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Guten Tag Herr Bernhrad,

das Internet-Wirtschaftheft NET-BUSINESS plant eine Geschichte źber UBERMORGEN.com
Hierfźr benštigen wir ein Foto von Ihnen, Herr Bernhard. Es wŠre sehr freundlich, wenn Sie uns noch heute ein Foto mailen kšnnten in einer Auflšung von 200 dpi bei einer Grš§e von 10x15cm. 

Herzlichen Dank

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From: Hans Sandberg <nordic-link@home.com> Organization: Sandberg Features
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Hi Hans,

Thanks for the letter. What is your direct comment to it? 

Do you have a digital portrait of yourself I could use? Regards,

Hans
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Subject: phone meeting.

Hans,

I was at a performance space in Albany all day today and unfortunately it is practically a concrete bunker so my cell phone wasn't working in there. I think it would be good for us to have a phone meeting sometime thursday to discuss future strategy. How about early evening, somewhere between 6 and 8PM Vienna time?

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:02:32 +0200
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Hi!

my name ist gerald reischl, reporter from the austrian daily KURIER and I am interested in your business and would like to talk to mr. hans bernhard, who has bought this web-site. he is an austrian i have heard. my email-adress is <>mailto:g.reischl@kurier.atĘ my telefonnumber +43-1-52100-2612 and my mobile-number +43+664+2000467 thanks in advance
gerald reischl


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I work for The American Prospect Magazine in Boston, and I'd like to speak with someone at VoteAuction.Com about your website. I am doing research for a possible upcoming article, and I have no telephone number for you -- would you direct me to the appropriate contact person? 

Thanks very much,

Cara Feinberg

Cara Feinberg
Editorial Assistant
The American Prospect
5 Broad Street
Boston, MA 02109
Phone: (617)570-8030 Ext. 117
Fax: (617) 570-8028
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To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: voteauction.com,

Hans,

I'm not sure who this guy is. I couldn't find any emails from him. It's tough to keep track of everyone though.

I am doing some research for California now - trying to find good specific examples of influence purchasing, soft money, et cetera. I'm think this might be helpful in giving a reply to the California Secretary of State. I've tried calling a few times today, but I keep getting "all circuits are busy" I'll keep trying.

James

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>james,
>
>had interviews with hans sandberg, mark andersen tries to contact me regarding chicago, net-bc.de is on another story, telepolis is working on an exclusive about the secretary of state calif, and some other interviews are rolling.. this just as quick brief for you..
>
>greetZ
>hans
>
>--->
>do you know this guy?
>
>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
>>X-Sender: ubermorgen@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:27:03 +0200
>>To: hans@ubermorgen.com
>>From: ubermorgen <office@ubermorgen.com> Subject: Fwd: voteauction.com, part 2
>>
>>>Delivered-To: ubermorgen@ubermorgen.com From: "Chris Holmes" <cholmes@wsfa.com>
>>>To: <ubermorgen@ubermorgen.com>
>>>Subject: voteauction.com, part 2
>>>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:21:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3
>>>
>>>One other thought -
>>>
>>>If Mr. Bernhard might be available for a phone interview, I am available at the following telephone numbers in the U.S.: 
>>>
>>>(334) 284-5276 (WSFA Assignment Desk) (334) 613-8219 (direct to my desk)
>>>
>>>Thank you again for your help.
>>>
>>>Christopher Holmes,
>>>Reporter, WSFA-TV
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cc: James M Baumgartner <baumgj@rpi.edu>, hans@ubermorgen.net Subject: Re: James M. Baumgartner, lawyer 

this is totally awesome... maybe every city and state can be induced to do a similar thing... and deborah philips' suggestion for the president to get involved will be taken...

http://rtmark.com/
Turning information resources into emotional capital. 

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, frank guerrero wrote: 

>wow, this is really interesting. the Baumgartner you found is totally scary. If nothing else, i think you should send him a corrospondence- like a "will you be my lawyer" letter, and then just start referring the press to him when appropriate- tell them you are in the process of retaining his services becasue he has been so successful with morally repugnant atrocities like mass layoff strategies for employers and drug testing. so he will have to do well for voteauction.com. And plus, voteauction.com should succeed, because if it goes forward, then it really secures the legal position of corporate campaign monies. 
>
>i dunno, its just an amazing - totally amazing resume 
>
>great work-
>
>
>At 12:43 PM -0400 10/12/00, James M Baumgartner wrote: 
>>Here's the latest USA Today story. I didn't get to talk to the reporter for this one, but suddenly I'm a law student! Maybe I should look into retaining myself for legal council.
>>
>>http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk101100.htm 
>>
>>In one of my searches for stories about voteauction, I came across a bio for a lawyer named James M Baumgartner.
>>
>>http://www.bhlaw.com/members/jmb.htm
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>>Perhaps I should try to hire him, although looking at his record, I don't think he would go for it.
>>
>>James M. Baumgartner
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:35:26 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
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To: "Wagner, Keith" <kwagner@AccessMagazine.com> Subject: Re: Scheduling an interview

Keith Wagner,

You may contact Mr. Bernhard directly at hans@ubermorgen.com (tel: +43-676-930-00-61)
Or you may contact the site's founder, Mr. Baumgartner at baumgj@rpi.edu (tel: +1-518-506-7725)

Public Relations

"Wagner, Keith" wrote:

>
>
>Hello! I'm an editor at Accessmagazine.com, the daily Web companion to a weekly U.S. newspaper supplement. We report news about the Web and explain what that news means to our readers, and we also provide reviews of interesting and useful sites that we think our readers should visit.
>
>I'm writing a story due to be published on Tuesday, Nov. 7, election day here in the U.S., about the Voteauction site and the ideas behind it. Would it be possible to schedule an interview with site owner Hans Bernhard? I'd like to speak with him about his reasons for purchasing the site, what he thinks it will accomplish and what he intends to do with it beyond the election.
>
>Please get back to me at your earliest convenience. I will be out of the office from Friday, Oct. 13 to Tuesday, Oct. 17. 
>
>Regards,
>Keith Wagner
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>fax: 781-453-3988Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:50:40 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
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To: Cara Feinberg <cfeinberg@prospect.org> Subject: Re: Contact information

Cara Feinberg,

There are two persons to contact for voteauction.com. The current owner is Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, tel: +43-676-930-00-61) Voteauction.com was founded by James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, tel: +1-676-930-00-61) Feel free to contact either person, you email has been forwarded to both of them. 

Public Relations

Cara Feinberg wrote:

>I work for The American Prospect Magazine in Boston, and I'd like to speak with someone at VoteAuction.Com about your website. I am doing research for a possible upcoming article, and I have no telephone number for you -- would you direct me to the appropriate contact person? 
>
>Thanks very much,
>
>Cara Feinberg
>Cara Feinberg Editorial Assistant The American Prospect 5 Broad Street Boston, MA 02109 Phone: (617)570-8030 Ext. 117 Fax: (617) 570-8028Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:19:32 -0400
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Subject: Re: Voteauction.com

Hi Hans:

Thanks for your pictures. I have written a story based on the interview, but I would like to refer to your full name, which is Luzius A. Bernhard according to the DNS-information. The fact that nobody dug this up is a surprising and a bit scary thing about journalism in the cyberage. How do you know that the person you are talking to is that person, and not an imposter or a prankster? I thought of that when I got your pictures. I am not suggesting that you did, but the sheer possibility is a bit enerving. It is so easy to just go ahead and take things for granted. I wonder if they teach this in the journalism schools? 

The fact that your pseudonym is so close to your real name, and is available for anyone who looks, suggests to me that you don't consider your anonymity all that crucial. Is that correct?

Regards,

Hans
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Hans:
I'm doing a story this morning about Chicago filing a lawsuit against voteauction and wanted to be sure to get a comment from you asap. If you are checking you email will you send me a note back or call me. Also, do you have Sandra's phone number? 

Thanks.
Ronna Abramson



Hi Hans:
I am a reporter with The Industry Standard and I wrote a story about voteauction when James first launched the site. I got your press release below but when I looked at the site didn't see any of the changes it mentions. I'm just wondering if and when you are putting them up and if you are still planning to hold the auction. If you could send me an email I'd really appreciate it. Since the time difference is a bit tricky, I'm also wondering if we could arrange in advance to talk more, perhaps tomorrow morning my time, early evening your time? Please let me know. 

dear ronna

sorry my delay, the message has been hiding in my inbox for too long;..

the mentioned changes are up and running, for further information about the new specs, please contact pr@voteauction.com; sandra bairl, our us-pr-rep. will be glad to answer all your Qs.

for phone-interview, you can contact/call me direct under +43 676 930 00 61 ; any time between 9am - 12pm MET;

greets
hans bernhard


Thanks.

Ronna Abramson


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From: voteauction pr <pr@voteauction.com> Subject: New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features 


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
September 16, 2000


New Austrian owner of Voteauction.com adds exciting features 

Contact:
Hans Bernhard (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, +43-676-930 0061) James Baumgartner (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, +1-518-506 7725) 


Voteauction.com, the first web site to cut out the middleman and bring campaign contributions directly to the voters, is re- launching with several new features designed to better serve the voting public.

The site was first launched on August 1 with a plan to allow voters to sell their votes to the highest bidder. When the New York City Election Commission threatened to crack down on voteauction.com, the site's founder, James Baumgartner, shut down the site and began looking for a way to operate voteauction.com legally. But even while the site was shut down, it was receiving wide attention on television, in print and on the Internet (see partial press list below.) 

News about the site attracted the attention of Hans Bernhard, an Austrian businessman whose holdings include a number of small dot-com enterprises. Bernhard, an e-commerce innovator whose meteoric business success combines an ability to marry emergent technologies with social needs, offered to purchase the site and run it overseas, where it would not be subject to U.S. Election Laws.

"As America continues to expand the role of private enterprise in key areas once inaccessible to private investors, new opportunities constantly arise. At this point in time, the election industry is uniquely attractive to the foreign investor," Bernhard said. "I believe that voteauction.com, as a pioneer in this market, will be a great complement to other emerging American investment opportunities, for example in the Corrections and Education industry."

Bernhard's team has implemented several exciting new features for the voteauction.com re-launch.

* Voter Empowerment Kits: Users will be able to download flyers, handbills, and bumper-sticker ready artwork for their own uses. The voters can then market their votes directly to campaign contributors. This way, the voter can cash in on the capital potential of all their votes, not just their Presidential vote.

* Voteauction.com message board: This public forum will allow voteauction.com users to post their feedback on the voteauction.com product.

* Voteauction Action Team: The Voteauction Action Team will travel around America handing out Voter Empowerment Kits and educating voters on how they can cash in on their democratic capital.

Voteauction.com already has over 6000 registered users. With its new features and under new ownership, voteauction.com will continue to be a leader in the growing election industry. As owner Hans Bernhard says, "Voteauction.com represents a new paradigm in the election industry, providing a win-win situation for both the voter and the investor."


Selected Press

Washington Post:
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html 

CNN.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html 

Wired News:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html 

ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html 

NY1 News:
http://www.ny1.com/ny/Living/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=4&subto pi cintid=101&contentintid=7408 


Selected Quotes

"These people are 50 years ahead of their time in seeing the ultimate destination of the current [electoral] process." Jamin Raskin, law professor at American University (Wired News) 

"When I saw that I would have to choose between Bush and Gore this year, I felt like staying home on election day. Knowing that the candidates had raised hundreds of millions of dollars for this election, I realized that my vote is worth a lot of money. There are millions of people like me, and voteauction.com will help us earn money from our voting power." James Baumgartner, Voteauction.com founder (previous press release) 

"This website is an INSULT to every American who has ever fought to protect our freedom or for the right to vote in America!" Barbara Phillips, chairman of the Voting Integrity Project (voting-integrity.org)

Ronna Abramson
The Industry Standard
315 Pacific Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94111
(415) 591-6987

Ronna Abramson
The Industry Standard
315 Pacific Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94111
(415) 591-6987
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:24:05 -0400
Subject: Voteauction.com
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Mr. Bernhard,

Thanks very much for speaking with me earlier today. I just left an additional message on your voicemail -- I left you both my phone number and email address, but I thought it might be easier to contact you directly via the internet.

