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yup, there is one

actually, it was not even internic, who
turned us off, (well, that was clear
there has been no internic anymore for
some time, but actually, there still
is it's just called dns root file)

the people that turned us off were the
guys from CORE, a meta-registry (well,
nobody knows what they really are)
located in geneva. - tehy received
an email and turned us off because
of that - AN EMAIL!!!

well, we already wrote them a bigggg,
threatening letter, telling them that
we are gonna sue them by monday, if not.. 

but i'll attach the press release anyyway below.

best
lizvlx


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From: "[V]ote-auction PR" <pr@[62.116.31.68]> Subject: Vote-auction falls victim to ILLEGAL DNS-SHUTDOWN [PRESS RELEASE] 



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

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Vote-auction falls victim to ILLEGAL DNS-SHUTDOWN 

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Vienna/Berlin, November 2nd, 2000, 7 am CET 

Below you find the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: http://62.116.31.68
http://www.voteauction.at
http://www.voteauction.de

[formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. 

You can also find this press release at
http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm

For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines:

berlin +49-175-2066954
vienna +43 676 9300061

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[V] Vote-auction falls victim to ILLEGAL DNS-SHUTDOWN 

[V]ote-auction, the only platform worldwide allowing end-consumers to take part in the U.S. election industry [formerly called "soft money"], falls again victim to a repressive campaign against free speech. 

Yesterday, 1st of November 2000, the domain Vote-auction.com got illegally shut down by InterNIC. InterNIC is the central institution located in the U.S. where all domain name service records for the .com/.net/.org are stored. We, and neither our providers have received any notification about this action at all, nor have we been informed of any legal documents which would allow for such a step. Up to this moment, InterNIC is declining comment on the issue.


[V] Why was the domain shut down in this way? 

Our first domain, voteauction.com, was registered with a dns-registry located in the U.S. Our "late" domain, vote-auction.com, however, was registered via a company located in Germany, i.e. outside of U.S. jurisdiction. This is why, appearantly, some-one in the U.S., probably parties from the Chicago law suit where vote-auction.com is named as a defendant, decided to just forget about legal proceedings, and went directly to InterNIC, ignoring inter- national law.


[V] What will happen to [V]ote-auction now? 

Our lawyers are currently investigating, as you might imagine. Furthermore, we have discussed the issue with newly-elect ICANN board director Andy Mueller-Maguhn, who commented the issue with "I guess, we will have to do something about this". A colleague of his called it "it is absolutely clear that this is plain outrageous". 

On a more practical level, we are reachable via our IP - our new url is: http://62.116.31.68 

Using the IP address will finally give us full protection against any further actions against our site, as IP addresses are not dependant on domain name services. 

Luckily, this DNS-SHUTDOWN was not intelligentely timed. Due to our "opponents'" lazy tactics, Vote-auction.com will now definitely be online and reachable to the public on Election Day via several domains and under the IP-Address controlled by a european institution: ripe.net. 

On a funny note, one could say that now they either have to shut down the whole Internet or arrest the whole US- population, OR, which is more likely, our site will stay functional and online.


[V] [V]ote-auction is BACK UNDER

Thanks to the incredible work of our dear provider SILVER SERVER [www.sil.at], we were able to get back online fast and are now reachable at: http://62.116.31.68 This is the safest address currently available. 

Vote-auction can also be reached under: http://voteauction.enemy.org 

Vote-auction has issued a free speech support campaign in order to gather hundreds of vote-auction and voteauction domains or install sub-domains all pointing to: http://62.116.31.68

From November, 2nd, the following domains shall be active: http://www.voteauction.at [Austrian domain] http://www.voteauction.de [Germany, thx to think-factory.de] http://www.voteauction.cu [Cuban domain] http://www.voteauction.ru [Russian domain] http://www.vote-auction.net
http://www.vote-auction.org



[V] Vote-auction.com ADDS NEW FEATURES

Now to some really good news!

Vote-auction, still the "Leader of the Election Industry", and the first mover in this field, has added various new features:

[] Updated figures, automated processes
Our new software has allowed us to verify the numbers which have been in the system so far. We have cleared out all double and fake entries and can now provide you with live, real-time rendered data:
http://62.116.31.68/check.php3

*current no. of sellers: 56.789


[] International polls
In order to showcase the US-presidential election even better, Vote-auction has released several polls for national and international audiences.
Vote-auction intends to involve a worldwide audience by polling their preferences on "Gore-Bush-Nader", a community poll will raise the Question whether Vote-auction.com should be considered "legal or Illegal", and the most important question of all - "Would you rather go voting if you received money for it?". Find the polls at: http://62.116.31.68/index00.htm


[] 1-CLICK-BIDDING function
In order to use our bidding section we have implemented a 1-click-bidding function with user-verification. This will help ensuring the authenticity of the bidders and will secure the bidders' offer. Find the bid-check section: http://62.116.31.68/check.php3


[] ALL NEW MESSAGE-BOARD, heavily crowded Created to stimulate public reaction from the U.S., but also the international audiences, you will now find our message board crowded and full with interesting and controversial discussions:
http://62.116.31.68/forum/


[] Extended PRESS-ARCHIVE, over 200 internat. news-segments Due to the massive response in the media, we have updated our press-section providing you with broad information on how Vote-auction is featured and discussed in the press. Well over 200 e-press-clippings have been discovered by our PR-department:
http://62.116.31.68/news.htm

[V] Final note

We want to end this press release with a quote from chief counsel to the California secretary of state, Bill Jones, who seems to have a somewhat "personal" view on free speech:

"whether this is a parody [...] that this man is 
running, it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in California. [...] because you are talking about the corruption of the voting process."

