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Posted by timothy on Tuesday August 22, @07:20PM from the welcome-back-ms.-lee dept. Ah, there you are! You must have come to hear the details about selling your vote online? No, perhaps then you'd like to know what LinuxWorld thought was coolest at LWCE, or what words ESR has added to the infamous Jargon File. All below, folks, all below. Good thing politicians are in such strong ethical trim. In case you were thinking of selling your vote (early and often) in the next national election, it seems that there are legal barriers. Sort of like at least certain other activities which are legal if you do them for fun, but illegal if you take cash, the lawmakers seem to like the prostitution on their side of the castle wall. Or do they always vote their consciences? GMontag writes: "This Wired story tells how Voteauction.com has shut itself down after public pressure and threats from various bureaucrats. A telling quote by Doug Kellner, a Manhattan representative on the New York City Board of Elections: 'The message to get out to the public is that posting (intent to sell votes) to a website even in jest is a serious matter. It could subject you to prosecution, or in New York you could forfeit your vote,' Kellner said, referring to a New York state law that imposes a one-year forfeiture on vote buyers and sellers. So, this is more political speech that is 'illegal'? So far, it has been nothing but a discussion of vote auctioning and a college paper. Amazing that the bureaucrats what to 'do something' about this, but rounding up car thieves keeps 'slipping through the cracks.'" Note to non-U.S. citizens: since this law probably doesn't apply to you, feel free to sell your votes online. Radio Radio it's a sad salvation. wodelltech writes "With regard to the recent VMSK article/comments, readers might find the announcement at http://ibiquitydigital.com interesting." Basically, this is an announcement of the merger of Lucent Digital Radio (which, little did I know, is just a few miles from my present dwelling) and USA Digital Radio, which sounds like an interesting step toward better choices in local radio. (Can't someone please give me good talk, all day?) Here's a snippet: Today, radio in the United States is broadcast using analog signals. iBiquity Digital will enable broadcasters to send a digital signal, capable of containing CD-quality audio with crystal clear reception and additional wireless data for a variety of consumer applications such as station and program content, stock and news information, local traffic and weather, and much more, over existing radio frequencies, without denigrating transmission of current analog programming. But is there a downloadable palm module? A Klingon translation? Anomie-ous Cow-ard writes "The ever-popular Jargon File has been updated to version 4.2.2." So if you want to correctly use terms like "smoot," "ANSI standard pizza," and "dirty genitals," make sure to arm yourself with ESR's help. And you can look at the file's change log here. Buzzword compliance is certainly a mission-critical optimization ... Captain_Carnage writes "The LinuxWorld website has an article about itstop five productstoday. Featured are a rollable rubber keyboard from Broumand (only an e-mail address given), a user resource allocation/accounting tool from Aurema, an IDE-based RAID card from 3ware, a Linux-based router/VPN box from Linux Wizardry, and a High-Availability clustering product from Mission Critical Linux." These all seem like cool products, but slashdot readers have known about the rubber keyboard for months. As for the others, any other nominations for the coolest products recently released? If the field is open, I have to say the pneumatic chair at the Loki booth, even if it isn't yet available and will cost 5 or 10 grand, and Slackware folding frisbees. < Amiga Allies With Red Hat | Is UNIX An OS? > |  |
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Re:Today's Freshmeat! (Score:1) by pb (pdbaylie@eos.ncsu.edu) on Tuesday August 22, @03:08PM (#835788) (User #1020 Info | http://www4.ncsu.edu/~pdbaylie)
Wow; you've taken Freshmeat crossposting to a new level! ...but... isn't there a web site for that? :) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Jargon File Update.... (Score:1) by Rombuu (rombuu@yahoo.com) on Tuesday August 22, @03:55PM (#835789) (User #22914 Info)
Wow! One whole entry! How does ESR find the time to do this and, well, whatever the hell else he does?
Sure there is (Score:1) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 22, @03:12PM (#835790)
It's right here. It was added a couple years ago, IIRC. "Dirty genitals" on the other hand....
AFK finally added? (Score:1) by Waylo on Tuesday August 22, @03:59PM (#835791) (User #224865 Info)
Back in the late 80's when I and some friends used to hang out and make trouble on multi-line 'Chat' BBSes, we would sometimes just start typing out messages like 'SRH' once in awhile. Generally it was to make fun of the people who would type 'AFK' in the open. Our point was almost always who gives a fsck if you're away from your &$@*$ keyboard, idiot!. SRH, of course, stands for Staying Right Here. Proper usage is to alternate your SRHs with AKs. (At Keyboard). Yes, we were annoying little pisses at times.