I wanted to ask you the name of your investment group, and the date you purchased Voteauction.com. I also wanted to find out how you currently profit from (or plan to in the future) from Voteauction.com -- is it from advertising on the website, or directly from the participants? I understand it is a business venture -- I am just uncertain how you derive your profits. 

Feel free to contact me either by email, or by telephone (the number is listed below). I will be leaving the office for the weekend at 5pm Eastern Standard Time. After that, I will be reachable at <CLFeinberg@yahoo.com>.

Thanks again,

Cara Feinberg
Cara Feinberg
Editorial Assistant
The American Prospect
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Boston, MA 02109
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"bringing capitalism and democrazCy closer to each other" 

sell your vote online...
http://www.voteauction.com


greetZ

etoy.HANS / hans bernhard
ubermorgen.com


some selected artikleZ:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk082300.htm http://cnn.co.jp/2000/TECH/08/24/voteauction/ http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,17868,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/nf/0,1518,90399,00.html 

tonz of articles can be found herE:
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"bringing capitalism and democrazCy closer to each other" 

sell your vote online...
http://www.voteauction.com


greetZ

etoy.HANS / hans bernhard
ubermorgen.com


some selected artikleZ:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/24/internet.vote/index.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/jk082300.htm http://cnn.co.jp/2000/TECH/08/24/voteauction/ http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/cashvotes000818.html http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14820-2000Aug24.html http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,17868,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/nf/0,1518,90399,00.html 

tonz of articles can be found herE:
http://www.voteauction.com/news.htm


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2.b.2) more pitiful is the latest case in austria. industry insiders reported: the spam-mail-agency that "purchased" an american election site (after it was shut down by its founder) now plays an unsmart game. it promotes so called "shock- and guerrilla-marketing": the company tries to sell "art-editions" of cheap cars, promotes cloths and works for companies like microsoft germany. is this a problem for etoy? no. we did not think so. but fans informed us that the self-appointed pr- masterminds signed with the official etoy.EMAIL-ADDRESS to make their spam looking cool. what a brilliant masterpiece! a closer look to the website showed us that the agency calls etoy a "client and official partner" with the same "philosophy". etoy.FANS and SHAREHOLDERS - confused and disappointed that etoy is wasting its strong brand for low- key business operations - complained. we don't like to get involved in a mudslinging. trademark problems are to be found under "risk factors" in our b.p. but as a shareholder company etoy is required to inform investors. here is the official etoy.STATEMENT: "the etoy.CORPORATION does neither work with those people nor does it support this kind of business-plans and urge everybody to risk their own asses for this sort of narrow minded crap. the etoy.MANAGEMENT is always open for a twisted deal. but shock-marketing will fail: no cultural profit - no long term revenues - no brain. etoy.LAWYERS feel excited about hunting down clowns who run spam mail companies and mimic very successful art brands. thank you very much for your cooperation!"

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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, prapp@capital.net, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: Fwd: voteeeauction.com / domain-bank letter 

wow, amazing! very good conclusion to the project, if y'all choose to end it this way... fighting could be even more interesting though. either way you get a chance to make big loud points about the whole overall point of voteauction.com, without entirely giving away that it was entirely fake.... it can refresh the original points, that stopped being mentioned in articles as the news came to be more about various public figures getting on voteauction's case....

paul, have you been following this at all? press is at voteauction.com, press link.

r

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On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>
>ola
>
>its probably time to involve some
>more lawyers, we have 30 days in
>order to answer to domain-bank
>request, and we should do this
>properly, otherwise they will
>revoke our domain cheap and easy!
>
>.. until now we have no official
>letters from chicago or calif..
>
>...and we should prepare some
>press-release very fast..
>
>greetZ
>hans_e
>
>
>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
>>Reply-To: "Scott Hemphill" <shemphill@domainbank.net> From: "Scott Hemphill" <shemphill@domainbank.net> To: <hans@ubermorgen.com>
>>Cc: "Hal Lubsen" <hlubsen@domainbank.net>, 	"Louis Touton" <touton@icann.org>,
>>	"Dan Halloran" <liaison@icann.org>,
>>	"Bill Wood" <bwood@ss.ca.gov>
>>Subject: voteauction.com
>>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:44:05 -0400
>>Organization: Domain Bank, Inc.
>>X-Priority: 3
>>
>>Luzius A. Bernhard
>>
>>Kurrentgasse 10-22
>>
>>Vienna, AU A-1010
>>
>>Dear Mr. Bernhard:
>>
>>We have been contacted by the office of the Secretary of State of the State of California, USA, with regard to the activities conducted under the domain name voteauction.com, for which you are listed as registrant. The Secretary of State's office alleges that such activities constitute felonies under certain sections of the California Code. We also received a copy of direct correspondence from the Secretary of State to you setting forth the specifics of the allegations.
>>
>>Further, we have had conversations with representatives of the Secretary's office who have informed us that it is their intent to investigate such activities completely, and to prosecute any parties responsible therefore to the fullest extent of the law. 
>>
>>The Service Agreement between you and Domain Bank with respect to your domain name registration provides in part that "You agree to use your domain name only in accordance with applicable laws." (See, Section 3 of the Registration Agreement, located at <http://www1.domainbank.net/reg_agreement.cfm>http://www1.domainbank.net/reg_agreement.cfm). Given the allegations of the California Secretary of State's office, and pursuant to section 9 of the Registration Agreement, we hereby notify you that you must remedy the breach of your obligations under the Registration Agreement by complying fully with California law (or furnish us with compelling evidence refuting such allegations) within 30 days after the date of this e-mail (i.e., October 13, 2000). If you fail to cure the breach (or provide such evidence) within such period, Domain Bank shall have the right, pursuant to Section 9 of the Registration Agreement, in its sole discretion to delete, revoke, suspend, transfer or otherwise modify your registration of the domain name voteauction.com. 
>>
>>In cooperation with the above-referenced criminal investigation, we have taken steps to prevent you from transferring the domain name to another registrar during the pendency of the investigation. 
>>
>>Please contact me if you have any questions. 
>>
>>Very truly yours,
>>
>>M. Scott Hemphill
>>VP & General Counsel
>>Domain Bank, Inc.
>><mailto:shemphill@domainbank.com>shemphill@domainbank.com <http://www.domainbank.com>www.domainbank.com 610.317.9606
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:03:57 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
X-Accept-Language: en
To: "Lavoie, Chris" <ChrisLavoie@clearchannel.com> Subject: Re: Interview Request

Chris Lavoie,

There are two people who you may interview for your program. Hans Bernhard is
the current owner of voteauction.com (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com, tel:+43-676-930-00-61) James Baumgartner is the grad student who started the
website (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu, tel +1-518-506-7725). Your email has been
forwarded to both persons.

Public Relations

"Lavoie, Chris" wrote:

>To Whom It May Concern:
>
>My name is Chris Lavoie, and I am the executive producer at Newsradio 550 KFYI in Phoenix, Arizona and we are planning a segment on Monday morning at 6:39am MST about voteauction.com, and we want to book a guest from your organization for a quick 4 or 5 minute interview to tell us how it works, what trouble it's causing, and whether it is successful. Please have someone get back in touch with me as soon as possible so we can set this interview up. Thank you.
>
>Sincerely,
>Chris Lavoie, Executive Producer for KFYIDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:18:20 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
X-Accept-Language: en
To: "Brown, Steve" <steve.brown@foxnews.com> Subject: Re: PLEASE!

Steve Brown,

There are two persons you may contact for an interview. Hans Bernhard is the current owner of voteauction.com (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930-00-61) James Baumgartner started the website in August (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu +1-518-506-7725) You may contact either person for an interview. Your email has been forwarded to both.

Public Relations


"Brown, Steve" wrote:

>...TALK TO US!
>
>I am Steve Brown...a correspondent at the Fox News Channel. I am stationed
>here in Chicago...where a lawsuit is reportedly coming...against voteauction.com
>
>We need your side of this to be able to be fair and balanced on this incredibly
>interesting story.
>
>Hope to hear from you soon...
>
>Steve Brown
>Correspondent
>Fox News Channel
>312/494-4854
>browns@foxnews.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:24:48 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
X-Accept-Language: en
To: Megan Devir <megan@fci-ny.com>
Subject: Re: Fuji TV Interview Request

Megan Devir,

Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. There are two persons you may interview. Hans Bernhard is the current owner of voteauction.com (mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com +43-676-930-00-61) James Baumgartner is the American who started the site (mailto:baumgj@rpi.edu +1-518-506-7725) Your email has been forwarded to both persons. 

Public Relations

Megan Devir wrote:

>October 13, 2000
>
>VoteAuction.com
>Public Relations
>
>Dear VoteAuction.com,
>
>On behalf of Fuji Television News, I would like to request an interview with a representative of VoteAuction.com for a news documentary on the internet's impact on this year's presidential election.
>
>Fuji Television is the largest commercial network in Japan, reaching 98% of the Japanese population. We would like to air the VoteAuction.com interview as part of a special news documentary .
>
>Our Japanese correspondents will be in the U.S. from October 22-November 7. We would be
>happy to schedule the interview at your convenience. 
>
>You can contact me directly at 212-702-0560. Thank you very much for your consideration. 
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Megan Devir
>Fuji Television
>New York BureauDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
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Reply-To: James M Baumgartner <baumgj@rpi.edu> To: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, 
liz@ubermorgen.com
Subject: end-game strategies

All,

In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com.

First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.)

I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction?

Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that?

Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. 

Possible future strategies:
1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions.

2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links.

3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. 

---

The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. 

Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions.

JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
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To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: end-game strategies

Hans,

I like where this idea is heading. I just had trouble communicating with you on the phone - international cell-phone calls are not always the best. 

I can't really afford to investigate with a US lawyer. I have a thesis presentation to prepare and I only have a few weeks to gather all of the footage I can.

The election is on Tuesday, November 7. My thesis presentation will be that same night. I'm thinking - big election night victory party complete with power point and video presentation. 

James

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>>All,
>
>hi there
>
>thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax..
>
>my opinion:
>
>:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing 
>out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood..
>
>:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out 
>with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment,
>so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; 
>
>---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer 
>so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly?
>
>:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go 
>out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... 
>
>----again, legal check..
>----this email should generate the last big wave 
>of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. 
>
>:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal 
>side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore?
>
>----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and 
>talk to a lawyer this week in berlin??
>
>pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! 
>
>greetZ
>hans_e
>
>
>ps: what exactly is the election date??? 
>
>
>
>>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com.
>>
>>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.)
>>
>>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction?
>>
>>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that?
>>
>>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. 
>>
>>Possible future strategies:
>>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions.
>>
>>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links.
>>
>>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. 
>>
>>---
>>
>>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. 
>>
>>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions.
>>
>>James
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To: baumgj@rpi.edu
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Subject: Re: end-game strategies
Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com 


dear all;

i am here in berlin.

the press is running crazy in media-loving germany.

what do i think about the points/ideas made so far:

. i also would never ever tell anybody that 
it is not working really. the people shalt believe what they want to believe.

. i would not stop it yet.

. concerning domainbank: i am doing the
following:
. preparing a letter to the domainbank,
which will state that we have not been
contacted formally by any governmental
bodies, i.e. we would not know what
laws we are breaking at the moment.
i will get this cross-checked with a
laywer in berlin.
. i will meet the newly-elected icann
person from germany, namely a member
of the infamous ccc.org; and discuss
the issue with him. i see another
interesting issue in the domainbank thing.* 

. i will also check for an alternative domain 
for voteauction, so we can always solve the domainbank thing easily anytime in a
technical kind of way.

i still cant believe in a way that they are all running crazy an this, but then....they always do...

we cant stop now, the media would hate us! 

bestz;
lizvlx


All,

hi there

thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax..

my opinion:

:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing 
out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood..

:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out 
with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment,
so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; 

---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer 
so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly?

:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go 
out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... 

----again, legal check..
----this email should generate the last big wave 
of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. 

:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal 
side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore?

----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and 
talk to a lawyer this week in berlin??

pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! 

greetZ
hans_e


ps: what exactly is the election date??? 


In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com.

First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.)

I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction?

Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that?

Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. 

Possible future strategies:
1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions.

2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links.

3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. 

---

The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. 

Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions.

James

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dear all;

i will be talking to a lawyer here
in berlin on wednesday.

and, i will also be talking to a
member of icann tomorrow.

we'll see what their advice will
be.

bestz;
liz
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:13:16 -0400
From: aacooper <aacooper@ap.org>
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To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: California investigation into voteauction.com 

Dear Sir:

The California Secretary of State announced today an investigation into the practices of your Web site, voteauction.com. He claims the site is conducting illegal business by offering votes for sale. 

In the interest of fair reporting, we need a comment from you or a representative of your company about this investigation. I am interested in why you bought the Web site and how you defend yourself against these claims, which, as you know, have also been made in other U.S. states. 

Please contact me by phone or email.

Yours,
Audrey Cooper
The Associated Press
916-488-9555
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X-Sender: moni@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:59:47 +0200
To: hans@ubermorgen.com, liz@ubermorgen.com From: ubermoni <moni@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: infos - office vienna



zuerst einmal sorry - wegen der post
-> werde in zukunft meine unterschrift
nirgendwo mehr darunter setzen

what happened today:

post::

:: e-mail nach japan - bewerbung verfasst 
mic hat es mit zur post genommen

:: e-mail an admin@rtmark.com

:: e-mail an marcev

:: e-mail an wien nord wegen beantwortung 
fragenkatalog

:: e-mail achim - zwecks ausssendung

:: weiterleitung foto-feedback hr. steiner 
hr. goelles


kontaktliste fuer event - vip einladungen:: 

:: kontakte von hans bereits erhalten
:: liz, moechtest du noch kontakte hinzufuegen? :: vorgangsweise
:: mic meint ein sammelmail (bcc) wuerde 
o.k.sein - fuer euch auch?
:: mic kommt morgen gegen 10.00-13.00
-> bitte bis zu diesem zeitpunkt alle infos 
danke

steuerberaterin::

:: hole morgen die 3 rechnung von fr. bart :: ubergabe der 2000er belege zwecks event. 
steuerverguetung (betrifft germany)
:: mehr infos morgen

pjure feedback::

:: beate huber schickte heute noch oder
morgen feedback


invoice wto::

:: leider klappt der scanner noch nicht
mic und ich arbeiten morgen daran
:: die daten
total due: 206.00 euro
cheque payable to center for international legal studies
bank transfer to CILS ATS account.no
131-0103/24 at oberbank salzburg , blz
15090, ignaz-harrer str. 40a, 5020 salzburg 

transfers must be marked "free of charge to beneficiary"

mic/moni:
:: pgp installiert

logenvertrag phalanx:
:: noch immer problem mit dem drucker

skim adressen:
:: updaten begonnen


to do tomorrow:

:: abgabe der rechnungen bei artportal
und portfolio
hr. hartinger werde ich wohl nicht
antreffen - keine tel.nr.
sofern der drucker klappt um 9:00
starte sobald ich e-mail verschickt habe nochmals neu

:: mic kommt um 10:00
-> mailing list - event letter von hans

:: rechnungen von der steuerberaterin holen 
und belege 2000 - uebergabe

:: weiterleiten unterschriebenen vertrag- 
loge an phalanx

:: es faellt sicher noch einiges an


vorerst mal ende des reportings - muss
drucker problem in griff kriegen


bye moni


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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:24:52 -0500
To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>, James M Baumgartner <baumgj@rpi.edu> From: frank guerrero <frank@rtmark.com>
Subject: Re: end-game strategies
Cc: frank@rtmark.com, admin@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com 

greetings oh brilliant voteauction managers- 

i think hans' plan is exactly on the money. exactly on the money. this becomes about milking the last drops out of it. its perfect. 

i think mentioning the "soft money" plan is really important... brings the very idea of the project ot a head in a most dramatic way. It must be carefully written , but its not a legal exercise anyway, its essentially just a way to connect these ideas- i think not only does this get the point accross, it starts to make the project even more abstract- it pushes it further ("we just "suggest" who to vote for... its quite funny) 

it might make sense to make the announcement of the system "going offline" or not working on election day itself.

IF you are to uncomfortable with the legal stuff, take CA and IL out of the lineup, just like New York. You could say that registration has been suspended in these states until you can properly enact this soft money plan.

The elections are so close, might as well milk it. 

frank

James: as for the thesis presentation, i would say forget about trying to gather everything up like its some kind of retrospective of voteacution. start working on the perfect speech to wrap things up on election night. You should just give a press conference- do the voteacution victory sppech. Just get a bunch of confetti and party poppers, a couple banners, a pa system, and bring your DJ rig for good party music. The speech can contextualize everything. You could print out all the press and put int in some three ring binders for people to read. no big deal... this is still a living part of the whole project, no need to embalm it on election day...! time for that later...



At 10:12 AM +0200 10/16/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: 
>>All,
>
>hi there
>
>thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax..
>
>my opinion:
>
>:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing 
>out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood..
>
>:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out 
>with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment,
>so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; 
>
>---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer 
>so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly?
>
>:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go 
>out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... 
>
>----again, legal check..
>----this email should generate the last big wave 
>of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. 
>
>:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal 
>side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore?
>
>----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and 
>talk to a lawyer this week in berlin??
>
>pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! 
>
>greetZ
>hans_e
>
>
>ps: what exactly is the election date??? 
>
>
>
>>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com.
>>
>>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.)
>>
>>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction?
>>
>>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that?
>>
>>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. 
>>
>>Possible future strategies:
>>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions.
>>
>>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links.
>>
>>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. 
>>
>>---
>>
>>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. 
>>
>>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions.
>>
>>James
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>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.htmlDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: frank guerrero <frank@rtmark.com>
cc: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>, James M Baumgartner <baumgj@rpi.edu>, 
liz@ubermorgen.com
Subject: Re: end-game strategies

yes! i agree too... it's best and most brilliant to do it this way--the most brilliant of all possible plans. i think election day is nov. 7. 

ray

http://rtmark.com/
Turning information resources into emotional capital. 

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, frank guerrero wrote: 

>greetings oh brilliant voteauction managers- 
>
>i think hans' plan is exactly on the money. exactly on the money. this becomes about milking the last drops out of it. its perfect. 
>
>i think mentioning the "soft money" plan is really important... brings the very idea of the project ot a head in a most dramatic way. It must be carefully written , but its not a legal exercise anyway, its essentially just a way to connect these ideas- i think not only does this get the point accross, it starts to make the project even more abstract- it pushes it further ("we just "suggest" who to vote for... its quite funny) 
>
>it might make sense to make the announcement of the system "going offline" or not working on election day itself.
>
>IF you are to uncomfortable with the legal stuff, take CA and IL out of the lineup, just like New York. You could say that registration has been suspended in these states until you can properly enact this soft money plan.
>
>The elections are so close, might as well milk it. 
>
>frank
>
>James: as for the thesis presentation, i would say forget about trying to gather everything up like its some kind of retrospective of voteacution. start working on the perfect speech to wrap things up on election night. You should just give a press conference- do the voteacution victory sppech. Just get a bunch of confetti and party poppers, a couple banners, a pa system, and bring your DJ rig for good party music. The speech can contextualize everything. You could print out all the press and put int in some three ring binders for people to read. no big deal... this is still a living part of the whole project, no need to embalm it on election day...! time for that later...
>
>
>
>At 10:12 AM +0200 10/16/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: 
>>>All,
>>
>>hi there
>>
>>thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax..
>>
>>my opinion:
>>
>>:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing 
>>out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood..
>>
>>:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out 
>>with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment,
>>so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; 
>>
>>---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer 
>>so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly?
>>
>>:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go 
>>out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... 
>>
>>----again, legal check..
>>----this email should generate the last big wave 
>>of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. 
>>
>>:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal 
>>side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore?
>>
>>----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and 
>>talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? 
>>
>>pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! 
>>
>>greetZ
>>hans_e
>>
>>
>>ps: what exactly is the election date??? 
>>
>>
>>
>>>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com.
>>>
>>>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.)
>>>
>>>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction?
>>>
>>>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that?
>>>
>>>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. 
>>>
>>>Possible future strategies:
>>>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions.
>>>
>>>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links.
>>>
>>>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. 
>>>
>>>---
>>>
>>>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. 
>>>
>>>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions.
>>>
>>>James
>>
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>>
>>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Sender: liz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:18:26 +0200
To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: California investigation into voteauction.com 


ok see below.
lizvlllx

any consulting for my answer would
be appreciated; greetz hans

Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:13:16 -0400
From: aacooper <aacooper@ap.org>
X-Accept-Language: en
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: California investigation into voteauction.com 

Dear Sir:

The California Secretary of State announced today an investigation into the practices of your Web site, voteauction.com. He claims the site is conducting illegal business by offering votes for sale. 

In the interest of fair reporting, we need a comment from you or a representative of your company about this investigation. I am interested in why you bought the Web site and how you defend yourself against these claims, which, as you know, have also been made in other U.S. states. 

Please contact me by phone or email.

Yours,
Audrey Cooper
The Associated Press
916-488-9555
aacooper@ap.org

first off, we would like to thank the secretary of the state of california for his eagerness concerning the protection of democracy. we are proud to have one more warrior on our side in the fight for democracy. we truly believe that the secretary is fighting for the same goals as we are.

concerning the specifics of a potential legal side-battle: at this moment in time, though, we can only state that we have indeed received a formal letter from the secretary of state of california. he did cite a few articles of the local election laws. we are at this time consulting with our laywers in europe and the u.s. what the secretary is actually relating to. as you can probably imagine, we do not know by heart or understand the local laws of the state of california and therefore have to get a thought- through statement from our laywers before making any further comment.
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p.s. what i meant was--i think too that hans's plan is best. i mean, it would be nice to eventually somehow get the word out on the exact intention of this, but this can be done without revealing hoax, with careful writing of the press release.... and pulling it out of calif and illinois good idea, and getting the voteauction.lt or whatever is really great....