Source: CNN, "Burden of Proof", Oct 24 2000 http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram 

Appearantely, there are other individuals and/or authorities, who share his viewpoint. We have just received notice of further lawsuits filed in the states of Wisconsin and Missouri by their respective Attorney Generals.


For the Vote-auction team:

lizvlx
[V]ote-auction PR



PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: 

pr@[62.116.31.68]
http://62.116.31.68
http://www.voteauction.at


We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of the old addresses. Thank you.


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hi liz,

did you post a press-release anywhere about the internic event last night?


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To: Alexander Svensson <svensson@icannchannel.de> From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Vote-auction-Domainloeschung Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com

na das sind ja interessante verstrickungen, immer wieder das gleiche, jaja...

meine anwaeltin fragt sich immer mehr, was denn jetzt was waere, und ob die CORE jetzt eine firma oder ein dachverband oder einfach ein witz sei...

jedenfalls, wenn du da noch weitere nuews hast, keep me posted...always interested to learn more.

naja, und sonst haben wir ja jetzt
voteauction.at und da unser provider
ca. 10% aller in .at reg. domains
kauft, wuerden die sich ordentliche
probleme machen, wenn sie es einfach
abdrehen.

aber wir haben den CORE jetzt schon einen crohbrief mit klagsandrohung gefaxt und
wenn sie uns nicht bis mo 12.00 freischalten, dann klagen wir sie.

ich weiss langssam echt nicht mehr was
das sein soll, rechtssicherheit - jetzt haben wir schon us, de, ch, at und icann recht. 

habe die ehre...

best
lizvlx


Hallo nochmals!

sie berufen sich auf den erhalt einer
email aus missouri, wo sie als beklagter in einer zivilklage genannt werden, bzw. es zu dieser klagge auch eine einstweilige verfuegung gaebe (welche wir bis dato
nicht erhalten haben).
...sie haben ja auch nur eine email
bekommen....

Auf Grundlage einer *E-Mail* schalten die Domains ab?!? (Da kŠme man ja fast auf bšse Gedanken.) 

jedenfalls, sie sagen sie waeren massiv unter druck, dass sie um leib und seele ihrer
mitglieder in den u.s.a. fuerchten. sie
begruenden ihre vorgangsweise durch die
gravity unseres cases....

FŸr die Seele ist es schon zu spŠt.

†brigens *!* freut sich CORE bestimmt nicht Ÿber schlechte Schlagzeilen vor dem ICANN-Treffen. CORE mšchte nŠmlich Ÿberall dabei sein:
-- Alleiniger Antragsteller fŸr .nom,
-- Antragstellergruppe fŸr .info/.site/.web -- technischer Betreiber fŸr .health (WHO), 
.museum, .post (UPU)
CORE-Vorsitzender Ken Stubbs ist zugleich Mitglied des ICANN-DNSO-Names Council, und deswegen gibt es schon Kritik genug.
Insofern kommt die Vote-Auction-Entscheidung zu einem fŸr die sehr ungŸnstigen Zeitpunkt. 

Noch ein †brigens: Einer der sieben Leute im CORE Executive Committee ist Hal Lubsen, der Chef von Domain Bank.

jedenfalls, sie tun mir ja leid, dass sie da einfach so zum handkuss kommen, aber
wahrscheinlich werden wir einfach gegen- klagen.

Bonne chance!
/// Alexander

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From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Renew [vote-auction.com:2001-10-18] @ JOKER.COM Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com


hi da auch

ich weiss jetzt nicht ob ich wirklich renewen koennte, da die domain vote-auction.com ja von CORENIC gesperrt wurde.

heisst das das die domain momentan noch immer sozusagen untouchable ist, oder koennen wir sie trotzdem moven?

beste gruesse
liz haas

Dear customer and/or domainholder,

these notice is to announce that your domain 

vote-auction.com

is due to be renewed.

expiration date:2001-10-18

Beginning Thursday, Jan. 4 2001 our usual Web-Interface at 

https://core.joker.com

will have an additional entry "Renewal of a domain" which will allow you to make the payment for the renewal of your domain(s) using credit-cards. Please be aware that without renewal your domain(s) will be deactivated at expiration date, You can find the expiration date using our whois-service at joker.com too. 

Until now registrations in com - net - org domains made at CSL / joker.com were done through CORE as ICANN accredited registrar ( CORE is showing in the whois as registrar ) 

CSL / joker.com as one of the most successful registrars is also ICANN accredited registrar and will begin to register directly, not longer using the services of CORE
( the whois will show CSL as registrar ). The intention is 
- to improve our services for you and
be able to offer the new TLD in 2001 in
- a effective way and for
- a reasonable price to you.

Because CSL is now an accredited registrar, we are offering a special renewal service. You may renew registration of your domain name and transfer it from CORE to CSL as registrar at the same time. You will continue to be an customer of CSL / joker.com. Service and info@joker.com will be available as in the past, and you won't have to worry about additional administrative matters. There is no charge for the transfer to CSL. 

To make the process simple we have added wording to the renewal-request that you agree to the transfer from CORE to CSL. 

You may transfer the registration to another registrar if you wish, but if you do so you will have to make arrangements for transfer and renewal on your own, and you will not be able to renew with CSL. 

We hope you will follow our recommendations and continue to be a customer of CSL / joker.com."

We advise you to make the renewal ASAP, at least 1 week before expirationdate 2001-10-18. 


Please read our FAQ:	https://core.joker.com/domain/faq/faq.html
Favoured: use the "FAQ"-link of our OLD homepage https://core.joker.com/ . 

In the renew-section we have provided some additional "Info about differences between the old and the new Joker-interface. 
(recommended reading to avoid irritations after a successful renewal)". 

with the best wishes

Siegfried Langenbach
joker-team

NOTE: this Mails is send only to the account Holder. 

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