Re:votebroker.com is still available (Score:1) by Ranger Rick (ranger+Slashdot@befu[ ]om ['nk.c' in gap]) on Tuesday August 22, @04:03PM (#835792) (User #197 Info | http://radio.scenespot.org/)
Don't forgot dhmo.org. :wq!
Re:Selling your vote is harmful to democracy (Score:2) by Russ Nelson on Tuesday August 22, @06:38PM (#835793) (User #33911 Info | http://russnelson.com/)
You silly fool. Most people don't vote because one vote doesn't make a difference. Well, this vote-aggregation scheme is a way to create a vote that *matters*. And the value of that vote is transferred to the voter, by virtue of its being auctioned off. Instead, you would have people waste the value of their vote, by not voting. -russ
Re:votebroker.com is still available (Score:1) by jesser on Tuesday August 22, @04:10PM (#835794) (User #77961 Info | http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/)
are you sure that article was intended to be humorous?
Re:AFK finally added? (Score:1) by Black Parrot on Tuesday August 22, @06:58PM (#835795) (User #19622 Info)
So, does AFAIK mean "Away From Apple iMac Keyboard" ? --
Re:No entry for slashdot effect yet... (Score:1) by Ravagin on Tuesday August 22, @04:11PM (#835796) (User #100668 Info | http://mbhs.edu/~jhowley/)
As for the downloadable Palm module, IIRC the Jargon File isn't much more than 5 MB total, so it's theoretically possible on a higher-end model. Is there any sort of text reader thingy that does on-the-fly compression/expansion, or is the Palm not powerful enough yet for such a program? Harrumph. It most certainly is powerful enough; what you are referring to is the DOC format, which is a compressed text format for Palm use. There are tons of readers (CSpotRun is a good free one, and methinks it's open under the GNU GPL), and a few editors. I don't know what the compression rate is for DOC, so I'm not sure whether you could get the File down to a friendly size (my IIIxe has 8 megs of RAM, but a great deal of that is taken up with a ditionary and various documents, so no room for a 5 meg Jargon File). There are other formats as well (iSilo comes to mind), which might be more appropriate to the File's format. -J
Radio (Score:2) by Chris Johnson on Tuesday August 22, @04:26PM (#835797) (User #580 Info | http://www.airwindows.com)
o/` is cleanin' up the nation... o/` (_nobody_ else STR?)
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:2) by Kris_J (Kris_Johnson@yahoo.com) on Tuesday August 22, @07:41PM (#835798) (User #10111 Info | http://krisjohn.cjb.net/ | Last Journal: Monday October 08, @04:25AM)
It is also wrong because it is the responsibility of each voter to not use his vote selfishly, but to try to benefit the community Ex-squeeze me? Where is that writ in stone, or even implied? I thought Democracy was all about everyone using their vote selfishly and the majority getting their way. Anyway, it can be argued that there's no such thing as a selfless act -- I know that everything I do "for the greater good" is a calculated attempt to make my life better (I just try not to do things to the detriment of others, but even that is just so they don't bother me).
Re:Karma Whore! (Score:2) by Demona on Tuesday August 22, @07:44PM (#835799) (User #7994 Info | http://frogfarm.org/dj/)
I wish that Signal 11 would die, just so you people would shut your whiney little yaps. The biggest reason to get rid of Karma would be the cessation of your endless bitching.
Rollable Keyboard (Score:1) by DigitalDragon on Tuesday August 22, @07:46PM (#835800) (User #194314 Info | http://www.letor.com)
Link
Linux Wizardry (Score:1) by xee (xee@NOSPAM.trapezoid.com) on Tuesday August 22, @07:50PM (#835801) (User #128376 Info)
Anyone know what it's running to do the routing beyond what's done by `route` and `ipchains` (stuff like BGP)??? -------
Digital Radio (Score:2) by EnglishTim on Tuesday August 22, @08:14PM (#835802) (User #9662 Info | http://www.planettimmy.com/)
We've had digital radio here in the UK for about 4 years now - the BBC transmits all of it's radio programs in digital as well as analogue, and several of the larger commercial stations do as well. The big problem is that the receivers are still prohibitavely expensive (I think they're still around £600 or so), which is an awful lot to pay to get radio broadcasts with only slightly better quality than those you can gt on a £20 analogue receiver. When it was first launched, there were only 150 receivers in existance, one of which resided in Buckingham Palace...
