this project makes it pretty explicit that we have a major problem >>>with our >>>>>electoral funding system- >>>>> >>>>>Frank >>>>> >>>>>At 8:20 AM -0700 8/18/00, Ingrid Behrens wrote: >>>>>>Sounds interesting...................Thank you for thinking of us. >>>>>We'd love >>>>>>to hear more............. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ingrid Behrens >>>>>> >>>>>>frank guerrero wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Dear Ingrid- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Say- after those fine parody advertisements you made for the GWBUsh website- we were wondering if you care to make a radio >>>advertisement for >>>>>>>project VOTE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/fundmagx.html >>>>>>>"Set up an e-business that allows people to sell their vote >>>directly to >>>>>>>corporations, cutting out the politico middle men. This business >>>will be >>>>>>>profitable, and may also demonstrate the corruption of the corporate campaign contribution process. Proof for investors will be >>>provided by a >>>>>>>functional e-business and media coverage." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>this really foregrounds some of the absurdities of campaign finance. >>>>>Rumor >>>>>>>has it it should be in wired news tomorrow. I think a radio ad >>>for the >>>>>>>www.voteauction.com website would be fantastic! You could really have >>>>>some >>>>>>>fun with it- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>anyway, if this sounds like somthing you might be able to help with, >>>>>let me >>>>>>>know and we will put you and james (the voteauction.com guy) in >>>touch... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>THANKS! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Frank Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:03:45 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank guerrero , baumgj@rpi.edu, Chris Cutter Subject: Re: gotta go to bed.. hehehe.. Re: Voteauction.com it's awesome!! working very well indeed. we can expect a second round of publicity once this shit is hitting upon the electoral fan. a furner like hans buying american votes is really very precious. do you know the story of yosemite national park? the national park service wanted to turn it into a park (back in the '50s perhaps?) but encountered resistance from the town within the proposed park--they agreed only on condition they would manage the park. so yosemite became the only privately run national park. the disasters kept happening--overcrowding, deterioration, degeneration--and the park service saw it had made a mistake. they tried a few years ago to move in and claim back some control, but there wasn't much enthusiasm for that, until... a japanese company tried to do a hostile takeover. then everyone could understand that just maybe it was a mistake to put public resources in private hands. anyhow xoxoxo http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >dearZ > >ok, i am dead.. gotta go to bed; >had heavy business-day and heavy >duty pr-flash backs due to vote- >auction.com; yeahh!! i like it!!; > >took etoy practically out of all >communications, its just the etoy >holding ag, vienna/austria buying.. > >hope this didnt/dont create fuck-up >in communications/credibility.. i am >so badly briefed by myself about the >whole action [what is it about..] >i read in articles while doing da >interviews... hope itZ going even >betta.. > >otherwise, more tomorrow; keep me >posted.. the story is developing; > >greetZ >hans_e > >ps: domain bank, maybe you, james >could call in and ask how long it >takes until dns/ip changes can be >made. i have access login but no >possibilities yet to change dns/ip; > > >>sorry about all the silence, looks liks some really nice developments, however! >> >>frank >> >> >>At 1:12 PM -0400 8/22/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>some suggested edits below---- >>> >>>>dear mark >>>> >>>>the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! >>>> >>>>please feel free to use one of my various aliases: etoy.HANS, luzius bernhard, hans_extrem, >>>> >>>>the company i am running is the etoy.CORPORATION holding, http://www.etoyACTION.com, the mother of the several etoy.SUB-COMPANIES [Ltd. companies] >>> >>>[whatever you want with this, i say] >>> >>>>I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that I am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. >>> >>>great!! >>> >>>>>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >>>>> >>>>>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? >>>> >>>>the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer, or better said we would like to control the american election industry as etoy.CORPORATION. we have certain interests... >>> >>>hmmm.... are you saying that "we don't want it to be possible to buy votes--we just want to do so ourselves"? might want to just say something generic instead, like "we wish to extend this valuable service and streamline it, making it more profitable blah blah blah" >>> >>>>so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! >>>> >>>>>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? >>>> >>>>we have been accused by american legal institutions several times over the last years. >>>> >>>>it all started in 1995/96 with "the digital hijack". the austrian secret service was working on direct-orders from the CIA. they carried out 6am-housesearches, hearings and heavy duty actions by austrian police. the case was >>>>dropped after we delivered massive amounts of unuseable data and our lawyers forced the austrian secret service to drop the case or open a formal case. >>>> >>>>then in 1999 etoy.com was heavily prosecuted for over 100 points in a orange county court. the etoy.com domain was blocked due to the trade-mark conflict with eToys.com, the email-services have been illegally blocked by internic.net on direct request by eToys.com ... etc... also this case was dropped after massive net.resistance. >>>> >>>>so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be very bloody. but what can you do? worst case scenarios were our etoy.TEST-PILOT lifestyle, our corporate-partner from japan continues to support etoy, therefore.. just dont worry!; we are faster than you think, we are white male middleclass europeans; and we are young! >>>> >>>>>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? >>>> >>>>we have both signed the contract including various non- disclosures. >>>> >>>>>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. >>>> >>>>best regards >>>> >>>>etoy.HANS [ceo etoyACTION.com] >>>>luzius bernhard / hans_extrem >>>> >>>>hans@etoyACTION.com >>>>http://www.etoyACTION.com >>>> >>>> >>>>>Thank you for your time, >>>>> >>>>>Mark Anderson >>>>>Northampton, Mass. USA >>>>>253-399-3201 fax >>>>>mkanders@javanet.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>(*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>> >>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:33:47 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: RTMark admin cc: net_CALLBOY , frank guerrero , Chris Cutter Subject: Voteauction interviews. Had a couple more interviews today, a follow up with Janet Kornblum at USA Today, and a taped interview with Art Huse at Minnesota Public Radio's Future Tense (Radio show distributed to many different public radio stations.) I had a call from Fox 4 news in Kansas City (I think they are looking for the local boy breaks law angle.) and Slate.com (haven't talked to them yet.) I'm considering using the Fox 4 news television spot to start talking about political art activism and electronic civil disobedience. I think that it would be a live show in which case I could completely surprise them and go in a totally new direction. This might be good for a couple of reasons. A) if Rensselaer County or New York state are going to file any charges it sounds like they will do it before the end of the week. It might be good for me to go on record that the whole thing was political activism before any charges are filed so it doesn't look like I'm trying to cover up illegal activity with art which most of the American media won't see as art. Also, this may be a relatively safe place to do it. A local news station may fall under the radar, but then again, they could transmit it to every Fox station in the country. Igor, I think we should have a discussion tonight, give me a call if I don't get through to you. 417-7794766 JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:06:24 -0500 To: James M Baumgartner , RTMark admin From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: Voteauction interviews. Cc: net_CALLBOY , frank guerrero , Chris Cutter hello- james and i just talked on the phone- we more or less agreed to stay away from the words "activism" and "art" that code one politically in favor of saying neutral things like he wanted to make a point- try to interest more people in the message rather have them easily classify the action based on a few words TV news stuff should be interesting! have fun james- frank and for a little extra artillery in case he does end up in court for himAt 8:33 PM -0400 8/22/00, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Had a couple more interviews today, a follow up with Janet Kornblum at USA Today, and a taped interview with Art Huse at Minnesota Public Radio's Future Tense (Radio show distributed to many different public radio stations.) I had a call from Fox 4 news in Kansas City (I think they are looking for the local boy breaks law angle.) and Slate.com (haven't talked to them yet.) I'm considering using the Fox 4 news television spot to start talking about political art activism and electronic civil disobedience. I think that it would be a live show in which case I could completely surprise them and go in a totally new direction. This might be good for a couple of reasons. A) if Rensselaer County or New York state are going to file any charges it sounds like they will do it before the end of the week. It might be good for me to go on record that the whole thing was political activism before any charges are filed so it doesn't look like I'm trying to cover up illegal activity with art which most of the American media won't see as art. Also, this may be a relatively safe place to do it. A local news station may fall under the radar, but then again, they could transmit it to every Fox station in the country. > >Igor, I think we should have a discussion tonight, give me a call if I don't get through to you. 417-7794766 > >JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: support@www.domainbank.net cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: dns/ip change for voteauction.com Support, I recently sold my domain, voteauction.com. I am trying to help the new owner set up the website, but I believe he is having trouble changing the dns/ip settings. We would both appreciate it if you could help us with this matter. Please send a response to this email address and the address in the cc: line. Here is how hans@ubermogen.com described the problem. ps: domain bank, maybe you, james could call in and ask how long it takes until dns/ip changes can be made. i have access login but no possibilities yet to change dns/ip; We appreciate you help in this matter. James Baumgartner former owner, voteauction.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, ccutter@scwartz-pr.com, skogee@rpi.edu, Nikki Brand , Dina Ann Williams , Jason Steven Murphy , Elizabeth Press , Caroline Mcintee , Joseph Thomas Reinsel , "Chris P. Csikszentmihalyi" , Kathleen Ruiz , ilikecake@hotmail.com, ecofonic@pacbell.net, jirk@dog.com Subject: Voteauction on NY1 Web story and a video clip about voteauction.com http://www.ny1.com/Living/technology.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: support@domainbank.net cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: dns/ip change for voteauction.com Support, I recently sold my domain, voteauction.com. I am trying to help the new owner set up the website, but I believe he is having trouble changing the dns/ip settings. We would both appreciate it if you could help us with this matter. Please send a response to this email address and the address in the cc: line. Here is how hans@ubermogen.com described the problem. ps: domain bank, maybe you, james could call in and ask how long it takes until dns/ip changes can be made. i have access login but no possibilities yet to change dns/ip; We appreciate you help in this matter. James Baumgartner former owner, voteauction.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction dns change Hans_Extrem I talked with domainbank, they said that you should be able to login and change the information, but if that's not working you can email debra@domainbank.net, use voteauction.com dns change as the subject line and give her the new numbers for the dns and she can take care of it right away and email you back with the results. Let me know how that works. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:12:15 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: baumgj@rpi.edu, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: Fwd: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com some suggested edits below---- >dear mark > >the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! > >please feel free to use one of my various aliases: etoy.HANS, luzius bernhard, hans_extrem, > >the company i am running is the etoy.CORPORATION holding, http://www.etoyACTION.com, the mother of the several etoy.SUB-COMPANIES [Ltd. companies] [whatever you want with this, i say] >I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that I am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. great!! >>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >> >>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer, or better said we would like to control the american election industry as etoy.CORPORATION. we have certain interests... hmmm.... are you saying that "we don't want it to be possible to buy votes--we just want to do so ourselves"? might want to just say something generic instead, like "we wish to extend this valuable service and streamline it, making it more profitable blah blah blah" >so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! > >>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >we have been accused by american legal institutions several times over the last years. > >it all started in 1995/96 with "the digital hijack". the austrian secret service was working on direct-orders from the CIA. they carried out 6am-housesearches, hearings and heavy duty actions by austrian police. the case was dropped after we delivered massive amounts of unuseable data and our lawyers forced the austrian secret service to drop the case or open a formal case. > >then in 1999 etoy.com was heavily prosecuted for over 100 points in a orange county court. the etoy.com domain was blocked due to the trade-mark conflict with eToys.com, the email-services have been illegally blocked by internic.net on direct request by eToys.com ... etc... also this case was dropped after massive net.resistance. > >so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be very bloody. but what can you do? worst case scenarios were our etoy.TEST-PILOT lifestyle, our corporate-partner from japan continues to support etoy, therefore.. just dont worry!; we are faster than you think, we are white male middleclass europeans; and we are young! > >>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > >we have both signed the contract including various non- disclosures. > >>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. > >best regards > >etoy.HANS [ceo etoyACTION.com] >luzius bernhard / hans_extrem > >hans@etoyACTION.com >http://www.etoyACTION.com > > >>Thank you for your time, >> >>Mark Anderson >>Northampton, Mass. USA >>253-399-3201 fax >>mkanders@javanet.com >> >> >>(*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:41:44 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: baumgj@rpi.edu, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: USA Today reporter trying to reach you wow!! shit travels fast (and sticks faster). i think it's fine that etoy.HOLDING is involved. rtmark can have provided the glue if it makes it easier, but there's no need to involve us, we're just the middlemen.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>Hello: I am trying to reach you to talk about VoteAuction.com > >they got me on etoy already.. kornblum from usa today came in with it straight.. i had to construct the etoy.HOLDING within about 10 miliseconds, so etoy.com was just the art.company, the etoy.HOLDING ispurely biz oriented holding with 7 companies > >talked about my business interest in the affair, didnt disclose any amount being paied, said the domain shall be online within the next 2 days.. > >talked about high-risk venture, but also about the possiblity to transfer it to one of our offshore companies if we get legal heat in europe.. > >so, the etoy.SHIT is in.. its just sticking to me.. > >hope this doesnt ruin the story, will try to keep it low... > >hans > > >>Could you send me the best way to reach you today? >> >>Thank you, >> >>Janet >> >>************************* >>Janet Kornblum, jkornblum@usatoday.com http://ebriefing.usatoday.com >>415 221-7615 >>4644 Geary Blvd. PMB 143 >>San Francisco, CA 94118 > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: jkornblum@usatoday.com (Janet Kornblum) Reply-To: "jkornblum@usatoday.com" To: "'hans@ubermorgen.com'" Subject: USA Today reporter trying to reach you Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:54:29 -0400 Organization: USA Today Hello: I am trying to reach you to talk about VoteAuction.com Could you send me the best way to reach you today? Thank you, Janet ************************* Janet Kornblum, jkornblum@usatoday.com http://ebriefing.usatoday.com 415 221-7615 4644 Geary Blvd. PMB 143 San Francisco, CA 94118Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:07:24 +0400 From: accounts@domainbank.net Subject: IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING YOUR DOMAIN NAME To: hans@ubermorgen.com ATTENTION!!! IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING YOUR DOMAIN NAME Domain Bank has recently enhanced its domain name registration process!! Now, our customers will receive User IDs and passwords to expedite their domain name registrations. Registering domain names has never been easier or faster! As a valued customer of Domain Bank, below you will find the User ID and password that we have assigned to you with respect to the domain names listed below. User ID: hans@ubermorgen.com Password: V]MIG1 Now, when you go to our site at http://www.domainbank.com, simply login as a Registered User using your ID and password to begin the registration process. A profile containing your registration information will be maintained so you won't need to re-enter that data for future registrations unless you want to make changes! It's that simple. For your convenience, we have pre-filled your user profile with the information you submitted on your most recent registration. Before you register more domain names, you should review this user profile to make sure all the information is accurate. To access your profile, simply login as a Registered User on our site by using your new ID and password. Then, click on "Profile Manager" on the tool bar at the top of the registration field. At that point, you can review and make changes to your profile. For your protection, we have not pre-filled your credit card information. You can either enter that information in your profile, or leave it blank and insert it each time you register a domain name. Further, you will soon be able to make changes to your domain name record (such as updating DNS or contact information) by using your ID and password to access our "Domain Manager" page. You may receive more than one e-mail that includes a User ID and password. If so, it is because you have registered domain names with us using different information, such as variations on the name of the owner or the identity of the admin contact, or you have registered domain names with different affiliates of Domain Bank. We will soon have a process to consolidate multiple user IDs if you desire to do so. Also, please note that we have sent this email to the registrant and to the administrative contact of the domain name(s) listed below. If you want the technical contact of the domains to have this information as well, you should forward this message directly to such contact. We hope you find the enhanced process fast, efficient and easy to use. If you have any questions, you should contact support@domainbank.com. Thank you.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ray@rtmark.com, prapp@capital.net, ruiz@rpi.edu, csiksc@rpi.edu Subject: Re: vote selling web site to be revived, possibly offshore great article! here's another: http://www.auctionwatch.com/awdaily/dailynews/august00/4-081800.html http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Cnn.com article: > >http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html > >looks like it's heading in the right direction. > >James > Delivered-To: ubermorgen@server1.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: office@ubermorgen.com Delivered-To: fixup-office@ubermorgen.com@fixme Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:36:31 -0700 From: Jeff Simpson Reply-To: jeffys@phnx.uswest.net X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: office@ubermorgen.com, or@uswest.net Subject: Grow Up! Business may be business, but I can't believe you'll sell votes. I'm not a crude person, but get a life and quit being carrion feeders! Elevate the population, folks! Jeff Simpson A Liberal AmericanDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:30:18 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, prapp@capital.net, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, "Chris P. Csikszentmihalyi" , Kathleen Ruiz , Igor Vamos Subject: voteauction.com on Minnesota Public Radio This is from a telephone interview I did with Art Huse, host of Future Tense (See 8/25/00 Selling Your Vote) http://news.mpr.org/programs/futuretense/Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: email Hans, I tried setting up Netscape to get the voteauction.com email addresses, but I'm still having trouble with it. Could you send me some more specific instructions? Also, could you set up the ftp server so I can ftp directly to the pages that are on the web? This would help when I am testing the pages and such. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: slate.com article i wonder--should this press archive be on rtmark after all? the project description is... as long as we don't comment too much on it, maybe? http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >i'm maintaining an archive--http://rtmark.com/allpress.html#vot --so keep on sending them! > >http://rtmark.com/ >Turning information resources into emotional capital. > >On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: > >>looks like this guy actually got the point. >> >>http://slate.msn.com/netelection/entries/00-08-23_88646.asp >> >>James >> > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:43:20 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu Reply-To: James M Baumgartner To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com Subject: Re: cnn.com hans et all, sorry I didn't get back to you until now - I was flying all day, but now I'm back in Troy and ready to attack phase 2 I can't get to the new voteauction site by any method. When I type in voteauction.com I get my old screwed up page with the cgibin folder. When I enter your new IP numbers, 62.116.31.68 I get the "etxtreme.ru; your daily e-nfo breakfast page." Not sure why that is - could this be more "DNS propagation" errors? Hans, I can stay up late tonight and call you early morning Vienna time, how early is good for you? I could stay up to around 2 or 3 AM which I think is 8 or 9 AM your time? The other option would be for me to call around 9 AM NY time which is 3PM Vienna? Let me know which would work best for you. I'm not sure about which companies you should say that you also are holding, I'll search around tonight. By "holding" is that what Americans mean by "own stock?" These shady business deals are new to me. As for the cgi scripts - they weren't set up too efficiently the first time around, I just had everything forwarded to an email account and then I had to sort through all of the emails myself. I know some people who might be able to set up an automatic database system for the cgi bins. I'll look into it tonight and tomorrow. I'll work on identity for pr@voteauction.com... I'm not so good with the secret identity thing, but I'll give it a go. James On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >ey all > >just got a call from cnn.com, richard stenger story is hot! he liked the holding thing... totally off the frontline, austrian holding company, business business business... no polit. motivation, pure test-pilot in order to evaluate the voting market potential for future big biz... etc.. etc.. blah blah.. > >another thing... > >THE SITE IS ONLINE! > >please check if voteauction.com is running from the us? > >on the shell, pls make : nslookup voteauction.com and check if you get ns1.sil.at > >and check via browser if you can view the site.. > >mail-form not running yet, please send us the scripts so we can implement them, or let me know if you wish to implement them yourself, could give you temp su account... > >also, if you have changes to the web-site, please upload docs per ftp: > >www.ubermorgen.com >login: ftp >passw: y/email > > >thx, greetZ >hans_e >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: Chris Cutter , frank guerrero , hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction standard http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,17868,00.html http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Debra Ann Browning" To: Subject: Re: voteauction.com dns change Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:25:46 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Hello, Is this the username and password information that you have? - Username: hans@ubermorgen.com Password: V]MIG1 Once you are logged in, click on Domain Manager. Click on Modify dns. That is where you can make the server changes. Old server values: NS2.JIRK.NET 216.10.27.6 NS.JIRK.NET 216.10.28.6 New server values: Server Name: NS1.SIL.AT IP Address: 194.152.178.1 Server Name: NS2.SIL.AT IP Address: 194.152.178.10 Where does this IP address come into play? - 62.116.31.68 The Name Server(s) have been successfully changed. Note: Modifications to DNS information require 24-48 hours to take effect. Updated Date: 2000-08-23 09:18:41 Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thank you for using Domain Bank Best Regards, Debra Browning Domain Bank, Inc. Http://www.domainbank.com (610) 317-9606 ----- Original Message ----- From: "net_CALLBOY" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:05 AM Subject: voteauction.com dns change > >dear debra > >mister james baumgartner gave me your email address. i have troubles login into domain manager. received password and login from you, but it only works for general login, not for domain manager. > >therefore, could you please change the dns and ip-address for > >voteauction.com > >dns: > >ns1.sil.at >ns2.sil.at > >ip-address: 62.116.31.68 > > >thank you very much in advance >kind regards > >luzius a. bernhard >kurrentgasse 10/22 >a-1010 wien > >hans@ubermorgen.com > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, csiksc@rpi.edu, ruiz@rpi.edu, prapp@capital.net Subject: voteauction on USA Today Friends, Voteauction featured in a story in USA Today. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk082300.htm JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, csiksc@rpi.edu, ruiz@rpi.edu, prapp@capital.net Subject: Re: voteauction on USA Today it's PERFECT! i think.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Friends, > >Voteauction featured in a story in USA Today. > >http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk082300.htm > >James Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:16:24 -0400 From: Jon Goldstein X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: reporter seeks interview Dear sir, My name is Jon Goldstein and I am a reporter with SunSpot.net, the Baltimore Sun online. I would like to interview you concerning your voteauction.com site for our election coverage. Please respond with the best way to reach you. Thank You, Jon Goldstein Reporter SunSpot.netDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:04:24 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Fwd: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours (fwd) Hans, Mark Anderson is the journalist from Wired News who wrote the first article about voteauction.com he's been trying to email you for a while but it's not working for him. Could you contact him? James ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 00 20:14:35 -0400 From: Mark Anderson To: James Baumgartner Subject: Fwd: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours James-- Strange. I keep getting these error messages in trying to reach Voteauction's buyer. Any alternatives you know of in contacting him -- carrier pigeon routes, for instance?... Thanks, Mark. --------- Mark Anderson Northampton, Mass. mkanders@javanet.com (413) 586-8961 ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 08/25 2:31 PM Received: 08/25 2:45 PM From: Mail Delivery Subsystem, MAILER-DAEMON To: mkanders@mail.javanet.com ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) from 209-94-153-60.s60.tnt2.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.153.60] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 451 ... ubermorgen.com: Name server timeout Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old Reporting-MTA: dns; mail1.javanet.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; hans@ubermorgen.com Action: delayed Status: 4.4.3 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Will-Retry-Until: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Return-Path: Received: from [209.94.153.60] (209-94-153-60.s60.tnt2.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.153.60]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA03781; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008251418.KAA03781@mail1.javanet.com> Subject: WIRED News Voteauction.com story Date: Fri, 25 Aug 00 10:18:08 -0400 x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Mark Anderson To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear Mr. Bernhard-- I'm the reporter for WIRED News who first brought Voteauction.com to the public's attention. I'm now working on a story for WIRED that will cover its transition from graduate student Master of Fine Arts thesis project to (as I understand it) bonafide business venture. I have several questions below which I emailed earlier this week but perhaps may not have successfully delivered to your email box. (I suspect I put the wrong email address on my previous communication....) Please consider these questions and get back to me with your comments. Also, would you be available for a telephone interview sometime next week? Thank you for your time, Mark K. Anderson WIRED News Northampton, Mass. USA mkanders@javanet.com (413) 586-8961 / (253) 399-3201 fax > >1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > "Close Vote? You Can Bid On It" 17 Aug. 2000 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html "Voteauction Bids The Dust" 22 Aug. 2000 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355,00.html ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:32:02 -0500 To: James M Baumgartner , hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ray@rtmark.com From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: vote selling web site to be revived, possibly offshore very nice, i think- At 5:11 PM -0400 8/25/00, James M Baumgartner wrote: >Cnn.com article: > >http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html > >looks like it's heading in the right direction. > >JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, ruiz@rpi.edu, csiksc@rpi.edu, prapp@rpi.edu Subject: Re: slate.com article i'm maintaining an archive--http://rtmark.com/allpress.html#vot --so keep on sending them! http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >looks like this guy actually got the point. > >http://slate.msn.com/netelection/entries/00-08-23_88646.asp > >James Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:30:09 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: bichlbauer salzburg invite? >>howdy hans >> >>oh wow, that's amazing!! can you just put >> >>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >> >>firm: World Trade Organization >> >>proposed title, hm, how about: >>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Theories of Incremental Improvement > >sounds totally convincing.. > >although.. >its not my field.. so dont >know if this is good or not; >but then, as i said, sounds >long enough and slick enoug; > >so.. when we decided on a >title, i will just fill out >the form and send it in.. i say then, why not just send it in? let's just call that final--it can always be changed afterwards if necessary. >waiting for final title.. >form is already signed and.. >fuck man.. i will go deep >down legally.. fucking >voteauction.com, fucking >signature of fucking >bichlbauer mr. moore >sub... shit, hope this >togehter will not one day >break my neck.. hehehe.. i wonder--we've been doing these terrible things for so long, i've begun to think they aren't really very dangerous if the object is big enough--if it's the wto, for example--maybe they don't want the publicity of really attacking people too badly... with voteauction it's something else, but everyone, even the nasty american officials, seem to realize this is a statement--check out the minnesota public radio talk: http://news.mpr.org/programs/futuretense/daily_rafiles/20000825.ram i somehow don't think they'll take it very far, and the defense if they do is simply that it was a statement all along, which is very convincing since they admit that themselves. i think as long as no real money actually changes hands, everything should be kind of defensible... my wild guess though... >on the other hand.. i am >preparing a good action myself >so.. whaddaIwwant,, no risk-- >no fun! guerrilla marketing!! >just cover my ass if i goe >down.. for sure!! onwards! r > >ok, cu then! > >greetZ >hans_e > > >>That sounds earnest and foreign, no? What do you and Frank think? It would be nice to see other talk titles--but I'll bet they're just straightforward. >> >>wow >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>>howdy hans! >>> >>>ey ray >>> >>>attached the fax i received as .jpg; >>>bout 400K total.. >>> >>>let me know if i shall answer or >>>do something with the fax.. >>>or if you print it out and fill >>>it out and send it back:... >>> >>>greetZ >>>hans_e >>> >>> >>>>have you had a chance to scan the bichlbauer details that were faxed to you? would love to see them, to know the date and time and format and all that. i hope they just expect him to show up, talk, and leave.... take care >>>>r >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:51:27 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: "Lindenschmidt, Russ" Subject: Re: Selling your vote for cash Hi Russ, It isn't us, but it fulfills project VOTE and we've been in touch with the creators about getting them the money. Thanks for your interest cliff http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Lindenschmidt, Russ wrote: >So I've been wondering, is this you guys or did someone beat you to the punch? Other than that, keep up the subversion. > >-Russ > > >http://www.voteauction.com/ > >"Science Explores, Technology Executes, Man Conforms." -1929 Worlds' Fair Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:07:18 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: James M Baumgartner , frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re:ftp/email.. wow! well, you can always say you're not american, he's simply wrong that you're traitorous... ciao r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>email works, I will try ftp in a few minutes. > >k, let me know if everything goes well.. you do answer the emails? right? > >here some nice threat-mail, we get a lot of em lately.. hehehe..: > >Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >From: "Scott Turchin" To: , Subject: Your site >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:06:55 -0700 >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >Importance: Normal > >You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats in relation to what you are doing. >You can't sell out America this way. >If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution for the LEGAL process of how to change government. > >What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any more foreign influence on our government. > >I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. Even our hackers have SOME MORALS. > >I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. > > > >>james >> >>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>does everything work with the server? email, ftp...? >>>greetZ >>>hans_e >>>-- >>> >>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>> >>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>> >>> >>> > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: ubermorgen@server1.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: office@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:54:24 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Grow Up! beautiful answer!! really beautiful. one note re: p.s.--the big corporations and very wealthy individuals are ultimately the ones buying the votes (*for* the candidates)--so it's their money, really, that should go to the voters... the candidates are just middlemen.... ciao r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, ubermorgen wrote: >>Business may be business, but I can't believe you'll sell votes. > >dear jeff > >you have written to a daughter-company >[ubermorgen.com] of the holding that purchased voteauction.com. > >never mind.. we were are also informed about the current situation with voteauction.com... > >so... > >we do imagine this to be a very nice and smooth business.. > >or better said by raymond chandler:: > >a very swell business! > >what happend to your company? uswest... i hear it is now qwest; or better said >KPN qwest? > >best regards > >sandra baierl >ubermorgen.com >vienna/austria > > >ps: although our holdings motivation is business- oriented, we do also think! so.. we would like to have the people voting getting money for their votes. the current situation is that hundreds of millions of dollars are spend by mr. bore and mister gush to buy votes, but the voters dont see money! we want to change this economically strange situation right now, right here on voteauction.com ! > >>I'm not a crude person, but get a life and quit being carrion feeders! Elevate the population, folks! >> >>Jeff Simpson >>A Liberal American > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >office@ubermorgen.com >phone:+43[01]968.1022 >ICQ:: 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Mayer Subject: Re: Database for voteauction.com To: hans@ubermorgen.com Cc: baumgj@rpi.edu Hans, I am helping out James with VoteAuction.com and I have a few questions about the availability of cgi-bin and databases. 1. I saw that there is access to php3 on the site. Do we have access to a cgi-bin directory? Some of the pages are already designed to use CGI, it just makes my life easier. 2. Do you have a database I could access? All I need is a couple of tables to hold e-mail addresses and some demographic information. Again this would make managing the site easier. thanks, Shane Mayer --- James M Baumgartner wrote: >Hans, meet Shane. Shane, Hans. > >Shane is going to help out with setting up a database for all of the >online forms. He will email Hans with questions about the ubermorgen >server. > >James > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:40:20 -0400 From: Public Relations X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: [Fwd: Radio Interview 9/3/00] Hans, I just talked to Danielle Willett. I will be doing a telephone interview with them on Sunday at 4:40 NY time (10:40 Vienna?) I told them that they might want to talk to you as well, but it is only a 5 minute interview so I don't know if they will get to talk to both of us, but you might want to email her to see if she wants to talk to you as well. James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Radio Interview 9/3/00 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:48:33 -0500 From: Danielle Downey-Willett To: "'pr@voteauction.com'" To Whom It May Concern: My name is Danielle Willett and I am located in the Dallas- Fort Worth, Texas . I produce a one hour local radio show here and would like to have you as a guest. Our show is called "The Online Report" . We would like to have you as a guest at 3:40 PM CST. We can call you at home, the office or on your cell phone and conduct the interview live. We will plug your website by gladly adding them to our website. We would like you to simply discuss your website and tell the people of Dallas-Ft Worth why then should log on. If you cannot do this and there is no one else who can stand in, please let me know as soon as possible. All I need is 5 minutes of your time and a phone number where we can call you at for the interview.. Please feel free to check out our websites: www.theonlinereport.com and www.undergroundshopper.com Thank You, Danielle Willett Danielle Downey-Willett Talk Productions 12910 Hutton Drive Dallas, TX 75235 214-292-3877Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:16:11 -0600 From: Dan Harrie X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: vote auction Hi. My name is Dan Harrie. I am a staff writer for The Salt Lake Tribune. Have been following some of the stories involving voteauction.com with interest, and would like to write something for The Tribune. I understand that you are the new owner of the site. Is there a problem with the Justice Department in terms of violating federal or state laws? Is the site a satire of the current campaign finance system, or it is legitimate? I can be contacted at dharrie@sltrib.com or 801-257-8793.