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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, RTMark admin wrote: 

>yes! i agree too... it's best and most brilliant to do it this way--the most brilliant of all possible plans. i think election day is nov. 7. 
>
>ray
>
>http://rtmark.com/
>Turning information resources into emotional capital. 
>
>On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, frank guerrero wrote: 
>
>>greetings oh brilliant voteauction managers- 
>>
>>i think hans' plan is exactly on the money. exactly on the money. this becomes about milking the last drops out of it. its perfect. 
>>
>>i think mentioning the "soft money" plan is really important... brings the very idea of the project ot a head in a most dramatic way. It must be carefully written , but its not a legal exercise anyway, its essentially just a way to connect these ideas- i think not only does this get the point accross, it starts to make the project even more abstract- it pushes it further ("we just "suggest" who to vote for... its quite funny) 
>>
>>it might make sense to make the announcement of the system "going offline" or not working on election day itself.
>>
>>IF you are to uncomfortable with the legal stuff, take CA and IL out of the lineup, just like New York. You could say that registration has been suspended in these states until you can properly enact this soft money plan.
>>
>>The elections are so close, might as well milk it. 
>>
>>frank
>>
>>James: as for the thesis presentation, i would say forget about trying to gather everything up like its some kind of retrospective of voteacution. start working on the perfect speech to wrap things up on election night. You should just give a press conference- do the voteacution victory sppech. Just get a bunch of confetti and party poppers, a couple banners, a pa system, and bring your DJ rig for good party music. The speech can contextualize everything. You could print out all the press and put int in some three ring binders for people to read. no big deal... this is still a living part of the whole project, no need to embalm it on election day...! time for that later...
>>
>>
>>
>>At 10:12 AM +0200 10/16/00, net_CALLBOY wrote: 
>>>>All,
>>>
>>>hi there
>>>
>>>thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax..
>>>
>>>my opinion:
>>>
>>>:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing 
>>>out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood..
>>>
>>>:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out 
>>>with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment,
>>>so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; 
>>>
>>>---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer 
>>>so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly?
>>>
>>>:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go 
>>>out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... 
>>>
>>>----again, legal check..
>>>----this email should generate the last big wave 
>>>of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. 
>>>
>>>:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal 
>>>side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore?
>>>
>>>----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and 
>>>talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? 
>>>
>>>pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! 
>>>
>>>greetZ
>>>hans_e
>>>
>>>
>>>ps: what exactly is the election date??? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com.
>>>>
>>>>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.)
>>>>
>>>>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction?
>>>>
>>>>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that?
>>>>
>>>>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. 
>>>>
>>>>Possible future strategies:
>>>>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions.
>>>>
>>>>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links.
>>>>
>>>>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. 
>>>>
>>>>---
>>>>
>>>>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. 
>>>>
>>>>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>
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>>>
>>>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html 
>>
>
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:36:18 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
X-Accept-Language: en
To: esingley@siegelgale.com
Subject: Re: unbelievable

Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. We appreciate the public expressing their opinion to us. If you would like the rest of the world to hear your opinion, feel free to use our message board.

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esingley@siegelgale.com wrote:

>You people are so unbelievably fucked up. I just don't even know where to begin.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:36:18 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
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To: esingley@siegelgale.com
Subject: Re: unbelievable

Thank you for your interest in voteauction.com. We appreciate the public expressing their opinion to us. If you would like the rest of the world to hear your opinion, feel free to use our message board.

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esingley@siegelgale.com wrote:

>You people are so unbelievably fucked up. I just don't even know where to begin.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: James M Baumgartner <baumgj@rpi.edu> cc: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: restraining order

great! well, i guess they win--better take illinois right damn off that website. at least pending the soft money thing--when this sort of stupid legal impediment is wiped away....

ray

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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: 

>I just received a phone call from Kris Davis at the law firm of James M. Scanlon & Assoc. (representing the Chicago Board of Elections) They wanted to let me know that I am being named in a lawsuit that will come up on Wednesday seeking a restraining order. The particulars will get to me tomorrow via Fed Ex, and I will be served by the Albany county sheriff later in the week.
>
>oh joy...
>
>James
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To: hans@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, 
admin@rtmark.com
Subject: restraining order

I just received a phone call from Kris Davis at the law firm of James M. Scanlon & Assoc. (representing the Chicago Board of Elections) They wanted to let me know that I am being named in a lawsuit that will come up on Wednesday seeking a restraining order. The particulars will get to me tomorrow via Fed Ex, and I will be served by the Albany county sheriff later in the week.

oh joy...

JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:44:35 -0400
From: Hans Sandberg <nordic-link@home.com> Organization: Sandberg Features
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To: ubermorgen <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Voteauction.com

Hi Hans,

I assume that you have seen the statement from Bill Jones in California. He claims that he has found a way to shut your site down. Is that true? .....

"turn it around, how should voteauction.com know if you are not only using journalism as cover-up for secret service or other .gov work? the probability that we already did interviews with .gov agents is very very high.."

You are right about this. I could be a FBI agent.... it is easy to become paranoid in cyberspace. Maybe we will feel safe the day we all have retinal scanners at our home PC's......

AS far as your name goes... it is out now with the press release from Bill Jones. Sorry.

Regards,

Hans
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
cc: baumgj@rpi.edu, frank@rtmark.com, hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: Re: end-game strategies

Sounds great!!!!

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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, lizvlx wrote:

>
>dear all;
>
>i am here in berlin.
>
>the press is running crazy in media-loving germany.
>
>what do i think about the points/ideas made so far:
>
>. i also would never ever tell anybody that 
>it is not working really. the people shalt believe what they want to believe.
>
>. i would not stop it yet.
>
>. concerning domainbank: i am doing the 
>following:
>. preparing a letter to the domainbank, 
>which will state that we have not been
>contacted formally by any governmental
>bodies, i.e. we would not know what
>laws we are breaking at the moment.
>i will get this cross-checked with a
>laywer in berlin.
>. i will meet the newly-elected icann
>person from germany, namely a member
>of the infamous ccc.org; and discuss
>the issue with him. i see another
>interesting issue in the domainbank thing.* 
>
>. i will also check for an alternative domain 
>for voteauction, so we can always solve the domainbank thing easily anytime in a
>technical kind of way.
>
>i still cant believe in a way that they are all running crazy an this, but then....they always do...
>
>we cant stop now, the media would hate us! 
>
>bestz;
>lizvlx
>
>
>>>All,
>>
>>hi there
>>
>>thankx james for the startup of this discussion.. its getting hotter and hotter, in terms of legal pressure but also in terms of the election running to its final climax..
>>
>>my opinion:
>>
>>:: we should not reveal any details / infos pointing 
>>out that voteauction.com was in any kind fake or a hoax.. the smart journalists already understood that there is a thin line and we are walking it, but the public is in no way interested.. they want action, story, blood..
>>
>>:: we should push it real hard right now.. go out 
>>with a press.release including the mentioning of the legal attacks, including a technique we found to travel around any legal problems [compareable to soft money-transfer between companies and candidates, without contract and without clear order connected to the paiment,
>>so.. we found a way to pay voters who are registered.. we dont ask them to vote for the specific candidate we just make suggestions, or not even that... they should somehow without direct order.. vote the candidate the bidder wants to support... something like that..]; 
>>
>>---> this release needs to be check by a lawyer 
>>so we dont increase our legal troubles... any US-laywers at hand to cross-check such an email quickly?
>>
>>:: then, 4 days before the election, we should go 
>>out and declare that due to legal pressure, the platform was rendered inactive officially to protect the voters and the bidders, but that the transfers will be done offline in an alternative way not to be controlled by voteauction.. and then some blah blahh about how for the next election our system will be legally, economically and technically improved to sustain all possible pressures and problems... 
>>
>>----again, legal check..
>>----this email should generate the last big wave 
>>of confusion and insecurity.. just to show that we are playing the game smart and fast.. 
>>
>>:: we, ubermorgen.com, will be looking into the legal 
>>side of it with laywers in berlin.. although time is running out and we will be in london over the next week-end and only back in berlin on the 23rd of oct. hopefully we find a nice and swell solution for the domain-bank thing.. [alternative would be to take down the content from voteauction.com and put it on votauction.lt or some other out-of-us control domain.. then just have a link from voteauction.com to voteauction.lt, this should be enough for domain-bank to not be involved with it anymore?
>>
>>----liz, do you see any possiblity to contact and 
>>talk to a lawyer this week in berlin?? 
>>
>>pls let me know your opinions.. specially liz's, ray's and frank's opinion would be much appreciated! 
>>
>>greetZ
>>hans_e
>>
>>
>>ps: what exactly is the election date??? 
>>
>>
>>>In light of recent communiques from Domainbank, California, and I'm sure chicago will be following soon, we need to think about what is the proper end-game strategy for voteauction.com.
>>>
>>>First, what was my goal in starting voteauction.com? I wanted to raise awareness/generate discussion about corporate and wealthy individuals influencing the elections by essentially buying candidates. I also wanted the project to be a comment on other issues such as the increasing privatization of formerly public ares, the idea that economic impact should be the ultimate justification for any decision, media selling the viewers to the advertisers, and overall a money obsessed culture (partially resulting from the internet stock boom, which is over, but the money-obsession continues.)
>>>
>>>I think that the first point has been made pretty strongly and some of the articles even got around to the money obsession part. My question is, what do we have to gain or lose from continuing to have the site look like a real auction?
>>>
>>>Gain: continued press attention. But as the site continues, and legal procedings continue, most of this attention will focus on the legal issue of voteauction being a forum for selling votes. Since voteauction is not really a forum for selling votes, what good does it do to have the press focus on that?
>>>
>>>Lose: California, Chicago and possibly other districts could press charges on anyone involved. I would say that conviction is unlikely - no votes are actually being bought or sold, and what do people really mean when they they click the "submit" button on the registration page? But this could result in the subpoena of emails, hard drives and the like. 
>>>
>>>Possible future strategies:
>>>1. Stop the "auction" in California (and Illinois when voteauction receives official notice.) Make an announcement that Democracy is once again safe to flourish in the great state of California now that they have stopped their citizens from doing the same thing that their politicians have been doing for years, provide examples. Continue running the numbers up on the rest of the auctions.
>>>
>>>2. Stop the whole auction. Include announcement above that Democracy is safe to flourish in America, cite examples of how democracy has already been sold, include appropriate links.
>>>
>>>3. Same as 2, but include something about how we were surprised that the California Secretary of State actually believed it was real. Then again, Hillary Clinton and Rick Lazio both fell for the "5 cent email tax" hoax. 
>>>
>>>---
>>>
>>>The email from California was essentially a cease-and-desist letter. I think that ceasing and desisting at this point would result in no prosecution. I realize that telling the press that it is a hoax might be a bad idea, but it is getting harder for me to say that it is for real and keep a straight face. I am sure that at least some of the journalists can tell from looking at the site that it is not for real. Perhaps by "coming clean" we will be able to bring out some of the important issues. If prosecution persists, it will look like big, over-zealous prosecutor going after the wrong people. If we continue to claim that votes are being sold, then the authorities will be more likely to prosecute. We will also have to contend with domainbank, because we will have to proove that we are not conducting an illegal business with our domain name. 
>>>
>>>Those are my thoughts right now. I am interested in hearing other opinions.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>>--
>>
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>>
>>if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38559,00.html 
>
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>
>if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! 
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>
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:11:59 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
X-Accept-Language: en
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: update

Hans,

This newest update removes Illinois from the registration pages. Put it up when you see fit.

Data can be deleted as well.

Public Relations

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:23:38 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
X-Accept-Language: en
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: updates

Hans,

The "sell.php3" and "individualbid.php3" that I gave you earlier were messed up - they disabled the forms altogether. These should be good. They have California and Illinois removed for good measure. 

Public Relations

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To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
cc: liz@ubermorgen.com
Subject: Re: restraining order

I'm still waiting for the FEDEX package to arrive. I'm not really sure what a press release should say. I'm especially not sure about this policeman that is going to question me? I guess that information about that will be in the FED EX package. I don't plan on adding perjury to any charges that they may want to put on me. I suppose I could "plead the fifth" and not answer on grounds of possible self-incrimination. 

I'll let you know what the Fed Ex package says when I get it. What does the email you received say about my questioning? 

James

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>>I just received a phone call from Kris Davis at the law firm of James M. Scanlon & Assoc. (representing the Chicago Board of Elections) They wanted to let me know that I am being named in a lawsuit that will come up on Wednesday seeking a restraining order. The particulars will get to me tomorrow via Fed Ex, and I will be served by the Albany county sheriff later in the week.
>>
>>oh joy...
>
>ohhh yes! what a joy, they really try
>to put pressure on, dont they!
>
>are you afraid?
>
>pls let me know so we can act in our
>collaborative interest..
>
>you should be out of the game anyway..
>
>will put your update up in the next
>hours or so..,
>
>who is gona start to write the press.
>release?
>
>they sent me this shit and put all
>kind of people on it. primitive man!
>
>
>stay strong!
>
>greetZ
>hans
>
>
>>James
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:41:09 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
X-Accept-Language: en
To: Brian Knowlton <knowltonb@washpost.com> Subject: Re: URGENT press inquiry

answers to questions below

Brian Knowlton wrote:

>Hi. I'm the bureau chief of the International Herald Tribune in Washington, D.C.,
>and am working on a story on voteauction.com. 
>
>I need to put some questions to someone. Is there someone I can call this morning?
>
>Or can I at least e-mail you some questions? 
>
>They would be along the lines of:
>
>1) What about the legal challenges? Are you persuaded you're on sound legal ground?
>

we are still looking into this question

>
>2) What about the way this undermines democracy? This would not reflect the people's will,
>but rather the will of the highest bidder. 
>

isn't democracy currently undermined by the soft money system? in the soft money system, the will of the highest bidder is expressed to the candidate. the candidate then makes decisions that profit the highest bidder. the voters are completely left out of the soft money system. they are treated like a product to be sold to the candidates (and their financial backers) by advertising and political consultants. votes are currently treated as a commodity, with our system, the voters are able to cash in on this commodity. 