Re:No entry for slashdot effect yet... (Score:1) by Paul Bristow on Tuesday August 22, @08:35PM (#835803) (User #118584 Info | http://paulbristow.net)
iSilo brings it down to 0.99MB, which fits handily on an 8M palm :-)
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:1) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 22, @08:48PM (#835804)
I thought Democracy was all about everyone using their vote selfishly and the majority getting their way. Well, it is not written in stone that people have a civic duty, but people acting purely selfishly tends to result in unstable government. Arguing from extremes, you can easily see that it would always be advantageous for 51% of the population to oppress the rest. "In a society under the forms of which the stronger faction can readily unite and oppress the weaker, anarchy may as truly be said to reign as in a state of nature, where the weaker individual is not secured against the violence of the stronger;" (Federalist LI, paragraph 10, Hamilton or Madison) In the United States this is avoided by the various checks and balances in the system of the Federal Republic. The most important check to this purpose is the fragmenting of authority between the states and the federal government. But if votes are for sale, it is too easy to set up a self-perpetuating system, in which officeholders enrich themselves and then pay off enough people to get their gang reelected. This is how the political bosses of the 20's and 30's operated. It can be argued that the Republicans try a similar scheme when they promise tax breaks to their voters. But imagine if they could give tax breaks selectively, only to the people who helped them get re-elected! That would be pretty fucked up.
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:1) by jareds on Tuesday August 22, @10:15PM (#835805) (User #100340 Info)
But imagine if they could give tax breaks selectively, only to the people who helped them get re-elected! That would be pretty fucked up. Yeah, it's a good thing that politicians never enact tax breaks or subsidies that selectively benefit groups that donated to their campaigns!
ANSI-standard pizza (Score:1) by pb (pdbaylie@eos.ncsu.edu) on Tuesday August 22, @03:13PM (#835806) (User #1020 Info | http://www4.ncsu.edu/~pdbaylie)
Did gorski get a suggestion in? 'cause he's the *only* person I've heard use that term. (other geeks from elsewhere chime in: where did you hear this one? I've always heard of it being a pizza decided upon by a group, compromised on by everyone and palatable by no-one...) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Okay, then I'll sell *access* to this voter (Score:1) by cryptwhomp (riverrat@@@hushmail...com) on Tuesday August 22, @03:18PM (#835807) (User #16138 Info | http://www.mrcranky.com/)
Would that make it okay, sweetie??
Re:Those 3ware cards are such a crock . . (Score:2) by leiz (leiz@nospam.juno.com.please) on Tuesday August 22, @04:35PM (#835808) (User #35205 Info)
$400 is rather expensive for an IDE raid controller, but getting a few cheap IDE hard drives quickly makes up for the price of the controller. Comparing scsi hard drive prices with ide hard drive prices, an 18 gig 7200 rpm scsi hd costs ~$300 while a 20 gig 7200 rpm ide hd costs ~$150. with a 4 drive raid configuration, the IDE raid system costs (4x150)+400=$1000 while the SCSI raid system costs (4x300)+115=$1335. so when it comes to prices, IDE is still cheaper than scsi. However, a dual channel UW scsi can have up to 30 devices on it and it uses less irqs compared to the ide raid controller which can only support 4 devices. OTOH, putting 15 hard drives on an UW scsi channel will saturate the 40 Mb/s bandwidth pretty quickly.... Zetetic Seeking; proceeding by inquiry. Elench A specious but fallacious argument; a sophism.
Re:Today's Freshmeat! (Score:1) by TRoLLHaXoR on Tuesday August 22, @03:19PM (#835809) (User #206564 Info)
...but... isn't there a web site for that? :) Sir, I kindly ask you to direct me to this site that you speak of.
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:2) by Kris_J (Kris_Johnson@yahoo.com) on Tuesday August 22, @04:35PM (#835810) (User #10111 Info | http://krisjohn.cjb.net/ | Last Journal: Monday October 08, @04:25AM)
but corruption at one level is a damn childish excuse for condoning it at another. I still haven't worked out how openly selling your vote in a public forum is "corruption". If you are an elected offical who promises one thing before being elected, then does the opposite once in office because you've been quietly paid a large amount of money, that's corruption -- but nobody's yet joined the dots for me on how voteauction.com was "corruption", morally ambigious sure, but not "corruption". I used to know a great word for abusing a bad set of rules, umm, degenerate I think. A game with bad rules "degenerates", it doesn't corrupt. It simply becomes something pointless that no one (with morals) wants to play. Sound familiar?