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:25:44 -0400 From: Public Relations X-Accept-Language: en To: Dan Harrie Subject: Re: your scheme Mr. Harrie, Thank you for your interest in writing about voteauction.com. The site was closed for a few days, but it has been re-launched under new ownership. To discuss voteauction.com further, you can contact James Baumgartner, the man who founded voteauction.com at baumgj@rpi.edu or 518-274-2944, or Hans Bernhard, the current owner of the site at hans@ubermorgen.com. Public Relations voteauction.com Dan Harrie wrote: >Hi. >My name is Dan Harrie, staff writer for The Salt Lake Tribune. I am interested in doing a story on your site and the philosophy behind it, getting some local politico reaction for publication in The Tribune. > >It appears from the news stories that the site is closed. But I see that the site is open. So what's the story? >Also, I've got to ask: Is this whole thing a satire on our current corrupt campaign finance system, or is it legitimate? Thanks in advance for your responses, and please include your name so I can attribute it. >contact me at dharrie@sltrib.com or 801-257-8793Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction.com (fwd) hans, here's another austrian newspaper for you ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:40:03 +0200 From: Roesler Andreas To: "'baumgj@rpi.edu'" Subject: voteauction.com Dear James Baumgartner, I am online editor of the Austrian newspaper "Der Standard" (http:/derStandard.at) and i've read about voteauction.com on the "Industry Standard" homepage, where they say that you have sold the domain and content to an austrian e-commerce developer. So my question is: Could you tell me who this e-commerce developer is? with kind regards, Andreas Roesler-Schmidt derStandard.at andreas.roesler@derStandard.at http://derStandard.at/webDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction interview hans, I talked with the woman from abc radio. I am going to be interviewed on a talk radio show - I don't really know too much about it. I will try to find some sort of live stream and let you know. hopefully they will have callers and such. i am going to say that as part of the contract to sell voteauction.com, I agreed to talk to the press about what it was, what it is, etc., but I am no longer involved in its development of day to day operation. please refresh my memory, what is the name of the holding company that controls voteauction.com now? stay tuned JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:05:10 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: Chris Cutter , frank guerrero , hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction AP here's another article http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000818/el/votes_for_sale_3.html http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, ruiz@rpi.edu, csiksc@rpi.edu, prapp@rpi.edu Subject: slate.com article looks like this guy actually got the point. http://slate.msn.com/netelection/entries/00-08-23_88646.asp JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: wto/bichlbauer and voteauction.com you rock! and your answers have been great. might also want to say at some point that this money is really corporate money--i mean, this is actually about getting the corporations' money directly to voters instead of to advertising intended to influence voters. the corporations want to get voters to vote one way or the other, so they give millions of dollars to campaigns--this allows them to give it directly to voters instead, since that's basically what they're doing anyhow, just inefficiently--this makes it much more efficient. rock on!! r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>one more thing hans--could you send the fax out again, and add a note to it somewhere stating that you are only able to speak on the 26th or 27th? that would be terrific. > >done.. >resend the fax with a small note saying that i will only be able to talk on the 26th and 27th; > >ciao! >hans_e > > >>onwards! >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >> >>>>fax to salzburg is out... >>>>used the follwoing infos: >>>> >>>>Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>World Trade Organization >>>>Trade Regulations Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: Governing Perspectives from the 1790 to the present.. >>>> >>>>shit.. just saw that i typed 1970 and not 1790.. fax is through.. hehehe. shit.. >>> >>>oh, that's exactly the same as it turns out! andreas is an expert on both subjects. >>> >>>>anyway.. >>>> >>>>today, did a nice abc-radio interview, james was first, i was second.. i was drunk slightly and outside of bar.. in the wind blowing into the microphone of mobile.. a good one! >>> >>>perfect!! abc the australian radio? >>> >>>>also, cnn tv is knocking on our door! + austrian local newspapers are also knocking, they wanna know who this austrian businessman is.. >>> >>>WOW! that's awesome. >>> >>>>ok, so much for now.. the story is getting really nice and hot.. hope the wto thing is also going into a nice direction with mister bichlbauer.. >>> >>>i think it will, if they haven't caught on yet they may simply not.... wheeee! this will be very fun if it works out. >>> >>>r >>> >>> >>>> >>>>hans_e >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>used the following info: >>>>>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>>> >>>>>>firm: World Trade Organization >>>>>> >>>>>>proposed title, hm, how about: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: >>>> >>>>Governing Perspectives from 1790 to the Present >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>fantastic!!!! >>>>> >>>>>At 9:25 PM -0400 8/27/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>>>wow! well, you can always say you're not american, he's >>>simply wrong that >>>>>>>>you're traitorous... >>>>>>>>ciao >>>>>>>>r >>>>>>> >>>>>>>yeah, but i dont tell em!!! >>>>>>>no way, i am swiss...hehehe.. >>>>>>>austrian investor, whatever.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>the game is fun! man! >>>>>>>cu tomorrow.. >>>>>> >>>>>>great that you're enjoying it! lesser men would be >>>terrified... and for no >>>>>>reason. it's fun to piss off the big boys... >>>>>> >>>>>>>ah ja... pls confirm wto >>>>>>>speech title for the fax.. >>>>>>>will send it off tomorrow >>>>>>>during the day as soon as i >>>>>>>get feedback from you... >>>>>> >>>>>>ok, let's just go for: >>>>>> >>>>>>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>>> >>>>>>firm: World Trade Organization >>>>>> >>>>>>proposed title, hm, how about: >>>>>>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: >>>>>>Governing Perspectives from 1790 to the Present >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>If Frank objects before tomorrow, let's worry, otherwise I'm >>>sure it will >>>>>>work fine.... >>>>>> >>>>>>heh heh heh heh >>>>>>this will be the funnest trip ever, to little haider-loving salzburg... r >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hans_e >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>email works, I will try ftp in a few minutes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>k, let me know if everything goes well.. you do answer the emails? right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>here some nice threat-mail, we get a lot of em lately.. hehehe..: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Scott Turchin" To: , Subject: Your site >>>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:06:55 -0700 >>>>>>>>>X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>>>>>>>>Importance: Normal >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats >>>in relation to >>>>>>>>>what you are doing. >>>>>>>>>You can't sell out America this way. If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution >>>for the LEGAL >>>>>>>>>process of how to change government. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any more foreign influence on our government. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. >>>Even our hackers >>>>>>>>>have SOME MORALS. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>james >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>does everything work with the server? email, ftp...? >>>>>>>>>>>greetZ >>>>>>>>>>>hans_e >>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : >>>: : : : : : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>............................................................. >>>>>>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help >>>somewhere! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>> >>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>> >>> >>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: WIRED News Voteauction.com story Date: Fri, 25 Aug 00 10:18:08 -0400 x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com From: Mark Anderson To: Dear Mr. Bernhard-- I'm the reporter for WIRED News who first brought Voteauction.com to the public's attention. I'm now working on a story for WIRED that will cover its transition from graduate student Master of Fine Arts thesis project to (as I understand it) bonafide business venture. I have several questions below which I emailed earlier this week but perhaps may not have successfully delivered to your email box. (I suspect I put the wrong email address on my previous communication....) Please consider these questions and get back to me with your comments. Also, would you be available for a telephone interview sometime next week? Thank you for your time, Mark K. Anderson WIRED News Northampton, Mass. USA mkanders@javanet.com (413) 586-8961 / (253) 399-3201 fax > >1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > "Close Vote? You Can Bid On It" 17 Aug. 2000 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html "Voteauction Bids The Dust" 22 Aug. 2000 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355,00.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ray@rtmark.com, prapp@capital.net, ruiz@rpi.edu, csiksc@rpi.edu Subject: vote selling web site to be revived, possibly offshore Cnn.com article: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html looks like it's heading in the right direction. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:17:34 -0400 From: Public Relations X-Accept-Language: en To: wrench Subject: Re: wanna set up canadian server Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. We welcome new corporations into the growing election industry. We feel that increased competition will only help this emerging industry. However we do not feel that it would fit into our corporate plan to share our technology or server space, at this time. We wish you future success. voteauction.com wrench wrote: >Hi, >we were planning to set up a similar service in canada in order to make a statement about our shallow democracy. we would be willing to offer a mirror sight for you, and perhaps in exchange, during the canadian elections in autumn, we could run the sight off an server which is not on canadian soil. > >would it be possible to set up a mirror sight, and would we be able to get a copy of the program which runs your service (i assume it is not manual). > >thanks, >wDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Scott Turchin" To: , Subject: Your site Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:06:55 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats in relation to what you are doing. You can't sell out America this way. If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution for the LEGAL process of how to change government. What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any more foreign influence on our government. I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. Even our hackers have SOME MORALS. I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: holding corporations Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: hans, james never thanked you for the research, perfect companies.. cant use them as part of our holding, but will possibly be able to use them in the voteauction.com context... beautiful article on motherjones about steeltown, ! greetZ hans_e Here are a couple of corporations that you may consider "investing" in. Wackenhut Corporation. They own several private prisons in the US including juvenile prisons. http://www.afscme.org/private/pp000316b.htm Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) They are the largest prison corporation in America. http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MJ00/steeltown.html Channel One Communications. They produce news and entertainment show that is sent by sattelite to many american schools - and it includes commercials! http://www.commercialfree.org/commercialism.html http://www.channelone.com Reebok Interational. They put advertising in schools for their shoes and create "Team Reebok" - sponsor public High School atheletic teams with discounted shoes in exchange for advertising space in the school. Always good to get the consumer when they are young. http://reebok.com http://www.motherjones.com/mustreads/041299.html (second story on the page) Are these the kinds of companies you were considering holding? I think they have traits in common with voteauction.com - specifically creating capitalism in places where capitalism should not exist. off to bed, I'll try out the email in the morning James To: "Scott Turchin" From: sandra baierl Subject: Re: Your site voteauction.com Cc: Bcc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, carl@micromusic.net, baumgj@rpi.edu, hans-peter.bernhard@sn.novartis.com, greg@ubermorgen.com X-Attachments: dear sir thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! we are with you! we will help you earn money by selling your vote and not giving it away for free as it was until voteauction.com entered the market. we do not have morals and we are proud about it, we are white male middleclass mid-europeans [although i am a woman, but i feel and think and act like a white male middle-class mid-european]. and... we are way closer to the place where democracy was founded than you! so it might be that we are just developed higher as a culture and therefore have a better view on future-developments. best regards sandra baierl sandra@ubermorgen.com You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats in relation to what you are doing. You can't sell out America this way. If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution for the LEGAL process of how to change government. What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any more foreign influence on our government. I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. Even our hackers have SOME MORALS. I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. To: Mark Anderson From: sandra baierl Subject: Re: WIRED News Voteauction.com story Cc: Bcc: carl@micromusic.net, liz@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, hans-peter.bernhard@sn.novartis.com X-Attachments: Dear Mr. Bernhard-- Dear Mr. Anderson My name is Sandra Baierl, i am the chief secretary of Mister Hans Bernhard. We did receive your email and Mister Bernhard has answered it within a couple of business-days. We do hope this communications problem was not our mistake! Mister Bernhard will be available at almost anytime for your call. His mobile phone number is +43 676 930 00 61, additionally you can try +43 1 968 10 22. Please call him between 8am and 11pm CET any day, including sat/sun. Underneath you find the prepared and again worked-over answers by Mister Bernhard. Mister Bernhard is looking forward to talk with the Journalist who helped us and even more voteauction.com, our new business-venture, to such great publicity! With best regards Sandra Baierl sandra@ubermorgen.com ---22.08.2000 / 19:45--- dear mark the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! i think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that i am considering investing in, including the prison industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: 1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! but, we do know how votes are bought, and we want it to be possible to buy votes directly from and to the voter - and we want the corporations to pay directly to the voters and not to other companies via the presidental candidate-commities. we consider our venture as a challenge to the existing b2b-election market. the transformation into a b2c market is our goal! we want a big piece of this cake. so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! the site is up; the technical implementation is currently ongoing. we expect it to be ready within the next 2-3 busines-days. 2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? we have been under investigation by american legal institutions several times over the last years. i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be pretty edgy. but what can you do? if you enter a new field, worst case scenarios are the key to success. and high-risk ventures most definitely are our prefered business-lifestyle. if we do run into serious legal troubles we will just delegate this business to one of our offshore companies, and they are definitely and perfectly out of reach! 3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? both parties have signed a contract including various non- disclosures. I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. I'm the reporter for WIRED News who first brought Voteauction.com to the public's attention. I'm now working on a story for WIRED that will cover its transition from graduate student Master of Fine Arts thesis project to (as I understand it) bonafide business venture. I have several questions below which I emailed earlier this week but perhaps may not have successfully delivered to your email box. (I suspect I put the wrong email address on my previous communication....) Please consider these questions and get back to me with your comments. Also, would you be available for a telephone interview sometime next week? Thank you for your time, Mark K. Anderson WIRED News Northampton, Mass. USA mkanders@javanet.com (413) 586-8961 / (253) 399-3201 fax > >1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > "Close Vote? You Can Bid On It" 17 Aug. 2000 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html "Voteauction Bids The Dust" 22 Aug. 2000 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355,00.html To: RTMark admin From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: wto/bichlbauer and voteauction.com Cc: baumgj@rpi.edu Bcc: X-Attachments: you rock! and your answers have been great. might also want to say at some point that this money is really corporate money--i mean, this is actually about getting the corporations' money directly to voters instead of to advertising intended to influence voters. the corporations want to get voters to vote one way or the other, so they give millions of dollars to campaigns--this allows them to give it directly to voters instead, since that's basically what they're doing anyhow, just inefficiently--this makes it much more efficient. rock on!! yeah, thankx for the info.. i am more of an intuitive than logic man, hehehe.. so the system goes like that: -the corps give money to the wannabe-presidents -then they spend it via media and advert companies [could even be the same companies, partially at least.] anyway it goes to other companies, so its b2b, now, we wanna make it b2c, right? we are user-driven/consumer focussed human oriented, thats why we say, give it to the people and not to the companies.. but! voteauction.com makes profit with what? with a margin / % of the transactions? let me know.. ok, will rock on.. as said.. the bichlbauer fax 2nd edition is out; everything else in future emails; ciao hans_e r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>one more thing hans--could you send the fax out again, and add a note to it somewhere stating that you are only able to speak on the 26th or 27th? that would be terrific. > >done.. >resend the fax with a small note saying that i will only be able to talk on the 26th and 27th; > >ciao! >hans_e > > >>onwards! >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >> >>>>fax to salzburg is out... >>>>used the follwoing infos: >>>> >>>>Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>World Trade Organization >>>>Trade Regulations Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: Governing Perspectives from the 1790 to the present.. >>>> >>>>shit.. just saw that i typed 1970 and not 1790.. fax is through.. hehehe. shit.. >>> >>>oh, that's exactly the same as it turns out! andreas is an expert on both subjects. >>> >>>>anyway.. >>>> >>>>today, did a nice abc-radio interview, james was first, i was second.. i was drunk slightly and outside of bar.. in the wind blowing into the microphone of mobile.. a good one! >>> >>>perfect!! abc the australian radio? >>> >>>>also, cnn tv is knocking on our door! + austrian local newspapers are also knocking, they wanna know who this austrian businessman is.. >>> >>>WOW! that's awesome. >>> >>>>ok, so much for now.. the story is getting really nice and hot.. hope the wto thing is also going into a nice direction with mister bichlbauer.. >>> >>>i think it will, if they haven't caught on yet they may simply not.... wheeee! this will be very fun if it works out. >>> >>>r >>> >>> >>>> >>>>hans_e >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>used the following info: >>>>>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>>> >>>>>>firm: World Trade Organization >>>>>> >>>>>>proposed title, hm, how about: >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: >>>> >>>>Governing Perspectives from 1790 to the Present >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>fantastic!!!! >>>>> >>>>>At 9:25 PM -0400 8/27/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>>>wow! well, you can always say you're not american, he's >>>simply wrong that >>>>>>>>you're traitorous... >>>>>>>>ciao >>>>>>>>r >>>>>>> >>>>>>>yeah, but i dont tell em!!! >>>>>>>no way, i am swiss...hehehe.. >>>>>>>austrian investor, whatever.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>the game is fun! man! >>>>>>>cu tomorrow.. >>>>>> >>>>>>great that you're enjoying it! lesser men would be >>>terrified... and for no >>>>>>reason. it's fun to piss off the big boys... >>>>>> >>>>>>>ah ja... pls confirm wto >>>>>>>speech title for the fax.. >>>>>>>will send it off tomorrow >>>>>>>during the day as soon as i >>>>>>>get feedback from you... >>>>>> >>>>>>ok, let's just go for: >>>>>> >>>>>>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>>> >>>>>>firm: World Trade Organization >>>>>> >>>>>>proposed title, hm, how about: >>>>>>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: >>>>>>Governing Perspectives from 1790 to the Present >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>If Frank objects before tomorrow, let's worry, otherwise I'm >>>sure it will >>>>>>work fine.... >>>>>> >>>>>>heh heh heh heh >>>>>>this will be the funnest trip ever, to little haider-loving salzburg... r >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hans_e >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>email works, I will try ftp in a few minutes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>k, let me know if everything goes well.. you do answer the emails? right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>here some nice threat-mail, we get a lot of em lately.. hehehe..: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Scott Turchin" To: , Subject: Your site >>>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:06:55 -0700 >>>>>>>>>X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>>>>>>>>Importance: Normal >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats >>>in relation to >>>>>>>>>what you are doing. >>>>>>>>>You can't sell out America this way. If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution >>>for the LEGAL >>>>>>>>>process of how to change government. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any more foreign influence on our government. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. >>>Even our hackers >>>>>>>>>have SOME MORALS. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>james >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>does everything work with the server? email, ftp...? >>>>>>>>>>>greetZ >>>>>>>>>>>hans_e >>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : >>>: : : : : : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>............................................................. >>>>>>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help >>>somewhere! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>> >>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>> >>> >>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > To: Andreas.Roesler@DerStandard.at From: ubermorgen Subject: voteauction.com, ihre anfrage Cc: Bcc: baumgj@rpi.edu, admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com X-Attachments: sg. herr roesler ich wurde soeben von unserem pr-dept. via james baumgartner ueber ihre anfrage zum voteauction.com-venture informiert. wir sind soeben in dieses high-risk business eingestiegen und werden die amerik. wahlen als testlauf / piloten fuer die entwicklung eines kommerziellen systems zum verkauf von waehler-stimmen nutzen. wir halten z.b. deutschland und england fuer sehr interessante zukunfts-maerkte. mehr dazu finden sie auf u.a. auf cnn.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html bitte kontaktieren sie mich bei bedarf unter hans@ubermorgen.com oder tel. +43 676 930 00 61 mfg/ hans bernhard -- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:40:03 +0200 From: Roesler Andreas To: "'baumgj@rpi.edu'" Subject: voteauction.com Dear James Baumgartner, I am online editor of the Austrian newspaper "Der Standard" (http:/derStandard.at) and i've read about voteauction.com on the "Industry Standard" homepage, where they say that you have sold the domain and content to an austrian e-commerce developer. So my question is: Could you tell me who this e-commerce developer is? with kind regards, Andreas Roesler-Schmidt derStandard.at andreas.roesler@derStandard.at http://derStandard.at/webTo: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: voteauction interview Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: hans, james please refresh my memory, what is the name of the holding company that controls voteauction.com now? we dont give out holding.. its a holding acting in the back.. one of the tips of this holding-iceberg is ubermorgen.com, an online e-commerc/e-marketing company in austria, the rest is behind the big fat hotel-doors and skyscrapers;; h_e stay tuned James To: Dan Harrie From: sandra baierl Subject: Re: voteauction.com Cc: Bcc: baumgj@rpi.edu, admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com X-Attachments: dear dan my name is sandra baierl, i am the chief secretary of mister hans bernhard. underneath you will find his answers to your questions as requested. Hi. My name is Dan Harrie. I am a staff writer for The Salt Lake Tribune. Have been following some of the stories involving voteauction.com with interest, and would like to write something for The Tribune. I understand that you are the new owner of the site. Is there a problem with the Justice Department in terms of violating federal or state laws? this is correct. mister hans bernhard is the new and very proud owner of voteauction.com. we see this as a major business-opportunity and we are testing this system in the current american electoral phase. in terms of the legal side of this very promising business, our lawyers are currently evaluating possible consequences for our holding company. although, we are not really taking this very serious! american federal or state law is not valid in europe and there is no political or institutional instance willing to prosecute, at least up to now... in case of any legal problems emerging we will just transfer the domain-ownership and the hosting server to an offshore place. that is the most secure way to operate such high-risk ventures. Is the site a satire of the current campaign finance system, or it is legitimate? we are not comedians! we are business-people. we are simply excited by the concept of cutting out the middleman and by giving the voter an incentive to sell his vote. until today, the voters have been manipulated and bought by advertisment and cheap promises by the candidates. we are challenging this. we will directly auction the votes. no more media/advert-companies getting the big piece of the cake! so, yes, we do think it is legitimate! for any furher questions to mister bernhard, please do not hesitate to contact me. best regards sandra baierl chief secretary ubermorgen.com sandra@ubermorgen.com www.ubermorgen.com I can be contacted at dharrie@sltrib.com or 801-257-8793. To: jeffys@phnx.uswest.net From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Grow Up! Cc: or@uswest.net Bcc: admin@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, frank@rtmark.com X-Attachments: Business may be business, but I can't believe you'll sell votes. dear jeff you have written to a daughter-company [ubermorgen.com] of the holding that purchased voteauction.com. never mind.. we were are also informed about the current situation with voteauction.com... so... we do imagine this to be a very nice and smooth business.. or better said by raymond chandler:: a very swell business! what happend to your company? uswest... i hear it is now qwest; or better said KPN qwest? best regards sandra baierl ubermorgen.com vienna/austria ps: although our holdings motivation is business- oriented, we do also think! so.. we would like to have the people voting getting money for their votes. the current situation is that hundreds of millions of dollars are spend by mr. bore and mister gush to buy votes, but the voters dont see money! we want to change this economically strange situation right now, right here on voteauction.com ! I'm not a crude person, but get a life and quit being carrion feeders! Elevate the population, folks! Jeff Simpson A Liberal American To: RTMark admin From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: bichlbauer salzburg invite? Cc: frank@rtmark.com Bcc: X-Attachments: howdy hans oh wow, that's amazing!! can you just put name: Andreas Bichlbauer firm: World Trade Organization proposed title, hm, how about: Trade Regulation Relaxation and Theories of Incremental Improvement sounds totally convincing.. although.. its not my field.. so dont know if this is good or not; but then, as i said, sounds long enough and slick enoug; so.. when we decided on a title, i will just fill out the form and send it in.. waiting for final title.. form is already signed and.. fuck man.. i will go deep down legally.. fucking voteauction.com, fucking signature of fucking bichlbauer mr. moore sub... shit, hope this togehter will not one day break my neck.. hehehe.. on the other hand.. i am preparing a good action myself so.. whaddaIwwant,, no risk-- no fun! just cover my ass if i goe down.. ok, cu then! greetZ hans_e That sounds earnest and foreign, no? What do you and Frank think? It would be nice to see other talk titles--but I'll bet they're just straightforward. wow r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>howdy hans! > >ey ray > >attached the fax i received as .jpg; >bout 400K total.. > >let me know if i shall answer or >do something with the fax.. >or if you print it out and fill >it out and send it back:... > >greetZ >hans_e > > >>have you had a chance to scan the bichlbauer details that were faxed to you? would love to see them, to know the date and time and format and all that. i hope they just expect him to show up, talk, and leave.... take care >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. > To: 7-11@mila.ljudmila.org From: net_CALLBOY Subject: voteauction.com Cc: Bcc: carl@micromusic.net, liz@ubermorgen.com, hans-peter.bernhard@sn.novartis.com, sinabina@econophone.ch, larac17@hotmail.com, kdudesek@compuserve.com, jana@sil.at, o@sil.at, will@protein.co.uk, frame@console.cc, cornelia@pop.snafu.de, kathy@vgtv.com, Alister.Mazzotti@privat.in-Berlin.com, meikoandryu@yahoo.com, WlodkowskiM@gmx.de, moni@ubermorgen.com, sai@telekurs.com, jodi@jodi.org, skeller@messebasel.ch, b2@c3.hu, restate@restate.org, kubli@etoy.com, richard.jochum@chello.at, jaydill@berkeleyidesign.com, antonio.c.pinto@risco.pt, tils@tils.net, studierende@vis-med.ac.at, rdd50828@mail.telepac.pt, galia@i-space.org, sarx@sarx.com, JIppolito@guggenheim.org, lia@sil.at X-Attachments: one hot thing... http://www.voteauction.com --> voteauction.com powered by ubermorgen.com [AND IT IS a criminal offense!?, but... just in the US!?] HAHAHA... enjoy! to get the connection, check this one!:: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html FULL press-archive under: http://rtmark.com/allpress.html#vot hans_extrem/etoy.HANSTo: Jon Goldstein From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: reporter seeks interview Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Dear sir, My name is Jon Goldstein and I am a reporter with SunSpot.net, the Baltimore Sun online. I would like to interview you concerning your voteauction.com site for our election coverage. Please respond with the best way to reach you. Thank You, Jon Goldstein Reporter SunSpot.net dear jon please do call me under: +43 1 968 10 22 from 9am - 9pm CET , any day best hans bernhard To: ryan@havenco.com (Ryan Lackey) From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: offshore hosting Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: dear ryan thank you very much for your offer. currently we are safe with the site- hosting in europe. but, i will keep your contact data, we might have some stuff we need to host really offshore. thx again bye hans If you'd be interested in hosting in a colo center in a jurisdiction with favorable laws for voteauction (anything is legal, other than spam/network attacks, and kiddie porn), which won't pull you server regardless of how much pressure is applied, HavenCo would love to have you as a customer. We have a datacenter in the North Sea, and are setting up 5-10 more datacenters in the next year in jursidictions with favorable laws. Each will have high-speed, redundant Internet connectivity, highly redundant power/cooling systems, and uniform remote management/administration tools. I saw you were saying the site would be back up in 24-48 months; we'd be happy to work with you to help you get it operational much faster than that. I can put you in contact with anonymous electronic cash providers as well as tamper-resistant systems for data processing which, combined with a good administrative/service policy, could help establish quite a bit of trust for users of your service. Sincerely, Ryan Lackey HavenCo: the free world just milliseconds away -- ryan@havenco.com     +41 1 27 42 491 (corporate, fax) Chief Technical Officer +44 (0)7970 633 277 (mobile) HavenCo, Ltd. ||| Secure Offshore Colocation ||| http://www.havenco.com/ 1024D/4096g 0xD2E0301F B8B8 3D95 F940 9760 C64B DE90 07AD BE07 D2E0 301F To: RTMark admin From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: cnn.com Cc: James M Baumgartner , frank@rtmark.com Bcc: X-Attachments: very good!!!, itzzzzz back there! stronger than ever!!! mail is also working: info@voteauction.com and pr@voteauction.com, i can check them here via IMAP [server side management of email].. james, pls call me and i can give you the password for IMAP email, so you and me can check info and pr via eudora/netscape or any other IMAP client.. you will do the communication of voteauction.com? best would be to always send a bcc to info@voteauction.com so i can also monitor the communications a bit and know whats going on... and, the scripts, send em to me and we will see that we can immediately implement them. or as i said, to make it even faster, call me, i give y su password and you can install yourself.. greetZ hans_e ps: as soon as we have the site properly working you/we can send out the press.release from pr@ voteauction.com ! i guess we will just continue to communicate as voteauction.com "company" but not as james b. but as xxx, who? how? when? we should then define the holding company behind.. think its best to have a company like a black hole.. one of these unknown and undercover holding companies with headquarters in austria.. and subsidiaries all over the world, also offshore companies etc... i owe richard.stenger@cnn.com a list of the web-sites/ companies controlled by our holding.. i have no idea yet, what to send him... if i should pick some strange company.. but i dont want to ruin the story for cnn.com with stupid childish stuff.. so if you have good ideas, please let me know.. and also please consider that i am still trying to include etoyHOLDING.com or some etoy stuff in a smart way.. IT WORKS!!! can see the site. for nslookup got [admin@rtmark admin]$ nslookup voteauction.com Server: ns.thing.net Address: 209.14.134.2 Name: voteauction.com Address: 62.116.31.68 wow! r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >ey all > >just got a call from cnn.com, richard stenger story is hot! he liked the holding thing... totally off the frontline, austrian holding company, business business business... no polit. motivation, pure test-pilot in order to evaluate the voting market potential for future big biz... etc.. etc.. blah blah.. > >another thing... > >THE SITE IS ONLINE! > >please check if voteauction.com is running from the us? > >on the shell, pls make : nslookup voteauction.com and check if you get ns1.sil.at > >and check via browser if you can view the site.. > >mail-form not running yet, please send us the scripts so we can implement them, or let me know if you wish to implement them yourself, could give you temp su account... > >also, if you have changes to the web-site, please upload docs per ftp: > >www.ubermorgen.com >login: ftp >passw: y/email > > >thx, greetZ >hans_e >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > > To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: cnn.com Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: hans et all, ey james good to have you back.. i am just going to bed.. you can call me 7:30am vienna time, equals 1:30am your time.. or if you go to bed too.. call me anytime tomorrow afternoon.. hear u then; ciao h_e sorry I didn't get back to you until now - I was flying all day, but now I'm back in Troy and ready to attack phase 2 I can't get to the new voteauction site by any method. When I type in voteauction.com I get my old screwed up page with the cgibin folder. When I enter your new IP numbers, 62.116.31.68 I get the "etxtreme.ru; your daily e-nfo breakfast page." Not sure why that is - could this be more "DNS propagation" errors? Hans, I can stay up late tonight and call you early morning Vienna time, how early is good for you? I could stay up to around 2 or 3 AM which I think is 8 or 9 AM your time? The other option would be for me to call around 9 AM NY time which is 3PM Vienna? Let me know which would work best for you. I'm not sure about which companies you should say that you also are holding, I'll search around tonight. By "holding" is that what Americans mean by "own stock?" These shady business deals are new to me. As for the cgi scripts - they weren't set up too efficiently the first time around, I just had everything forwarded to an email account and then I had to sort through all of the emails myself. I know some people who might be able to set up an automatic database system for the cgi bins. I'll look into it tonight and tomorrow. I'll work on identity for pr@voteauction.com... I'm not so good with the secret identity thing, but I'll give it a go. James On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >ey all > >just got a call from cnn.com, richard stenger story is hot! he liked the holding thing... totally off the frontline, austrian holding company, business business business... no polit. motivation, pure test-pilot in order to evaluate the voting market potential for future big biz... etc.. etc.. blah blah.. > >another thing... > >THE SITE IS ONLINE! > >please check if voteauction.com is running from the us? > >on the shell, pls make : nslookup voteauction.com and check if you get ns1.sil.at > >and check via browser if you can view the site.. > >mail-form not running yet, please send us the scripts so we can implement them, or let me know if you wish to implement them yourself, could give you temp su account... > >also, if you have changes to the web-site, please upload docs per ftp: > >www.ubermorgen.com >login: ftp >passw: y/email > > >thx, greetZ >hans_e >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > > To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: cnn.com Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com Bcc: X-Attachments: ey all just got a call from cnn.com, richard stenger story is hot! he liked the holding thing... totally off the frontline, austrian holding company, business business business... no polit. motivation, pure test-pilot in order to evaluate the voting market potential for future big biz... etc.. etc.. blah blah.. another thing... THE SITE IS ONLINE! please check if voteauction.com is running from the us? on the shell, pls make : nslookup voteauction.com and check if you get ns1.sil.at and check via browser if you can view the site.. mail-form not running yet, please send us the scripts so we can implement them, or let me know if you wish to implement them yourself, could give you temp su account... also, if you have changes to the web-site, please upload docs per ftp: www.ubermorgen.com login: ftp passw: y/email thx, greetZ hans_eTo: debra@domainbank.net From: net_CALLBOY Subject: voteauction.com dns change Cc: Bcc: baumgj@rpi.edu X-Attachments: dear debra mister james baumgartner gave me your email address. i have troubles login into domain manager. received password and login from you, but it only works for general login, not for domain manager. therefore, could you please change the dns and ip-address for voteauction.com dns: ns1.sil.at ns2.sil.at ip-address: 62.116.31.68 thank you very much in advance kind regards luzius a. bernhard kurrentgasse 10/22 a-1010 wien hans@ubermorgen.comTo: baumgj@rpi.edu From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Fwd: Re: voteauction.com dns change Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: hi james ok, thats done.. dns entries changed on domain-bank and entred here on ns1 and ns2.sil.at, sooo by tomorrow evening it should work! please make some trials/tests starting tomorrow to see from when on it works internationally.. the vhost is set, so the voteauction.com site you sent me via ftp is then online.. greetZ hans_e Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Debra Ann Browning" To: Subject: Re: voteauction.com dns change Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:25:46 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Hello, Is this the username and password information that you have? - Username: hans@ubermorgen.com Password: V]MIG1 Once you are logged in, click on Domain Manager. Click on Modify dns. That is where you can make the server changes. Old server values: NS2.JIRK.NET 216.10.27.6 NS.JIRK.NET 216.10.28.6 New server values: Server Name: NS1.SIL.AT IP Address: 194.152.178.1 Server Name: NS2.SIL.AT IP Address: 194.152.178.10 Where does this IP address come into play? - 62.116.31.68 The Name Server(s) have been successfully changed. Note: Modifications to DNS information require 24-48 hours to take effect. Updated Date: 2000-08-23 09:18:41 Please let me know if you have any further questions. Thank you for using Domain Bank Best Regards, Debra Browning Domain Bank, Inc. Http://www.domainbank.com (610) 317-9606 ----- Original Message ----- From: "net_CALLBOY" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:05 AM Subject: voteauction.com dns change > >dear debra > >mister james baumgartner gave me your email address. i have troubles login into domain manager. received password and login from you, but it only works for general login, not for domain manager. > >therefore, could you please change the dns and ip-address for > >voteauction.com > >dns: > >ns1.sil.at >ns2.sil.at > >ip-address: 62.116.31.68 > > >thank you very much in advance >kind regards > >luzius a. bernhard >kurrentgasse 10/22 >a-1010 wien > >hans@ubermorgen.com > > To: Mark Anderson From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Cc: Bcc: James M Baumgartner , frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com X-Attachments: dear mark the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! i think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that i am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: 1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer. or better said we would like to control or at least benefit from parts of the american election industry with our holding and specially with this exciting new biz-venture voteauction.com. so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! 