>
>3) Seriously, what future do you see for voteauction? Do you really expect to survive,
>flourish and expand, and if so, in which directions? 
>

we are looking into expanding into many markets - wherever large sums of money are used to influence an election and votes are treated as a commodity. 

Public Relations

>
>Many thanks,
>Brian Knowlton
>I.H.T.-Washington
>Ph: 202-334-7418
>
>email: knowltonb@washpost.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
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cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com Subject: Re: restraining order

Hans,

I'll be sure to consult with a lawyer as soon as I get the package. 

Perjury is lying under oath, in court, in a deposition, et cetera. 

I am avoiding the press right now until i get a better handle on what is going on.

JamesDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
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To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: voteauction.com / domain-bank/ chicago 

wow! $100,000 -- at least it's not REAL money.... 

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>
>just fyi
>
>seems like domain-bank received the chicago thing.. hehehe.. rolling, rolling..
>
>hans
>
>
>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
>>Reply-To: "Scott Hemphill" <shemphill@domainbank.net> From: "Scott Hemphill" <shemphill@domainbank.net> To: <hans@ubermorgen.com>
>>Cc: "Hal Lubsen" <hlubsen@domainbank.net>, 	"Louis Touton" <touton@icann.org>,
>>	"Dan Halloran" <liaison@icann.org>,
>>	"Bill Wood" <bwood@ss.ca.gov>,
>>	<jscanlon@ameritech.net>
>>Subject: voteauction.com
>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:22:58 -0400
>>Organization: Domain Bank, Inc.
>>X-Priority: 3
>>
>>
>>
>>Luzius A. Bernhard
>>
>>Kurrentgasse 10-22
>>
>>Vienna, AU A-1010
>>
>>Dear Mr. Bernhard:
>>
>>Domain Bank, Inc. has been named as a defendant in a legal action brought by the Board of Election Commissioners of the City of Chicago, et.al., alleging that Domain Bank is complicit in certain felonious activities being conducted at your web site located at <http://www.voteauction.com>www.voteauction.com. 
>>
>>As you know, paragraph 7 of the Domain Bank Service Agreement to which you are a party provides:
>>
>>You agree to defend, indemnify and hold harmless Domain Bank, its affiliates and business partners, and any applicable domain name registry, including without limitation Network Solutions, Inc., and the directors, officers, employees and agents of each of them, from and against any and all claims, actions, losses, damages, expenses and costs, including reasonable attorneys' fees and expenses, arising out of or relating to (i) your domain name registration, (ii) any breach by you of this Agreement, including the Dispute Policy, or (iii) any third party claim, action, or demand related to your domain name or the use thereof.
>>
>>Accordingly, we hereby demand that you provide to Domain Bank an indemnification bond in the amount of $100,000 USD to mitigate our exposure in the above-referenced legal action. You must provide such bond to our offices no later than 1:00 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, October 18, 2000, or else we reserve the right to proceed with the remedies available to us under the Service Agreement. 
>>
>>Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions in regard to this matter.
>>
>>Cordially,
>>
>>M. Scott Hemphill
>>VP & General Counsel
>>Domain Bank, Inc.
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From: Joel Rubinstein <jrubinstein@igc.org> Subject: voteauction.com

Dear Luzius Bernhard,

Is this a joke? Are you trying to make a point, or get attention? Or is this what it claims to be? 

Joel Rubinstein
San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:26:58 -0400
From: Hans Sandberg <nordic-link@home.com> Organization: Sandberg Features
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To: ubermorgen <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Voteauction.com

Hi Hans,

He claims that he has asked ICANN to shut your site down. Tough guy, this Jones. 

My story about Voteauction and the interview will run in both Dagens IT (Sweden) and Politiken (a major Danish daily newspaper.) 

Regards,

Hans
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:00:37 -0400
From: Hans Sandberg <nordic-link@home.com> Organization: Sandberg Features
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To: ubermorgen <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Voteauction.com

Hi again,

Here is the link to the online version of my story for Dagens IT. 

http://www.dagensit.se/pub/pub34_3.asp?art_id=6018 

Take care,

Hans
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To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
cc: liz@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com Subject: Re: Fwd: voteauction.com / domain-bank/ chicago 

All.

DAMN!

I guess that's one way for Chicago to get their way. How could Domain Bank even be held responsible? You are absolutely right about fucking heavy-handed American government tactics. I was a little freaked out for a while, but now I'm just completely pissed off. Fucking sneaky bastards. Are you preparing a new domain name for voteauction? Might be good to have. It will be pretty easy to get the name out, just tell a few press and the traffic will flow somewhere else. 

grrr.

I still haven't been "served" the appropriate paperwork. I think I'll go home and hang around outside of my apartment until the sheriff shows up. 

This reminds me of when McDonalds sued protestors for libel. The protestors didn't have any money, of course so they couldn't fight it. 

I've been working on a new logo for voteauction - I put a big black box over George Washington's mouth. Let me know if you want to use it. 

James

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>
>just fyi
>
>seems like domain-bank received the chicago thing.. hehehe.. rolling, rolling..
>
>hans
>
>
>>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
>>Reply-To: "Scott Hemphill" <shemphill@domainbank.net> From: "Scott Hemphill" <shemphill@domainbank.net> To: <hans@ubermorgen.com>
>>Cc: "Hal Lubsen" <hlubsen@domainbank.net>, 	"Louis Touton" <touton@icann.org>,
>>	"Dan Halloran" <liaison@icann.org>,
>>	"Bill Wood" <bwood@ss.ca.gov>,
>>	<jscanlon@ameritech.net>
>>Subject: voteauction.com
>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:22:58 -0400
>>Organization: Domain Bank, Inc.
>>X-Priority: 3
>>
>>
>>
>>Luzius A. Bernhard
>>
>>Kurrentgasse 10-22
>>
>>Vienna, AU A-1010
>>
>>Dear Mr. Bernhard:
>>
>>Domain Bank, Inc. has been named as a defendant in a legal action brought by the Board of Election Commissioners of the City of Chicago, et.al., alleging that Domain Bank is complicit in certain felonious activities being conducted at your web site located at <http://www.voteauction.com>www.voteauction.com. 
>>
>>As you know, paragraph 7 of the Domain Bank Service Agreement to which you are a party provides:
>>
>>You agree to defend, indemnify and hold harmless Domain Bank, its affiliates and business partners, and any applicable domain name registry, including without limitation Network Solutions, Inc., and the directors, officers, employees and agents of each of them, from and against any and all claims, actions, losses, damages, expenses and costs, including reasonable attorneys' fees and expenses, arising out of or relating to (i) your domain name registration, (ii) any breach by you of this Agreement, including the Dispute Policy, or (iii) any third party claim, action, or demand related to your domain name or the use thereof.
>>
>>Accordingly, we hereby demand that you provide to Domain Bank an indemnification bond in the amount of $100,000 USD to mitigate our exposure in the above-referenced legal action. You must provide such bond to our offices no later than 1:00 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, October 18, 2000, or else we reserve the right to proceed with the remedies available to us under the Service Agreement. 
>>
>>Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions in regard to this matter.
>>
>>Cordially,
>>
>>M. Scott Hemphill
>>VP & General Counsel
>>Domain Bank, Inc.
>><mailto:shemphill@domainbank.com>shemphill@domainbank.com <http://www.domainbank.com>www.domainbank.com 610.317.9606
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:56:23 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
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To: Brian Knowlton <knowltonb@washpost.com> Subject: Re: URGENT press inquiry

Brian Knowlton,

Brian Knowlton wrote:

>Hi. Can I have a name to attach to these quotes (or should I just say, "a spokesman,
>who declined to be named, said ...") ?

"a public relations representative" or something similar would be fine 

>
>And a follow-up question: Your answers seem to imply that you believe you're doing
>a public service by showing up the flaws in the current system. Yet you profit from those
>flaws. Would you be happy if campaign finance-reform did away with what you see
>as your raison d'etre?

if campaign-finance reform did away with our revenue stream, then we would have to find a different revenue stream. this would not make us happy or sad, we would simply have to adjust to accomodate a changing election industry, perhaps we would expand into other area of American privatization. we hear there is discussion of turning public schools over to corporations for more efficient use of public money as well as profit for investors. this is a very interesting area for us, one that we are considering for our next investment. 


>

please feel free to correct the poor english 

>

Public Relations

>
>Many thanks, Brian Knowlton.
>
>Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> on 10/17/2000 11:41:09 AM 
>
>To: Brian Knowlton <knowltonb@washpost.com> cc:
>
>Subject: Re: URGENT press inquiry
>
>answers to questions below
>
>Brian Knowlton wrote:
>
>>Hi. I'm the bureau chief of the International Herald Tribune in 
>Washington,
>>D.C.,
>>and am working on a story on voteauction.com. 
>>
>>I need to put some questions to someone. Is there someone I can call 
>this
>>morning?
>>
>>Or can I at least e-mail you some questions? 
>>
>>They would be along the lines of:
>>
>>1) What about the legal challenges? Are you persuaded you're on sound 
>legal
>>ground?
>>
>
>we are still looking into this question 
>
>>
>>2) What about the way this undermines democracy? This would not reflect the people's will,
>>but rather the will of the highest bidder. 
>>
>
>isn't democracy currently undermined by the soft money system? in the soft money system, the will of the highest bidder is expressed to the candidate. the candidate then makes decisions that profit the highest bidder. the voters
>are completely left out of the soft money system. they are treated like a product to be sold to the candidates (and their financial backers) by advertising and political consultants. votes are currently treated as a commodity, with our system, the voters are able to cash in on this commodity.
>
>>
>>3) Seriously, what future do you see for voteauction? Do you really 
>expect
>>to survive,
>>flourish and expand, and if so, in which directions? 
>>
>
>we are looking into expanding into many markets - wherever large sums of money
>are used to influence an election and votes are treated as a commodity. 
>
>Public Relations
>
>>
>>Many thanks,
>>Brian Knowlton
>>I.H.T.-Washington
>>Ph: 202-334-7418
>>
>>email: knowltonb@washpost.comDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:16:30 -0400
From: Public Relations <pr@voteauction.com> Organization: voteauction.com
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To: baumgj@rpi.edu
CC: hans@ubermorgen.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com, 
frank@rtmark.com
Subject: [Fwd: media]

All,

PR is trying to track down a copy of this tape. For the Austrians: Rush Limbaugh is a very popular, very conservative, talk radio host. He has a 3 hour program that is syndicated across the USA. At the beginning of the Clinton administration, he had a nightly TV show, but his popularity has waned since then.

PR

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: media
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:29:21 -0500
From: "David Rodgers" <daveingb@new.rr.com> To: <info@voteauction.com>

Not 5 minutes ago Rush Limbaugh mentioned your site on his radio show. 10/17/00 1:28 p.m. CDTDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Sender: jrubinstein@pop.igc.org
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:46:12 -0700
To: pr@voteauction.com, ubermorgen <hans@ubermorgen.com> From: Joel Rubinstein <jrubinstein@igc.org> Subject: Re: voteauction.com

Dear Hans,

I heard about voteauction.com on Morning Edition, not Rush Limbaugh. I inspected your site and I am unable to determine if this is an elaborate hoax or a serious commercial venture, so I am asking you directly. 