Re:RAID on Linux (Score:1) by GigsVT (SeeMyProfile@slashdot.org) on Tuesday August 22, @04:56PM (#835811) (User #208848 Info | http://www.freelinuxcd.org)
3ware seems to have a good product, but has anyone been able to get the Promise IDE RAID controllers to work on linux? put 2 of those and a slew of IBM's 10K rpm drives and you'll have a kickass box... I beat you to it. I don't want to give everything away, since I am thinking about submitting a web page featuring it to /., but we built a 390 Gigabyte (usable space) RAID5 server for around $3000, using eight 60 Gig Maxtor IDE drives (5400 RPM), and Red Hat 6.2. This was using the onboard IDE with a Promise IDE, both UDMA66. The performance is no so great, but it's big and cheap and that was our goal. The performance bottleneck is because we used two devices per IDE channel. It took about a day to fill it up with files over NFS. I think we got something like 2-3 megs per second. It took a kernel upgrade via RPM, and some other tweaking to get it to work right, but it wasn't too hard. I hear the 2.4 kernel has full support, but we got it running on 2.2, with the patch. -----------------------------
UK digital radio (Score:1) by ai731 (ai731@ibidpress.demon.co.uk) on Tuesday August 22, @10:25PM (#835812) (User #36146 Info)
For good talk all day try www.oneword.co.uk, a spoken word digital radio station that is "exclusively dedicated to the transmission of plays, books,comedy and reviews." The content is currently a little 'classic novel' heavy, for example today's playlist inlcudes Hard Times by Charles Dickens and Jude the Obscure by Thomas Hardy, but there are also interviews and non-fiction readings. And if Thomas Hardy isn't your cup of tea, try one of the five other digital rasio stations currently available in the UK, and listed on www.ukdigitalradio.com. cheers, ai731 --
Re:RAID on Linux (Score:1) by GigsVT (SeeMyProfile@slashdot.org) on Tuesday August 22, @04:58PM (#835813) (User #208848 Info | http://www.freelinuxcd.org)
doh, I forgot to mention, we didn't use the Promise hardware RAID, we used the linux software RAID to get RAID5 and to use the onboard controller. -----------------------------
Re:Evil word (Score:1) by Captain_Carnage (captain_carnage@hotmail.com) on Tuesday August 22, @05:12PM (#835814) (User #4901 Info)
Heehee... I was going to say "High-Availability Clustering solution" but opted for "product" instead, so as not to give anyone BINGO! (as in, buzzword bingo) =8^) -Captain Carnage (and yeah, I work for Mission Critical Linux) -- Check out the OSS linux clustering technology called
Re:Radio (Score:3) by Leghorn (leghorn@hosemore.net) on Wednesday August 23, @12:37AM (#835815) (User #44886 Info)
Not only does the IBOC system degrade the analog signal, it also does not provide CD quality, and USADR's own people admit it. I attended a seminar at the 1999 NAB convention where this was discussed. The USADR system provides 32kHz sample rate audio. This is no better than the existing analog system. Digital stations will be processed just as heavily as analog ones, so they'll still sound like a punching bag. In addition, the analog system cannot be turned off because the digital stream takes SEVERAL SECONDS to lock when you change stations. So when you punch the button to the next station on your car radio, the radio has to switch back to analog mode (so you have to delay the analog signal to match...) until the decoder locks up. Eureka does not have this problem since everything comes out one data stream. IBOC is a piece of crap. No one thought of how IBOC's five second delay affects how you run a radio station. How do you monitor off-air when the signal is delayed five seconds? How do you do a remote broadcast when you can't put the radio station on the PA system because it's five seconds delayed? IBOC sucks, but it does one thing: It keeps the existing broadcasters in power. Corporations win, listeners lose. God Bless America!
33 million Americans disagree with you (Score:2) by Rupert on Wednesday August 23, @02:55AM (#835816) (User #28001 Info | Last Journal: Monday August 27, @04:14PM)
Why else would they vote Republican? --
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:2) by CentrX (hagar at myrealbox com) on Tuesday August 22, @05:32PM (#835817) (User #50629 Info)
The point is, why would it be illegal to TALK about selling votes and in jest. And if it is illegal it really shouldn't be. Also, the point is that it's the same people who do take bribes to do various things in the government for large corporations, which is corruption. In addition, I really think that politicians should have better things to do than crack down on people TALKing about selling votes in jest, such as, say, cracking down on massive crack peddling and murders. Or would you say that this is more important than that? Chris Hagar
Re:No entry for slashdot effect yet... (Score:1) by Ravagin on Wednesday August 23, @04:14AM (#835818) (User #100668 Info | http://mbhs.edu/~jhowley/)
Hmm... you got a copy of that I could have? ;) iSilo works with hypertext, right? Or am I delusional? -J
I'm sooo confused (Score:1) by davonds on Wednesday August 23, @04:32AM (#835819) (User #196851 Info)
So what your saying is, in New York, I can buy a politician, but I can't sell my vote?