2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? we have been under investigation by american legal institutions several times over the last years. so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be pretty edgy. but what can you do? worst case scenarios and high-risk ventures are our business-lifestyle and our key to success. if we run into serious legal troubles we will just delegate this business to one of our offshore companies, and they are definitely and perfectly out of reach! 3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? we have both signed a contract including various non- disclosures. I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. best regards luzius a. bernhard etoy holding ag, vienna/austria ps: our sub-company ubermorgen.com is in no way affiliated with the voteauction.com deal. it is one of our new media assets in europe. To: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com From: ubermorgen Subject: Re: VoteAuction.com Cc: Bcc: James M Baumgartner , frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com X-Attachments: Hello, dear billy the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! i think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that i am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer. or better said we would like to control or at least benefit from parts of the american election industry with our holding and specially with this exciting new biz-venture voteauction.com. so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! we have been under investigation by american legal institutions several times over the last years. so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be pretty edgy. but what can you do? worst case scenarios and high-risk ventures are our business-lifestyle and our key to success. if we run into serious legal troubles we will just delegate this business to one of our offshore companies, and they are definitely and perfectly out of reach! best regards luzius a. bernhard etoy holding ag, vienna/austria ps: our sub-company ubermorgen.com is in no way affiliated with the voteauction.com deal. it is one of our new media assets in europe. I recently spoke to James Baumgartner regarding voteauction.com, and he mentioned that you had decided to buy the domain. I am a reporter for a national college press service, based in Chicago, and am currently doing a write-up on the whole voteauction.com concept. Is there any information you can share with me in regards to the future of voteauction.com and any plans you have for the domain? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. A reply to this address will do just fine. Thank you, Billy O'Keefe Tribune Media Services Chicago, IL 60068 To: baumgj@rpi.edu From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING YOUR DOMAIN NAME Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: hi james just got the domain bank welcome message.. the entry has been made, but i cant yet change dns and ip address.. will try again tomorrow, they write it may take some time to be able to do changes on the dns, etc.. greetZ etoy.HANSTo: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: Fwd: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Cc: admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com Bcc: X-Attachments: etoy.Hans hi james http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355,00.html latest article by mark agree on the business side problem with etoy, although the connection has already been made with gwbush.com; so its not a far shot to etoy.. or better said it seems clear now that this is a activist/political/artistic thing.. so.. i suggest to push it hard, confusion and on the other side.. stick with the biz-case.. i will.. for the name.. dont matter if you use luzius bernhard, as you say.. registration will be easy to find out by whois.. so.. etoy.HANS is best if we stick with etoy attachement, otherwise just use luzius bernhard whaddayathink? hans_e Etoy is pretty famous for its actions including the etoy/etoys thing. If it comes out that etoy is now involved it will make it obvious thta the whole thing was a political action instead of a viable business, but everything was moving that way anyways. I can pretend to be ignorant of etoy's former actions for the time being. ("etoy, what's that? never heard of them.") Everything else looks pretty good, I'd like it to concentrate mostly on the idea that you want to make money off the corrupt American political system, perhaps to fund whatever you want to. I'll start calling you Hans_Extrem from now on in interviews, but once the sale goes through, it will be a matter of public record that Luzius Bernhard owns the domain. James On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >hi james >cc: ray/frank > >just got your press.release insert... >will answer that directly to you in a >minute.. > >got some press.requests... > >could you please feedmeback with infos i can throw and infos i cant.. the draft >is attached.. bad english formulations.. hae to work that over...[2nd mail from >mark/wirednews + answers]. i would definitely like to use etoy as puffer and to give the story a lot of corporate and pervert power...? whaddayathink? > >i think its better to have etoy.HANS [www.etoyACTION.com] talking/quoted in the press.release.. > >will upload a etoy.HODLING site on etoyACTION.com tonite.. before the press stuff goes out.. > >i plan to answer the chicago journalist [1st email] with a compilation of the underneath mentioned stuff.. > >pls reply asap.. > >thx hans_e > >---- >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>From: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com >>To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Cc: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com >>Subject: VoteAuction.com >>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:56:58 -0500 >> >>Hello, >> >>I recently spoke to James Baumgartner regarding voteauction.com, and he mentioned that you had decided to buy the domain. I am a reporter for a national college press service, based in Chicago, and am currently doing a write-up on the whole voteauction.com concept. Is there any information you can share with me in regards to the future of voteauction.com and any plans you have for the domain? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. A reply >to this address will do just fine. >>Thank you, >>Billy O'Keefe >>Tribune Media Services >>Chicago, IL 60068 > >--- > > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Subject: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 15:51:17 -0400 >>x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com >>From: Mark Anderson To: "Luzius Bernhard" >> >>Mr. Bernhard-- > >dear mark > >the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! > >please feel free to use one of my various aliases: etoy.HANS, luzius bernhard, hans_extrem, > >the company i am running is the etoy.CORPORATION holding, http://www.etoyACTION.com, the mother of the several etoy.SUB-COMPANIES [Ltd. companies] > >I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that I am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. > >>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >> >>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer, or better said we would like to control the american election industry as etoy.CORPORATION. we have certain interests... > >so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! > >>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >we have been accused by american legal institutions several times over the last years. > >it all started in 1995/96 with "the digital hijack". the austrian secret service was working on direct-orders from the CIA. they carried out 6am-housesearches, hearings and heavy duty actions by austrian police. the case was dropped after we delivered massive amounts of unuseable data and our lawyers forced the austrian secret service to drop the case or open a formal case. > >then in 1999 etoy.com was heavily prosecuted for over 100 points in a orange county court. the etoy.com domain was blocked due to the trade-mark conflict with eToys.com, the email-services have been illegally blocked by internic.net on direct request by eToys.com ... etc... also this case was dropped after massive net.resistance. > >so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be very bloody. but what can you do? worst case scenarios were our etoy.TEST-PILOT lifestyle, our corporate-partner from japan continues to support etoy, therefore.. just dont worry!; we are faster than you think, we are white male middleclass europeans; and we are young! > >>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > >we have both signed the contract including various non- disclosures. > >>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. > >best regards > >etoy.HANS [ceo etoyACTION.com] >luzius bernhard / hans_extrem > >hans@etoyACTION.com >http://www.etoyACTION.com > > >>Thank you for your time, >> >>Mark Anderson >>Northampton, Mass. USA >>253-399-3201 fax >>mkanders@javanet.com >> >> >>(*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html > >-- > >1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! > >hans@ubermorgen.com >m:+43[0]676.9300061 >ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 > > > To: baumgj@rpi.edu From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: USA Today reporter trying to reach you Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com Bcc: X-Attachments: Hello: I am trying to reach you to talk about VoteAuction.com they got me on etoy already.. kornblum from usa today came in with it straight.. i had to construct the etoy.HOLDING within about 10 miliseconds, so etoy.com was just the art.company, the etoy.HOLDING ispurely biz oriented holding with 7 companies talked about my business interest in the affair, didnt disclose any amount being paied, said the domain shall be online within the next 2 days.. talked about high-risk venture, but also about the possiblity to transfer it to one of our offshore companies if we get legal heat in europe.. so, the etoy.SHIT is in.. its just sticking to me.. hope this doesnt ruin the story, will try to keep it low... hans Could you send me the best way to reach you today? Thank you, Janet ************************* Janet Kornblum, jkornblum@usatoday.com http://ebriefing.usatoday.com 415 221-7615 4644 Geary Blvd. PMB 143 San Francisco, CA 94118 To: baumgj@rpi.edu From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Fwd: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Cc: admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com Bcc: X-Attachments: hi james cc: ray/frank just got your press.release insert... will answer that directly to you in a minute.. got some press.requests... could you please feedmeback with infos i can throw and infos i cant.. the draft is attached.. bad english formulations.. hae to work that over...[2nd mail from mark/wirednews + answers]. i would definitely like to use etoy as puffer and to give the story a lot of corporate and pervert power...? whaddayathink? i think its better to have etoy.HANS [www.etoyACTION.com] talking/quoted in the press.release.. will upload a etoy.HODLING site on etoyACTION.com tonite.. before the press stuff goes out.. i plan to answer the chicago journalist [1st email] with a compilation of the underneath mentioned stuff.. pls reply asap.. thx hans_e ---- Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com To: hans@ubermorgen.com Cc: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com Subject: VoteAuction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:56:58 -0500 Hello, I recently spoke to James Baumgartner regarding voteauction.com, and he mentioned that you had decided to buy the domain. I am a reporter for a national college press service, based in Chicago, and am currently doing a write-up on the whole voteauction.com concept. Is there any information you can share with me in regards to the future of voteauction.com and any plans you have for the domain? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. A reply to this address will do just fine. Thank you, Billy O'Keefe Tribune Media Services Chicago, IL 60068 --- Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 00 15:51:17 -0400 x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com From: Mark Anderson To: "Luzius Bernhard" Mr. Bernhard-- dear mark the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! please feel free to use one of my various aliases: etoy.HANS, luzius bernhard, hans_extrem, the company i am running is the etoy.CORPORATION holding, http://www.etoyACTION.com, the mother of the several etoy.SUB-COMPANIES [Ltd. companies] I think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that I am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: 1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer, or better said we would like to control the american election industry as etoy.CORPORATION. we have certain interests... so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! 2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? we have been accused by american legal institutions several times over the last years. it all started in 1995/96 with "the digital hijack". the austrian secret service was working on direct-orders from the CIA. they carried out 6am-housesearches, hearings and heavy duty actions by austrian police. the case was dropped after we delivered massive amounts of unuseable data and our lawyers forced the austrian secret service to drop the case or open a formal case. then in 1999 etoy.com was heavily prosecuted for over 100 points in a orange county court. the etoy.com domain was blocked due to the trade-mark conflict with eToys.com, the email-services have been illegally blocked by internic.net on direct request by eToys.com ... etc... also this case was dropped after massive net.resistance. so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be very bloody. but what can you do? worst case scenarios were our etoy.TEST-PILOT lifestyle, our corporate-partner from japan continues to support etoy, therefore.. just dont worry!; we are faster than you think, we are white male middleclass europeans; and we are young! 3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? we have both signed the contract including various non- disclosures. I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. best regards etoy.HANS [ceo etoyACTION.com] luzius bernhard / hans_extrem hans@etoyACTION.com http://www.etoyACTION.com Thank you for your time, Mark Anderson Northampton, Mass. USA 253-399-3201 fax mkanders@javanet.com (*) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html To: baumgj@rpi.edu From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Fwd: VoteAuction.com Cc: admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com Bcc: X-Attachments: Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com To: hans@ubermorgen.com Cc: WO'Keefe@Tribune.com Subject: VoteAuction.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:56:58 -0500 Hello, I recently spoke to James Baumgartner regarding voteauction.com, and he mentioned that you had decided to buy the domain. I am a reporter for a national college press service, based in Chicago, and am currently doing a write-up on the whole voteauction.com concept. Is there any information you can share with me in regards to the future of voteauction.com and any plans you have for the domain? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. A reply to this address will do just fine. Thank you, Billy O'Keefe Tribune Media Services Chicago, IL 60068 To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: FTP Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hans, I created a directory: www.ubermorgen.com/pub/transfer/voteauction I tried to view it in a browser, but with no luck. But the files should be there for you to take a look at what we've done so far. There are a few extra files that I accidentally transferred, but they should not get in the way too much. james its now running under: http://etxtreme.org/voteauction/index.htm i see we have to adapt the mail-form script, but we do that when domain is being transfered; greetZ hans_extrem James To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: sales contract Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hans, We should also write up some sort of sales contract for this that is legal and official and such. james we can do that, i can make you an invoice over 1 euro, and i can send you a 20 schilling = austrian money bill [equals about 1,5 euro]. you can do a small contract in order to have creative control over the site... please give me you postal address and i will do both today and send it off.. and send me the contract for evaluation and signature; i can then include it into the same package.. Also, for the payment, could you mail me an actual 1 Euro bill? If there is not a bill for 1 Euro, then whatever is the smallest denomination. I would like to frame it as part of my thesis presentation. Also, I would like to invite you to my thesis presentation on November 7, 2000 in Albany New York. This is going to be a press conference/presentation of all the documentation from the project. It could be quite interesting. thank you very much for the invitation! i will probabyl not make it to albany for the presentation, i have a conference/ lecture in south africa at the same time. what would be great if you could send me written material about your thesis, so i can read some of the background, etc.. last time i was in the NY area.. i have been to troy to visit kathy rae huffman some 2 years ago.. bestZ hans_extrem James To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: [123DOMAINS] 123domains.com (fwd) Cc: Bcc: liz@ubermorgen.com X-Attachments: Hans, We haven't talked too much about the terms of the sale. The rtmark people mentioned a couple of things, but I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page about this. This is the main component to my MFA thesis, so I would like to retain a certain amount of creative control. I might be hiring another designer to do a complete re-work of the site, and it would be greate to collaborate with you on ideas for growing the business, but I would like to retain some creative control. no problem there.. its your project! For legal reasons, I should be hired by your company as "Creative Consultant/ North American Public Relations Director" I will handle the press over here, but once they know that the business has been sold, they may want to talk to the Austrian Corporation that purchased it. Do you want me to give them your email or phone number if they ask? If you do want to talk to the press, we should agree on what the story is. Right now, I like the idea of keeping it as a "rabid capitalist" sort of thing. Perhaps, as an outsider looking at the American Political system, you see it as a corrupt system that you could profit from. You could even cite examples of the US government illegally influencing elections in other countries. ok, we can have a contract with you as a creative consultant/north american PR director. you just work for us, thats fine. as a freelancer and sub- contractor sort of.. about the story, send me some more information and i will surely cover this up and blow it up in terms of pr. you can hand out my email address and tel.no if you wish: +43 676 930 00 61 hans@ubermorgen.com . exactly.. we have bought this business because of the huge potential it offers us business-wise... we are very happy that the us-elections offer us such an opportunity, blahblah... give me some more argumentations you would like me to use in PR... greetZ hans_e I will soon try to ftp. James To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: [123DOMAINS] 123domains.com (fwd) Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hans, Here is a copy of the form that we will have to fill out to facilitate the transfer (sale) of voteauction.com. I will go to a notary public tomorrow so they can verify my signature. I will then fax it to you, you can sign it and either fax it back to me or directly to domain bank. Before I have my signature verified I will need all of the "New Registrant" information from you. hi james ok, here my dates: title: mag. print name: luzius bernhard [bernhard = family name] email address: hans@ubermorgen.com phone: +43 676 930 00 61 full address: luzius bernhard kurrentgasse 10/22 a-1010 vienna /austria Now that I think about it, we probably won't have to bother with fax machines. I could just scan the document and email it as an attachment. ok, no pro.. on monday our fax machine will work: fax: +43 1 968 10 22 I will work on ftp later today. ok, just drop me an email and i will install it right.. for dns entries; please give domain bank the following dns: ns1.sil.at ns2.sil.at i will as soon as possible make the dns entries for voteauction on ns1 and ns2.sil.at.. By the way, there were 82,030 hits for voteauction.com on Thursday, Friday and Saturday alone. I'm sure that number will ramp up once voteauction.com is on a more stable server. kewl.. our server can have many many hits/visits.. no pro.. anything missing, drop an email and if its very urgent, call me +43 676 930 00 61 ciao hans_extrem James ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:10:57 -0400 From: Christopher Haller To: James Baumgartner Subject: Re: [123DOMAINS] 123domains.com Please see attached form to transfer (sell) the domain name to another individual or business. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Baumgartner" To: Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 1:37 AM Subject: [123DOMAINS] 123domains.com >123DOMAINS BEGIN >============================================= Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by James Baumgartner (baumgj@rpi.edu) on Saturday, August 19, 2000 at 23:37:44 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >Phone: 518-506-7725 > >Comments: I would like to know what steps I will need to go through in order to sell my domain name: voteauction.com > >Submit: Submit > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >============================================= 123DOMAINS END Content-Type: APPLICATION/MSWORD; NAME="Registrant Name Change version 3.0.doc" Content-ID: Content-Description: Attachment converted: hans:Registrant Name Change version (WDBN/MSWD) (00007964) To: RTMark admin From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: Fwd: CILS Conference, Session on Int'l Trade, Salzburg, Austria, Oct. 26-29, 2... (fwd) Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: not yet.. but wait till tuesday or so.. had some troubles with fax-machine, will fixed tomorrow midday-- h_e howdy hans you never received a fax from these clowns, did you? r http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:46:18 -0400 From: Alice Foley To: Dennis Campbell Subject: Re: Fwd: CILS Conference, Session on Int'l Trade, Salzburg, Austria, Oct. 26-29, 2... Dear Professor Campbell, We have confirmed with the speaker. Here is his fax number: Dr. Andreas Bichlbauer fax: +43 [01] 968 10 22 Best wishes, Alice Foley >Just to be safe, we will email the information to you in the morning. > >Regards, Dennis Campbell > >Alice Foley wrote: > >>I'm very sorry, stupidly my fax machine stopped working this morning... I will try to find another number, but would it be possible to send the information by e-mail? >> >>In any case, I will simply be forwarding the information to Mr. Moore's substitute, so perhaps best to wait until that is confirmed, and then we can put you in touch directly. >> >>Best, >>Alice >> >>>Please send me your fax number and I will have the information faxed to you. >>> >>>Regards, Dennis Campbell >>> >>>Alice Foley wrote: >>> >>>>Dear Professor Campbell, >>>> >>>>Michael Devine has invited Mike Moore to send a speaker in his place to attend the CILS Conference in Salzburg. We would like to arrange the logistics as soon as possible, so that we may confirm this appearance with the speaker. >>>> >>>>Thank you very much for your understanding and flexibility. >>>> >>>>Best wishes, >>>> >>>>Alice Foley >>>>Assistant to Mike Moore >>>> >>>>Michael B. Devine wrote: >>>>>Dear Mr. Moore, >>>>> >>>>>Thank you for your email. >>>>> >>>>>Yes, you may send a substitute speaker. Please contact Professor Dennis Campbell directly about this. He has put together the final speakers' list, but I am sure that he can accommodate another speaker. You may contact Professor Campbell at the Center for International Legal Studies on email as follows: cils@cils.org When you contact Professor Campbell, please inform him that you are replying to my invitation to you to speak. >>>>> >>>>>Thank you and best wishes. >>>>> >>>>>Michael B. Devine > > To: James M Baumgartner From: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: IMPORTANT : i like hot potatoeeees! Cc: frank guerrero , ray@rtmark.com, pr@voteauction.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Bcc: X-Attachments: dear james thank you again for your interest; for ftp-access please use this ftp-address: www.ubermorgen.com login: ftp passw: your email address / i.e. baumgj@rpi.edu --> then goto /pub/transfer.. there you can upload the stuff.. i will then install a voteauction.com folder and vhost, and as soon as the domain points to this address voteauction will be back and online.. meanwhile we can have it under http://www.etxtreme.org/voteauction ; send me an email as soon as you uploaded the stuff.. and i will transfer and install it.. thank you, SIR! WE do also look forward to collaborate with you on this exciting projekt all around the election industry! yours hans_extrem Hans, Thank you for your interest in purchasing voteauction.com. I think that together, we can bring a new dimension to this business enterprise. As you may have heard, voteauction has experienced a few problems with our hosting company, the most important being that we could not gain ftp access to the site in order to properly update it. We felt that it would be better to temporarily bring the site down instead of exposing voteauction to possible criminal prosecution. Along with the sale of the voteauction.com address, we will also include all of the website materials. Currently, we are trying to locate a server on which we can temporarily move the site so that you may see and test the site before you invest your hard-earned Euro in it. If you have a server handy that I could ftp to, perhaps we could create a www.[blahblah].com/voteauction folder where I could place the site for your personal perusal. Please let me know if you have access to such a server. I look forward to working with you in this exciting new election industry! Sincerely, James Baumgartner voteauction.com "Bringing Capitalism and Democracy Closer Together" Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:47:03 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: Shane Mayer cc: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Database for voteauction.com Hans, meet Shane. Shane, Hans. Shane is going to help out with setting up a database for all of the online forms. He will email Hans with questions about the ubermorgen server. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:04:56 -0400 From: Public Relations X-Accept-Language: en To: "Bringer, Francois" Subject: Re: TV story Mr. Bringer, There are a couple of people you could talk to about voteauction.com. James Baumgartner started the site, you can reach him at baumgj@rpi.edu or 518-274-2944. Hans Bernhard currently owns and operates the site. You can reach him at hans@ubermorgen.com. Public Relations voteauction.com "Bringer, Francois" wrote: >Hello, I'm a producer for CNN in New York. Am trying to get more details about your webpage/motives, etc in view of a story for one of our Broadcasts, closer to the election. Pls send me via e-mail or phone the name of somebody from your outfit I could talk to. > >Thanking you in advance > >Best Regards: > >Francois.Bringer@turner .com CNN NY >212 714 6942Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:00:36 -0400 From: Public Relations X-Accept-Language: en To: ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com Subject: Press Release 3 Voteauction team: I've been working on this press release for a while now and I haven't been able to really put it together. I'd like to get it out tomorrow morning, if possible. It repeats itself a few times because I wasn't sure exactly how I want to say things. Voteauction.com relaunches under new ownership with new added features. ---- Election industry leader, voteauction.com, the first website to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the public, is re-launching to better serve the voting and vote-buying public. Voteauction.com has already been featured in many print and broadcast media, including wirednews.com, cnn.com, NY1 News, abcnews.com, Minnesota Public Radio’s Future Tense, slate.com, slashdot.com, transfert.net, Schenectady Daily Gazette, WDAF Fox4News in Kansas City, and KPIX in San Francisco. Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 with the simple idea of bringing the big money of campaign contributions directly to the voting public. “When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day,” says Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. “Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for this election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power.” After receiving a message from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner decided to shut down the site. Shortly thereafter, he received an offer to sell the site to Austrian businessman, Hans Bernhard. “I feel that the American Election Industry provides many opportunities for the foreign investor. I believe that voteauction.com will be a great compliment to my other American investments, including holdings in the Corrections Industry, Secondary Education Industry and Genetic Information Industry. As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor.” Voteauction.com has recently changed ownership. It is now owned by an Austrian holding company that has invested in many of America's new, emerging industries. We feel that the American Election Industry provides unique new opportunities for the foreign investor. We purchased voteauction.com in order to investigate the profit-making potential of the American Election Industry. Until recently, the Election Industry was controlled by an exclusive group of political consultants. These consultants spend the campaign contributors' money on advertising while taking a 10-15% cut for themselves. The political consultants are paid based on their ability to "deliver" voters to the candidates. This effectively treats the voters as a product to be sold to the candidates (and/or their campaign contributors.) This is similar to the way television (and other media outlets) operate. In television, the end product is the viewer whose attention is sold to television's customer, the advertiser. Voteauction.com has created a new paradigm in the election industry. Now the voters can take control of their voting capital and campaign investors will see a greater return on their investment. 50% of the voting age population routinely stays home on election day. Are they fed up with the system? Are they disappointed by the two major parties? Are they desensitized by the thousands of political ads they see on Television? Voteauction.com will allow these voters to profit from their democratic capital. By offering their voting capital at auction, these traditionally non-voting citizens will be participating in the democratic process and the expanding economy. Voteauction.com also provides a more efficient method for campaign investors to obtain their objectives. When a major communication company contributes over a million dollars to a political party, do they hope that this investment will result in increased profits? Of course they do! Although they may have a net worth of billions of dollars, most corporations do not spend 1 million dollars without some hope of a return on their investment. Unfortunately, 10-15% of this investment is taken off the top by the campaign consultants. Voteauction.com allows campaign investors to get their dollar's worth by connecting them directly with the voters. Attachment converted: hans:pressrelease3.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (0000A57B) Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank guerrero Subject: Re: wto/bichlbauer and voteauction.com >fax to salzburg is out... >used the follwoing infos: > >Andreas Bichlbauer >World Trade Organization >Trade Regulations Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: Governing Perspectives from the 1790 to the present.. > >shit.. just saw that i typed 1970 and not 1790.. fax is through.. hehehe. shit.. oh, that's exactly the same as it turns out! andreas is an expert on both subjects. >anyway.. > >today, did a nice abc-radio interview, james was first, i was second.. i was drunk slightly and outside of bar.. in the wind blowing into the microphone of mobile.. a good one! perfect!! abc the australian radio? >also, cnn tv is knocking on our door! + austrian local newspapers are also knocking, they wanna know who this austrian businessman is.. WOW! that's awesome. >ok, so much for now.. the story is getting really nice and hot.. hope the wto thing is also going into a nice direction with mister bichlbauer.. i think it will, if they haven't caught on yet they may simply not.... wheeee! this will be very fun if it works out. r > >hans_e > > > > > >>used the following info: >>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >>> >>>firm: World Trade Organization >>> >>>proposed title, hm, how about: >>> > > > >>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: > >Governing Perspectives from 1790 to the Present > > > >>fantastic!!!! >> >>At 9:25 PM -0400 8/27/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>wow! well, you can always say you're not american, he's simply wrong that you're traitorous... >>>>>ciao >>>>>r >>>> >>>>yeah, but i dont tell em!!! >>>>no way, i am swiss...hehehe.. >>>>austrian investor, whatever.. >>>> >>>>the game is fun! man! >>>>cu tomorrow.. >>> >>>great that you're enjoying it! lesser men would be terrified... and for no reason. it's fun to piss off the big boys... >>> >>>>ah ja... pls confirm wto >>>>speech title for the fax.. >>>>will send it off tomorrow >>>>during the day as soon as i >>>>get feedback from you... >>> >>>ok, let's just go for: >>> >>>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >>> >>>firm: World Trade Organization >>> >>>proposed title, hm, how about: >>>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: >>>Governing Perspectives from 1790 to the Present >>> >>> >>>If Frank objects before tomorrow, let's worry, otherwise I'm sure it will work fine.... >>> >>>heh heh heh heh >>>this will be the funnest trip ever, to little haider-loving salzburg... r >>> >>> >>>> >>>>hans_e >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>> >>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>email works, I will try ftp in a few minutes. >>>>>> >>>>>>k, let me know if everything goes well.. you do answer the emails? right? >>>>>> >>>>>>here some nice threat-mail, we get a lot of em lately.. hehehe..: >>>>>> >>>>>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>From: "Scott Turchin" To: , Subject: Your site >>>>>>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:06:55 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>>>>>Importance: Normal >>>>>> >>>>>>You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats in relation to what you are doing. >>>>>>You can't sell out America this way. If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution for the LEGAL process of how to change government. >>>>>> >>>>>>What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any more foreign influence on our government. >>>>>> >>>>>>I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. Even our hackers have SOME MORALS. >>>>>> >>>>>>I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>james >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>does everything work with the server? email, ftp...? >>>>>>>>greetZ >>>>>>>>hans_e >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>> >>>>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>>> >>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>> >>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: Public Relations , ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Press release 3: frank Edit >i have started an edit, see below- i think the second half (below where i stopped editing at "Now under new ownership" needs to concentrate on what the new features are exactly that are on the site. You can attach all of the history and commentary to the features section- but on its own i think it doesnt work so well- i agree--i think it starts very well, but gets very weak in the second half. >so, for example, if you are offering "do-it-yourself" guidelines for selling votes, this could easily be the hook for talking about the normal overhead involved in campaign spending. > >or, if you have new "discussion groups" this could be pitched as a kind of "forum" where the company can predict that according to their own studies voteauction.com's forums will be public spaces that the company is graciously providing for both its customers AND its detractors, just like Shell oil has done with its website for anti-shell environmentalists and investors alike. great idea see btw http://rtmark.com/shell/ >It also wouldnt be bad to get somthing in here about Hans' character- this is exactly the type of thing a company would send out "Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business successes have combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. His formula is simple: "I look for areas where new technologies can simultaneously exploit social needs arising from de-regulation and provide a service to the exploited." Says Bernhard, "Voteauction.com is a win-win situation- because according to my analysis everyone is exploited by their campaign finance system, so many people will want to sell..." > >okay, so this is too long and stuff, but maybe a little crazy... up till "according to my analysis" i think it's brilliant--should have something softer. >gotta step out for a while- looking great! but this one needs a little making over before it goes out. how about waiting a day and kicking the edit back and forth a bit more? i agree--here are a couple more edits >Voteauction.com relaunches under new ownership with new added features. > >---- >Election industry leader, voteauction.com, the first website to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the public, is re-launching to better serve the voting public. > >Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 with the simple idea of bringing the big money of campaign contributions directly to the voting public. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. "Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for this election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." > >After receiving a message from the New York City Election Commission, i'd make this stronger than "receiving a message"--something that really makes it seem like the danger was real and for sure and there was no way you were going to come through... maybe that briefly explains how illegal it may have been in ny state--"laws preventing the buying of votes from individual voters" (try to make clear votes are being bought anyhow) >Baumgartner decided to shut down the site, but not before it had been featured in the media, including wirednews.com, cnn.com, NY1 News, abcnews.com, >and Minnesota Public Radio, among others. > >News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans Bernhard, who made an offer to purchase voteauction.com. "As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor, " Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a technological pioneer in the elections industry, will be a great compliment to my other American investments, including holdings it's spelled "complement" in this case, i think maybe shouldn't say "my other" because hans hasn't yet made those other investments, he's only thinking about it, and has said so to the press. maybe instead just "will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities in the Corrections and Education industries." (what's that Genetic Information Industry?) >in the Corrections Industry, Secondary Education Industry and Genetic Information Industry." > >Now under new ownership, voteauction.com promises improved features and delivery. > > yeah, this is where it gets a bit long--the bio of hans would be a great idea, and maybe some specific plans on what might be done to increase its value, like the discussion boards and all that. the stuff below should just go up on the website. i agree it needs at least another day of work... ray > >Until recently, the Election Industry was controlled by an exclusive group of political consultants. These consultants spend the campaign contributors' money on advertising while taking a 10-15% cut for themselves. The political consultants are paid based on their ability to "deliver" voters to the candidates. This effectively treats the voters as a product to be sold to the candidates (and/or their campaign contributors.) This is similar to the way television (and other media outlets) operate. In television, the end product is the viewer whose attention is sold to television's customer, the advertiser. The recent surge in e-commerce, a system which can deliver the shopper directly to the advertisers web page > >Voteauction.com has created a new paradigm in the election industry. Now the voters can take control of their voting capital and campaign investors will see a greater return on their investment. > >50% of the voting age population routinely stays home on election day. Are they fed up with the system? Are they disappointed by the two major parties? Are they desensitized by the thousands of political ads they see on Television? Voteauction.com will allow these voters to profit from their democratic capital. By offering their voting capital at auction, these traditionally non-voting citizens will be participating in the democratic process and the expanding economy. > >Voteauction.com also provides a more efficient method for campaign investors to obtain their objectives. When a major communication company contributes over a million dollars to a political party, do they hope that this investment will result in increased profits? Of course they do! Although they may have a net worth of billions of dollars, most corporations do not spend 1 million dollars without some hope of a return on their investment. Unfortunately, 10-15% of this investment is taken off the top by the campaign consultants. Voteauction.com allows campaign investors to get their dollar's worth by connecting them directly with the voters. > >Voteauction.com has already Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:56:19 -0500 To: Public Relations , ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com From: frank guerrero Subject: Press release 3: frank Edit i have started an edit, see below- i think the second half (below where i stopped editing at "Now under new ownership" needs to concentrate on what the new features are exactly that are on the site. You can attach all of the history and commentary to the features section- but on its own i think it doesnt work so well- so, for example, if you are offering "do-it-yourself" guidelines for selling votes, this could easily be the hook for talking about the normal overhead involved in campaign spending. or, if you have new "discussion groups" this could be pitched as a kind of "forum" where the company can predict that according to their own studies voteauction.com's forums will be public spaces that the company is graciously providing for both its customers AND its detractors, just like Shell oil has done with its website for anti-shell environmentalists and investors alike. It also wouldnt be bad to get somthing in here about Hans' character- this is exactly the type of thing a company would send out "Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business successes have combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. His formula is simple: "I look for areas where new technologies can simultaneously exploit social needs arising from de-regulation and provide a service to the exploited." Says Bernhard, "Voteauction.com is a win-win situation- because according to my analysis everyone is exploited by their campaign finance system, so many people will want to sell..." okay, so this is too long and stuff, but maybe a little crazy... gotta step out for a while- looking great! but this one needs a little making over before it goes out. how about waiting a day and kicking the edit back and forth a bit more? Frank Voteauction.com relaunches under new ownership with new added features. ---- Election industry leader, voteauction.com, the first website to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the public, is re-launching to better serve the voting public. Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 with the simple idea of bringing the big money of campaign contributions directly to the voting public. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. "Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for this election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." After receiving a message from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner decided to shut down the site, but not before it had been featured in the media, including wirednews.com, cnn.com, NY1 News, abcnews.com, and Minnesota Public Radio, among others. News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans Bernhard, who made an offer to purchase voteauction.com. "As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor, " Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a technological pioneer in the elections industry, will be a great compliment to my other American investments, including holdings in the Corrections Industry, Secondary Education Industry and Genetic Information Industry." Now under new ownership, voteauction.com promises improved features and delivery. Until recently, the Election Industry was controlled by an exclusive group of political consultants. These consultants spend the campaign contributors' money on advertising while taking a 10-15% cut for themselves. The political consultants are paid based on their ability to "deliver" voters to the candidates. This effectively treats the voters as a product to be sold to the candidates (and/or their campaign contributors.) This is similar to the way television (and other media outlets) operate. In television, the end product is the viewer whose attention is sold to television's customer, the advertiser. The recent surge in e-commerce, a system which can deliver the shopper directly to the advertisers web page Voteauction.com has created a new paradigm in the election industry. Now the voters can take control of their voting capital and campaign investors will see a greater return on their investment. 50% of the voting age population routinely stays home on election day. Are they fed up with the system? Are they disappointed by the two major parties? Are they desensitized by the thousands of political ads they see on Television? Voteauction.com will allow these voters to profit from their democratic capital. By offering their voting capital at auction, these traditionally non-voting citizens will be participating in the democratic process and the expanding economy. Voteauction.com also provides a more efficient method for campaign investors to obtain their objectives. When a major communication company contributes over a million dollars to a political party, do they hope that this investment will result in increased profits? Of course they do! Although they may have a net worth of billions of dollars, most corporations do not spend 1 million dollars without some hope of a return on their investment. Unfortunately, 10-15% of this investment is taken off the top by the campaign consultants. Voteauction.com allows campaign investors to get their dollar's worth by connecting them directly with the voters. Voteauction.com has alreadyDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:03:56 -0400 From: Public Relations X-Accept-Language: en To: frank guerrero CC: ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: Re: Press release 3: JMB edit It will be at least a couple of days before the database stuff is working so it wouldn't hurt to hold off until then. > > >Voteauction.com relaunches under new ownership with new added features. > >---- >Election industry leader, voteauction.com, the first website to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the public, is re-launching to better serve the voting public. > >Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 with the simple idea of bringing the big money of campaign contributions directly to the voting public. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. "Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for this election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." > >After receiving a warning from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner decided to shut down the site. Not only is selling your vote illegal in New York, even offering your vote for sale is a felony. But even while voteauction.com was shut down, it was featured in the media, including wirednews.com, cnn.com, NY1 News, abcnews.com, and Minnesota Public Radio, among others. > I guess that's kind of an awkward sentence getting back to the stuff about the media. Perhaps some of the bigger media references should be put in a list at the top? > >News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans Bernhard, who made an offer to purchase voteauction.com. "As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor, " Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a technological pioneer in the elections industry, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities in the Corrections and Education industries." Perhaps the "Genetic Information Industry" sounds a bit too fake. I am sure that it will come along in the next couple of years now that the Human Genome Project is wrapping up. >Bernard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business successes have combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. "I look for areas where new technologies can capitalize on social needs arising from de-regulation and privitization while simultaneously providing a service to individuals disenfranchised by the privitization process," says Bernhard, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election process where voters and campaign investors can come together directly." Although I like using "win-win" I wonder if anyone really says that anymore. Instead, I like the other business buzzword favorite, "Paradigm." > > >Now under new ownership, voteauction.com promises improved features. >First there is the Voteauction Action Team (VAT.) VAT allows users to cash in on their voting capital while avoiding the volitility of the voteauction.com market. VAT members will be able to download promotional material and graphics from the voteauction.com website. They can then market their votes directly to the campaign investors in their area. This will allow them to market their vote not only for President, but for any number of local and state elections. It will also help the campaign investor avoid the usual 10-15% overhead charged by most political consultants. VAT membership and all downloads will be provided free of charge. >Secondly, there is the Voteauction.com message board. This public forum will allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors to post their views on the voteauction.com mission. Voteauction.com has received many email supporting what we are trying to accomplish. We feel that a public message board is the best way for people to express their support or their [what's a better word than disgust?] of voteauction.com that could use a little more fleshing out. yeah, the rest of it is junk as far as a press release goes. Most of it has a place on the website but not here >Until recently, the Election Industry was controlled by an exclusive group of political consultants. These consultants spend the campaign contributors' money on advertising while taking a 10-15% cut for ....... JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:15:57 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: Public Relations cc: frank guerrero , ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: Re: Press release 3: ray edit 2 >It will be at least a couple of days before the database stuff is working so it wouldn't hurt to hold off until then. > >> >> >>Voteauction.com relaunches under new ownership with new added features. >> >>---- >>Election industry leader, voteauction.com, the first website to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the public, is re-launching to better serve the voting public. >> >>Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 with the simple idea of bringing the big money of campaign contributions directly to the voting public. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. "Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for this election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." >> >>After receiving a warning from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner decided to shut down the site. Not only is selling your vote illegal in New York, even offering your vote for sale is a felony. But even while voteauction.com was shut down, it was featured in the media, including wirednews.com, cnn.com, NY1 News, abcnews.com, and Minnesota Public Radio, among others. >> > >I guess that's kind of an awkward sentence getting back to the stuff about the media. Perhaps some of the bigger media references should be put in a list at the top? you mean totally separately? that would be unorthodox--i think it's ok as is, but keep only the important ones: maybe something like "it was being featured on television (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) and in print (AP, USA Today, New York Times, etc.)." >> >>News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans Bernhard, who made an offer to purchase voteauction.com. "As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor, " Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a technological pioneer in the elections industry, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities in the Corrections and Education industries." > >Perhaps the "Genetic Information Industry" sounds a bit too fake. I am sure that it will come along in the next couple of years now that the Human Genome Project is wrapping up. yeah, it doesn't ring a bell offhand >>Bernard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business successes have combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. "I look for areas where new technologies can capitalize on social needs arising from de-regulation and privitization while simultaneously providing a service to individuals disenfranchised by the privitization process," says Bernhard, privatization >>"Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election process where voters and campaign investors can come together directly." > >Although I like using "win-win" I wonder if anyone really says that anymore. Instead, I like the other business buzzword favorite, "Paradigm." > > >> >> >>Now under new ownership, voteauction.com promises improved features. > >>First there is the Voteauction Action Team (VAT.) VAT allows users to cash (VAT). >>in on their voting capital while avoiding the volitility of the volatility >>voteauction.com market. VAT members will be able to download promotional material and graphics from the voteauction.com website. They can then market their votes directly to the campaign investors in their area. This will allow them to market their vote not only for President, but for any number of local and state elections. It will also help the campaign investor avoid the usual 10-15% overhead charged by most political consultants. VAT membership and all downloads will be provided free of charge. you should explain why people would do this--actually, to tell the truth, i don't quite understand this VAT thing.... needs to be clearer i think. >>Secondly, there is the Voteauction.com message board. This public forum will allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors to post their views on the voteauction.com mission. Voteauction.com has received many email supporting what we are trying to accomplish. We feel that a public message board is the best way for people to express their support or their [what's a better word than disgust?] of voteauction.com > >that could use a little more fleshing out. yes--will re-look after it's fleshed out. ray >yeah, the rest of it is junk as far as a press release goes. Most of it has a place on the website but not here > >>Until recently, the Election Industry was controlled by an exclusive group of political consultants. These consultants spend the campaign contributors' money on advertising while taking a 10-15% cut for ....... > >James Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Mayer Subject: Re: Database for voteauction.com To: net_CALLBOY Hans, Sorry to take so long to get back to you, I'm working on another project that consumes my daytime. Do you know what our time difference is (I think its 6 hours), I'll try calling you tomorrow in (my) morning. Actually, cgi-bin isn't an issue any more. I modified the pages to use php instead, since you have it installed. MySQL access would be great! If I could get ssh access and a database to work on it would my life alot easier. I can also send you table definitions if that would be easier. Sorry about that returned email. That was me. I forgot to change an email address in a php script I uploaded. I'll contact you tomorrow. peace. Shane --- net_CALLBOY wrote: >>Hans, > >hey shane > >good to meet you! > >>I am helping out James with VoteAuction.com and I >have >>a few questions about the availability of cgi-bin >and >>databases. > >kewl! > >>1. I saw that there is access to php3 on the site. Do we have access to a cgi-bin directory? Some of >the >>pages are already designed to use CGI, it just >makes >>my life easier. > >cgi directory is: >/usr/lib/cgi-bin > >but you dont have permission to write there as user: voteauction. > >i think the best would be if you could call me right now.. i would give you the super- user password temporarily, you set it up and i change it back. > >its a bit critical because this is our >most important server [front-end web-server]; but if you can do pretty fast.. no pro.. just be very carefull... > >call me and i give you su pass: >+436769300061 > >>2. Do you have a database I could access? All I >need >>is a couple of tables to hold e-mail addresses and some demographic information. Again this would >make >>managing the site easier. > >there is MySQL running.. sure, you can use it for this... > >ok, also.. it would be good to have icq comm when you work on it.. so you can ask me stuff. its a debian linux running, thats doesnt make it easier.. different filestrucutre, etc.. > >icq 38302022 > >ciao! >hans_e > > >> >> >>thanks, >>Shane Mayer >> >> >>--- James M Baumgartner wrote: >>>Hans, meet Shane. Shane, Hans. >>> >>>Shane is going to help out with setting up a database for all of the >>>online forms. He will email Hans with questions about the ubermorgen >>>server. >>> >>>James >>> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from >anywhere! >>http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema >hans@ubermorgen.com. . >. . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: Re: wto/bichlbauer and voteauction.com >>you rock! >>and your answers have been great. >>might also want to say at some point that this money is really corporate money--i mean, this is actually about getting the corporations' money directly to voters instead of to advertising intended to influence voters. the corporations want to get voters to vote one way or the other, so they give millions of dollars to campaigns--this allows them to give it directly to voters instead, since that's basically what they're doing anyhow, just inefficiently--this makes it much more efficient. rock on!! > >yeah, thankx for the info.. i am more >of an intuitive than logic man, hehehe.. > >so the system goes like that: > >-the corps give money to the wannabe-presidents -then they spend it via media and advert >companies [could even be the same companies, partially at least.] anyway it goes to other companies, so its b2b, now, we wanna make it b2c, right? we are user-driven/consumer focussed human oriented, thats why we say, give it to the people and not to the companies.. OOOOOOOOH! that is very beautiful. it's pure beautiful 100% deep corporate poetry. and it's exact. >but! voteauction.com makes profit with what? with a margin / % of the transactions? ah, that's confusing.... james? i think it's a margin/%.... and james, how's that press release going? available anytime to look/nag. r > >let me know.. > >ok, will rock on.. > >as said.. the bichlbauer fax 2nd edition is out; everything else in future emails; > >ciao >hans_e > > >>r >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>>>one more thing hans--could you send the fax out again, and add a note to it somewhere stating that you are only able to speak on the 26th or 27th? that would be terrific. >>> >>>done.. >>>resend the fax with a small note saying that i will only be able to talk on the 26th and 27th; >>> >>>ciao! >>>hans_e >>> >>> >>>>onwards! >>>>r >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>> >>>>>>fax to salzburg is out... >>>>>>used the follwoing infos: >>>>>> >>>>>>Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>>>World Trade Organization >>>>>>Trade Regulations Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: Governing Perspectives from the 1790 to the present.. >>>>>> >>>>>>shit.. just saw that i typed 1970 and not 1790.. fax is through.. hehehe. shit.. >>>>> >>>>>oh, that's exactly the same as it turns out! andreas is an >>>expert on both >>>>>subjects. >>>>> >>>>>>anyway.. >>>>>> >>>>>>today, did a nice abc-radio interview, james was first, i was second.. i was drunk slightly and outside of bar.. in the wind blowing into the microphone of mobile.. a good one! >>>>> >>>>>perfect!! abc the australian radio? >>>>> >>>>>>also, cnn tv is knocking on our door! + austrian local newspapers are also knocking, they wanna know who this austrian businessman is.. >>>>> >>>>>WOW! that's awesome. >>>>> >>>>>>ok, so much for now.. the story is getting really nice and hot.. hope the wto thing is also going into a nice direction with mister bichlbauer.. >>>>> >>>>>i think it will, if they haven't caught on yet they may simply not.... wheeee! this will be very fun if it works out. >>>>> >>>>>r >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>hans_e >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>used the following info: >>>>>>>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>firm: World Trade Organization >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>proposed title, hm, how about: >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental Improvement: >>>>>> >>>>>>Governing Perspectives from 1790 to the Present >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>fantastic!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>At 9:25 PM -0400 8/27/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>wow! well, you can always say you're not american, he's >>>>>simply wrong that >>>>>>>>>>you're traitorous... >>>>>>>>>>ciao >>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>yeah, but i dont tell em!!! >>>>>>>>>no way, i am swiss...hehehe.. >>>>>>>>>austrian investor, whatever.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>the game is fun! man! >>>>>>>>>cu tomorrow.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>great that you're enjoying it! lesser men would be >>>>>terrified... and for no >>>>>>>>reason. it's fun to piss off the big boys... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>ah ja... pls confirm wto >>>>>>>>>speech title for the fax.. >>>>>>>>>will send it off tomorrow >>>>>>>>>during the day as soon as i >>>>>>>>>get feedback from you... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>ok, let's just go for: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>name: Andreas Bichlbauer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>firm: World Trade Organization >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>proposed title, hm, how about: >>>>>>>>Trade Regulation Relaxation and Concepts of Incremental >>>Improvement: >>>>>>>>Governing Perspectives from 1790 to the Present >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If Frank objects before tomorrow, let's worry, otherwise I'm >>>>>sure it will >>>>>>>>work fine.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>heh heh heh heh >>>>>>>>this will be the funnest trip ever, to little >>>haider-loving salzburg... >>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>hans_e >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>email works, I will try ftp in a few minutes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>k, let me know if everything goes well.. you do answer the emails? right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>here some nice threat-mail, we get a lot of em lately.. hehehe..: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Scott Turchin" To: , Subject: Your site >>>>>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:06:55 -0700 >>>>>>>>>>>X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>>>>>>>>>>Importance: Normal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats >>>>>in relation to >>>>>>>>>>>what you are doing. >>>>>>>>>>>You can't sell out America this way. If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution >>>>>for the LEGAL >>>>>>>>>>>process of how to change government. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any >>>more foreign >>>>>>>>>>>influence on our government. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. >>>>>Even our hackers >>>>>>>>>>>have SOME MORALS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>james >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>does everything work with the server? email, ftp...? >>>>>>>>>>>>>greetZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>hans_e >>>>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : >>>>>: : : : : : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>............................................................. >>>>>>>>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help >>>>>somewhere! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : >>>: : : : : : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>............................................................. >>>>>>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get >>help somewhere! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>1.........2.........3.........4.........5.........6.........7 >>>>>>>>>: : : : : : : ::u:b:e:r:m:o:r:g:e:n.c:o:m:: : : : : : : : : ............................................................. >>>>>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>hans@ubermorgen.com >>>>>>>>>m:+43[0]676.9300061 >>>>>>>>>ICQ 3 8 3 0 2 0 2 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>> >>>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: hans@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: sandra@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: sandra baierl Subject: Re: Your site voteauction.com WOW!!! http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, sandra baierl wrote: > >dear sir > >thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! > >we are with you! we will help you earn money by selling your vote and not giving it away for free as it was until voteauction.com entered the market. > >we do not have morals and we are proud about it, we are white male middleclass mid-europeans [although i am a woman, but i feel and think and act like a white male middle-class mid-european]. and... we are way closer to the place where democracy was founded than you! > >so it might be that we are just developed higher as a culture and therefore have a better view on future-developments. > >best regards > >sandra baierl >sandra@ubermorgen.com > > >>You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats in relation to what you are doing. >>You can't sell out America this way. >>If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution for the LEGAL process of how to change government. >> >>What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any more foreign influence on our government. >> >>I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. Even our hackers have SOME MORALS. >> >>I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. >> >> Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY cc: RTMark admin , frank guerrero , ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Press release 3: ray edit 2: hans comment All, I didn't know about the Kohl scandal in Germany, I will have to look that up. I had heard a little bit about the elections in the UK starting to be more capitalist. I'll work up a little research to help voteauction.com go global. I think it would be best to hold off on the press release until all of the forms are up, they've been tested and it all works. I don't want to have a similar situation to last time when I had all of the server problems just when so many people were trying to login to the site. Shane is the guy working on it and it looks like he is making good progress. JamesDelivered-To: hans@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: sandra@ubermorgen.com From: "Scott Turchin" To: "'sandra baierl'" Subject: RE: Your site voteauction.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:38:57 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal You're funny. I like that in a woman. Do you have a nice rack? -----Original Message----- From: sandra baierl [mailto:sandra@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:20 PM To: Scott Turchin Subject: Re: Your site voteauction.com dear sir thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! we are with you! we will help you earn money by selling your vote and not giving it away for free as it was until voteauction.com entered the market. we do not have morals and we are proud about it, we are white male middleclass mid-europeans [although i am a woman, but i feel and think and act like a white male middle-class mid-european]. and... we are way closer to the place where democracy was founded than you! so it might be that we are just developed higher as a culture and therefore have a better view on future-developments. best regards sandra baierl sandra@ubermorgen.com >You are about as unorthodox and anti-American as it gets. I would not be suprised if you received death threats in relation to what you are doing. >You can't sell out America this way. >If you don't like it, LEAVE. Or follow the constitution for the LEGAL process of how to change government. > >What you are doing is traitorous, we don't need any more foreign influence on our government. > >I wouldn't be suprised if your site is hacked soon. Even our hackers have SOME MORALS. > >I can't believe you two, you are pathetic pieces of SHIT. > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, ruiz@rpi.edu, csik@rpi.edu, prapp@capital.net Subject: Voteauction on the Front Page. Voteauction.com makes the front page of the Salt Lake Tribune. This story has some nice facts about local elections and the money they spend. I like the fact that the presidential candidates spend about $5 per vote while congressional candidates spend at least $20! front page: http://sltrib.com/ full story: http://sltrib.com/08302000/utah/17669.htm JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:08:46 -0400 From: Public Relations X-Accept-Language: en To: Paul Thomas Subject: Re: Remove Sale Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. Because voteauction.com recently changed ownership, the original registrants would have to re-register in order to participate in the voteauction.com program. Therefore, your name has already been removed from the list. Public Relations Paul Thomas wrote: >Please remove my name from your list...I do not wish to sell my vote. > >Thank you >Paul Thomas >pwthoma@arkansas.netDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 12:13:19 -0400 x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com From: Mark Anderson To: "ubermorgen" Luzius-- Thanks for your time in replying to my initial questions. I would like to write more about Voteauction.com for WIRED... Would you be available sometime soon for a telephone interview? Thank you, Mark Anderson WIRED News mkanders@javanet.com 413-586-8961 v 253-399-3201 f > >dear mark > >the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! > >i think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that i am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. > >>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >> >>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer. or better said we would like to control or at least benefit from parts of the american election industry with our holding and specially with this exciting new biz-venture voteauction.com. > >so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! > >>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >we have been under investigation by american legal institutions several times over the last years. > >so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be pretty edgy. but what can you do? worst case scenarios and high-risk ventures are our business-lifestyle and our key to success. if we run into serious legal troubles we will just delegate this business to one of our offshore companies, and they are definitely and perfectly out of reach! > >>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > >we have both signed a contract including various non- disclosures. > >>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. > >best regards > >luzius a. bernhard >etoy holding ag, vienna/austria > >ps: our sub-company ubermorgen.com is in no way affiliated with the voteauction.com deal. it is one of our new media assets in europe. Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:24:22 -0400 From: Public Relations X-Accept-Language: en To: ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtark.com, admin@rtmark.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: press release v 3.1 (James Edit) I trimmed a little more and did a little bit of word change. I think that this could use the professional touch (Chris, I'm looking at you) to polish it up a little. feedback and nagging is welcome. > > >Voteauction.com re-launches under new ownership with new added features. > >---- >Election industry leader, voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out >the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the public, >is re-launching to better serve the voting public. > >Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 with the simple idea of bringing the big money of campaign contributions directly to the voting >public. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. "Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for this >election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are >millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money >from our voting power." [above is the same paragraph that was in the previous press release - is that acceptable?] > >After receiving a warning from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner decided to shut down the site. Not only is selling your vote >illegal in New York, offering your vote for sale is also a felony. But even >while voteauction.com was shut down, it was featured in the media, including >wirednews.com, cnn.com, NY1 News, abcnews.com, Minnesota Public Radio, >associated press, and others. > > >News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans >Bernhard, who made an offer to purchase voteauction.com. "As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor, " Bernhard said. "I believe that >voteauction.com, as a technological pioneer in the elections industry, will >be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities in the Corrections and Education industries." >Bernard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business successes have >combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. "I >look for areas where new technologies can capitalize on social needs arising >from de-regulation and privatization while simultaneously providing a service >to individuals disenfranchised by the privatization process," says Bernhard, >"Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election process where >voters and campaign investors can come together directly. We are > > >Now under new ownership, voteauction.com promises improved features. >First there is the Voteauction Action Team (VAT.) VAT allows users to cash >in on their voting capital while avoiding the volatility of the voteauction.com market. VAT members will be able to download promotional >material and graphics from the voteauction.com web site. They can then market >their votes directly to the campaign contributors in their area. This will >allow them to market their vote not only for President, but for any number of >local and state elections. It will also help the campaign contributor avoid the >usual 10-15% overhead charged by most political consultants. VAT membership >and all downloads will be provided free of charge. [I was considering saying “campaign investor” but since that is a term that is not yet common, people might not realize that it is a sly euphemism for “campaign contributor”] >Secondly, there is the Voteauction.com message board. This public forum will >allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors to post their views on the >voteauction.com mission. Voteauction.com has received many emails supporting >what we are trying to accomplish. We feel that a public message board is the >best way for people to express their support or their [what's a better word >than disgust?] of voteauction.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: Public Relations cc: ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtark.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: Re: press release v 3.1 (ray nags) >> >>Voteauction.com re-launches under new ownership with new added >features. snazzier title--something descriptive--"vote-auctioning website spruced up under new austrian ownership" or better--that's not so good either >>---- >>Election industry leader, voteauction.com, the first web site to cut >out >>the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the public, > >>is re-launching to better serve the voting public. i'd cut out "election industry leader" and just start with voteauction.com >> >>Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 with the simple idea of bringing the big money of campaign contributions directly to the >voting >>public. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. "Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for >this >>election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There >are >>millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn >money >>from our voting power." > >[above is the same paragraph that was in the previous press release - is that acceptable?] should be reworked a little--pretty close though >>After receiving a warning from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner decided to shut down the site. Not only is selling your >vote >>illegal in New York, offering your vote for sale is also a felony. But >even >>while voteauction.com was shut down, it was featured in the media, it was receiving wide attention from [i gave you the list last time--this one is no good--use the one i gave you or something like it] >including >>wirednews.com, cnn.com, NY1 News, abcnews.com, Minnesota Public Radio, > >>associated press, and others. >> >> >>News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur >Hans >>Bernhard, who made an offer to purchase voteauction.com. "As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor, " Bernhard said. "I believe >that >>voteauction.com, as a technological pioneer in the elections industry, >will >>be a great complement to other emerging American investment >opportunities in >the Corrections and Education industries." > >>Bernard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business successes >have >>combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. >"I >>look for areas where new technologies can capitalize on social needs >arising >>from de-regulation and privatization while simultaneously providing a >service >>to individuals disenfranchised by the privatization process," says >Bernhard, >>"Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election process >where >>voters and campaign investors can come together directly. We are what's the rest of the sentence? >> >> >>Now under new ownership, voteauction.com promises improved features. this is repetetive--"now under new ownership" "the new, improved voteauction.com ..." > >>First there is the Voteauction Action Team (VAT.) VAT allows users to >cash >>in on their voting capital while avoiding the volatility of the voteauction.com market. VAT members will be able to download >promotional >>material and graphics from the voteauction.com web site. They can >then market >>their votes directly to the campaign contributors in their area. This >will >>allow them to market their vote not only for President, but for any >number of >>local and state elections. It will also help the campaign contributor >avoid the >>usual 10-15% overhead charged by most political consultants. VAT >membership >>and all downloads will be provided free of charge. this still could use a little clarifying--so it's just marketing their own vote? might give a specific example--"they can download banners and place them on their home page, advertising that they will sell their vote for only $50, for example"--is that right? also, doesn't the *whole system* avoid the usual 10-15% overhead? why specifically this? > >[I was considering saying ìcampaign investorî but since that is a term that is not yet common, people might not realize that it is a sly euphemism for ìcampaign contributorî] i think that's ok--campaign investor... no? > >>Secondly, there is the Voteauction.com message board. This public >forum will >>allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors to post their views on >the >>voteauction.com mission. Voteauction.com has received many emails >supporting >>what we are trying to accomplish. We feel that a public message board >is the >>best way for people to express their support or their [what's a better >word >>than disgust?] of voteauction.com criticisms > > > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com This was the first guy to break the story, so unfortunately he knows some of the inside information. In general he has been pretty helpful and a lot of journalists read wirednews in order to pick up interesting stories for themselves. I would doubt that he is playing dirty tricks... But maybe he is trying to dig up the "real" story, hard to tell. James On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >hehehe.. > >this bastard is playing dirty tricks man.. he is one smart sucker.. >he plays it with lost emails and shit, >to get different stuff.. > >watch out..hehehe, but i like this guy! > >ciao >hans_e > > >>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >>Subject: Re: URGENT: Request for comment re: Voteauction.