Is this a joke? Are you trying to make a point, or get attention? Or is this what it claims to be?

Sincerely,

Joel Rubinstein
San Francisco CA USA
Editor, Bay Area Results News

At 11:33 PM 10/17/00 +0200, ubermorgen wrote: 
>>Dear Luzius Bernhard,
>>
>>Is this a joke? Are you trying to make a point, or get attention? Or is this what it claims to be?
>
>dear joel
>
>Not 5 minutes ago Rush Limbaugh mentioned voteauction.com on his radio show. 10/17/00 1:28 p.m. CDT 
>
>are you a journalist?
>if yes, please send your Qs to pr@voteauction.com 
>
>best regards
>
>hans
>ubermorgen.com
>
>
>>Joel Rubinstein
>>San Francisco
>>USADelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: "Wagner, Keith" <kwagner@AccessMagazine.com> To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: Scheduling an interview
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:37:45 -0400
Importance: high
X-Priority: 1



Mr. Bernhard:

I'm an editor at Accessmagazine.com, the daily Web companion to a weekly U.S. newspaper supplement. We report news about the Web and explain what that news means to our readers, and we also provide reviews of interesting and useful sites that we think our readers should visit. 

I'm writing a story slated to be published on Tuesday, Nov. 7, election day here in the U.S., about the Voteauction site and the ideas behind it. Would it be possible to schedule an interview with you, either this week or next? I'd like to speak with your about your reasons for purchasing the site, what you think it will accomplish, both in the U.S. and elsewhere, and what you intend to do with the site beyond the election. 

Please get back to me at your earliest convenience. I look forward to talking with you soon. Regards,
Keith Wagner


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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www.Accessmagazine.com
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Subject: federales

All,

I was just paid a visit by a couple of nice gentlemen from the FBI. They just wanted to talk to me a little bit about voteauction.com, you know, ask a few questions. I've seen too many episodes of "Law & Order" to fall for that one so I told them that I wasn't comfortable talking to them right now.

I also got a call from Fed Ex, the idiots in Chicago sent the package to the wrong address. I called James M. Scanlon & Assoc. and they are going to fax it to me.

Long interview with Albany Times-Union tonight. I was extra careful with my phraseology. On-air interview with BBC at 1:50 AM, Troy time. 

FunDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
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To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Fwd: www.voteauction.com

Delivered-To: liz@ubermorgen.com
Date: 17 Oct 2000 08:53:36 -0000
From: feedback@ubermorgen.com
Reply-To: patrick.hurst@ananova.com
To: liz@ubermorgen.com
Subject: www.voteauction.com

EMAIL.................... patrick.hurst@ananova.com 

NAME..................... Patrick Hurst

NACHRICHT................
FAO Mr Hans Bernhard

Please contact Pat Hurst as quickly as possible re news stories on voteauction.com. 

I work for Ananova.com - formerly the UK Press Association New Media section. 

I am very keen to talk to you about voteauction and the UK. 

Please contact me urgently on 00 44 113 3674564 or 07970 506640 (m). 

Many Thanks.

Pat Hurst.

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From: "Wagner, Keith" <kwagner@AccessMagazine.com> To: ubermorgen <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Cc: pr@voteauction.com
Subject: RE: Scheduling an interview/ voteauction.com Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:58:28 -0400
Importance: high
X-Priority: 1


Dear Hans,

Thanks for the prompt reply. A phone conversation on Tuesday, Oct. 24 would be great. What time would be best for me to call you? When I call, should I make use of the mobile phone number you provided below, or is there another number you'd like me to use? 

Thank you very much for making some time to talk. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards,
Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: ubermorgen [<mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com>mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 3:35 AM To: Wagner, Keith
Cc: pr@voteauction.com
Subject: Re: Scheduling an interview/ voteauction.com Importance: High


>Mr. Bernhard:

dear keith

>I'm an editor at Accessmagazine.com, the daily Web companion to a weekly U.S. newspaper supplement. We report news about the Web and explain what that news means to our readers, and we also provide reviews of interesting and useful sites that we think our readers should visit.
>
>I'm writing a story slated to be published on Tuesday, Nov. 7, election day here in the U.S., about the Voteauction site and the ideas behind it. Would it be possible to schedule an interview with you, either this week or next? I'd like to speak with your about your reasons for purchasing the site, what you think it will accomplish, both in the U.S. and elsewhere, and what you intend to do with the site beyond the election.

i will be available for an interview beginning next week, prefereable on the 24th of october. 

please contact me via my mobile phone:
+43 676 930 00 61 or via email: hans@ubermorgen.com 

best regards

hans bernhard
ubermorgen.com

>Please get back to me at your earliest convenience. I look forward to talking with you soon.
>Regards,
>Keith Wagner
>
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Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: "Leon Aaron Kaplan" <aaron@fastforward.at> To: "net_CALLBOY" <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: tsis is a verrry secret mehl
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:49:46 +0200
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:04:17 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: James M Baumgartner <baumgj@rpi.edu> cc: hans@ubermorgen.com, liz@ubermorgen.com, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: federales

this is really great. this project has been the most amazingly successful ever, its really worked and conveyed all that it was intended to, more or less. frank just happened to open the newspaper on the plane, randomly, and there it was on the second page (international herald tribune). 

and you know, there's nothing really very illegal in what you've done and you don't have to worry too much. good idea not to talk too much to the fbi, but no need to be too worried since all they could find out is that you're engagin in theater....

ray

http://rtmark.com/
Turning information resources into emotional capital. 

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, James M Baumgartner wrote: 

>All,
>
>I was just paid a visit by a couple of nice gentlemen from the FBI. They just wanted to talk to me a little bit about voteauction.com, you know, ask a few questions. I've seen too many episodes of "Law & Order" to fall for that one so I told them that I wasn't comfortable talking to them right now.
>
>I also got a call from Fed Ex, the idiots in Chicago sent the package to the wrong address. I called James M. Scanlon & Assoc. and they are going to fax it to me.
>
>Long interview with Albany Times-Union tonight. I was extra careful with my phraseology. On-air interview with BBC at 1:50 AM, Troy time. 
>
>Fun
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: Jack Kennedy <JackK@xSides.com>
To: "'hans@ubermorgen.com'" <hans@ubermorgen.com> Subject: voteauction.com
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:13:01 -0700


Hello Mr. Barnhard,
I have been researching news stories about voteauction.com, and all of them indicate that your site is still up and running. But when I try to go there, I see that it is not available.
Can you please take a few minutes and tell me briefly what has happened to the site? Did the authorities shut it down, or did you decide perhaps that it wasn't a good idea?
Thanks,
JackDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: "Stinchfield, Grant (NBC)" <grant.stinchfield@nbc.com> To: "'hans@ubermorgen.com'" <hans@ubermorgen.com> Subject: Voteauction.com
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:33:51 -0400


I am doing a story on VOTEAUCTION.COM. Can you please contact me to confirm the site is still up and running.

-Grant
(ph) 860-521-3030 x361
(fax) 860-521-4860



	Because e-mail can be altered electronically, 	the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.Delivered-To: Hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:23:05 +0200 (MEST) From: Gesine Wulf <gewulf@gmx.net>
To: Liz@ubermorgen.com, Hans@ubermorgen.com Subject: ?everything ok?
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-Authenticated-Sender: #0002099064@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [195.170.110.133]
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Servus Liz und Hans,
wollte sowieso noch danken fźr das Interview, und fragen, wie ich Hans eigentlich titulieren soll: Investor? Besitzer? Betreiber? CEO? von vote ... Aber habe gerade gesehen, die Adresse ist down, so: WAS IST DAS? Wann seid Ihr wieder online? Neue Probleme? Der Geheimdienst in Berlin? Bin leicht beunruhigt, und hoffe dringend, dass es keinen Gund dazu gibt. Sondern Ihr munter und realxed seid und die Geschichte auch noch nicht vorbei. Wenn Du das noch bestŠtigen kšnntest und ich wei§, wann die Seite wieder auf dem Bildschrim ist, wŠre das nur gut. Tel: 29381214
es lebe die eRevolution,
Gesine
lizard
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:10:22 +0100
From: anja schnake <aschnake@net-business.de> Reply-To: aschnake@net-business.de
Organization: Net Business
X-Accept-Language: de
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: voteauctio.com

Sehr heehrter Herr Bernhard,

ich bin Journalistin bei der Zeitung Net-Business (Sie erinnern sich vielleicht?) und versuche seit einiger Zeit erfolglos, Sie zu erreichen. 

Bitte rufen Sie mich doch kurz an - ich rufe dann zurźck. Ich hŠtte da ein paar kurze Fragen.

NŠmlich :
Gehšrt Ihnen die Seite "voteauction.com" eigentlich? Woher kommt sie?
Wer hat sie jetzt geschlossen und warum? Ist das ganze nicht Satire?

Ich wŠre Ihnen auch fźr eine kurze Antwort-Mail sehr dankbar. 

Herzliche Grź§e

Anja Schnake

Redaktion Net-Business, Hamburg
Tel: 0049 40 4131-3936
E-Mail: aschnake@net-business.de
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Sender: liz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:47:21 +0200
To: Gesine Wulf <gewulf@gmx.net>
From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: ?everything ok?
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com


hi gesine;

bis auf das dass wir beide nach wie
vor etwas krank sind, is alles ok.

fuer konkretere infos leg dir einen
pgp key zu oder ruf mich an
0175-2066954

bestz
lizvlx

Servus Liz und Hans,
wollte sowieso noch danken fźr das Interview, und fragen, wie ich Hans eigentlich titulieren soll: Investor? Besitzer? Betreiber? CEO? von vote ... Aber habe gerade gesehen, die Adresse ist down, so: WAS IST DAS? Wann seid Ihr wieder online? Neue Probleme? Der Geheimdienst in Berlin? Bin leicht beunruhigt, und hoffe dringend, dass es keinen Gund dazu gibt. Sondern Ihr munter
und realxed seid und die Geschichte auch noch nicht vorbei. Wenn Du das noch bestŠtigen kšnntest und ich wei§, wann die Seite wieder auf dem Bildschrim ist, wŠre das nur gut. Tel: 29381214
es lebe die eRevolution,
Gesine
lizard

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if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! 

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To: sheilaavari@hotmail.com
From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Detroit or New york


dear sheila;

no, we do not have an office in the
states - we are located in vienna
and berlin.

and they way things are going at the
moment, i would not be too sure that
we should be coming to the states
very soon - ...

sorry to dissapoint you there - but
maybe i can help remotely after all?

bestz
lizvlx

EMAIL.................... sheilaavari@hotmail.com 

NAME..................... Sheila Avari

NACHRICHT................ Hello. i read in your website that you may suddenly be appearing in my area. when will you be in Detroit Michigan or New York. Do you have American offices? 

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if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! 

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:59:22 -0700
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: "A.Lizard" <alizard@ecis.com>
Subject: on voteauction.com being taken down 


Domain Bank, an accredited domain name registrar in Bethlehem, Pa., that registered the site, has taken steps to place the domain name on hold, in response to a request from the California secretary of state. The address can no longer be accessed on the East Coast and should disappear completely from the Net in the next couple of days, a Domain Bank spokesman said. 

I suggest you get a new domain name in ANY domain but the US (watch out on the pacific island domains like .to and .nu, most of those domain name servers are hosted in the USA) ... a country that doesn't like the USA might be in order. Or find out if Sealand is running yet. 