Fraid so :( (Score:1) by timothy on Wednesday August 23, @06:39AM (#835820) (User #36799 Info | http://www.monkey.org/~timothy/ | Last Journal: Sunday October 21, @10:15AM)
thanks for spotting it, or I might not have noticed ... forest for trees sort of thing. Here's what happened, if you're interested :) When I build a Slashback, I usually start with one submisson -- in this case the New York voting thing -- and add others to it, rather than cut-n-paste *all* of them into a single other file. (Is that semi-clear?) That voting one came in with a suggested topic of DOJ (appropriate) -- I meant to but obviously did not change the topic icon to the more general Slashback one, so that DOJ one "stuck." Brain fart it was. timothy
did he add (Score:2) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 22, @02:35PM (#835821)
first post?
Rubber keyboard? (Score:3) by KnightStalker ([moc.tropelet] [ta] [jnamffoh]) on Tuesday August 22, @02:36PM (#835822) (User #1929 Info)
How could Slashdot readers have known about the rubber keyboard for months when Slashdot has only posted *one* story about it? We need to be reminded of these things from time to time, you know... at least one story a week should do it :-) --
Re:Hello. (Score:2) by Shoeboy (drhelpful@portalofevil.com...) on Tuesday August 22, @02:42PM (#835823) (User #16224 Info | http://microsoft.com/)
Hello. I'm a 18 year old female. Who wants to fuck me? Depends on your species. --Shoeboy
selling votes? (Score:1) by miracles on Tuesday August 22, @02:38PM (#835824) (User #93948 Info)
what happens if i sell votes for federal elections in New York? what does the state have to do with that?
RAID on Linux (Score:1) by miracles on Tuesday August 22, @02:41PM (#835825) (User #93948 Info)
3ware seems to have a good product, but has anyone been able to get the Promise IDE RAID controllers to work on linux? put 2 of those and a slew of IBM's 10K rpm drives and you'll have a kickass box...
The Whole Problem... (Score:1) by thinthief (slashdot (at) overwhelmed (dot) org) on Tuesday August 22, @02:42PM (#835826) (User #13759 Info | http://overwhelmed.org/)
...with the selling-your-vote-online metaphore is that you are implying that the candidates buy votes. That is not how the system works. The candidates don't buy votes, the corporations buy candidates. Either Bush or Gore is going to win, but for the powerfull elite it doesn't matter. Most corps have donated to both the Democrats and the Republicans. Don't throw your vote away on the Republicrats. Vote Nader.
votebroker.com is still available (Score:2) by Demona on Tuesday August 22, @02:42PM (#835827) (User #7994 Info | http://frogfarm.org/dj/)
On a tangential note, End Women's Suffrage Now! tells a dihydrogen monoxide-like tale worked into a rant of "don't vote, it only encourages them."
Here's how it works: (Score:1) by / on Tuesday August 22, @03:20PM (#835828) (User #33804 Info)
You may not sell your vote, but your congressman may sell his vote. Just Rosie O'Donnell won't let you own your guns, but her son's bodyguard gets to own his guns.
Selling votes (Score:2) by swerdloff (slashdot@swerdloff.com) on Tuesday August 22, @02:47PM (#835829) (User #16397 Info | http://www.fictionsuits.com/)
I'm still not clear on the concept - you can't sell your vote, but you can buy your congressman? Don't seem right to me.
C'mon, this is NY! (Score:1) by cryptwhomp (riverrat@@@hushmail...com) on Tuesday August 22, @03:20PM (#835830) (User #16138 Info | http://www.mrcranky.com/)
The state has *everything* to do with every aspect of your life. Don't you know that yet? They know whats good fer ya, so just 'lay back and enjoy it'
I think you've got it backwards (Score:1) by LameBrain (spam-i-am@greenEggs.ham) on Tuesday August 22, @03:28PM (#835831) (User #213401 Info | http://www.cyrnai.com/)
I was under the impression that the point of the "vote auction" site was to point out that if corruption on the "vote auction" level isn't acceptable then why is it accepted at the legistlative level? And why isn't anyone concerned about it given that it is a much more dangerous problem at that level?
Those 3ware cards are such a crock . . (Score:4) by alhaz (alhaz@we.areb.org) on Tuesday August 22, @03:28PM (#835832) (User #11039 Info | http://we.areb.org)
They look like a real neat idea from the outset. Then you learn the nitty gritty. Like price. And capabilities. The basic model has two channels. These cards only let you put one drive on each channel. So you've paid $200 for two drives. A two drive raid. whoop-de-effin-do. The prices ramp up very quickly from there. Close to $400 for a four-drive controller. You're not saving a red cent vs. comparible scsi. You'd be better off with a couple Promise controllers and software raid. UW scsi is comparable to UDMA66 in terms of throughput, even with multiple drives on the channel. UW scsi is considered old-crappy-junk by the RAID array set. Thus, UW scsi based raid controllers are selling quite cheap. I have personally purchased (for my employer) several AMI Megaraid 2 channel UW scsi raid controllers for $115 each. It's quite common to find them for less than $200. Don't bother with this IDE raid malarky. It's pointless and silly. If you insist on RAIDing IDE drives, just use software raid, linux is quite good at it.