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 12:13:19 -0400 >>x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com >>From: Mark Anderson To: "ubermorgen" >> >>Luzius-- >> >>Thanks for your time in replying to my initial questions. I would like to write more about Voteauction.com for WIRED... Would you be available sometime soon for a telephone interview? >> >>Thank you, >> >>Mark Anderson >>WIRED News >>mkanders@javanet.com >>413-586-8961 v >>253-399-3201 f >> >>> >>>dear mark >>> >>>the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! >>> >>>i think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that i am considering investing in, including the prison industry and the K-12 education industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. >>> >>>>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >>>> >>>>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? >>> >>>the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! we don't want it to be possible to buy votes - we just don't want corporations to be able to, any longer. or better said we would like to control or at least benefit from parts of the american election industry with our holding and specially with this exciting new biz-venture voteauction.com. >>> >>>so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! >>> >>>>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? >>> >>>we have been under investigation by american legal institutions several times over the last years. >>> >>>so, i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be pretty edgy. but what can you do? worst case scenarios and high-risk ventures are our business-lifestyle and our key to success. if we run into serious legal troubles we will just delegate this business to one of our offshore companies, and they are definitely and perfectly out of reach! >>> >>>>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? >>> >>>we have both signed a contract including various non- disclosures. >>> >>>>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. >>> >>>best regards >>> >>>luzius a. bernhard >>>etoy holding ag, vienna/austria >>> >>>ps: our sub-company ubermorgen.com is in no way affiliated with the voteauction.com deal. it is one of our new media assets in europe. >>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: WIRED News Voteauction.com story Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 12:26:17 -0400 x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com From: Mark Anderson To: "sandra baierl" cc: Sandra-- Just got your note. It seems I'm perpetually one message behind. (I just sent off a request to Luzius for his phone number!) I will call him between 8 and 11 a.m. your time tomorrow. Thanks. Mark Anderson WIRED News mkanders@javanet.com 413-586-8961 phone 253-399-3201 fax >>Dear Mr. Bernhard-- > >Dear Mr. Anderson > >My name is Sandra Baierl, i am the chief secretary of Mister Hans Bernhard. We did receive your email and Mister Bernhard has answered it within a couple of business-days. We do hope this communications problem was not our mistake! > >Mister Bernhard will be available at almost anytime for your call. His mobile phone number is +43 676 930 00 61, additionally you can try +43 1 968 10 22. Please call him between 8am and 11pm CET any day, including sat/sun. > >Underneath you find the prepared and again worked-over answers by Mister Bernhard. > >Mister Bernhard is looking forward to talk with the Journalist who helped us and even more voteauction.com, our new business-venture, to such great publicity! > >With best regards > >Sandra Baierl >sandra@ubermorgen.com > > >---22.08.2000 / 19:45--- > >dear mark > >the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! > >i think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that i am considering investing in, including the prison industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. > >>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >> >>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! but, we do know how votes are bought, and we want it to be possible to buy votes directly from and to the voter - and we want the corporations to pay directly to the voters and not to other companies via the presidental candidate-commities. we consider our venture as a challenge to the existing b2b-election market. the transformation into a b2c market is our goal! we want a big piece of this cake. > >so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! the site is up; the technical implementation is currently ongoing. we expect it to be ready within the next 2-3 busines-days. > > >>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >we have been under investigation by american legal institutions several times over the last years. > >i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be pretty edgy. but what can you do? if you enter a new field, worst case scenarios are the key to success. and high-risk ventures most definitely are our prefered business-lifestyle. > >if we do run into serious legal troubles we will just delegate this business to one of our offshore companies, and they are definitely and perfectly out of reach! > >>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > >both parties have signed a contract including various non- disclosures. > > >>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. > > > > >>I'm the reporter for WIRED News who first brought Voteauction.com to the public's attention. I'm now working on a story for WIRED that will cover its transition from graduate student Master of Fine Arts thesis project to (as I understand it) bonafide business venture. I have several questions below which I emailed earlier this week but perhaps may not have successfully delivered to your email box. (I suspect I put the wrong email address on my previous communication....) Please consider these questions and get back to me with your comments. Also, would you be available for a telephone interview sometime next week? >> >>Thank you for your time, >> >>Mark K. Anderson >>WIRED News >>Northampton, Mass. USA >>mkanders@javanet.com >>(413) 586-8961 / (253) 399-3201 fax >> >>> >>>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? >>> >>>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? >>> >>>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? >>> >> >>"Close Vote? You Can Bid On It" >>17 Aug. 2000 >>http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html >> >>"Voteauction Bids The Dust" >>22 Aug. 2000 >>http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355,00.html > Delivered-To: hans@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: sandra@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: WIRED News Voteauction.com story Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 12:26:17 -0400 x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com From: Mark Anderson To: "sandra baierl" cc: Sandra-- Just got your note. It seems I'm perpetually one message behind. (I just sent off a request to Luzius for his phone number!) I will call him between 8 and 11 a.m. your time tomorrow. Thanks. Mark Anderson WIRED News mkanders@javanet.com 413-586-8961 phone 253-399-3201 fax >>Dear Mr. Bernhard-- > >Dear Mr. Anderson > >My name is Sandra Baierl, i am the chief secretary of Mister Hans Bernhard. We did receive your email and Mister Bernhard has answered it within a couple of business-days. We do hope this communications problem was not our mistake! > >Mister Bernhard will be available at almost anytime for your call. His mobile phone number is +43 676 930 00 61, additionally you can try +43 1 968 10 22. Please call him between 8am and 11pm CET any day, including sat/sun. > >Underneath you find the prepared and again worked-over answers by Mister Bernhard. > >Mister Bernhard is looking forward to talk with the Journalist who helped us and even more voteauction.com, our new business-venture, to such great publicity! > >With best regards > >Sandra Baierl >sandra@ubermorgen.com > > >---22.08.2000 / 19:45--- > >dear mark > >the deal has just been closed and i am very happy to be the new owner of this fantastic domain and the related business along with it! > >i think that this is a great opportunity for a foreign investor to capitalize on the american election industry. in fact, there are many other new american industries that i am considering investing in, including the prison industry. america continues to privatize many of its public sectors, and this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor. > >>I'm an American reporter for WIRED News, and I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon (3:30 p.m. New York time). He indicated that you had bought Voteauction.com. I have several questions for you related to this sale: >> >>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? > >the weird thing here is that we all fully agree with the people who are outraged by this thing, this voteauction.com! but, we do know how votes are bought, and we want it to be possible to buy votes directly from and to the voter - and we want the corporations to pay directly to the voters and not to other companies via the presidental candidate-commities. we consider our venture as a challenge to the existing b2b-election market. the transformation into a b2c market is our goal! we want a big piece of this cake. > >so, yes.. we do plan to continue this service. we might include some minor changes, but we dont expect to make fundamental changes. speed is the key! the site is up; the technical implementation is currently ongoing. we expect it to be ready within the next 2-3 busines-days. > > >>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? > >we have been under investigation by american legal institutions several times over the last years. > >i expect the result of this voteauction-deal to be pretty edgy. but what can you do? if you enter a new field, worst case scenarios are the key to success. and high-risk ventures most definitely are our prefered business-lifestyle. > >if we do run into serious legal troubles we will just delegate this business to one of our offshore companies, and they are definitely and perfectly out of reach! > >>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? > >both parties have signed a contract including various non- disclosures. > > >>I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. > > > > >>I'm the reporter for WIRED News who first brought Voteauction.com to the public's attention. I'm now working on a story for WIRED that will cover its transition from graduate student Master of Fine Arts thesis project to (as I understand it) bonafide business venture. I have several questions below which I emailed earlier this week but perhaps may not have successfully delivered to your email box. (I suspect I put the wrong email address on my previous communication....) Please consider these questions and get back to me with your comments. Also, would you be available for a telephone interview sometime next week? >> >>Thank you for your time, >> >>Mark K. Anderson >>WIRED News >>Northampton, Mass. USA >>mkanders@javanet.com >>(413) 586-8961 / (253) 399-3201 fax >> >>> >>>1) Do you plan on continuing the operation of Voteauction.com? If so, will your Voteauction.com operate with the same policies as Voteauction.com under Baumgartner's direction? >>> >>>2) It has been pointed out -- in, for instance, the story I wrote last week about Voteauction for WIRED News (*) -- that the buying and selling of votes is illegal under the laws of every state in the U.S. In New York state, for instance, it's considered a felony in both several state laws and in the state constitution. If you do indeed plan on continuing Voteauction.com selling U.S. votes, how do you plan to contend with the many potential criminal indictments -- for both Voteauction and its participants -- that could arise as a result? >>> >>>3) What were the terms of the sale? Were there any requirements Mr. Baumgartner put on the operations of the site? Were there any terms that you required before you would buy Voteauction? >>> >> >>"Close Vote? You Can Bid On It" >>17 Aug. 2000 >>http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html >> >>"Voteauction Bids The Dust" >>22 Aug. 2000 >>http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38355,00.html > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu Reply-To: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ray@rtmark.com, prapp@capital.net, ruiz@rpi.edu, csiksc@rpi.edu Subject: voting integrity project The chair of the "voting integrity project" wrote a response to the wired news article about voteauction.com: http://www.voting-integrity.org/text/2000/bid082100.shtml Here is what the slate.com reporter Jeremy Derfner had to say about the voting integrity project a couple months ago: http://slate.msn.com/netelection/entries/00-04-04_78548.asp JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: holding corporations hans, Here are a couple of corporations that you may consider "investing" in. Wackenhut Corporation. They own several private prisons in the US including juvenile prisons. http://www.afscme.org/private/pp000316b.htm Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) They are the largest prison corporation in America. http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MJ00/steeltown.html Channel One Communications. They produce news and entertainment show that is sent by sattelite to many american schools - and it includes commercials! http://www.commercialfree.org/commercialism.html http://www.channelone.com Reebok Interational. They put advertising in schools for their shoes and create "Team Reebok" - sponsor public High School atheletic teams with discounted shoes in exchange for advertising space in the school. Always good to get the consumer when they are young. http://reebok.com http://www.motherjones.com/mustreads/041299.html (second story on the page) Are these the kinds of companies you were considering holding? I think they have traits in common with voteauction.com - specifically creating capitalism in places where capitalism should not exist. off to bed, I'll try out the email in the morning JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 16:31:34 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: votingproj@aol.com Subject: Going, Going... Gone Ms. Phillips, Your article, "Going, Going... Gone!" is of great interest to voteauction.com. It is always nice to hear from the other side of the argument. First of all, you should know that the site is back up so you can see for yourself what voteauction.com is all about. The original owner, James Baumgartner, sold the site to an Austrian holding company after the New York City Election Commission warned him about the possible legal consequences of running the site. We feel that voteauction.com has a much better chance of success while operating on foreign soil. We have watched with great interest the development of the American Election Industry. Political consultants promise to "deliver" voters to their candidates by spending campaign contributions on advertising. In essence, this treats the voter as an end product to be sold to the candidate while the candidate is sells him or herself to the campaign contributor. Voteauction.com turns this idea on its head by putting the power of capital back into the hands of the voters. Voteauction.com is not trying to enact a "bloodless coup" in America. Even though we are Austrian, we agree with the American ideals of Democracy and Capitalism and we feel that the growing Election Industry combines these ideals perfectly. Voteauction.com did not invent the Election Industry, it is just the next logical step in this industry's development. Voteauction.com is not an insult to the people who fought to defend the right to vote. In fact, most of our registrants are people who have never voted before. By providing them with an incentive, voteauction.com is encouraging them to participate in our democracy. Although we do not expect you to change your mind about voteauction.com, we hope that you will be able to see our perspective. Public RelationsDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 01:16:47 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: draft of letter to billionaires for bush or gore voteauctioneers, I think that with this next big media push, it might be helpful to send letters to other interested organizations. Here's a draft of a letter to the Billionaires. I am also going to write to gwbush.com, the center for responsive politics, commoncause, the candidates, and our favorite, Barbara Phillips - chair of the Voting Integrity Project. Dear Billionaires, I represent voteauction.com, a website dedicated to helping campaign contributors get their money's worth. I believe that Billionaires for Bush (or Gore) and voteauction.com could benefit from a synergistic collaboration between our organizations. You can read about voteauction.com in one of the following articles: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk082300.htm http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html (there is also a full listing of press about voteauction.com in the "News & Press" section of the website.) The basic premise of voteauction.com is to allow campaign contributors to invest directly in the voters instead of wasting their money by giving it to the candidates and political parties. Voters register with the website to sell their votes to the highest bidder. These voters are then grouped by state (to more efficiently affect the electoral college) and auctioned off to the highest bidder. Corporations or individuals may bid on the state voting block and the winner decides who the voters in that state will choose. The voteauction.com system is a significant improvement over the current "soft money" campaign contribution. In the soft money system, corporations and wealthy individuals such as yourselves make donations to the two candidates and their respective parties. The candidates and parties hire political consultants who take a 15% cut of your money. The rest of the money is spent mostly on advertising in an attempt to influence the voter. Advertising is an inexact science and it is difficult to tell when it works. Millions of dollars of your campaign contributions are wasted on these inefficient ads. Wouldn't it be better if you could just give your money to the voters directly, and then you would be assured that they would vote for your candidate of choice? Voteauction.com gives you this ability. Not only will you be able to buy the votes you need, voteauciton.com has grouped the voters by state so that you can easily influence the election in the key swing states with the most electoral votes. Many of the people who register with voteauction.com used to be among the 100 million people who don't vote in this country. Together, we can provide them with an incentive for voting this year. They will finally be participating in our democratic process. The collaboration between our organizations could occur at different levels. We could exchange banner ads, for example. Voteauction.com will soon be launching the Voteauction Action Teams (VAT.) The VATs could participate in the Billionaires' rallies and protests to help spread the wealth around. I believe that together we could make this a profitable election for both the Billionaires and the Voters.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 02:56:00 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: "F.E.G.M. Verrijt" Subject: Re: bidder Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. We do not release any information about the bidders in the voteauction.com program. Public Relations "F.E.G.M. Verrijt" wrote: >How do I find out who/what the bidder is?Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:54:23 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: mkanders@javanet.com Subject: Re: WIRED News Voteauction.com followup questions Mark, below you will see the answers to most of the questions, apologies for the delay in responding. Mark Anderson wrote: >Hans et al-- > >I'm now working on my followup article on Voteauction.com for WIRED News and several followup questions (after our interview) have arisen that I would appreciate any answers you might be able to provide: > >* How many registrations and bids do you now have? How many new registrations have come in since Voteauction.com re-opened on 22 Aug? > voteauction.com now has 361 votes available for auction, with many forms that have not yet been processed. This is an increase of approximately 175 since the site relaunched. > >* How do you plan to verify that the voters who sign up with Voteauction.com will indeed vote for the candidate they've been paid to vote for? Verification will now be the responsibility of the winning bidder. They can choose from a variety of methods for verification of the votes. They may have the voters send in their absentee ballots for verification, they may have the voters take a photograph inside the voting booth, or they may go on the honor system - this is the system that many vote-purchasing endeavors have used in the past. We have choosen to have the winning bidders responsible for the verification because it would not be feasible to have people send their absentee ballots all the way to Austria and have us send them back to America within an appropriate time frame. > > >* How many hits has your website had since opening on 22 Aug? Has the traffic increased or decreased since opening? Those statistics are not currently available. > > >* Are you aware of any other companies or individuals doing what you're doing in the "election industry"? That is, the website claims Voteauction.com is the "Election Industry Leader," but is this not in fact by default? > The Election Industry we refer to has been developing for several years. It is based on a system where campaign contributors invest their money in the various candidates and political parties. The candidates and parties hire political consultants who take 10 - 15% of the money and then spend the rest on advertising and related campaign expenses. Voteauction.com is the Election Industry Leader because we are the first company to take the industry in a new direction. Currently it is mostly a business to business transaction, with the businesses treating the voter as a product. Voteauction.com treats the voter as an equal member in the industry with a valuable capital resource, his or her vote. We have been approached by other organizations who want to set up similar sites, but none of these sites are currently online as far as we know. > >I'm going to be working on this story over the weekend and will be submitting it to WIRED News at the end of the day on Monday (east coast, u.s.). Any responses you might have to the above would be greatly appreciated. > >Thank you for your time, > >Mark Anderson >WIRED News > >---------------- >Mark K. Anderson >Northampton, Mass. >mkanders@javanet.com >413-586-8961 voice >253-399-3201 fax Public RelationsDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:59:07 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: bleondar-wright@ufenet.org, dsilverman@ufenet.org, andrew@wanderbody.com Subject: voteauction.com - billionaires collaboration Dear Billionaires, I represent voteauction.com, a website dedicated to helping campaign contributors get their money's worth. I believe that Billionaires for Bush (or Gore) and voteauction.com could benefit from a synergistic collaboration between our organizations. You can read about voteauction.com in one of the following articles: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38229,00.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk082300.htm http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html (there is also a full listing of press about voteauction.com in the "News & Press" section of the website.) The basic premise of voteauction.com is to allow campaign contributors to invest directly in the voters instead of wasting their money by giving it to the candidates and political parties. Voters register with the website to sell their votes to the highest bidder. These voters are then grouped by state (to more efficiently affect the electoral college) and auctioned off to the highest bidder. Corporations or individuals may bid on the state voting block and the winner decides who the voters in that state will choose. The voteauction.com system is a significant improvement over the current "soft money" campaign contribution. In the soft money system, corporations and wealthy individuals such as yourselves make donations to the two candidates and their respective parties. The candidates and parties hire political consultants who take a 15% cut of your money. The rest of the money is spent mostly on advertising in an attempt to influence the voter. Advertising is an inexact science and it is difficult to tell when it works. Millions of dollars of your campaign contributions are wasted on these inefficient ads. Wouldn't it be better if you could just give your money to the voters directly, and then you would be assured that they would vote for your candidate of choice? Voteauction.com gives you this ability. Not only will you be able to buy the votes you need, voteauciton.com has grouped the voters by state so that you can easily influence the election in the key swing states with the most electoral votes. Many of the people who register with voteauction.com used to be among the 100 million people who don't vote in this country. Together, we can provide them with an incentive for voting this year. They will finally be participating in our democratic process. The collaboration between our organizations could occur at different levels. We could exchange banner ads, for example. Voteauction.com will soon be launching the Voteauction Action Teams (VAT.) The VATs could participate in the Billionaires' rallies and protests to help spread the wealth around. I believe that together we could make this a profitable election for both the Billionaires and the Voters. Sincerely, Public RelationsDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:53:33 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: wired news interview Hans, I was looking at the email that Mark Anderson form wired news sent. I thought of a few answers to his questions, I wasn't sure if you wanted me to answer them or if you wanted to. Also, I have no idea how to answer the question about number of hits to the site - are you keeping track? Here is what I would say: Hans et al-- I'm now working on my followup article on Voteauction.com for WIRED News and several followup questions (after our interview) have arisen that I would appreciate any answers you might be able to provide: * How many registrations and bids do you now have? How many new registrations have come in since Voteauction.com re-opened on 22 Aug? >The registration pages were not re-activated until recently. Since then we have had about 300 more people register with voteauction.com * How do you plan to verify that the voters who sign up with Voteauction.com will indeed vote for the candidate they've been paid to vote for? >Verification will be between the voters and the winning bidders. It is not logistically feasible for the voters to send their absentee ballots to >Austria because it would take too long. This way, the winning bidders can >decide how they want their votes verified. Some may choose the honor system, others may choose the absentee ballot system. * How many hits has your website had since opening on 22 Aug? Has the traffic increased or decreased since opening? >This one I can't answer - are you keeping statistics on this? The only statistic I have as far as hits is that there were 80,000 on August 17 and 18 * Are you aware of any other companies or individuals doing what you're doing in the "election industry"? That is, the website claims Voteauction.com is the "Election Industry Leader," but is this not in fact by default? >The election industry includes many businesses other than voteauction.com The main participants in the election industry are political consultants and advertising agencies. Not counting voteauction.com, over 500 million dollars will be spent by the candidates and parties in the presidential election. If you combine all American elections, I am certain that the figure would top 1 billion dollars. Voteauction.com is the election industry leader because we brought change and reform to the election industry. Previously, all the election industry exchanges were business-to-business (campaign investors paying political consultants who deliver the voters as a product), but voteauction.com is based on business to consumer transactions. We allow the voters to regain control of their voting capital. Our innovative approach to the election industry makes us the leader. We have been contacted by other organizations who were interested in setting up similar businesses but we have not seen these businesses in operation yet. I'm going to be working on this story over the weekend and will be submitting it to WIRED News at the end of the day on Monday (east coast, u.s.). Any responses you might have to the above would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time, Mark Anderson WIRED NewsDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: WIRED News Voteauction.com followup questions Date: Fri, 1 Sep 00 15:41:09 -0400 x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com From: Mark Anderson To: cc: , Hans et al-- I'm now working on my followup article on Voteauction.com for WIRED News and several followup questions (after our interview) have arisen that I would appreciate any answers you might be able to provide: * How many registrations and bids do you now have? How many new registrations have come in since Voteauction.com re-opened on 22 Aug? * How do you plan to verify that the voters who sign up with Voteauction.com will indeed vote for the candidate they've been paid to vote for? * How many hits has your website had since opening on 22 Aug? Has the traffic increased or decreased since opening? * Are you aware of any other companies or individuals doing what you're doing in the "election industry"? That is, the website claims Voteauction.com is the "Election Industry Leader," but is this not in fact by default? I'm going to be working on this story over the weekend and will be submitting it to WIRED News at the end of the day on Monday (east coast, u.s.). Any responses you might have to the above would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time, Mark Anderson WIRED News ---------------- Mark K. Anderson Northampton, Mass. mkanders@javanet.com 413-586-8961 voice 253-399-3201 faxDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:06:00 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu Reply-To: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: contact, phone number... Hans, I haven't heard from you in a while and I wanted to see how things were going on the Austrian side. I also wanted to make sure we were answering questions the same way, sometimes I get confused with all of the different reporters. I've tried to call you a few times at 43-676-930-061 but I keep getting an error message. I didn't want to email the wired reporter because even though the email will say that it is from pr@voteauction.com, if he is sneaky, he can look up and see that the email originated from an ip address at RPI. And I am getting the idea that this guy is trying to "reveal" that voteauction.com is fake (like that will be a surprise to anyone.) So I'm a little concerned. Give me a call or an email so we can discuss this. mob: 518-506-7725 office: 518-276-2160 JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: Danielle Downey-Willett To: 'net_CALLBOY' Subject: RE: Radio Interview 9/3/00/ voteauction.com Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:05:45 -0500 Hello Mr. Bernhard, I have tried unsuccessfully to reach you but seem to be having problems dialing Austria. Mr. Baumgartner had already agreed to do the interview and I told him I would contact you and let you know. Your site will be listed on our website www.theonlinereport.com following the conclusion of the interview. I hope this poses no problem for you as I understand you are the new owner. Please feel free to call me today between 8 am - 3 pm CST if you should have a need. Have a nice day, Danielle Danielle Downey-Willett Talk Productions 12910 Hutton Drive Dallas, TX 75235 214-292-3877 -----Original Message----- From: net_CALLBOY [mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 5:41 PM To: Danielle Downey-Willett Subject: Re: Radio Interview 9/3/00/ voteauction.com dear danielle i am the new owner of the domain voteauction.com. have been informed by the ex-owner mister j. baumgartner that you would be interested in doing an interview. please feel free to call me under: +43 676 930 00 61; this is my austrian mobile phone, i am reacheable between 08am and 11pm CET every day, sat/sun included. best regards hans bernhard ubermorgen.com -- . . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:23:23 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: contact, phone number... Hans, I emailed Mark with the answers to all of the questions except number of hits. If he figures out that it was from rpi it is no big deal, I will say that we wrote it together. I haven't called the US from overseas in a long time, is the country code 01? my numbers are 518-506-7725 (mobile) unfortunately, I do most of my work in a basement where the mobile phone does not work - that number is 518-276-2160. I think everything is going well now. I will do another re-write of the press release and we can talk about it tomorrow and then send it out on Tuesday (Monday is a holiday in US.) best, James On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>Hans, > >hi james >just quickly, i am on the way to go to bed.. phone no. +43 676 930 00 61 >you missed an 0 so it didnt work, > >yeah, lets get ourselves uptodate.. >hear u tomorrow, i will mail you tomorrow latest tuesday.. > >give me also your phone, so i can also >call you.. > >hans_e > > >>I haven't heard from you in a while and I wanted to see how things were going on the Austrian side. I also wanted to make sure we were answering questions the same way, sometimes I get confused with all of the different reporters. I've tried to call you a few times at 43-676-930-061 but I keep getting an error message. I didn't want to email the wired reporter because even though the email will say that it is from pr@voteauction.com, if he is sneaky, he can look up and see that the email originated from an ip address at RPI. And I am getting the idea that this guy is trying to "reveal" that voteauction.com is fake (like that will be a surprise to anyone.) So I'm a little concerned. >> >>Give me a call or an email so we can discuss this. >> >>mob: 518-506-7725 >>office: 518-276-2160 >> >>James > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: rcs-sun1.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:15:35 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: wired interview Hans, I got a message from Mark Anderson, how did your interview go? What sort of questions was he asking? I just wanted to make sure we have our stories straight, I'm having trouble keeping up with it and I'm not the greatest liar. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:34:32 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Helge Skrivervik Subject: Re: for Jim Baumgartner Thank you for your interest in Voteauction.com. Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner is from Kansas. Public Relations Helge Skrivervik wrote: >does Jim Baumgartner incidentally come from southern california? If yes, I'd like to get his direct mail address. > >best regards, >Helge SkrivervikDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:24:25 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@vcmr-19.rcs.rpi.edu To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: wired interview Hans, I will give you a call Tuesday afternoon (Vienna Time) for further discussion. Shane, (database guy) moved to a new apartment this weekend so he was busy with that. I am now getting data from the forms, but now he is going to work on putting it into a more useful form, but it works well for the time being, I can email the people who sign up. I will work on the press release a little more tonight, hopefully talk to chris cutter (PR man) to get a professional opinion. I am also going to add some more material to the voteauction action team section. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:09:28 -0400 From: paul rapp X-Accept-Language: en To: James M Baumgartner CC: hans@ubermorgen.com, vamosi@rpi.edu, ruiz@rpi.edu, csik@rpi.edu, admin@rtmark.com Subject: Re: voteauction in the Metroland Rodat's a good guy and good writer. Nice photo! X-tra starch! I'm trying to talk one of my law students to do a paper on the legal issues here--not exactly art & entertainment law, but close enough....This is the best thing that ever happened to this Voting Integrity lady.... James M Baumgartner wrote: >For those of you who live in the Albany area, be sure to pick up this week's Metroland for an article about voteauction. If you are elsewhere: > >http://www.metroland.net/sctNews.html#newsfront1 > >I like that the headline for the article below mine is, "Politics and Real Estate make Strange Bedfellows." > >JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:43:57 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com, vamosi@rpi.edu, ruiz@rpi.edu, csik@rpi.edu, prapp@capital.net, admin@rtmark.com Subject: voteauction in the Metroland For those of you who live in the Albany area, be sure to pick up this week's Metroland for an article about voteauction. If you are elsewhere: http://www.metroland.net/sctNews.html#newsfront1 I like that the headline for the article below mine is, "Politics and Real Estate make Strange Bedfellows." JamesDelivered-To: ubermorgen@ubermorgen.com From: "Bob Mowry" To: Subject: attn: Hans Bernhard Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:54:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Hans, I've been following the voteauction.com story on cnn.  This topic is of interest to me as I have thought of starting a similar company.  In fact, I own the domain name buymyvote.com.  I wanted to give you a suggestion about a slightly different business model that I think you might like.  This model combines these ideas in order to make money: 1.  The majority of eligible voters in the US are not currently registered to vote. 2.  Online voter registration is currently implemented, and e-voting for general elections will be available by the next presidential election.  All the personal information required to cast a valid e-vote will be collected at registration time. 3.  You really don't want to have to depend upon the voters to actually cast their vote by hand (how would you be able to guarantee this to your vote buyers?).  The correct model is to cast these votes by proxy, electronically. 4.  An individual vote is of negligible value, but a large collection of votes can sway nationwide elections. 5.  Everyone likes a lottery. 6.  In order to make money, your site could sell advertising to candidates/parties. 7.  You could use this money to fund your lottery. 8.  There could be a direct relationship between the amount of advertising bought on your site and the number of votes a party/candidate receives. 9.  Incumbants will be FOR this system since they typically have more money at their disposal, and it would be in their interest to support such a system. My model would be to target currently unregistered voters, collect all their registration information along with their permission to proxy their vote in the next election.  In exchange for this agreement, the voter is entered into an annual lottery at buymyvote.com with a guaranteed minimum $1,000,000 prize.  Secondly, I'd sell "advertising" on my site (or perhaps you could auction off advertising space once the number of registered voters is known) to parties/candidates in order to generate revenue.  The profits from this advertising would be used to fund the business and the lottery. I thought you might enjoy reading this strategy.  Please feel free to use any of the ideas in this email for your business. -bob Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:42:55 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Michelle Holloway Subject: Re: Information for story Michelle, There are two people you could contact for an interview about voteauction.com. There is the current owner, Hans Bernhard: (contact through his secretary, Sandra Baierel: sandra@voteauction.com) and the founder of voteauction.com, James Baumgartner: baumgj@rpi.edu office: 518-276-2160 mobile: 518-506-7725 Public Relations Michelle Holloway wrote: >Hello, >My name is Michelle Marse Holloway and I am writing a story for the Sacramento News & Review on internet vote buying. I would really like to speak, or "chat" with someone from your company. Please contact me via e-mail at michelleh@newsreview.com or call at 916-498-1234 ext. 1347 or 530-788-2181. > >Thank You, >Michelle Marse HollowayDelivered-To: hans@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: sandra@voteauction.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:49:58 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, sandra@voteauction.com Subject: Press Release v303 voteauction team, Here's the latest re-write. Tomorrow would be a good day to get it out. Could still use the professional touch here or there. I think the heat might be low enough to announce that James Baumgartner has been hired by voteauction.com as a "spokesperson," or should we wait until the Voteauction action teams start going? The end could definitely use a little punch, but I'm out of punch for the day. James Voteauction.com Hans Bernhard – owner hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930 00 061 Sandra Baierl – US press contact sandra@voteauction.com Vote-auctioning website adds features under new Austrian ownership Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with new features to better serve the voting public. Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 by graduate student, James Baumgartner. “When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day,” said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. “Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for this election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power.” After receiving a warning from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner shut down the site. Not only is selling your vote illegal in New York, offering your vote for sale is also a felony. But even while voteauction.com was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television (ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NY1), in print (Washington Post, AP, USA Today) and on the internet, (Wired News, The Industry Standard, CNN.com.) News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans Bernhard, who offered to purchase Voteauction.com. “As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor,” Bernhard said. “I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in the election industry, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities in the Corrections and Education industry.” Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success have combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. “I look for areas where new technologies can capitalize on social needs arising from de-regulation and privatization while simultaneously providing service to individuals disenfranchised by the privatization process,” says Bernhard. “Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election process, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the campaign investor.” The new improved voteauction.com promises exciting new features for anyone visiting the site. First, there is the Voteauction Action Team (VAT.) VAT allows users to cash in on their voting capital while avoiding the volatility of the online auction. VAT members will be able to download promotional material and graphics from the voteauction.com web site. For example, a voter could download banners to place on their home page, advertising that they will sell their vote for only $50. They can also download flyers and handbills to distribute to local candidates and campaign investors. This will allow them to market their vote not only for President, but for any number of local and state elections. Secondly, there is the voteauction.com message board. This public forum will allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors post their views on the voteauction.com mission. Voteauction.com has received many emails supporting what we are trying to accomplish. We feel that a public message board is the best way for people to express their support or criticisms of voteauction.com. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. Attachment converted: hans:pressrelease303.doc 1 (WDBN/MSWD) (0000B61A) Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:47:13 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu Reply-To: James M Baumgartner To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: interview with Fortune Small Business Hans, I just did an interview with Liz Borod from the Fortune Small Business Journal. I gave her your email and phone. Have you seen the wired news article? Great answers - very "rabid capitalist," let me know if you get any attention from the law. http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: Public Relations , baumgj@rpi.edu, frank@rtmark.com, candid@rtmark.com, Chris Cutter Subject: Press Release v304 ok, brief edit-- AT THE TOP, WHERE CONTACT INFO AND SO ON GOES, ALSO INCLUDE THE URL OF THE LATEST WIRED STORY, THAT TELLS THIS STORY AND ALSO INCLUDES SOME OTHER INFO THAT'S GOOD >Vote-auctioning website adds features under new Austrian ownership > >Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with new features to better serve the voting public. > >Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 by graduate student, James Baumgartner. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. "Then I heard about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the candidates have raised for this election and I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." -some strange ascii-chars... YES THEY SEEM TO SHOW UP IN PINE, OK IN EUDORA--JUST USE STRAIGHT QUOTES, JAMES, NOT THE SPECIAL CURVED ONES. >After receiving a warning from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner shut down the site. Not only is selling your vote illegal in New York, offering your vote for sale is also a felony. But even while voteauction.com was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television (ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NY1), in print (Washington Post, AP, USA Today) and on the internet, (Wired News, The Industry Standard, CNN.com.) NO COMMA AFTER INTERNET, PERIOD SHOULD GO OUTSIDE THE PARENTHESIS ALWAYS >CNN.com). >News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans Bernhard, who offered to purchase Voteauction.com. "As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in the election industry, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities in the Corrections and Education industry." ---> it would be very good if you could include something like that-> in the above or underneath paragraph [little cross-promotion, please]: ...his current portfolio includes skim.com, ubermorgen.com, micromusic.net, uptoart.com, etoy.com, belleville.ch, yoolia.de, channelone.com, and many more.. YES OR EVEN PARAPHRASE MARK ANDERSEN IN LATEST WIRED (WITHOUT CREDIT OF COURSE) SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT "HIS HOLDINGS INCLUDE"--HE SAYS IT WELL >Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success have combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. "I look for areas where new technologies can capitalize on social needs arising from de-regulation and privatization while simultaneously providing service to individuals disenfranchised by the privatization process," says Bernhard. "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election process, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the campaign investor." >The new improved voteauction.com promises exciting new features for anyone visiting the site. > >First, there is the Voteauction Action Team (VAT.) VAT allows users to cash in on their voting capital while avoiding the volatility of the online auction. VAT members will be able to download promotional material and graphics from the voteauction.com web site. For example, a voter could download banners to place on their home page, advertising that they will sell their vote for only $50. They can also download flyers and handbills to distribute to local candidates and campaign investors. This will allow them to market their vote not only for President, but for any number of local and state elections. this is a bit hard to understand, the concept i believe is very kewl.. try to make it a bit more simple&stupid, so the reader gets the idea in the first 3 sentences.. I AGREE >Secondly, there is the voteauction.com message board. This public forum will allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors post their views on the voteauction.com mission. Voteauction.com has received many emails supporting what we are trying to accomplish. We feel that a public message board is the best way for people to express their support or criticisms of voteauction.com. > >With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. and put the media contacts again here at the end.. I THINK THE MEDIA CONTACTS SHOULD GO AT THE TOP? I DON'T KNOW THOUGH, ASK CHRIS. SEE THE VARIOUS RTMARK PRESS RELEASES FOR HOW WE DO IT--E.G. rtmark.com/etoypr.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:04:52 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: "wiseguys.net" Subject: Re: thedemocrat.org Wiseguys, Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. Our current project is keeping us very busy. We will not be able to broker any domain names at this time. We wish you good luck in selling your domain name. Public Relations "wiseguys.net" wrote: >I registered with your sight.... >Seen you on Wired.... >Would you be interested in brokeringthedemocrat.org...... I find your objective interesting.... > > >can we make money with selling the democrat. org > >thanks, >james long sonny@wiseguys.netDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:08:33 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: "T.T. Walter" Subject: Re: canadian votes T.T. Walter, Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. Currently we are concentrating on the American Presidential Election. If we are successful in this election, we will expand to other American Elections and possibly into Canada, Europe and across the globe. We appreciate your vote. Public Relations "T.T. Walter" wrote: >VA- > >will you be adding canada to the vote auction site? when you do, you can count on my vote. > >T. >_________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:28:44 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: James M Baumgartner cc: csik@rpi.edu, ruiz@rpi.edu, hans@ubermorgen.com, prapp@capital.net, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: California Secretary of State News release. WOW!!!! oh my, that's really something. how's that press release ocming? still should send it out i think, and incorporate this url into it. http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: >The California Secretary of state mentioned voteauction.com in a recent newsrelease: > >http://www.ss.ca.gov/executive/press_releases/2000/00-81.htm > >This is close to my goal of getting a candidate to mention it. Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: vamosi@rpi.edu, admin@rtmark.com, csik@rpi.edu, ruiz@rpi.edu, hans@ubermorgen.com, prapp@capital.net Subject: California Secretary of State News release. The California Secretary of state mentioned voteauction.com in a recent newsrelease: http://www.ss.ca.gov/executive/press_releases/2000/00-81.htm This is close to my goal of getting a candidate to mention it.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Server-Uuid: d75cfbfd-cb78-11d2-b1b4-0008c74cfe74 From: Liz_Borod@timeinc.com Subject: questions about voteauction.com Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:18:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-WSS-ID: 15A847FF70858-01-02 Hi Mr. Bernhard, I'm writing a story about Voteauction.com for FSB.com, Fortune Small Business Magazine's website. I spoke to James Baumgartner today, and I was hoping to speak with you as well. I realize it may be difficult to get in touch with you because of the time difference. If you'd like to give me a call, you can reach me at 212-522-1746, and I get to work at 10 am New York City time. I'll try giving you a call tomorrow, too. I'm interested in learning about why you decided to buy the site, your plans for its future, and how you intend to make money from it. Thanks, Liz Borod Fortune Small BusinessDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:05:58 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Shannon Subject: Re: Just a little note........... Shannon, Thank you for your response to voteauction.com. We appreciate support and criticisms from all corners. I should remind you that voteauction.com was created by an American and we feel that it embodies some important American ideals. Currently, everything is for sale in America: your prison system, your education system, your public lands. Your presidency has been for sale for the last several elections, except it was political consultants and advertisers who were collecting the profits. Voteauction.com was started with the idea of allowing the voters to reap the rewards of their voting capital. What could be more American than that? You say that we should "stay the hell out" of American affairs. That is unrealistic in today's global economy. America has a long tradition of meddling in other countries' affairs, perhaps it is only fair that now a group of Europeans will be able to influence American events. We appreciate your input and hope that you will post your views on the Voteauction.com message board (coming soon.) Public Relations Shannon wrote: >You know, we really do not appreciate your website. This stupid thing that you are doing (if it is true) could possibly swing the vote to get the wrong person in office. You don't even live in this damn country so why don't you stay the hell out of our affairs! > >AN AMERICAN VOTER > >----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:31:21 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Jon Ward-BU Subject: Re: Interview Jon, Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. There are two main people you could talk to about our company. Hans Bernhard is the owner, he speaks excellent English. You can reach him at hans@ubermorgen.com or +43-676-9300061. You can also contact the founder of voteauction.com, James Baumgartner: baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506-7725. Public Relations Jon Ward-BU wrote: >Do you have an English speaker willing to be interviewed for World Service radio? I'd be grateful if you could email me with a telephone number. > >Jon Ward > >>* Room 610CB, BBC Bush House, London, WC2B 4PH >* mailto:jon@wardy.co.uk > >This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:48:08 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, candid@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com Subject: press release v 305 All, It's still a little sketchy but here is v305 of the press release. I'm looking at Monday for the day to attack. I would like to send this out via fax as well - especially in NYC and SF. I didn't have time to fix the quotes on this one, but I will do it on a later copy Voteauction.com Hans Bernhard – owner hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930 00 061 Sandra Baierl – US press contact sandra@voteauction.com Vote-auctioning website adds features under new Austrian ownership Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with new features to better serve the voting public. “These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process…” Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University in Wired News. "It's really a great way to bring home to voters how much [big donors] are gaining from the system and how little voters are getting in comparison.” Sheila Krumholz, research director of the Center for Responsive Politics in CNN.com “This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!” Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project. Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 by graduate student, James Baumgartner. “When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day,” said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. “Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power.” In the first two days of public operation, 200 voters registered with voteauction.com. After receiving a warning from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner shut down the site. But even while voteauction.com was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television (ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NY1), in print (Washington Post, AP, USA Today) and on the Internet, (Wired News, The Industry Standard, CNN.com). News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans Bernhard, who purchased Voteauction.com. “As America continues to develop industries in new areas, this presents many opportunities for the foreign investor,” Bernhard said. “I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in the election industry, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities in the Corrections and Education industry.” Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success have combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. “I look for areas where new technologies can capitalize on social needs arising from de-regulation and privatization while simultaneously providing service to individuals disenfranchised by the privatization process,” says Bernhard. “Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election process, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the campaign investor.” Bernhard’s other holdings include channelone.com, micromusic.net, ubermorgen.com, yoolia.de, and many others. Voteauction.com has exciting new features. · Voter Empowerment Kits (VEK): Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. This will allow the voter to directly market their votes to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. · Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors to post their views on the voteauction.com mission. Voteauction.com has received many emails supporting what we are trying to accomplish. We feel that a public message board is the best way for people to express their support or criticisms of voteauction.com. ·Voteauction Action Team: The VAT will travel around the country handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. The VAT will be in the San Francisco area from 9/16 – 9/21. Future trips include New York City, Boston, Philadelphia and Washington DC With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "MarkusH" To: Subject: idea Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:20:43 +0200 X-Priority: 3 hi ! bei voteauction.com fehlt euch noch beim einkauf von stimmen ein etwaiges "extra" angebot f¸r parteien... gruþ @ m a r k u s h \\ \ \ \\Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 15:16:26 -0700 To: Public Relations , frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, candid@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com From: Ray Thomas Subject: press release v 305 ray edit >>>> Voteauction.com Hans Bernhard - owner hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930 00 061 Sandra Baierl - US press contact sandra@voteauction.com <<<< re: this top area--i would look at one of the rtmark press releases for standard format. at least i think it's standard format there. this doesn't look so right to me. maybe chris could correct/improve >>>> Vote-auctioning website adds features under new Austrian ownership <<<< how about "New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds features" >>>> Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with new features to better serve the voting public. "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process…" Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University in Wired News. "It's really a great way to bring home to voters how much [big donors] are gaining from the system and how little voters are getting in comparison." Sheila Krumholz, research director of the Center for Responsive Politics in CNN.com "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project. <<<< i wouldn't just throw these quotes in like this. much better to contextualize them. start by saying something like "The reactions to voteauciton.com have been fierce" or something like that >>>> Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 by graduate student, James Baumgartner. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and <<<< no comma before "James" >>>> Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Voteauction.com founder, James Baumgartner. "Knowing that the <<<< you just repeated "founder" bit >>>> candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." In the first two days of public operation, 200 voters registered with voteauction.com. <<<< and in subsequent days.... something >>>> After receiving a warning from the New York City Election Commission, Baumgartner shut down the site. <<<< better rephrase this more dramatically--"When the New York City E C threatened to crack down on the site, Baumgartner temporarily shut down the site and began looking for an overseas purchaser, one who would not be as subject to U.S. election laws. >>>> But even while voteauction.com was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television (ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NY1), in print (Washington Post, AP, USA Today) and on the Internet, (Wired News, The Industry Standard, CNN.com). <<<< it might indeed be better to just say "television, print, internet" here and then say "(see partial press list below)" an dthen include urls. >>>> News about the site attracted the attention of Austrian entrepreneur Hans Bernhard, who purchased Voteauction.com. <<<< Instead: Baumgartner did not need to look long for a purchaser: Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a myriad of small dot-com enterprises, had heard of the site and, when he heard it was for sale, jumped at the opportunity. >>>> "As America continues to develop industries in new areas, <<<< As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry especially is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." >>>> Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success have <<<< HAS >>>> combined an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. "I look for areas where new technologies can capitalize on social needs <<<< repetitive--"social emergencies" or "social extremes" or something >>>> arising from de-regulation and privatization while simultaneously providing service to individuals disenfranchised by the privatization <<<< maybe, for bleievability, instead of "disenfranchised" say "relocated" or something weak like taht >>>> process," says Bernhard. "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election process, providing a win-win situation for both the voter <<<< "process" repetitive--say "paradigm in election control, providing" >>>> and the campaign investor." Bernhard's other holdings include <<<< leave out "campaign" >>>> channelone.com, micromusic.net, ubermorgen.com, yoolia.de, and many others. <<<< cut that sentence starting with "Bernhard's"--will be included above in intro sentence (which shouldn't list the specifics of bernhard's holdings i think) >>>> Voteauction.com has exciting new features. · Voter Empowerment Kits (VEK): Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. This will allow the voter to directly market their votes to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. · Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors to post their views on the voteauction.com mission. Voteauction.com has received many emails supporting what we are trying to accomplish. We feel that a public message board is the best way for people to express their support or criticisms of voteauction.com. ·Voteauction Action Team: The VAT will travel around the country handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. The VAT will be in the San Francisco area from 9/16 - 9/21. Future trips include New York City, Boston, Philadelphia and Washington DC <<<< no, i would leave out this--it rings amateurish. why just sf? it's too specific. if you want, put these details on the site and mention a url where people can see the schedule, but don't mention the details here. for one thing, it doesn't quite sync with the austrian ownership thing. it makes it seem james is still involved quite a bit. this is also a problem with putting james's quotes right at the beginning of the press release, maybe. >>>> With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. <<<< all the new feature stuff is roughly ok, but i'd shorten it a bit r Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:40:05 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: James William Anderson Subject: Re: Please respond Mr. Anderson, I am sorry that you were unable to get through to us until now. There are two people you could contact for interviews regarding your questions. Hans Bernhard is the owner of voteauction.com: email - hans@ubermorgen.com; tel: +43-676-930 0061. James Baumgartner started voteauction.com and created the business plan: email - baumgj@rpi.edu, tel: 518-506-7725. Either of these people would be happy to answer specific questions regarding voteauction.com either via email or telephone interview. Public Relations James William Anderson wrote: To whom it may concern:I have tried several times to contact someone through the media e-mail, and have thus far been unsuccessful. I would like to understand more about the actual process of buying and selling votes. Especially, when it  comes to the actual election. I appreciate it if someone could get back in touch with me.Thank you,Jamie JohnsonCarroll Today NewspaperCarroll, Iowa712-792-2179 Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:42:40 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Ray Thomas CC: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, candid@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com Subject: Re: press release v 305 ray edit Team, Latest re-write. I still don't have the message board up but I'll get that done Monday. I decided to leave my quotes there because they are the history of voteauction.com - what I said when I started the business. I am leaving my contact info on here - when reporters ask if I am still involved, I say that I am a spokesperson for voteauction.com - as part of the sales agreement, I would continue to speak to the press about why I started it, etc... I dropped the part about me looking for a buyer - decided that it would look better if a buyer had looked for me - such a hot property that I didn't have to try to sell it - it sold itself! enjoy James FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 11, 2000 New Austrian Owner of Voteauction.com adds features. Contact: Hans Bernhard: (email: hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (email: baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with new features to better serve the voting public. Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 by graduate student James Baumgartner. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Baumgartner. "Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." In the first two days of public operation, 200 voters registered with voteauction.com. As of September 11, over 5000 people have registered with the site. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on the site, Baumgartner temporarily shut down voteauction.com and began looking for a way to operate the site legally. But even while voteauction.com was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the internet (see partial press list below.) News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." Leading political analysts agree that voteauction.com is an industry innovator: "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process…" Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) "It's really a great way to bring home to voters how much [big donors] are gaining from the system and how little voters are getting in comparison." Sheila Krumholz, research director of the Center for Responsive Politics (CNN.com) Voteauction.com has exciting new features. · Voter Empowerment Kits (VEK): Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. This will allow the voter to directly market their votes to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. · Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com supporters and detractors to post their views on the voteauction.com mission. Examples of the response voteauction.com has already received: "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) "With some much money being spent on this year's election, it's nice to see someone trying to give some of it to the voters." "jenny ondioline" email to voteauction.com. ·Voteauction Action Team: The VAT will travel around the country handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. Selected Press Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopicintid=101&contentintid=7408 Attachment converted: hans:pressrelease306.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (0000C33B) Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: jservin@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:51:01 -0700 To: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, candid@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com From: Ray Thomas Subject: Re: press release v 305 ray edit lots of punctuation etc.--i'm just fixing it rather than explaining it now inline changes are in caps--please look carefully to find them >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: >September 11, 2000 > >New Austrian Owner of Voteauction.com adds features. New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds features > >Contact: Hans Bernhard: (email: hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930 0061) >James Baumgartner (email: baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) > Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with SEVERAL new features DESIGNED to better serve the voting public. >Voteauction.com was launched on August 1 by graduate student James Baumgartner. "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day," said Baumgartner. "Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." In the >first two days of public operation, 200 voters registered with voteauction.com. cut that sentence starting with "In the first" and i really think this shouldn't go at the front of the release, because it's not the news--it forces people to read to like the fourth paragraph to find out what the news is, that's no good As of September 11, over 5000 people have registered with the site. > >When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on the site, Baumgartner temporarily shut down voteauction.com and began looking for a way to operate the site legally. But even while voteauction.com was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the internet (see partial press list below.) > >News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. > >"As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." > >Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." > below is not really contextualized. if you want to have just a string be of quotes, then just put it at the very end of the release, not here where it totally interrupts the flow. a press release should sound like an article. >Leading political analysts agree that voteauction.com is an industry innovator: >"These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process…" >Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) > >"It's really a great way to bring home to voters how much [big donors] are gaining from the system and how little voters are getting in comparison." >Sheila Krumholz, research director of the Center for Responsive Politics (CNN.com) > >Voteauction.com has exciting new features. "Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the Voteauction.com relaunch" or something and the dots are not standard ascii--use * and indent manually the paragraph cut at 70 characters or so >· Voter Empowerment Kits (VEK): Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. This will allow the voter to directly market their votes to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. > >· Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com USERS to post their FEEDBACK ON THE VOTEAUCTION.COM PRODUCT views on the voteauction.com mission. > >Examples of the response voteauction.com has already received: again, just leave this to the end. i think it really doesn't work at all like this. >"This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" >Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) > >"With some much money being spent on this year's election, it's nice to see someone trying to give some of it to the voters." >"jenny ondioline" email to voteauction.com. > >·Voteauction Action Team: The VAT will travel around the country handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. > >With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. > >Selected Press > >Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html > >CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html > >Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html > >ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html > >NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopicintid= 101&contentintid=7408 like here, could put Selected Quotes or something Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: whoops, disregard previous Hans, Sorry, i made a typo: I wrote info@voteaucton instead of info@voteauction. Everything's running smoothly. The message board is now operational, hopefully we'll get some crazy "discussions" going. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:17:04 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: ray@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, candid@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: press release 307 All, Alright, this one ought to do it. I moved the quotes to the end, trimmed the fat at the beginning so it gets straight to the news. The message board is active now. Now I just need to create the Voter Empowerment Kits. It's late so I'm sure there are typos - let me know FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 11, 2000 New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds features Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto: hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto: baumgj@rpi.edu +1-518-506 7725) Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public. The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan to allow voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner shut down the site and began looking for a way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the internet (see partial press list below.) News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." Bernhard is an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs. "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch. * Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. The voters can then market their votes directly to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. * Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product. * Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. Selected Press Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopicintid=101&contentintid=7408 Selected Quotes "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process…" Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) "It's really a great way to bring home to voters how much [big donors] are gaining from the system and how little voters are getting in comparison." Sheila Krumholz, research director of the Center for Responsive Politics (CNN.com) "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: Public Relations cc: ray@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, candid@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: Re: press release 307 i rewrote and moved some stuff around... >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: >September 11, 2000 > >New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds features exciting features? > >Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto: hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930 0061) >James Baumgartner (mailto: baumgj@rpi.edu +1-518-506 7725) no space between mailto: and the address (so recipients can just click); also, comma before phone number >Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public. > >The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan to allow voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner shut down the site and began looking for a comma before shut >way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the internet (see partial press list below.) for some reason Internet should be capitalized > >News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard, an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs, offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities >constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." > > >Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch. > >* Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and >bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. The voters can then market their >votes directly to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the >capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. > >* Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users >to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product. > >* Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America >handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on >their democratic capital. > >Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. As Bernhard says, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." >Selected Press > >Washington Post: >http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html > >CNN.com: >http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html > >Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html > >ABC News: >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html > >NY1 News: >http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopicintid=101&contentintid=7408 > >Selected Quotes > >"These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] processÖ" fucked up ^E >Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) > >"When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." >James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) > >"This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" >Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) >"It's really a great way to bring home to voters how much [big donors] are gaining from the system and how little voters are getting in comparison." >Sheila Krumholz, research director of the Center for Responsive Politics >(CNN.com) > i don't know about that last quote--might want to eliminate it because it says "here's the point of this" and seems to call it a statement. anyhow, i moved it. Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: critter@mail137.pair.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:48:12 -0500 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: Sally Duros Subject: voteauction.com Cc: pr@voteauction.com Hello Mr. Bernhard - I am a freelance writer doing a piece for the Chicago Sun-Times on Voteauction.com. I was hoping that you could comment on the record about the functionality of the site: ie Do you have a process in place for verifying the registration voters? Technically, are the votes sold to you and then sold to the bidder? Do your online statistics accurately reflect the activity at the site? Is is legal to solicit the selling of votes in Austria? Could you point me to a statement on the site that speaks to business nature of the site? what kind of incubator is ubermorgen.com? Is it the same ubermorgen.com that was involved in etoy last year? Thank you very much for your time. I am on a very tight deadline, so please get back to me before 8:00 am (CST) sally duros ______________________________________________________________ Sally Duros Writer on Assignment for The Chicago Sun-Times Sally@Sduros.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:37:21 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: RTMark admin CC: ray@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, candid@rtmark.com, baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: press release 307b Here it is again, with corrections. I think it would be best if Hans sent this out, that way if anyone checked the full header of the email, they would not see "rpi" anywhere in it. Hans - I will give you the full list of press to send it to. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 11, 2000 New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public. The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan to allow voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner, shut down the site and began looking for a way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the Internet (see partial press list below.) News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard, an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs, offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch. * Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. The voters can then market their votes directly to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. * Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product. * Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. As owner Hans Bernhard says, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." Selected Press Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopicintid=101&contentintid=7408 Selected Quotes "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process." Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) Attachment converted: hans:pressrelease307b.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (0000C6D6)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:34:39 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: [Fwd: information and e-mail-interview request] Hans, This one is for you. Feel free to give them my contact info as well if they are interested. James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: information and e-mail-interview request Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:12:26 +0200 From: Birgit Gamböck Reply-To: To: Hallo, this is Birgit Gamböck, Online Editor for NET-BC Internet Business Center. www.net-bc.com is a german speaking news site, dealing with financial and internet subjects. As an online platform for the German internet industry, we address managers, CEOs, decision makers, startups, investors and the venture capitalist community. I want to ask for further information about voteauction.com (company and business details, investors ...) and - if possible - for an e-mail-interview / phone-interview with Mr. Hans Bernhard. An early reply will oblige. With kind regards Birgit Gamboeck Online Editor mailto:bgamboeck@net-bc.com NET-BC Internet Business Center www.net-bc.com ________________________________________________ NET-Investor Verlag GmbH Rosenheimer Str. 145 c net-fon: +49-89-49999365 81671 Munich, Germany net-fax: +49-89-49999369 ________________________________________________ for press releases: mailto:pr@net-bc.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: ubermorgen@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:47:55 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: Sally Duros (by way of hans_extrem) Subject: voteauction.com Hello - the domain name register says that voteauction.com is registered in your name. I am a free-lance writer doing a short piece for the Chicago Sun-Times on Voteauction.com. I was hoping that I could ask you a few questions. The piece I am writing will be about different kinds of marketing techniques on the Internet. I am very interested in the type of marketing that you do. Is the voteauction.com site part of your year one celebration of the etoy victory? How is your business doing? Have you been making money from your art and through ubermorgen? How many clients do you have? Did you "purchase" voteauction.com or did you simply adopt it? Has the US government contacted you about voteauction.com? Thank you for your time, and I hope you will share some information. sally duros sally@sduros.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:46:03 -0500 To: baumgj@rpi.edu, admin@rtmark.com From: frank guerrero Subject: press release 307b frank edit Cc: ray@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, candid@rtmark.com looks good to me- i didnt really think of anything that has to happen differently here-i would imagine its ready to send out- one thing that could go on it would be a URL or somewhere people could go to see the Actiuon Team's schedule- frank FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 11, 2000 New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public. The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan that enabled voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder over the internet. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner, shut down the site and began looking for a way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the Internet (see partial press list below.) News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard, an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs, offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch. * Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork that they can use to market their votes directly to campaign contributors in any election. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. * Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product. * Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. As owner Hans Bernhard says, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." Selected Press Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopicintid=101& contentintid=7408 Selected Quotes "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process." Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) Attachment converted: Fiasco-Sys:pressrelease307b.doc 1 (WDBN/MSWD) (001806BA)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:23:34 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Sally Duros CC: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: voteauction.com Ms. Duros, Answers to your questions are detailed below. Sally Duros wrote: >Hello Mr. Bernhard - > >I am a freelance writer doing a piece for the Chicago Sun-Times on Voteauction.com. I was hoping that you could comment on the record about the functionality of the site: ie > >Do you have a process in place for verifying the registration voters? > When voteauction.com was operating in America under its previous owner, the plan was to have voters fill out their absentee ballots according to the wishes of the winning bidder and then send these ballots to voteauction.com for verification. The ballots would then be returned to the appropriate election district. Now that voteauction.com is operating in Austria, we find that this will be unfeasible. Instead, we are leaving the verification up to the individuals (or corporations) who win the auction. They can choose from a variety of methods: The old-fashioned honor system - this is how votes have been bought for many years in America - a candidate's supporter would go out and give money to people on the street, drive them to the polls and tell them who to vote for. Absentee ballots - the winning bidder would tell the voters how to fill out their absentee ballot, they would send it to the winning bidder for verification and then the winning bidder would send it to the appropriate election district. Voters could send a photcopy of their absentee ballot (this could be faked, but it would be more secure than just the honor system.) Voters could take a picture of the ballot or polling machine while they were in the voting booth. > >Technically, are the votes sold to you and then sold to the bidder? > The votes are never sold to voteauction.com. They are sold to the bidder. Voteauction.com is running a forum for the exchange of votes and capital. > >Do your online statistics accurately reflect the activity at the site? Yes. The amount of media attention given to voteauction.com has generated a great deal of interest in our site. With our small staff, we are often unable to keep up with demand, but we try to keep the statistics as up-to-date as possible. I believe Mr. Bernhard answered the rest of your questions. Please let us know if you have any follow-up questions. We would also appreciate it if you could let us know if you will run an on-line version of an article about voteauction.com so that we may add a link to our "news & press" page. Sincerely, Public Relations > > >Is is legal to solicit the selling of votes in Austria? > >Could you point me to a statement on the site that speaks to business nature of the site? > >what kind of incubator is ubermorgen.com? > >Is it the same ubermorgen.com that was involved in etoy last year? > >Thank you very much for your time. I am on a very tight deadline, so please get back to me before 8:00 am (CST) > >sally duros > >______________________________________________________________ > >Sally Duros >Writer on Assignment for >The Chicago Sun-Times > >Sally@Sduros.comDelivered-To: ubermorgen@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: office@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: critter@mail137.pair.