A.Lizard
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: PDOMAIN@aol.com
Subject: voteauction.com / vote-auction.com 

hi marc,

you know, it just occurred to both frank and me (who are in barcelona) that voteauction might be just perfect for you to write about for details, rather than struggling to figure out when these super-flaky projects are going to happen. (that's off the record, i didn't say that!) 

you must know about voteauction.com, i think we talked about it, but if you visit either vote-auction.com (if it's up yet) or rtmark.com/allpress.html#vot, you can see a bunch of press about it. and the industry standard just came out with a new article. basically they've shut it down, so its future is unknown--but what's playing out now is the end-game, and something is definitely planned for election day nov. 7 (or night).

the people involved are pr@voteauction.com and hans@ubermorgen.com. hans is the austrian who has bought it, pr@voteauction.com will give you official lines and ideas. also, baumgj@rpi.edu is james baumgartner who started it.

i'm not sure whether hans and james will want to talk about this--and if not, all this will have to have been off the record--but it might be perfect. and the rtmark connection is that james posted it on rtmark as a project (rtmark.com/db.cgi?p=VOTE), it got some investment, and he went ahead with it. we helped out a bit with strategizing but when it went overseas it went out of our sphere of control... but it makes some beautiful points, really works as a project... 

again, this is only if james and hans want to talk about it, but seems like a great opportunity for all...

what do you think?
ray

http://rtmark.com/
Turning information resources into emotional capital.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: pr@voteauction.com, hans@ubermorgen.com, baumgj@rpi.edu, frank@rtmark.com Subject: Re: voteauction.com / vote-auction.com 

FYI: that's a reporter for details, writing a feature on rtmark for the december or so issue, looking for something active to cover.... figured voteauction would be perfect as the kind of thing, and it will be far enough into the future... feel free to tell him that you don't want to talk, we'll cancel the subject and he'll write about something else, but it seems great....

and the only exaggeration is that some rtmark funding came through... quite a stretch but oh well...

http://rtmark.com/
Turning information resources into emotional capital. 

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, RTMark admin wrote: 

>hi marc,
>
>you know, it just occurred to both frank and me (who are in barcelona) that voteauction might be just perfect for you to write about for details, rather than struggling to figure out when these super-flaky projects are going to happen. (that's off the record, i didn't say that!) 
>
>you must know about voteauction.com, i think we talked about it, but if you visit either vote-auction.com (if it's up yet) or rtmark.com/allpress.html#vot, you can see a bunch of press about it. and the industry standard just came out with a new article. basically they've shut it down, so its future is unknown--but what's playing out now is the end-game, and something is definitely planned for election day nov. 7 (or night).
>
>the people involved are pr@voteauction.com and hans@ubermorgen.com. hans is the austrian who has bought it, pr@voteauction.com will give you official lines and ideas. also, baumgj@rpi.edu is james baumgartner who started it.
>
>i'm not sure whether hans and james will want to talk about this--and if not, all this will have to have been off the record--but it might be perfect. and the rtmark connection is that james posted it on rtmark as a project (rtmark.com/db.cgi?p=VOTE), it got some investment, and he went ahead with it. we helped out a bit with strategizing but when it went overseas it went out of our sphere of control... but it makes some beautiful points, really works as a project... 
>
>again, this is only if james and hans want to talk about it, but seems like a great opportunity for all...
>
>what do you think?
>ray
>
>http://rtmark.com/
>Turning information resources into emotional capital. 
>
>
>
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:25:47 +0100
From: Thomas Weber <weber.thomas@news.at> Reply-To: weber.thomas@news.at
Organization: News Verlags GesmbH
X-Accept-Language: de
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: anfrage
X-Priority: 2 (High)

hey hans!

ich such fźr einen artikel zum thema "hobby domain-sammeln" leute, die mehrere domains haben (mindestens 5), die vielleicht auch noch mšglichst cool klingen oder kommerziell wirklich vielversprecend sind ?

kann da nŠmlich klarerweise nicht nur freunde vorstellen 

okay, das wars schon...
schšnes wochenende und merci beaucoup
th
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: PDOMAIN@aol.com
Subject: Re: voteauction.com / vote-auction.com 

p.s. of course pr@voteauction.com doesn't work anymore, silly me.... the other two are good though.

http://rtmark.com/
Turning information resources into emotional capital. 

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, RTMark admin wrote: 

>hi marc,
>
>you know, it just occurred to both frank and me (who are in barcelona) that voteauction might be just perfect for you to write about for details, rather than struggling to figure out when these super-flaky projects are going to happen. (that's off the record, i didn't say that!) 
>
>you must know about voteauction.com, i think we talked about it, but if you visit either vote-auction.com (if it's up yet) or rtmark.com/allpress.html#vot, you can see a bunch of press about it. and the industry standard just came out with a new article. basically they've shut it down, so its future is unknown--but what's playing out now is the end-game, and something is definitely planned for election day nov. 7 (or night).
>
>the people involved are pr@voteauction.com and hans@ubermorgen.com. hans is the austrian who has bought it, pr@voteauction.com will give you official lines and ideas. also, baumgj@rpi.edu is james baumgartner who started it.
>
>i'm not sure whether hans and james will want to talk about this--and if not, all this will have to have been off the record--but it might be perfect. and the rtmark connection is that james posted it on rtmark as a project (rtmark.com/db.cgi?p=VOTE), it got some investment, and he went ahead with it. we helped out a bit with strategizing but when it went overseas it went out of our sphere of control... but it makes some beautiful points, really works as a project... 
>
>again, this is only if james and hans want to talk about it, but seems like a great opportunity for all...
>
>what do you think?
>ray
>
>http://rtmark.com/
>Turning information resources into emotional capital. 
>
>
>
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: "Bruno Garattoni- Folha de S. Paulo" <bsayeg@folhasp.com.br> To: <hans@ubermorgen.com>,
	<baumgj@rpi.edu>
Subject: (URGENT) PRESS REQUEST
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:03:32 -0200
X-Priority: 1

Att. Mr Hans Bernhard
copy: Mr James Baumgarter

Dear Hans,
My name is Bruno Garattoni and I work for Folha de S. Paulo, Brazil's largest newspaper. I am writing a story about Voteauction.com and I would like you to comment on the preliminary injunction obtained by the Chicago Board of Elections.
I've been trying to reach you during the last few days. Could you call me today? (+55 11 224 3791) Also, I'll keep checking my messages during the weekend, so feel free to email me your remarks if that's easier.

Thank you,
Bruno S. Garattoni
Folha de S. Paulo- computers section
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:06:45 -0500
From: "Dennis Chaptman" <dchaptma@onwis.com> To: <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Seeking comment on voteauction.com 

Sir,

I am a reporter with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in Wisconsin and am seeking your comment about criticisms directed at voteauction.com by state legal and election officials in the US. I understand you are the Hans Bernhard who is behind the venture. Is this true? I am also interested in hearing about the details of the operation, what you think the future is for this venture, and whether or not it is still online. 

Could you contact me as soon as possible, by phone or email? 

Dennis Chaptman
Statehouse reporter
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Madison Bureau 608-258-2262 (voice)
608-258-2260 (fax)Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Bloom <jbloom76@yahoo.com>
Subject: voteauction.com
To: hans@ubermorgen.com

Hello Mr. Bernhard,

I am writing an article on voteauction and I would like to include your point of view. It is probably easiest to answer questions by e-mail, so here they are.
If you would like to contact me, please call (617)583-1335 during work hours and (617) 661-4846 during evenings.

1. Do you feel that Domain Bank was acting within the law to shut down voteauction.com?

2. Why didn't you defend the site in the Chicago courts?

3. What are your plans now? Will you fight to get the site back on the web?

4. What will happen to votes that were already sold? 

5. Do you understand why people would view the site as a violation of the democratic process?

6. What was your aim for the site?

7. Do you acknowledge that voteauction was illegal? 

Thank you for your time.
Jon Bloom

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Date: 20 Oct 2000 18:42:46 -0000
From: "Joe User" <joe_user@disinfo.net>
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Originating-IP: [24.169.218.75]
Subject: public key

Hans,

Here's my public key.

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_____________________________________________________________ Email your boss can't read - sign up for free disinfo.net email at http://www.disinfo.com, your gateway to the undergroundDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
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To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: Thom Wysong <tgw@technodemocracy.org> Subject: VoteAuction.com -- Still Accessible? X-Loop-Detect: 1


I see that the VoteAuction.com domain name has been removed from the main DNS servers in the US and is no longer accessible using the traditional type-the-domain-name-into-the-browser method. Is the VoteAuction.com website still accessible using a direct IP address? If so, what is it? 

Thanks.
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:22:45 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: Mark Anderson <mkanders@javanet.com> Subject: Re: URGENT: Voteauction interview request 

oops, what a backwards mail-reading system i have. we'll be happy, again, to speak about this. what specifically would you like? rtmark was involved in a limited way, as is appropriate: it was listed as an rtmark project, got a certain amount of funding help, and wealso helped to lubricate certain transactions, such as the transfer to austrian ownership. like any rtmark-sponsored project, it really hasn't been under our control.

please feel free to ask more

ray

http://rtmark.com/
Turning information resources into emotional capital. 

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Mark Anderson wrote: 

>Hi. I'm writing to request that you please call this journalist attempting to get the WHOLE story on Voteauction.com... I spoke with James Baumgartner this afternoon, and he was kind enough to give me 24 hours before he spills the beans to the rest of the world. So I'm hoping that since WIRED has been most assiduously following the story all along, we'd also be able to get your perspective in as well on the final article on Voteauction.
>
>I look forward, I hope, to speaking with you sometime today. 
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Anderson
>
>
>
>----------------
>Mark K. Anderson
>Northampton, Mass.
>mkanders@javanet.com
>413-586-8961 voice
>253-399-3201 fax
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: "Voteauction Booth is Closed"
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 00 10:34:29 -0400
x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com
From: Mark Anderson <mkanders@javanet.com> Bcc:

>Just Kidding, Really!
>Voteauction Booth is Closed
>The vote buy-and-sell website shuts down after a district court in Illinois slaps it with an injunction. Accused of illegally trafficking votes, its creator now says the whole thing was a joke. By Mark K. Anderson. 

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Ę <http://ln.doubleclick.net/jump/wn.ln/f;h=f;sz=600x60;tile=1;pos=1;!category=adult;ord=1216324973?>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Sender: liz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:23:48 +0200
To: Oskar Obereder <oskar@sil.at>
From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: Injunction Order (fwd)
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com

yo, das waer gut denk ich.

momentaner status ist, dass der james baumgartner "umgefallen" ist, i.e. er ko-operiert voll mit den behoerden, damit er keinen stress bekommt. die einzige sache, wo er sich noch bemueht die nazi-behoerden zu bekaempfen ist bzgl der weitergabe der userdaten. "sein anwalt bemueht sich die weitergabe der userdaten zu verhindern". 

d.h. james ist voll aus der sache raus, er hat uns gebeten die sache fuer die naechsten 2 wochen oder so leise zu machen, da die leute vom FBI sonst "suspicious" werden...denen gefaellt das nicht, dass auslaender an der sache arbeiten...hehe

den gefallen mit den 2 wochen ruhe koennen wir dem james leider nicht machen, sonst ist die sache tot. 

vote-auction.com ist wieder live, momentan ist eine zwischenseite drauf, ich arbeite an einen redesign das heute live gehen sollte und ausserdem an einem press release der unbedingt heute rausgehen muss {sonst sauft usn die sache pressetechnisch ab}. 

das zum status quo.

insofern waer auch meine frage, ob und wie ich dich bzw. silverserver in einem press release inkludiern koennte/duerfte...?

greets
liz

hallo,

wenn es hilfreich ist kann ich unseren anwalt fragen ob es ihn interrressiert.

cu o.

hi o;

danke fuer tif, wir werden schauen muessen ob wir uns einen laywer vor ort organisieren sollten fuer dieses hearing am 30. oktober. 

hab ansonsten noch versucht dich zu erreichen, wollt npch kurz sozusagen strategie besprechen.. 

bestz
liz
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>yo, das waer gut denk ich.

o.k will do on monday. feedback kommt bis mo abend. 