Radio (Score:3) by Pres. George W. Bush (presgeorgewbush@whitehouse.gov) on Tuesday August 22, @05:46PM (#835833) (User #220034 Info)
The merger of USADR and LDR to form iBiquity Digital Corporation doesn't portend more choice for American listeners. It portends less. While the rest of the world rushes to embrace the Eureka 147 digital audio broadcast (DAB) standard, America has floundered for years to develop its own digital system. Why this departure? Greed. The Eureka system uses a single transmitter facility that is used by all broadcasters in a geographical area. Each of the participants in the system also share a common coverage area. Everyone competes on the basis of the quality of the programming they offer and not the signal available to listeners. By contrast, powerful, entrenched American broadcasters detest the idea of fair competition. The huge corporate multi-station operators (MSO's) that own hundreds of local radio stations each, have oligopoly power and intend to keep it. They own the big, powerful stations in each market, and dominate the airwaves. Small stations, which don't have the broadcast reach of their MSO competitors, are left marginalized by the current scheme. Thus, the choices available to the listening public are limited by technical constraints. It matters not whether the smaller broadcaster offers superior programming. The iBiquity system is designed to perpetuate this order. All it does is piggyback a digital audio signal on the existing analog one. The result is the degradation of the analog signal. This is done so that a digital signal that is vastly technically inferior to Eukeka can be delivered in a coverage pattern that duplicates the existing one. Add to this the deregulation of US media ownership and the result is a concentration of media power that only worsens by the day.
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:1) by alprazolam on Tuesday August 22, @05:46PM (#835834) (User #71653 Info)
but if you are an anarchist or somebody who at best believes this so called democracy is a crock of shit but dont agree with the third party candidates, what better way to use your vote than to try and fuck up the system?
Re:Those 3ware cards are such a crock . . (Score:2) by alhaz (alhaz@we.areb.org) on Tuesday August 22, @05:47PM (#835835) (User #11039 Info | http://we.areb.org)
Actually, prices are coming down quite a bit. Consider, 18 gig drives are on the small end of what companies want to build a serious storage array out of these days. And nobody builds a serious storage array out of UW drives anymore anyway. These days a storage array is going to be using large Ultra2 or Ultra160 drives. At any rate, I see 18 gig 7200rpm UW scsi drives being liquidated for less than $200 all the time. I don't know what the performance of the 3Ware cards is compared to SCSI. If it can overcome the general boneheadedness of the ATA interface that generally bogs down your entire system, it might be worth it. But they're still so expensive that it's probably not worth it.
Re:The Whole Problem... (Score:1) by alprazolam on Tuesday August 22, @05:53PM (#835836) (User #71653 Info)
or "Don't throw your vote away on Nader. Throw your vote away on Gore." notice how the 'swing voters' who voted for perot affected the republicans stance this year? i wonder what the people who vote for nader now will mean the next time...maybe economic justice as a major issue? lets hope so
I'm sorry, but the Jargon file is way out of touch (Score:1) by Jack9 (Jack9@teacher.com) on Tuesday August 22, @05:59PM (#835837) (User #11421 Info | http://www.jack9.org)
It's nice to say that means something in the jargon file, but along with a number of other entries in the file, it doesnt mean anything. There was a time when I looked at the file and if there was a term in there that I hadnt seen before, that I was probably out of touch with the geek community. Now I see it's the other way around. C|N>K? Conway's Law? Of course in the context that I have heard these terms they meant different things and were only used by a very small number of people. I certainly dont think these terms are 'canon'. Often wrong but never in doubt. I am Jack9.
Re:Votes? (Score:1) by alprazolam on Tuesday August 22, @06:00PM (#835838) (User #71653 Info)
what if it was all a big conspiracy and they were just tricking us into thinking our votes counted? better yet, what if they tricked us into believing that they are for anything other than supporting the rich individuals and corporations who support them and pay the money to get them elected? would a million people die for that vote?