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:12:33 -0500 To: ubermorgen From: Sally Duros Subject: Re: voteauction.com Mr. Bernhard - thank you for the reply. You speak English very well, by the way. I had cc'd my questions to the pr department at voteauction.com. , so perhaps they will get back to me sooner than in 24 hours? sally duros ______________________________________________________________ Sally Duros Writer on Assignment for The Chicago Sun-Times Sally@Sduros.com Delivered-To: ubermorgen@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: office@ubermorgen.com Date: 12 Sep 2000 15:26:44 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@www.etxtreme.ru To: office@ubermorgen.com Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at www.etxtreme.ru. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, I couldn't find any host by that name. (#4.1.2) I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24021 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2000 14:25:43 -0000 Received: from 212186130182.15.vie.surfer.at (HELO ?192.168.0.11?) (@212.186.130.182) by www.etxtreme.ru with SMTP; 5 Sep 2000 14:25:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ubermorgen@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:17:51 +0200 To: mkanders@javanet.com From: ubermorgen Subject: voteauction.com pr-rep. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" mark, please put the quote on the following voteauction.com pr-representative: mrs. sandra baierl, us-press contact voteauction.com PR dept., sandra@voteauction.com best regards hans bernhardDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: sydney2000 thanks hans! have put these on the front page in honor of the olympics.... http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >http://www.silly2000.com > >http://www.samcentre.org/ >http://www.cat.org.au/pissoff/ > >fyi >greetZ >hans_e >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: FTP error message Hans, Just in case it might help, here is the error message I receive from the ftp server: STATUS:> Connect: Thursday 09:15:14 09-14-2000 STATUS:> Connecting to voteauction.com STATUS:> Connecting to voteauction.com (ip = 62.116.31.68) STATUS:> Socket connected. Waiting for welcome message... 500 server1.etxtreme.ru FTP server shut down -- please try again later. ERROR:> Unknown response code: 500 ERROR:> Can't login. Still trying... STATUS:> Disconnect: Thursday 09:15:15 09-14-2000 JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: (Unverified) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:57:55 -0500 To: net_CALLBOY , RTMark admin From: frank guerrero Subject: Re: sydney2000 holy shit! real-life intruders- sounds fantastic, lkeep up the good work! rock and roll frank At 5:23 PM +0200 9/14/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>thanks hans! have put these on the front page in honor of the olympics.... > >kewl.. > >we have had serious troubles with a >intrusion on our servers.. it seems >very closely related to voteauction.com, the hacker has tried several times >to intrude the server where votauction.com is hosted.. he didnt succeed.. but he >fucked our software-dev server badly, >we have to kill it and reinstall.. > >boahh.. real action! not legal shit but tech.. lotza work and costs.. but thats >ok, cause we have only paied nothing for the great voteauction.com pr-stunt, >so its a fair deal ..hehehe... i am >positive anyway.. and we do daily interviews regarding votauction.com, also for >german mags etc.. > >best regards >hans_e > > >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>> >>>http://www.silly2000.com >>> >>>http://www.samcentre.org/ >>>http://www.cat.org.au/pissoff/ >>> >>>fyi >>>greetZ >>>hans_e >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html >>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: ccutter@mail.schwartz-pr.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:20:40 -0400 To: Public Relations , hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com From: Chris Cutter Subject: Re: press release 307b (ready to roll) Good job. I'll send this out tonight. Chris At 03:03 PM 9/14/00 -0400, Public Relations wrote: All, The Voter Empowerment Kits aren't up yet, but I should have them up by Monday. Hans - send this out to the list I gave you. Chris - send it to the same people you did last time, or send Hans a list of people. Ray - could you send baumgj@rpi.edu the list of SF press contacts? spokesperson FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 11, 2000 New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public. The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan to allow voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner, shut down the site and began looking for a way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the Internet (see partial press list below.) News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard, an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs, offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch. * Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. The voters can then market their votes directly to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. * Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product. * Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. As owner Hans Bernhard says, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." Selected Press Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopicintid =101&contentintid=7408 Selected Quotes "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process." Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) ******************************** Chris Cutter Schwartz Communications Prospect Place 230 Third Avenue Waltham, MA 02451 Phone: 781.684.0770 Fax: 781.684.6500 ccutter@schwartz-pr.com www.schwartz-pr.com ******************************** Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Reply-To: From: Birgit Gamböck To: Subject: Foto zum Telefoninterview für NET-BC Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:54:48 +0200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Hallo Herr Bernhard, denken Sie bitte an das Foto und die Unterlagen über Ihre Venrtures, die Sie mir versprochen hatten. Ich bräuchte das dringend bis Montag früh morgens. Wenn Sie ebenso wie ich auch am Wochenende arbeiten, könnten Sie mir die Unterlagen morgen auch an meine Privatmail schicken: bgamboeck@hotmail.com. Das Foto ist sehr sehr sehr wichtig. Ich kann sonst das Interview nicht bringen. Danke schön und Grüße aus München Birgit Gamböck Online Editor NET-BC Internet Business Center www.net-bc.com NETINVESTOR Verlag Rosenheimer Str. 145c 81671 München 089/49999365 mailto: bgamboeck@net-bc.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Reply-To: From: Birgit Gamböck To: Subject: E-Mail-Interview über Voteauction.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:37:16 +0200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Hallo Herr Bernhard, vielen Dank für Ihre schnelle Antwort und Ihre Bereitschaft zum Interview. Ich schlage folgendes vor: zuerst schicke ich Ihnen einige grundsätzliche Fragen per e-mail, für Details und Nachfragen würde ich mich dann noch telefonisch bei Ihnen melden. Ich brauche natürlich auch ein Foto von Ihnen. Es wäre schön, wenn Sie mir ein Bild im jpeg-Format mitmailen können. Der Artikel mit Interview wird Online erscheinen. Im Anang die Fragen. Grüße aus München Birgit Gamböck Online Editor NET-BC Intenet Business Center www.net-bc.com mailto: bgamboeck@net-bc.com 0049/89/499993-65 Attachment converted: hans:Int-Bernhard.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (0000C960) Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero cc: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: sydney2000 indeed--it's kind of crazy, quite a compliment to something.... now you are a martyr to the cause of citizen confusion! congratulations again!! ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >holy shit! real-life intruders- > >sounds fantastic, lkeep up the good work! > >rock and roll > >frank > >At 5:23 PM +0200 9/14/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>thanks hans! have put these on the front page in honor of the olympics.... >> >>kewl.. >> >>we have had serious troubles with a >>intrusion on our servers.. it seems >>very closely related to voteauction.com, the hacker has tried several times >>to intrude the server where votauction.com is hosted.. he didnt succeed.. but he >>fucked our software-dev server badly, >>we have to kill it and reinstall.. >> >>boahh.. real action! not legal shit but tech.. lotza work and costs.. but thats >>ok, cause we have only paied nothing for the great voteauction.com pr-stunt, >>so its a fair deal ..hehehe... i am >>positive anyway.. and we do daily interviews regarding votauction.com, also for >>german mags etc.. >> >>best regards >>hans_e >> >> >>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>> >>>On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>http://www.silly2000.com >>>> >>>>http://www.samcentre.org/ >>>>http://www.cat.org.au/pissoff/ >>>> >>>>fyi >>>>greetZ >>>>hans_e >>>>-- >>>> >>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>> >>>>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html >>>> >> >>-- >> >>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:05:14 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: hack Hans, Do you have any idea who was doing the hacking? Did they leave IP address trace or anything - any idea if they were after voteauction - this could be very interesting. I've heard that the FBI sometimes hires hackers to do their dirty work for them. Since I won't have access to the info@voteauction.com and pr@voteauction.com accounts for a day or so, please be sure to forward any important email to me. Also, send me any links of voteauction.com mentioned in the Austrian press - I am trying to get as complete a collection as possible. All right, Get ready for press wave 2. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:03:12 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com, ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com Subject: press release 307b (ready to roll) All, The Voter Empowerment Kits aren't up yet, but I should have them up by Monday. Hans - send this out to the list I gave you. Chris - send it to the same people you did last time, or send Hans a list of people. Ray - could you send baumgj@rpi.edu the list of SF press contacts? spokesperson FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 11, 2000 New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re-launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public. The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan to allow voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner, shut down the site and began looking for a way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the Internet (see partial press list below.) News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard, an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs, offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch. * Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. The voters can then market their votes directly to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. * Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product. * Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. As owner Hans Bernhard says, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." Selected Press Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopicintid=101&contentintid=7408 Selected Quotes "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process." Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) Attachment converted: hans:pressrelease307b.doc 1 (WDBN/MSWD) (0000CEA3)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:52:14 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: press release send-to list Hans, Here's a list of journalists who have contacted me, and/or done stories about voteauction.com: mkanders@javanet.com matthieu.auzanneau@transfert.net jeremiah.johnson@ny1news.com Richard.Stenger@turner.com jrodat@metroland.net adam.balkin@ny1news.com rabramson@thestandard.com kellyc@cnet.com jharger@gr-press.com noualhat@liberation.fr joseph.menn@latimes.com clive@bway.net Andreas.Roesler@DerStandard.at a-jeremd@microsoft.com nicole.m.rashid@abc.com francois.bringer@turner.com dharrie@sltrib.com amyg@pacifica.org liz_borod@timeinc.com jennifer.hoyt@chron.com matthias.funk@gmx.at jon.ward.01@bbc.co.uk michelleh@newsreview.com andrew@wanderbody.com votingproj@aol.com helge@mellvik.no eweise@usatoday.com steven_cook@altavista.com I might find some more later, but that is all for now. Feel free to add more european press or who ever else you want to.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:39:49 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: [Fwd: contact] Hans, This looks like another one for (you) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: contact Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:23:29 +0200 (MEST) From: matthias funk To: pr@voteauction.com As a journalist of the Austrian private TV-channel ATV I've recently read an article at "Pressetext Austria" about the selling of the American homepage 'www.voteauction.com' to an Austrian man (you?) who has exported the server to Bulgaria. Me and my team would like to get in contact with this person (you?) because we would like to make an interview with him (you?). yours sincerely, Matthias Funk -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.netDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:38:46 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Jennifer Hoyt Subject: Re: Information request Ms. Hoyt There are two people you may contact for questions about voteauction.com. One is the owner, Hans Bernhard (hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930-0061). The other is our American spokesperson, James Baumgartner (baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506-7725). You are correct that the number in the far right column on the "check" page is an identification number. Each bidder is assigned a bidder number. This allows them to check on the progress of their bids with anonymity. We would be pleased to answer any further questions. Public Relations Jennifer Hoyt wrote: >My name is Jennifer Hoyt and I'm a reporter with the Houston Chronicle. I'm thinking about writing a short story about voteauction.com, but I have some questions. Is there a contact phone number? > >Specifically, I'm interested in looking at the number of Texas who have signed on to sell their votes and how much they're going for. Is the number in the column at the far right an identification number of some sort? > >If someone could email me back or call me in our Washington bureau at 202-393-6880, I'd appreciate it. > >Thanks, >Jennifer HoytDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Reply-To: From: Birgit Gamböck To: Subject: NET-BC: Artikel und Interview jetzt online Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:40:16 +0200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Hallo Herr Bernhard, die Geschichte ist jetzt auf www.net-bc.com online. Grüße Birgit Gamböck NET-BC Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:51:40 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com, Igor Vamos , csik@rpi.edu, Kathleen Ruiz , ccutter@schwartz-pr.com, willworkforfood@hotmail.com, admin@rtmark.com Subject: voteauction in the chicago sun-times. This story covers it from the "guerilla marketing" angle. It looks like it made the front page - at least it's on the front page of the website. http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/vote18.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:39:59 -0400 From: Peter Fritz X-Accept-Language: en To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: ORF Washington Sehr geehrter Herr Bernhard, Vielen Dank für Ihre rasche Antwort. Ich habe an sich vor, meine Story in erster Linie hier in den USA spielen zu lassen, aber ich werde mich nochmals mit meinen Kollegen in Wien besprechen und sehen, was sich machen lässt. Gibt es in den USA niemenden, der als Interviewpartner in Frage käme? Ich weiß schon, dass die Sache hier auch aus rechtlichen Gründen etwas heikel ist, aber wir könnten, wie zuvor schon erwähnt, entsprechende Anonymitätsvorkehrungen treffen. Viele Grüße, Peter Fritz Delivered-To: ubermorgen@ubermorgen.com From: "Freelance1" To: Subject: Meldung zu Ihrem Unternehmen Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:34:18 +0200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, wir möchten Ihnen mitteilen, dass Sie unter www.net-bc.com eine Meldung zu Ihrem Unternehmen finden. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Anna Gabriel NET-BC mail to: freelance1@net-bc.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:48:59 -0400 From: Peter Fritz X-Accept-Language: en To: hans_extrem@hotmail.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: ORF Washington Sehr geehrter Herr Bernhard, Ich bin durch einen Artikel in Wired News auf das Projekt voteauction.com gestoßen. Da ich gerade an einer Story zum Thema Geld und Politik in den USA arbeite, wüßte ich gerne, ob für es dieses Projekt noch Ansprechpartner bzw. Interviewpartner in den USA gibt. Bei Wunsch könnten wir auch Unkenntlichkeit (Verfremdung von Bild und/ oder Ton) arrangieren. Viele Grüße, Peter Fritz Korrespondent ORF Washington Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:01:58 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: Igor Vamos , csik@rpi.edu, Kathleen Ruiz , prapp@capital.net, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: "wicked political satire, or just wicked?" http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2000/0918/pol-vote-09-25-00.aspDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:31:25 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: David_R._Sarosi@dadebehring.com Subject: Re: Your web site is redundant! Mr. Sarosi, Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. Voteauction.com now features a message board where you can post your views. We hope that you will send post your letter (or something similar) on the message board. Alternately, we could post this for you - with your permission, of course. We can post your message anonymously, with a pseudonym, or with your real name and email if you like. Thank you for your insightful comments, Public Relations David_R._Sarosi@dadebehring.com wrote: >Hi, > >You obviously have'nt been watching how the Democrats and Republicans in this farce of a country operate. Nor have you been watching the electorate. Everyone's vote is already for sale, and the Democrats and Republicans are the ones buying. Why would anyone want to pay a voter directly with his/her own money, when votes in this country are paid for through the forced extraction of taxes from hard-working folks like myself. Just look at every campaign promise, where the money comes from, and who ends up voting for the promise maker. > >As for election buying, big, regulated businesses already have that locked up. All they have to do is donate a few hundred thousand dollars to the right party or candidates and they get all sorts of laws passed that restrict their competitors or competitive industries. As for buying foreign influence, there's no way in hell you are going to be able to buy more influence than the Chinese. Austria just doesn't have that kind of money, and you aren't Communist enough to make Bill Clinton and Al Gore happy. > >If you want to influence this election, do our country a favor and start publicising the Libertarian Party candidates, Harry Browne and Art Olivier. They are working, as are all Libertarians, to secure a future for this nation where a man's property, body, thoughts,etc. (and vote) are his to dispose of as he sees fit, without the government coming along and taking them, only to use them to buy votes from the sheep. > >I heartily applaud your efforts to expose this country's election as the vote-buying sham that it is. The only sad thing is that no one else gets the joke. > >David Sarosi >A man whose vote has never been for sale (unless the offer is for more personal freedom and individual liberty).Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:39:37 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction update Hans, I sent liz a couple of zip archives of updates for the website. Do you know when those will be updated? Do you need me to send them to you instead? JamesDelivered-To: ubermorgen@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: emarket@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: critter@mail137.pair.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:28:08 -0500 To: emarket@ubermorgen.com From: Sally Duros Subject: voteauction.com Hello - the domain name register says that voteauction.com is registered in your name. I am a free-lance writer doing a short piece for the Chicago Sun-Times on Voteauction.com. I was hoping that I could ask you a few questions. The piece I am writing will be about different kinds of marketing techniques on the Internet. I am very interested in the type of marketing that you do. Is the voteauction.com site part of your year one celebration of the etoy victory? How is your business doing? Have you been making money from your art and through ubermorgen? How many clients do you have? Did you "purchase" voteauction.com or did you simply adopt it? Has the US government contacted you about voteauction.com? Thank you for your time, and I hope you will share some information. sally duros sally@sduros.com Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Christoph Luke" To: Subject: interview Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:55:15 +0200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal sehr geehrter herr bernhard, als redakteur für das nachrichtenmagazin FORMAT wurde ich beauftragt, einen artikel über "voteauction.com" zu verfassen und würde ihnen diesbezüglich gerne ein paar kurze fragen stellen. da die story morgen mittag fertig sein müsste, würde ich sie gerne morgen früh/vormittag anrufen. das gespräch wird etwa 5 minuten in anspruch nehmen. mit der bitte um ihr diesbezügliches feedback verbleibe ich mit besten grüssen, christoph luke;-) FORMAT +43-699-113 46 955 Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: bmatthew@fcw.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: FCW To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:57:13 -0400 Subject: voteauction web site Hello: I am trying to contact the operators of Voteauction.com for a story I am writing about the Web site for Federal Computer Week magazine. The site's administrator is listed as Luzius Bernhard on the Network Solutions list of domain names and operators. Voteauction has generated a fair amount of interest and some controversy here in Washington, and I'd like to ask a few questions in the hope of making it clearer what the site is all about. 1. Is the site intended as a parody of the U.S. political system, or a serious business endeavor? 2. How would someone who buys a vote go about casting it? 3. Why is the site invalid only in New York? 4. Have you neen contacted by the Justice Department of the FBI? 5. Who are the Austrian buyers and what other sort of businesses are they in? 6. Where did the idea for the site come from? Thanks for your assistance, Bill Matthews Federal Computer Week 1-800-877-6291 ext. 5083Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:37:45 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Ralph Combs Subject: Re: Disappointed Mr. Combs, Thank you for your participation in the first stage of voteauction.com. The people who signed up while Mr. Baumgartner owned the site have not been carried over to the new owners. If you are still considering participating as a bidder or voter, you will need to sign up again. If you do not plan to participate as a bidder or seller, we hope that you will participate in the voteauction.com message board. The message board is intended to be an open forum for the exchange of ideas about voteauction.com, vote-selling, campaign investing, and the election in general. Public Relations Ralph Combs wrote: >Well, after registering to bid on a block of votes for the state of Montana (originally I was going to register to sell, but there were no bidders, so I thought I would take up the mantle) I was very disappointed to read of James Baumgartners selling of the website and essentially shirking from the fight. I wanted to participate in his experiment because I thought it a brilliant statement on the lack of power the average voter, even one as politically active as I, feels in todays democratic process. I knew that the site was going to raise the ire of many, but I thought that's what the (one of the) aim(s) was in its creation. Truth be told, I can understand backing down from the potential legal hassles that were to ensue. Anyway, I plan to keep track of this process, but I do not want to participate as a bidder or seller.Best of luck-Ralph CombsDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:56:32 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: voteauction update Hans, No problem, it's good to see the stuff up now. It is probably a good idea to delete the registrant information now. I have downloaded it. You can make a copy for yourself if you like. I will download it on a regular basis and send you a message saying to delete it. I should have some more updates by the end of the weekend. James net_CALLBOY wrote: >>Hans, > >james, >sorry sorry sorry for delay.. >finanlly did as instructed.. >please check site.. its all >running i think,, any updates >etc.. just a quick email with >urgent in the subject to >hans@ubermorgen.com,, i now >know how to secure ftp.. so >no pro.. > >had some serious pr here in >austria,, will send you scan >when mag is out monday; > >cu! >hans_E > >ps: what about the voters >data?? should i erase, download, >what should i do with it? > >>Here are the updates. >> >>Please replace all current .htm files with the ones in the va092500.zip archive. Also, please create a folder called "empowerf" within the web directory and place all of the files from the empowerf.zip archive inside of that. Apologies for the big file size. >> >>James >> >>Attachment converted: hans:empowerf.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (0000E695) Attachment converted: hans:va092500.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (0000E696) > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:49:30 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Andrea Perkins Subject: Re: wired article Andrea Perkins, There have been articles about voteauction.com in many different newspapers, television shows and websites. We believe that all of these stories have contributed to the increase in the number of voters registered with voteauction.com. It would be impossible to say which article caused which voter to register with voteauction.com. Public Relations Andrea Perkins wrote: >Hi- >I'm a reporter with the Metro Santa Cruz newspaper, downwind from Wired. I was just wondering - has the number of voters on voteacution.com increased as a result of Wired's coverage of the site? > >Best Regards, >Andrea PerkinsDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:45:25 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: voteauction update Hans, Here are the updates. Please replace all current .htm files with the ones in the va092500.zip archive. Also, please create a folder called "empowerf" within the web directory and place all of the files from the empowerf.zip archive inside of that. Apologies for the big file size. James Attachment converted: hans:empowerf.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (0000E695) Attachment converted: hans:va092500.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (0000E696)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: rabramson@mail.thestandard.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:47:43 -0700 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: Ronna Abramson Subject: Fwd: New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features Hi Hans: I am a reporter with The Industry Standard and I wrote a story about voteauction when James first launched the site. I got your press release below but when I looked at the site didn't see any of the changes it mentions. I'm just wondering if and when you are putting them up and if you are still planning to hold the auction. If you could send me an email I'd really appreciate it. Since the time difference is a bit tricky, I'm also wondering if we could arrange in advance to talk more, perhaps tomorrow morning my time, early evening your time? Please let me know. Thanks. Ronna Abramson X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:25:02 +0200 To: pr@voteauction.com From: voteauction pr Subject: New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 16, 2000 New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features Contact: Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re- launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public. The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan to allow voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner, shut down the site and began looking for a way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the Internet (see partial press list below.) News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard, an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs, offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws. "As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry." Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch. * Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. The voters can then market their votes directly to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote. * Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product. * Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital. Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. As owner Hans Bernhard says, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor." Selected Press Washington Post: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html NY1 News: http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subtopi cintid=101&contentintid=7408 Selected Quotes "These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process." Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) "When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) "This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org) Ronna Abramson The Industry Standard 315 Pacific Avenue San Francisco, CA 94111 (415) 591-6987 Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:07:32 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Edward Chapman CC: edward@makingcomputerssimple.com Subject: Re: A Short Interview Edward Chapman, There are two people you could interview for your show. Hans Bernhard is the current owner of voteauction.com. (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930-0061) James Baumgartner started the website and is our US spokesperson (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506-7725) Public Relations Edward Chapman wrote: >My name is Edward Chapman and I host a computer radio show in Atlanta. I would like to do a 3 minute interview with a rep from your company. if you are at all interested in this interview please e-mail me at Edward@makingcomputerssimple.com >_________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:52:22 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: merens@wpr.org Subject: Re: Radio Interview Ben Merens, We have forwarded your email to voteauction.com owner, Hans Bernhard and voteauction.com founder James Baumgartner. One or both of them should be getting in touch with you today. Public Relations merens@wpr.org wrote: >My name is Ben Merens. I am a talk show producer at Wisconsin Public Radio. I would like a call from someone at voteauction.com to discuss a radio interview about the website and its mission. > >Thank you. > >Ben Merens >Wisconsin Public Radio >Producer, "The Kathleen Dunn Show" >(414) 227-2040Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:47:46 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Lucy Sherriff Subject: Re: About this vote selling business, Lucy Sherriff, All information about the current price for votes is available on the "check" page at voteauction.com. Public Relations Lucy Sherriff wrote: >Hi, > >How much, on average, is a vote selling for? We'd love to know. > >Thanks, > >Lucy Sherriff >Reporter/Vulture >www.theregister.co.uk >44 (0) 20 7499 2264Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:44:16 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Luke Nosek Subject: Re: Tshirts Luke Nosek, We are not selling t-shirts at this time. You can feel free to download images from the Voter Empowerment Kit and print your own t-shirts, bumper stickers, etc. We are not planning on making any profit from this election. Public Relations Luke Nosek wrote: >Do you have t-shirts? > >I'm not sure I can use your product because I am an executive at a well known company, but I would love to spread the news to my friends. > >I don't mean to ask for legal advice, but to your knowledge is selling your vote a violation of California law or Federal law? > >I bet in the short term you can make more money off of tshirts, banners, buttons than selling actual votes. > >-LukeDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:16:21 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: chicago Found an article about chicago: http://www.suntimes.com/output/sneed/sneed04.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: updates, chicago Hans, The updates look good. Have you received any emails from election officials in Chicago or some other part of Illinois? I've heard rumors that they want to "shut down the voteauction.com website" but I don't think they've tried to make any contact yet (at least not with me.) It's ironic since Chicago has such a long history of vote-buying, and dead people voting, etc. If this potato is getting too hot, let me know and we can work out a solution to cool it off. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:06:24 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: va update 10/04/00 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Hans, Here's the latest update. I've downloaded the registration pages again, so you can delete the data. I will keep doing this every few days. James Attachment converted: hans:va100400.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (0000EE2B)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:44:14 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: [Fwd: voteauction.com] Hans, working on update, I'll get it out to you later tonight. It would be great if you could get VHS copies of any television coverage. We have an international VCR here so PAL format is OK. James net_CALLBOY wrote: >>Hans, >> >>This one smells a little fishy, so I thought you should look at it before I give away your number to this person, Dirk Dubro/Martin Wolfram. > >hi james, >thx, good thinking.. does smell fishy, but its ok... the guy just called me... > >we will do an interview for a local tv -station in vienna.. > >by the way, have massive coverage in austria at the moment.. lotza media-hyping going on.. > >send me updates, infos, whatever anytime,, here its a rollercoaster-ride with our company, up-and-down and... not because of voteauction but of our business-clients; > >ok, all the best >hans_e > >>James >> >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: voteauction.com >>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:56:41 +0200 >>From: "Martin Wolfram" Reply-To: >>To: >> >>Dear press and media contact, >> >> >>this is Mr. Dirk Dubro from the austrian TV station A TV! We´d like to make report about your site and Mr. Hans Bernhard who bought >>the site from James Baumgartner. >>At this time it is a bit difficult to get in contact to Mr. Bernhard! We can´t find any information abaut his companie "übermorgen" in austria and >>no telefone numbers at all! >> >>It would be wery kind of you if you could help us > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:59:30 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: [Fwd: voteauction.com] Hans, This one smells a little fishy, so I thought you should look at it before I give away your number to this person, Dirk Dubro/Martin Wolfram. James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: voteauction.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:56:41 +0200 From: "Martin Wolfram" Reply-To: To: Dear press and media contact, this is Mr. Dirk Dubro from the austrian TV station A TV! We´d like to make report about your site and Mr. Hans Bernhard who bought the site from James Baumgartner. At this time it is a bit difficult to get in contact to Mr. Bernhard! We can´t find any information abaut his companie "übermorgen" in austria and no telefone numbers at all! It would be wery kind of you if you could help us Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:41:29 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: [Fwd: Could you please pass this] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Could you please pass this Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:30:51 EDT From: MoPrest@aol.com To: pr@voteauction.com onto Hans Bernhard as it kept being sent back to me using the e-mail address that you sent me... Dear Hans, I am a British journalist with 'The Independent', a national newspaper in the UK. I have been asked to write a piece on Voteauction.com and hoped you might be able to answer some questions. 1) When and how did you first hear about the site? What was your first reaction? 2) Why did you decide to buy it? Do you see this as away of making money - how? Is this just a "political prank"? 3) The site was voluntarily shut down by the previous owner, Mr Baumgartner. Are you concerned at all that you might be breaking US law? How is it that buyers and sellers based in the US allowed to get involved? 4) Can you tell me about your plans for the future of Voteauction? What happens after the election? 5) Is this something that would work in the UK? What could you do there? 6) How many people work for the site? 7) Can you tell me a little bit about your professional background? 8) How old are you? 9) Are you interested in politics? Would you ever sell your vote? Do you ever wonder why you are getting involved in a political process in another country? 10) What do you say to your critics who accuse you of "vote fraud"? Isn't our vote too precious too sell - surely we can't take it for granted, something that our ancestors fought hard to preserve? Unfortunately, I am on a very tight deadline, and need to write this piece today. So, I would be very grateful if you could get back to me as soon as possible. Many thanks, Morag Preston The IndependentDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:41:31 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: [Fwd: The same thing happened] (fwd) Hans, Here is a recent email interview I did. The journalist wants to interview you as well. I have forwarded you her email she sent to pr@voteauction.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner To: MoPrest@aol.com Subject: [Fwd: The same thing happened] (fwd) Ms. Preston, Here are the answers to your questions. 1. In the early stages of George W. Bush's run for president, he was raising more money than any previous candidate had raised. Once Al Gore started running in earnest, he began raising almost as much money. It is estimated that the two candidates will combine to spend $500 million. Most of this money will go to advertising, but a significant amount (10-15%) goes to political consultants. These political consultants are hired on their ability to "deliver" votes to the candidates. This effectively treats the voters as a product being sold to the candidates (or their financial backers) by the consultants. This seemed like an inefficient system to me, and it seemed to buy and sell votes without benefit to the voters. Voteauction.com allows campaign contributors (or campaign investors, as I prefer to say) to cut out the middlemen and spend their money directly on the voters. It is more efficient than the current systme, and gives the voters a reward as well. 2.Most of question 2 was answered in question 1. Voteauction.com was created to be a business. Although I do not think the term "prank" applies to voteauction.com, I believe that it does make a point. It is the next logical step in the development of the election industry (an industry that has been growing significantly in recent American elections and now seems to be spreading worldwide.) 3. I was contacted (indirectly) by the New York City Election Commission. I felt that it was prudent to shut down the site at that time. I personally received 2 emails from people asking to be removed from the voteauction due to legal concerns - this was from the 200 people who signed up in the first day. 4. Part of my sales agreement with Mr. Bernhard is that I would continue talking with interested journalists about voteauction.com. In essence, I am acting as a spokesperson for voteauction.com. 5. Although I have voted in most elections since my 18th birthday, I was not particularly politically active until this year. I intended voteauction.com to be directed at the 100 million people in the US who are eligible to vote, but choose not to. It is also intended for the large number of undecided voters. I feel that there is very little choice between the two major candidates this year, so yes I might as well sell my vote. 6. Many things are for sale now that used to be considered too precious to sell: Human eggs, advertising space in schools, the prison system, genetic information, pollution credits. Selling votes is another logical step in this progression. If voteauction.com is just as legal as soft money. If voteauction.com is committing vote fraud, then candidates who accept soft money are certainly guilty of committing election fraud. 