Re:No entry for slashdot effect yet... (Score:2) by Azog (slashmail@arnor.net) on Wednesday August 23, @09:59AM (#835839) (User #20907 Info | http://www.arnor.net)
It would be trivial to put the Jargon file on a Palm. I have the entire New International Version Bible on my Handspring, and it takes less than half the memory. That's using a custom reader program which is doing compression/decompression on the fly. If the Jargon file is available, I would like to get it. I have one of the older printed versions - published as The Hacker's Dictionary - and it's one of my favorite computer books. Torrey Hoffman (Azog)
Selling your vote is harmful to democracy (Score:1) by Skipio (skipio@email.com) on Tuesday August 22, @06:01PM (#835840) (User #13086 Info)
One of the most important aspects of democracy is that it is based upon majority rule. Everyone (of legal age, of course) has equal rights to vote, regardless of personal income or property, e.g. One person==one vote. This is really what makes democracy democracy. When selling your vote you are basically saying that voting rights should be based upon your income or property, that is: one dollar==one vote. This is certainly NOT called democracy because it’s not the majority of people who rules society but rather the majority of capital who rules it, similar to how corporations are run. So if you fancy to change your country into a corporate state, then by God's means sell your vote to the highest bidder.
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:2) by carlos_benj on Wednesday August 23, @12:33PM (#835841) (User #140796 Info)
it can be argued that there's no such thing as a selfless act It can be argued, but how effectively when you introduce the person who puts their own life in jeopardy to save another?
Condesending ass (Score:1) by Troy Roberts (trobe@pulse.net) on Tuesday August 22, @06:09PM (#835842) (User #4682 Info)
Your tone is really annoying. Who do you think you are? He can express his opinion. Besides do you really believe that our representative in government have nothing to do with the enforcement of law? If so, you need to read a little. Local government (i.e. county or city) has a lot to do with local law enforcement. Counties the Sheriff is often an elected official. In most cities the Mayor hires the chief of police. What about prosecutors? Govners? President? ..... All of these have something directly to do with law enforcement. Congress men have a less direct impact. They approve federal judges and create the laws that are to be inforced. To suggest that elected officials do not have much to do with law enforcement, show a serious lack of understanding.
Re:Votes? (Score:1) by Dr Caleb (thedarkknight at(spam&amp;eggs)hushmail dot com) on Tuesday August 22, @06:20PM (#835843) (User #121505 Info)
Let's turn that around - What if you have already been tricked into thinking your vote doesn't count? And that's what they want you to think! Voter apathy is rising! Typical election results: Winner 65% of the ballots; First loser 20%; 15% to people you never heard of. Voter turn out: 30%. 30%!! If those 70% of the people had turned out to vote for the person who got the least votes - that would have been our imaginary winner! On the grand scale, yes, your vote means diddly. But it means much more with 70% of the population too lazy to stop watching the tube to get out and vote! And in the last 100 years or so, 30-40 million people did die so you could vote. (assuming you live in a democratic country :-} )
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:1) by Kris_J (Kris_Johnson@yahoo.com) on Wednesday August 23, @03:05PM (#835844) (User #10111 Info | http://krisjohn.cjb.net/ | Last Journal: Monday October 08, @04:25AM)
But if votes are for sale, it is too easy to set up a self-perpetuating system, in which officeholders enrich themselves and then pay off enough people to get their gang reelected. This is how the political bosses of the 20's and 30's operated. And the companies of the 1900s and early 2000... Seriously, this is what a position of strength is, and it's the goal of the majority of the population and the fiduciary duty of every publicly listed company.
Re:Rubber keyboard? (Score:1) by KnightStalker ([moc.tropelet] [ta] [jnamffoh]) on Wednesday August 23, @08:35PM (#835845) (User #1929 Info)
Well, obviously. That's what makes it so ironic :-) --
First Amendment commentary? (Score:2) by Russ Nelson on Tuesday August 22, @06:34PM (#835846) (User #33911 Info | http://russnelson.com/)
I'm surprised that floating a vote-buying scheme isn't considered protected political commentary under the first amendment. -russ
Re:Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:1) by meme (iactive@iactive.zzn.com) on Friday August 25, @10:34AM (#835847) (User #13400 Info)
Since when is talking about committing a crime, a crime? Sounds like the "police state" has finally arrived. Of course...there may be a flip side to this...let's see...i could talk about sex...oh yeah, it's actually happenin', let's talk some more!!!!!
Uh oh..no vote selling? (Score:1) by pheonix (slashdot@nospam.thelances.com) on Tuesday August 22, @02:50PM (#835848) (User #14223 Info | http://www.thelances.com)
Signal 11, I want my vote back...
The UN-coolest thing at LinuxWorldExpo... (Score:1) by dumpest (MrSodaOverload@no.spam.commie) on Tuesday August 22, @02:50PM (#835849) (User #97919 Info | http://redrival.com/cwfnews)
The Un-coolest thing at Linux World Expo was what last year was called the dot org pavilion this year was called the docking station... which reminded me of some kind of cattle pen for the non-profits and the advocacy foundations... Did it seem wierd that the winners of the big award for best work, the Debian project, had a little pen in order to promote itself while corporations like Corel, who basically are reinventing themselves by piggybacking their desktop on top of Debian and KDE's good work? Is VA Linux, who I heard sponsored some of these groups to be at LinuxWorld, too poor to allocate a little more space or at least more promotion for these very important organizations? Coolest thing at the EXPO? The dot org's
Evil word (Score:1) by ackthpt (WildBillCatt@DeathTöngue.com) on Tuesday August 22, @02:50PM (#835850) (User #218170 Info | http://www.dragonswest.com/)
Buzzword compliance is certainly a mission-critical optimization ... Captain_Carnage writes "The LinuxWorld website has an article about itstop five products today. Featured are a rollable rubber keyboard from Broumand (only an e-mail address given), a user resource allocation/accounting tool from Aurema, an IDE-based RAID card from 3ware, a Linux-based router/VPN box from Linux Wizardry, and a High-Availability clustering product from Mission Critical Linux." Hey! You forgot to use the word: Solutions Where the heck do you think you are, Canada? Vote Naked 2000
Re:selling votes? (Score:1) by Merk00 (mleese@nospam.bcpl.net) on Tuesday August 22, @02:52PM (#835851) (User #123226 Info)
It has everything to do with it because the states run federal elections and the state's determine egibility for voting in federal elections (remember the grandfather clause and literacy tests administered by southern states to prevent blacks from voting?). Selling your vote isn't protected by federal law so you'd lose your ability to vote. Matt
Oh, grow up, guys! (Score:2) by KahunaBurger on Tuesday August 22, @02:53PM (#835852) (User #123991 Info)
So, this is more political speech that is 'illegal'? So far, it has been nothing but a discussion of vote auctioning and a college paper. Amazing that the bureaucrats what to 'do something' about this, but rounding up car thieves keeps 'slipping through the cracks. Yes and in response to the discussion, the gentleman made it clear that what was being discussed was blatently illegal and would be prosecutted. Very useful fact to insert into the discussion, don'tcha think? And did your widdle car get stolen or are you just picking something that a legislater has nothing directly to do with and pulling an imature bait and switch. Vote selling is a serious form of fraud. I personally have worked to apply this principle to elected officials as well as those electing them, but corruption at one level is a damn childish excuse for condoning it at another. -Kahuna Burger
No entry for slashdot effect yet... (Score:3) by imac.usr (eventually_it'll_be_something_clever@logarithm.net) on Tuesday August 22, @02:53PM (#835853) (User #58845 Info | http://homepage.mac.com/imac_usr/)
but I'm sure it's being considered. As for the downloadable Palm module, IIRC the Jargon File isn't much more than 5 MB total, so it's theoretically possible on a higher-end model. Is there any sort of text reader thingy that does on-the-fly compression/expansion, or is the Palm not powerful enough yet for such a program?
Wrong icon (Score:1) by mduell (fleacircus.org@mduell) on Tuesday August 22, @02:53PM (#835854) (User #72367 Info | http://homer.artificialcheese.com/)
What is the DOJ icon doing on a /back article? Timothy had a brain fart? Mark Duell
Re:Hello. (Score:1) by istartedi on Tuesday August 22, @03:41PM (#835855) (User #132515 Info | http://www.vrml3d.com/)
Your not trying to buy my vote, are you?
Re:Votes? (Score:1) by Dr Caleb (thedarkknight at(spam&amp;eggs)hushmail dot com) on Tuesday August 22, @03:49PM (#835856) (User #121505 Info)
And the only reason they promise but don't deliver is because we let them! They know they can get away with stuffing little amendments about privacy into school taxation bills with a little added pay raise for themselves! Because no one will notice! To quote Babylon 5 (or misquote...) "No one takes power, it is given to them by the people..." It needs to be able to be taken away by the people too! And to sell your right to vote. The same right that millions of people in the world would die for, the right to vote in a free and democratic election. To give away what so many young men and women DIED for, just for beer money. That is a much sadder state of affairs.
Re:did he add (Score:1) by Arctic Fox on Tuesday August 22, @03:06PM (#835857) (User #105204 Info | http://charyna.dyndns.org | Last Journal: Saturday August 25, @01:19PM)
Ok. Moderators. This was not an attempt at a first post. It could have been a legitimate suggestion for ESR's Jargon File. ;) ---------------- Programming, is like sex.

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