7. I am 26 years old. Feel free to call or email if you have more questions. James Baumgartner ----------Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:59:56 -0400 From: Public Relations To: baumgj@rpi.edu Subject: [Fwd: The same thing happened] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: The same thing happened Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:49:21 EDT From: MoPrest@aol.com To: pr@voteauction.com with James' e-mail address. Could you please pass this along too... Dear James, I am a British journalist with 'The Independent', a national newspaper in the UK. I have been asked to write a piece on Voteauction.com and hoped you might be able to answer some questions. 1) Where did the idea for the site come from? 2) What were your motives in setting it up? Was it a way of making money - how? Was it a "political prank"? 3) Why did you decide to shut down the site? Were you concerned that you might be breaking the law? Were vote buyers and sellers worried that they were breaking the law? 4) What are you doing now that you've sold Voteauction? 5) Are you interested in politics? Would you ever sell your vote? 6) What do you say to your critics who accuse you of "vote fraud"? Isn't our vote too precious too sell - surely we can't take it for granted, something that our ancestors fought hard to preserve? 7) How old are you? Unfortunately, I am on a very tight deadline, and need to write this piece today. So, I would be very grateful if you could get back to me as soon as possible. Many thanks, Morag Preston The IndependentDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Armin Medosch" To: net_CALLBOY Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:04:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Reply-to: armin@easynet.co.uk Priority: normal hi probleme scheinen euch ja erst so richtig anzuturnen. werden sie euch wegen voteaction in den knast schmeissen? nun sag mal, wie ist das denn wirklich gemeint? ich bekam grade email von einer journalistin, die nicht weiss, dass ich euch kenne, die da uebers demokratieverstaendnis sehr besorgt ist. heute war was auf dem heise- ticker von einem CT-schreiber, das hat die dame aufgekratzt cheers arminDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:47:01 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: MoPrest@aol.com Subject: Re: From British journalist Morag Preston, Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. Answers to your questions are below. For more information you can contact voteauction.com founder James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506-7725) or voteauction.com owner Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930-0061) MoPrest@aol.com wrote: >I am a British journalist with 'The Independent', a national newspaper in the UK. I have been asked to write a piece about Voteauction.com and hoped you might be able to answer some of my questions: > >1) I know the site was shutdown. Has it opened again? Are people still able to sell votes? If so, are you concerned about felony charges? The site was voluntarily shut down by the previous owner, Mr. Baumgartner. The site was then sold to Austrian e-commerce developer, Hans Bernhard. It has been operational since August 25. Voters and bidders are now able to register to buy and sell votes. Since we are operating outside of US jurisdiction, we are not concerned about felony charges. However, spending money is protected ad free speech by the US constitution's First Ammendment (1976 Supreme Court decision: Buckley v. Valeo), therefore we believe that we are not breaking any laws. > >2) Did Voteauction "Action Teams" turn up at last night's presidential debate? How many people were there? Why were they there? What did they do? 4 members of the Voteauction Action Team attended the demonstrations at last night's presidential debates. They distributed over 200 voter empowerment kits to the demonstrators outside the debates. The Action Team was there because we believe that this was an excellent opportunity to market our idea to voters who feel left out of the political system. > >3) Can you tell me about Voteauction's plans for the future? > We plan on continuing the auction and distributing more voter empowerment kits at important events. > >4) Is this something that would work in an other country - the UK, for example? Voteauction.com is concentrating on just the U.S. presidential election this year. If we are successful, we plan on expanding into elections all over the world. We understand that like the US, the UK also has many corporations and individuals contributing to the elections. We consider the UK and Germany to be our next major markets. > > >Unfortunately, I am on a very tight deadline, and need to write this piece today. So, I would be very grateful if you could get back to me as soon as possible. Many thanks, > >Morag Preston >The Independent > We hope that this answers your questions. Please email us if you have any follow-up questions. We would appreciate it if you could send a link to your article when it is published so we can add it to our "news & press" page. Sincerely, Public RelationsDelivered-To: ubermorgen@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: office@ubermorgen.com From: MoPrest@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:32:29 EDT Subject: Re: voteauction.com To: office@ubermorgen.com Many thanks for your help. Your English is perfect, Morag Preston The IndependentDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: manu16@212.236.2.220 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:34:12 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: Günther Kager Wie besprochen kurzer Fragekatalog für die Zeitschrift Horizont. Wie kommt man auf die Idee, Wählerstimmen in den USA zu verkaufen? Welche Spezialgebiete betreuen Sie mit ihrer Agentur Ubermorgen? Kommen Sie aus der Werbung? Oder sind sie Autoditakt? Können Sie Kunden nennen, die Sie betreuen? Stimmt es, dass durch diese Aktion Mikrosoft bei Ihnen angefragt hat? Was stört Sie an klassischer Werbung? Wie wird ihrer Meinung nach Werbung künftig aussehen? Besten Dank für die Mühe, trotz Erkältung Mit besten Grüssen Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:53:51 +0100 From: Thomas Weber Reply-To: weber.thomas@news.at Organization: News Verlags GesmbH X-Accept-Language: de To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: hinweis hey hans hätt fast vergessen dir mitzuteilen, dass im neuen news (erscheint heute abend) auch eine kurznotiz zum thema voteauction ist... gruss th Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:11:22 +0100 From: Thomas Weber Reply-To: weber.thomas@news.at Organization: News Verlags GesmbH X-Accept-Language: de To: net_CALLBOY Subject: Re: voteauction.com hey hans das mit der vorab-sache tut mir leid habs zweimal via handy versucht, war aber nur mailbox an und es war sehr dringend hab extra kaum zitate verwendet um quote-fehler so weit als möglich auszuschliessen... lieben gruss th wie ist eigtl deine momentane stellung zu etoy die haben sich ziemlich kühl von voteauction distanziert. haszt du eine ahnung warum? net_CALLBOY schrieb: >hi thomas > >wie ich sehe ist der artikel heute raus... > >hab von dir freitag/samstag keine vorversion erhalten. find ich absolut nicht ok, kein guter zusammenarbeits-style... > >wenn zitate rausgehen will ich die in zukunft vorher sehen.. > >gruesse >hans > >ps: ansonsten, artikel ist gut; und das bild ist ja auch ziemlich gut gekommen... > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 03:46:42 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: content X-Priority: 1 (Highest) new content for old. erase data Prepare for Chicago. looking into pgp, will inform. Attachment converted: hans:va100900.zip (pZIP/pZIP) (0000F075)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:40:25 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: Ben White Subject: Re: Illinois Ben White, We have not received any notification from any US authorities. It would not be prudent for us to comment on your first question until we receive an official notification. We went back online around August 25. Hans Bernhard is the current owner of the site. a.) We are currently evaluating the situation with our team of lawyers in the US and in europe, at this moment we can not properly answer this question. What we do know is that we operate in the twilight zone; but we are positive that we can either adapt our business-system or find other solutions in order to run voteauction.com successfully. b.) Is it ethical for political candidates to receive large donations from corporations and then claim that there is no quid-pro-quo when they make policy decisions favorable to those corporations? How is vote-selling different from this? Public Relations Ben White wrote: >Appears the Illinois board of elections requested today that federal and state attorneys shut you guys down in the state. Any comment? When did you go back online? Who currently owns the site? Do you think what you are doing is a.) legal and b.) ethical? > >Ben White >Washington Post >202-334-5543Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 15:47:52 -0400 From: Public Relations Organization: voteauction.com X-Accept-Language: en To: tarker@cin.net Subject: Re: Chicago Board of Elections Mr. Parker, Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. This web site is not a joke - we are very serious about the election industry. This website is not part of a law enforcement sting operation - we would never support such underhanded entrapment tactics. If you represent a news organization and would like to conduct a full interview, please let us know. Public Relations Dave Parker wrote: >The Chicago Board of Elections is reminding voters that selling votes is against both federal and state law. >I have two questions: Is this web site a joke? Is this web site part of a law enforcement sting operation? >I have been reading stories about the web site in newspapers all over the USA. >I find the site to be rather amusing but I guess the feds don't have a sense of humor. >EricDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:03:27 -0400 From: Hans Sandberg Organization: Sandberg Features X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Voteauction.com Hi, I am a Swedish journalist based in the US, and I am trying to find Hans Bernhard for an interview about Voteauction.com. If this is the correct email, please let me know. Sincerely, Hans Sandberg -- ========================================================= ********** Sandberg Features ********** ******** Phone:(609)936-1626 * Fax: (801)991-4609 ******* ********** E-mail: nordic-link@home.com ************* =========================================================Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:19:52 -0400 From: Hans Sandberg Organization: Sandberg Features X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: ubermorgen Subject: Re: Voteauction.com Hi Hans, AP had a story yesterday about Voteauction.com: "The Board of Elections sent letters yesterday to federal and state prosecutors, saying that Voteauction.com should be shut down." I would like to interview you about Voteauction.com. Is it a prank, or do you really believe you can build markets for votes? Are you facilitating political corruption plain and simple? I read in an interview that you have place the server out of reach for the American judicial system, but what about the people trading in votes? Are they not at risk? Sincerely, Hans -- ========================================================= ********** Sandberg Features ********** ********** Hans and Lisa Sandberg ********** ********** Princeton Junction, NJ, USA ************* ******** Phone:(609)936-1626 * Fax: (801)991-4609 ******* ********** E-mail: nordic-link@home.com ************* ========================================================= Clients/Computers & IT-press: ========================================================= Denmark: Alt om Data Politiken/Computer Finland: Mikro PC Tietoviikko Norway: Datatid Sweden: Dagens IT Datateknik Ny Teknik/IT TV8 ========================================================= Clients/Non-IT: ========================================================= Canada: The National Post Denmark: Berlingske Tidende Jyllands-Posten Politiken Finland: Finlands Press Helsingin Sanomat Hufvudstadsbladet Metro Europe Metro Helsinki Suomen Kuvalehti Germany: Allegra Berliner Zeitung Die Tageszeitung Stern Magazine New Zealand: Grocer's Review Norway: Aftenposten Dagspressen Fritt Kjøpmanskap KK Verdens Gang Saudi Arabia: Hia Singapore: Female Sweden: Aftonbladet Fri Köpenskap InPrint/SEBank Pressens Tidning Svenska Dagbladet UK: The Grocer Magazine Morning News US: Metro Philadelphia ========================================================== Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: "Armin Medosch" To: net_CALLBOY Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:40:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Reply-to: armin@easynet.co.uk Priority: normal >ps: grad reingekommen, voteauction.com >official drohung von calif. .gov; letter attached..; a telepolis pre-info.. un- >released bis jetzt.. hi, cool das weiss ich sehr zu schaetzen. ich moechte auch gleich was darueber machen. in welcher form bist du denn eigner von voteauction.com? als privatperson oder ueber eure firma? und wie heisst die firma genau? und vor allem: wie werdet ihr darauf reagieren? ruf mich vielleicht auch an. ich habs grad versucht, aber dein handy ist auf anrufbeantworter. meine nummer 0044 20 7923 88 30 ciao armin from ubermorgen.com >to armin_medosch,, > > >> >>>yeah, liz und ich werden am 18/19.10. und ev. am 23/24.10. in london sein,, LETZZZZ MEET! , sind am time based blah..blahh.. in hull, new director kathy rae huffmann und so.., genau.. root festival.. >>> >>>ciao >>>hans_e >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html >>> Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: VOTEAUCTION .COM CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WOW!!!!! that's fantastic!!! definitely calls for a press release, don't you think? the california secretary of state!! didn't that VIP lady say there should be a congressional hearing? http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: > >dear james > >attached the first official .gov contact, for your information, > >greetZ >hans_e > >--- >Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com >From: "Wood, Bill" >To: "'hans@ubermorgen.com'" Subject: VOTEAUCTION .COM CRIMINAL ACTIVITY Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:37:51 -0700 > ><> > >Mr. Bernhard: > >Please call me at 1(916)653-7635 if you have any questions. > >Sincerely, >William P. Wood >Chief Counsel >California Secretary of State Bill Jones Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:18:29 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin To: net_CALLBOY cc: frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: ,,,var.. + URGENT DATE ADJUSTMENT awesome about voteauction, that's so amazing. can't BELIEVE the secretary of state got so concerned. wow. now for the president to make a comment, clearly deborah philips is right.... we won't be in hull, we're on the program but we won't go in person, they'll just show a video or something, we'll be busy in barcelona (welcome to come down and visit--it's very beautiful). looks like the cils are very adamant about the fee, so now we're trying to reduce it by removing the hotel part of it.... mihgt be able to delay it until after we do the thing, who knows.... wow wow wow again on the voteauction. in the press you sound really fantastically bloodthirsty, it's very nice. onwards!! ray http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources into emotional capital. On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>hi there guys, > >ola ray >ola frank > >will i meet you in hull at the root festival? lizvlx and me will be there from 20-22.10 to give lecture, saw you also in da programm?!?! hope we can meet! > >regarding gatt/cils; any news there? they faxed to me again requesting the registration we already sent them twice,; letter from alice is pÈrfect, just make clear to them that they should place you in the right time [26th???] and waive all fees, cause mister bichlbauer will only come to deliver speech.. > >voteauction.com:: great success, calif. is going nuts, chicago too, austrian and german press is picking it up heavily, massive amount of publications in the last 10 days in da german speaking part of europe, but also england, .. > >etoy, documentation, good to hear that the material is on-level with your quality demands! hope to see it soon! > >ok, looking fwd >greetZ >hans_E > > >>ooh, this money thing is a problem--basically, i think we have to just put them off... if it's possible. >> >>hm, perhaps you could say that mike moore did not say anything about money, and there is no budget--you (bichlbauer) thought you were doing a service to cils by appearing.... maybe see what they say? they will probably say to get a budget from wto. >> >>then if necessary mike moore can talk to them and say that all will be squared away, or, alternately, mike moore can throw a bit of a fit and say MONEY? MONEY? and things like that. >> >>hm.... >> >>so for now, you try delaying them and suggesting there may be a problem up ahead? >> >>ciao >>ray >> >>http://rtmark.com/ >>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >> >>On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >> >>> >>>hi there guys; >>> >>>here lizvlx writing on behalf of hans_E >>> >>>we received a fax yesterday from cils, they want us to very immediately register with them - problem is: money involved. >>> >>>the cost for mr. bichlbauer for taking part in the event is euro 936 ($ 1000). >>> >>>so what do we do? >>> >>>they re pressing now, we should solve this fast. in the meantime, i enquired today >>>again for the correct date when mr. bichlbauer should hold his speech. >>> >>>bestz; >>>lizvlx/hans >>> >>>>hi hans! >>>> >>>>how's tricks? heard your etoy interview is fantastic! can't wait to see it. >>>> >>>>could herr dr. andreas bichlbauer send a fax to the salzburg people and ask them when he is scheduled to speak? and again, i believe only the 26th will work, right? or maybe the 28th too? frank? which? >>>> >>>>i went to cils.org but couldn't see any schedule, it's just the same old registration forms... >>>> >>>>onwards! >>>>ray >>>> >>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>> >>>>On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>hi ray, hi frank >>>>> >>>>>back from berlin, had to take a cab from prague to vienna, cause the train was late and i had a meeting monday morning..hehehe.. thats madness! >>>>> >>>>>otherwise, everything fine, voteauction.com is under control i believe, press.release should go out this or next week.. >>>>> >>>>>for wto/salzburg.. dates, etc.. if i should do something, please tell me.. or can you arrange the dates via email`? >>>>> >>>>>let me know >>>>>hans_e >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>why not the 26th? we can give them the two days: 26th, 28th. >>>see previous >>>>>>note >>>>>> >>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>oops- we shall have to work some magic with out salzburg >>>appointments! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>must be on saturday. This means the salzburg lecture dates for >>>>>bichelbauer >>>>>>>can only be on the 28th, if both ray and frank are to >>>make it there! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>so, perhaps we should send the salzburgers some additional >>>info that mr. >>>>>>>bichelbaure is only available on the 28th... is alice >>>foley available to >>>>>>>confirm the bichelbauer appointment? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>. >>>>>>>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:50:15 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin >>>>>>>cc: frank guerrero Subject: Re: wto/bichlbauer and voteauction.com MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>one more thing hans--could you send the fax out again, and >>>add a note to >>>>>>>it somewhere stating that you are only able to speak on the >>>>>26th or 27th? >>>>>>>that would be terrific. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>onwards! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>At 11:49 AM +0200 9/1/00, La Fiambrera Obrera wrote: >>>>>>>>ey there's a disaster coming!! you say you are leaving >>>>>barcelona 26th to >>>>>>>>28th!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>your lecture was just on the 27th, friday, last day of >>>>>workshop!! and it's >>>>>>>>quite >>>>>>>>important it's like that since yours is the indy media day, >>>>>and it should >>>>>>>>close >>>>>>>>the whole week! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>could you go to salzburg the night of the 27th or morning >>>the 28th?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>aghhh!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>frank guerrero escribiß: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>i believe i am 18 to 28... with a few days away in the >>>26-28 for wto >>>>>>>>>meeting appearance in salzburg- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>At 9:03 PM +0200 8/31/00, Fiambrera Obrera wrote: >>>>>>>>>>which are your dates finally? and maestro rabon's? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>i bought the plane tickets by the web because it was >>>>>cheaper than travel >>>>>>>>>>agents--is it ok that the invoice, if one comes, will only >>>>>have my name? >>>>>>>>>>if not i can make up an invoiceto MACBA.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>tax-free al canut >>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Fiambrera Obrera wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>i've already asked the museum, probably your pueblo fellow >>>>>>>in there will >>>>>>>>>>>know something about that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>sale. jrd >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>From: RTMark admin To: frank guerrero >>>>>>>>>>>Cc: Fiambrera Obrera Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:43 PM Subject: RE: text, captain euro in barcelona >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>oh-oh--maestro jordi, could you somehow see if you can >>>>>obtain such a >>>>>>>>>form, >>>>>>>>>>>there, from the museum? maybe they have gotten one >>>from someone >>>>>>>>>>>already--in that case, we could simply white-out the names, >>>>>>>fill in ours, >>>>>>>>>>>take it to notary publics to get it stamped and all that, >>>>>>>and we're done. >>>>>>>>>>>because here in the u.s. it's very difficult, this sort >>>>>of thing.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>i tried to get one of these tax things before- it was >>>>>a nightmare! i >>>>>>>>>>tried >>>>>>>>>>>>writing to the CIA- no i mane the IRS and even they could >>>>>>>not tell me- >>>>>>>>>>>>well, i get back on that detail- this is a peculiarity of >>>>>>>spainish taz >>>>>>>>>>>>system, we will have to change that with the EU, no ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>paco >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>At 8:33 PM -0400 8/29/00, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>ok now maestro, i am a big grownup and decided just to >>>>>>>buy the ticket >>>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>>>>work out the invoice thing somehow. they will >>>just send me a >>>>>>>>>ticket and >>>>>>>>>>>>>charge my credit card. >>>>>>>>>>>>>and the tax thing i will try to figure out--maybe maestro >>>>>>>rabon knows >>>>>>>>>>>>>about that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>aye maestro dinero, but this invoice i may have to >>>>>>>write up myself, >>>>>>>>>>>okay? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>because since i buy it on the web it will just >>>be to me...??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>ayayay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Fiambrera Obrera wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dear maestro salmon: in between could be >>>nice, 18th, 20th, >>>>>>>>>whenever >>>>>>>>>>>you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>choose it's right! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>remember to get an invoice with the macba name on it, >>>>>>>and now you >>>>>>>>>>are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>a sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of bureaucrat, try to get the fiscal >>>residence certificate! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vale!. jordi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: RTMark admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: Cc: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:15 PM Subject: Re: text, captain euro in barcelona >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>primo, let me know when i should book the arrival >>>>>for--i will >>>>>>>>>leave >>>>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>31st i guess, should i arrive on the 21st, the 16th, or >>>>>>>>>in-between? >>>>>>>>>>>all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the dates are available, and it's all the same to >>>>>me (i teach >>>>>>>>>thurs >>>>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fri so it doesn't matter). salut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>euhhhhh, eet eez certain, i will be in >>>>>tippy-toppy shape when >>>>>>>>>>>arrive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>full >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of fish! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i was wondering if maybe we should arrive a little >>>>>>>bit earlier, >>>>>>>>>>>like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>18th, because we might go to salzburg in >>>>>there--what do you >>>>>>>>>>think? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salmon al canut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 fiambrera@airtel.net wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>go ahead with your salmon attitudes and >>>>>prepare to be hyper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>exploited in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>barcelona, ha ha !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salut. jrd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fiambrera Obrera >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arte Politico y Bromas en General www.sindominio.net/fiambrera >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Mensaje Original ----- De: RTMark admin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fecha: Lunes, Agosto 28, 2000 5:26 pm Asunto: Re: text, captain euro in barcelona >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>well, am i flying with pampered saumon or >>>>>in the baggage >>>>>>>>>hold >>>>>>>>>>>like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paco?what did the money people say? i >>>>>should reserve a >>>>>>>>>ticket >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>today or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tomorrow just to make sure... r >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into >>>emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Fiambrera Obrera wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>well i'll have the meeting with the money >>>>>people today, >>>>>>>>>>>perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paco has to look for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>an extremely cheap ticket, ha ha, he could >>>>>>>help the crew >>>>>>>>>>>loading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and unloading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>luggage, i hear you get a good discount >>>>>like that... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>keep you informed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salut. jrd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RTMark admin escribiþ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you see! it is all very easy with these >>>>>>>airlines, they >>>>>>>>>>>serve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the consumer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fortunately there are different kinds >>>>>of consumer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>another thing about air france is they >>>>>>>don't fill up the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>flights usually, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so it is possible to sleep on the >>>>>11-hour flight and >>>>>>>>>then >>>>>>>>>>i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>arrive ready >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to work immediately! an open-and-plug-in >>>>>>>ramonet! but if >>>>>>>>>>>they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>can't pay, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>maybe i'll just do it anyhow and pay >>>>>difference or >>>>>>>>>>>something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salmon al canut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Turning information resources into >>>>>emotional capital. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, frank guerrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i will eat the turd of ramonet on >>>my flight- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is how the wholesalers save >>>the money- by >>>>>>>>>>recycling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from the air france >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my most delicate primos!! the salmon >>>>>>>must be really >>>>>>>>>>>great >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on that plane!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i'll have a look this monday with >>>>>the museum, your >>>>>>>>>>>pueblo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fellow, john is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>controlling the money and he is >>>>>bloody hard man! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if there's any urgence, ust get it and >>>>>>>we'll see how >>>>>>>>>>we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>manage!!> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will primo paco also need that salmonish >>>>>>>flight? ha >>>>>>>>>>ha!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RTMark admin escribiþ: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ep padre primo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i'm just looking at plane tickets for >>>>>>>>>barcelona, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there's an air france >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>flight from lax for $935, it's a bit >>>>>>>more expensive >>>>>>>>>>>than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>delta, which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a horrible airline, and i am a >>>very delicate >>>>>>>>>ramonet >>>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course, i must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have my in-flight cornichon >>>and saumon and >>>>>>>>>>>epaulette... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so maybe we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cover the difference if it sounds like >>>>>>>it would be >>>>>>>>>>too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>much...> > > >> was thinking of coming oct. >>>>>21-31, and >>>>>>>>>>there's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this thing in salzburg, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't remember if i told you, oct. >>>>>26-29 (maybe >>>>>>>>>only >>>>>>>>>>>one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>day), that paco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and i are invited to, as >>>>>representatives of the >>>>>>>>>>world >>>>>>>>>>>trade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>organization.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just spent a moment with the director >>>>>>>of the museum >>>>>>>>>>>here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>he worked at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>macba for a while and said that one >>>>>>>Leopoldo Rolles >>>>>>>>>>is >>>>>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>very nice man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>("good guy"), he is on macba board of >>>>>>>directors or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>something. also john >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>zvereff, a fellow from our >>>pueblo, u.s.a. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cornichon al canut r >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/ Turning information resources >>>into emotional >>>>>>>>>>capital. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, RTMark admin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paco and i must talk about >>>>>barcelona and >>>>>>>>>what >>>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do, but i think an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anti-siesta campaign by >>>>>captain euro could >>>>>>>>>>make >>>>>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>really funny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>work well in one-minute >>>>>segments. we could >>>>>>>>>>just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>assemble the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>one-minute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>things recorded by the >>>street cameras >>>>>>>>>into the >>>>>>>>>>>full >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>video, and it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tell itself.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that might go, as long as you >>>>>>>keep in mind >>>>>>>>>>>what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the whole thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about, we are trying to >>>get autonomous >>>>>>>>>political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>activists into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diverse ways >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of thinking and performing >>>>>their political >>>>>>>>>>>actions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all your stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>illustrative of thos diverse ways, >>>>>>>so without >>>>>>>>>>>losing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your frame of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mind you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will have to try to be a >>>>>bit...didactical >>>>>>>>>(ha ha >>>>>>>>>>>ha), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which anyway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you'll be doing the restof the >>>>>>>year, you bloody >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>teachers!!> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that's right! so it will be natural. >>>>>>>but yes, we >>>>>>>>>>>must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>always be keeping in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mind how this will illustrate.... >>>>>>>maybe trying to >>>>>>>>>>>get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people involved.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we could mount several >>>infiltrations or >>>>>>>>>something, >>>>>>>>>>>with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>various people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>doing them? pretending to be >>>>>various others? >>>>>>>>>>hm.... >>>>>>>>>>>paco? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i wonder if the captain euro >>>>>>>video should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>translated into spanish, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with subtitles? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yeah!! it should, if you dah >>>>>>>the script i >>>>>>>>>>>would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>translate it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>quickly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and we could use the local tv >>>>>>>peeopl to add the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>subtitles if you are too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>busy (ehem ehm!!) really!! we >>>>>>>should try that >>>>>>>>>>>local >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tv option! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>By the way, have you got the >>>>>barbies'video >>>>>>>>>>script, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>big rabon primo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gave me a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>copy of that tape, but i'd rather >>>>>>>work with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>script...otherwise i can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>invent the whole thing, jiu jiu... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>oh, there is no script, there is no >>>>>>>script--only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/the_yes_men/, the video >>>>>>>>>>>itself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(i can also send >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you a nice fresh copy, but ntsc only). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i still need to put the >>>subtitles on >>>>>>>>>bringing >>>>>>>>>>>it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to you, i have all i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need, now all i need is time.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tiempo al canut! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it's not a bad option, by the way, >>>>>>>did i tell >>>>>>>>>>you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that both of you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>primos-tios by january 30th?? >>>>>>>mercedes is sort >>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>having a baby by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then, do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you wanna be the "padrinos"? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WOW!! yes, we want to be the >>>>>padrinazos! oh my >>>>>>>>>>god. >>>>>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>baby. jordietet? or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will he be part castellano, >>>so jordietito? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>forsa al canut, obviously. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and how!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trastorno al canut r >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>-------------------------- >>>>>>>>equipo fiambrera >>>>>>>>arte politico y bromas en general http://www.lanzadera.com/mortadela >>>>>>>>-------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>> >>>>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>> >>>>>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! >>>>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >>>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html >>> > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html > Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: moni@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:53:57 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: ubermoni Subject: gespraech mit marita vogel - artikel hi hans, marita vogel sucht einen artikel - hat aber keine ahnung wo er erschienen ist. nach recherche glaube ich das es folgender artikel ist (im attachment beigefuegt) weiters bittet sie dich um ruechkruf unter der nr: 0049 4041313826 betreff: voteauction.com - illinois zahnweh ade moni Attachment converted: hans:8654.html (TEXT/MSIE) (0000F771) -- . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-6148108. . . .ema moni@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 92010402 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere!Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: moni@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:33:24 +0200 To: mvogel@net_business.de From: ubermoni Subject: artikel von ubermorgen Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com s.g. frau marita vogel, im attachment finden sie den besagten artikel. hr. bernhard wird sie in kuerze zurueckrufen. mfg monika hausharter Attachment converted: hans:8654.html 1 (TEXT/MSIE) (0000F80D) -- . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-6148108. . . .ema moni@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 92010402 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Authentication-Warning: cortez.sss.rpi.edu: baumgj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:48:18 -0400 (EDT) From: James M Baumgartner X-Sender: baumgj@cortez.sss.rpi.edu To: hans@ubermorgen.com Hans, I think it would be best for you to replace index page with some sort of "temporarily down" statement. I am busy all day today but will be reachable by mobile, I was in the basement when you called earlier. JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com X-Sender: ubermorgen@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:27:03 +0200 To: hans@ubermorgen.com From: ubermorgen Subject: Fwd: voteauction.com, part 2 Delivered-To: ubermorgen@ubermorgen.com From: "Chris Holmes" To: Subject: voteauction.com, part 2 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:21:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 One other thought - If Mr. Bernhard might be available for a phone interview, I am available at the following telephone numbers in the U.S.: (334) 284-5276 (WSFA Assignment Desk) (334) 613-8219 (direct to my desk) Thank you again for your help. Christopher Holmes, Reporter, WSFA-TV -- . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-6148108. . . .ema moni@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 92010402 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! Delivered-To: ubermorgen@ubermorgen.com From: "Chris Holmes" To: Subject: voteauction.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:16:33 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mr. Bernhard, I am a television reporter in Montgomery, Alabama, USA.  I am interested in setting up an interview via the web if you have either dialpad.com or Webmeeting or video connections. I'm interested in why you chose to purchase the site, and what your goals are - and if you're still working with Mr. Baumgartner. It is currently 10:15 a.m. and we are on Central Standard Time in the U.S. Please let me know if this is possible. Sincerely, Christopher Holmes, WSFA-TV, Montgomery, AL, USA Delivered-To: ubermorgen@ubermorgen.com From: "Chris Holmes" To: Subject: voteauction.com, part 2 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:21:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 One other thought - If Mr. Bernhard might be available for a phone interview, I am available at the following telephone numbers in the U.S.: (334) 284-5276 (WSFA Assignment Desk) (334) 613-8219 (direct to my desk) Thank you again for your help. Christopher Holmes, Reporter, WSFA-TV