>momentaner status ist, dass der james baumgartner "umgefallen" ist, i.e. er ko-operiert voll mit den behoerden, damit er keinen stress bekommt. die einzige sache, wo er sich noch bemueht die nazi-behoerden zu bekaempfen ist bzgl der weitergabe der userdaten. "sein anwalt bemueht sich die weitergabe der userdaten zu verhindern". 
>
>d.h. james ist voll aus der sache raus, er hat uns gebeten die sache fuer die naechsten 2 wochen oder so leise zu machen, da die leute vom FBI sonst "suspicious" werden...denen gefaellt das nicht, dass auslaender an der sache arbeiten...hehe
>
>den gefallen mit den 2 wochen ruhe koennen wir dem james leider nicht machen, sonst ist die sache tot. 

klar, wenn du elections am 7.11.00 sind, muessen wir vorher actions machen.

>vote-auction.com ist wieder live, momentan ist eine zwischenseite drauf, ich arbeite an einen redesign das heute live gehen sollte und ausserdem an einem press release der unbedingt heute rausgehen muss {sonst sauft usn die sache pressetechnisch ab}. 
>
>das zum status quo.
>
>insofern waer auch meine frage, ob und wie ich dich bzw. silverserver in einem press release inkludiern koennte/duerfte...?

SILVER SERVER supportet die sache zu 100%, klaro. 

Du kannst aujedenfall schreiben: SILVER SERVER president, o.o; is proud to be the billing contact for voteauction.com; actually we got verry interessting offerts by investors to launche vote-auction in russia and japan. 

bst o.

>greets
>liz
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>>hallo,
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>>wenn es hilfreich ist kann ich unseren anwalt fragen ob es ihn interrressiert.
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>>cu o.
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>>>hi o;
>>>
>>>danke fuer tif, wir werden schauen muessen ob wir uns einen laywer vor ort organisieren sollten fuer dieses hearing am 30. oktober. 
>>>
>>>hab ansonsten noch versucht dich zu erreichen, wollt npch kurz sozusagen strategie besprechen.. 
>>>
>>>bestz
>>>liz
>>>+49-175-2066954
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>Subject: Injunction Order
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From: "Wagner, Keith" <kwagner@AccessMagazine.com> To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: Interview confirmation
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:14:35 -0400
Importance: high
X-Priority: 1


Dear Hans,

I'm writing to confirm our telephone interview for tomorrow, and wanted to see when would be the best time for us to speak. I also wanted to confirm that I had the correct mobile number: 43-676-930-00-61. 

I've received the latest press release regarding the change in your domain name, which I've read over with some interest. 

Please let me know when is the best time for me to call you. I'm very much looking forward to our conversation. Regards,
Keith

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Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: Chevy59Tom@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:56:09 EDT
Subject: Bayonets in the Sand
To: hans@ubermorgen.com

Dear Vote Auction creator,

Soldiers on the beaches of Normandy may have died so that you would have the opportunity, the freedom, to create such an animal as voteauction.com. 

What you have done is: subverted the very system which gave you a right to express yourself.

I knew some of those men. They didn't die so the American system of government (free elections) could be undermined by profiteers, poaching, prostituting the weak.

My neighbor went ashore in 1944 at night to set up communication lines, buried in the sand for the morning assault. He risked his life so you could whore yourself. How proud are you of that ? 
American blood carrying your perversions on our system. I'm not going to threaten you, I'm just going to beat you, somehow, with the help of God, the faith of a sling and a rock against Goliath, somehow, I will beat you and destroy your idea, your trash.
If General Patton were alive today, he'd be kicking your butt with the same one he wore to kick Hitler.
I hereby condemn your efforts and wish that your prurient, misguided deeds wind up in Hell with Hitler and the rest who have tried to destroy the American system of freedom.
The bayonets in the sand were to find land mines, in the dark.Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
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To: hans@ubermorgen.com, admin@rtmark.com, frank@rtmark.com, 
moni@ubermorgen.com, o@sil.at, aaron@lo-res.org From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: nice article

dears
read below this really nice article...

best
lizvlx

http://technodemocracy.org/people/tgw/docs/voteauction-whackamole.html 

VoteAuction.com & The Whack-A-Mole Defense 

By Thom Wysong

7:00 AM EDT, 22 October 2000

Only a day ago some were declaring that VoteAuction.com was dead. It's not so. It never was.

Earlier this year the web site stirred up controversy when the site, and the New York based graduate student who created it, first came to the public's attention. When New York authorities threatened legal action, the web site was temporarily shut down. Ownership of the site was transferred to an Austrian entrepreneur who promptly re-opened the web site running on a server in Bulgaria - out of the reach of American authorities. Or, so it seemed.

The weak link in their plan was that Domain Bank, the company that controlled their DNS entry, was based in the State of Pennsylvania. Last week, the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners took advantage of this weak link and obtained a court order forcing the US based company to remove VoteAuction.com from their Domain Name System (DNS). This action rendered the site unreachable by most people. But it did not shut the web site down, as was erroneously reported. 

For those not familiar with DNS, this is analogous to someone's name being removed from the telephone directory - their telephone is still hooked up, but people can no longer look that person's name up in the directory. To call that person you need to find the phone number from some other source, or simply remember what it was. But, you can still call the person.

With the VoteAuction.com site, the same was true. In other words, even after the DNS entry had been deleted, the original VoteAuction.com website was still accessible from the Internet by those who knew how to find the website's "phone number" (its IP address) using such tools as a WHOIS search and a DNS lookup. 

However, to see what's posted on the website it's no longer necessary to track down its IP address. A few days ago, on 18 October 2000, the people behind VoteAuction.com registered a new domain name - apparently as a backup for the one they realized might get removed from DNS. The new domain name is simply Vote-Auction.com. All they did was add a hyphen.

However, this time they didn't make the same mistake with their DNS company. On this second go 'round they registered with a division of CSL GmbH, based in Germany, which supplies domain names in cooperation with CORE, based in Switzerland. With the web site now administered from Austria, served from Bulgaria, and registered in Germany and Switzerland, it appears that this new Vote-Auction.com site will be much more resistant to the US legal system than its predecessor was.

One thing that was interesting about the old VoteAuction.com web site was that, even though its DNS entry had been deleted, the web site itself remained reachable on Friday and Saturday by those who had the technical expertise to do so. However, in place of the regular web site, visitors were greeted with a message stating "URGENT NOTICE TO ALL VOTE-AUCTIONEERS: vote-auction.com services had been temporarily offline". And below this text was a graphic image showing part of the Temporary Restraining Order from the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners and the Illinois court. This alternate content was present on the original VoteAuction.com web site and the new Vote-Auction.com web site for at least part of Friday and most of Saturday. Then, first thing Sunday morning, the new Vote-Auction.com site began displaying the data from the original web site and a new press release explaining the events of the past week from Vote-Auction.com's perspective.

One thing that is noticeable about the revived site is that it appears to be listing information for both the State of New York and the State of Illinois. The information from New York had previously been removed after state officials had threatened legal action. And, it could reasonably be assumed that information for Illinois would have also been removed as a response to last week's court order. However, since information for both states seem to be listed, and it appears new entries can be created for both buying and selling votes in these states, the site's operators seem to be signaling they believe they are safely out-of-reach of US officials. 

Another thing that is interesting about the new Vote-Auction.com web site is that it was up and running on Friday - the same day the original domain name was shut down. In other words, the web site got shut down in one place and popped up somewhere else. On the Internet, this has become known as the "whack-a-mole" technique - named after a popular arcade game. With the game, a little plastic critter pops up from one hole in a grid of holes, the player "whacks" it down into its hole with a rubber mallet, and the critter instantly pops back up from a different hole. Every time the mole is whacked down, it pops up somewhere else.


Whack-A-Mole is used as a defense strategy on the Internet when some entity attempts to suppress information it considers illegal or unethical, but which others consider to be legitimate. When one source of the information is shut down, one or more copies of it appear elsewhere - almost instantaneously. The more valuable the information is believed to be, the more vigorously this technique is applied.

With the arcade game, there is a linear correlation between the moles going down and the moles popping up - one mole pops up for every mole hit down. However, on the Internet, there is potentially an exponential correlation - many "moles" can pop up for every "mole" hit down.

A paper entitled Whack-A-Mole In Action ( http://technodemocracy.org/people/tgw/docs/whackamole.html ) offers a number of quotes and links on the technique as it has been used to propagate a computer program known as DeCSS, which can read DVD disks without a DVD player. There is a difference between DeCSS and VoteAuction.com in that one is static information that can be copied and the other is an active web site. However, the technique has been applied in both cases.

As for the new Vote-Auction.com, there are reports that it not only intends to continue trafficking in US votes, but that it also may be expanding to the UK, Germany, Russia, Japan, and worldwide. Whether or not they will succeed remains to be seen. My guess is they won't. There are just too many ways to defeat such a mechanism as a vote auction. And, the best ways have nothing to do with restraining orders. But I'll leave that topic for another day. 

Thanks goes to Adi Fairbank for providing assistance in sleuthing out the old VoteAuction.com site after its DNS entry was deleted. 

© Copyright 2000 by Thom G. Wysong
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Ę <http://ln.doubleclick.net/jump/wn.ln/f;h=f;sz=600x60;tile=1;pos=1;!category=adult;ord=1254621082?>Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:17:58 -0400
From: Hans Sandberg <nordic-link@home.com> Organization: Sandberg Features
X-Accept-Language: en,pdf
To: Hans Bernhard <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Game over?

Hi Hans,

Who turned out the light? I tried to log on to Voteauction.com, but got the "Unknown Host" message.
Did the Domainbank drop you? What's next? Game over? 

Sincerely,

Hans
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From: Fou Bal Chu <foo@bar.com>
To: hans <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:02:39 "GMT"
Subject: hehehe standard

Dieses Email sendet Ihnen Fou Bal Chu

Ein Service von derStandard.at

hallo, nett, dasz der standard auch meint, dasz ideen free sind :)) ari. 

24.10.2000 09:50:00

Bush oder Gore?

derStandard.at startet die Wahlbšrse zu den PrŠsidentschaftswahlen in den USA 

Die Wahlbšrse ist eršffnet. George W. Bush oder Al Gore? Drei Mal standen sich die beiden Kandidaten in einem TV-Duell gegenźber, drei Mal gelang keinem der gro§e Coup. Es steht zwei zu eins fźr VizeprŠsident Gore - die WechselwŠhler zieren sich bis zum letzten Tag. 

In welchen Kandidaten wźrden Sie investieren? derStandard.at wźnscht viel Spa§ beim <http://62.116.31.119:9673/Skins/Wahlfieber/Trade/market?theme=wf>Traden. 

Link zum Artikel: <http://derstandard.at?URL=%2Fdyn%2Faktuell%2Farticle%2Easp%3Fid%3D368003%26channel%3DPOLITIK%26ressort%3DWahlfieber>Bush oder Gore? 

Quelle: ©2000 derStandard.atDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re:

wow, yes, we should make a page on rtmark about voteauction.com, i'll do this tomorrow, then i'll tell you it's there, ok? then you can link or tell about that if you like...
wheee
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http://rtmark.com/
Turning information resources into emotional capital. 

On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>>FYI: that's a reporter for details, writing a feature on rtmark for the december or so issue, looking for something active to cover.... figured xxxxxxxxxx would be perfect as the kind of thing, and it will be far enough into the future... feel free to tell him that you don't want to talk, we'll cancel the subject and he'll write about something else, but it seems great....
>>
>>and the only exaggeration is that some rtmark funding came through... quite a stretch but oh well...
>
>ok, thx for contact..
>
>btw, you want us to feature RTMark.com as investor? we can/i would like to/ do that, no pro.. etoy is also investing into this project, heheheh.. although mister zai is sending out emails to journalists, claiming that i am a fired unimportant ex-employee of etoy, doing low-quality projects.. hehehe.. what a nasty thing to do, isnt it? heheheh again.. 
>
>no, tell me how much you wanna be related.. in some cases it might be good to feature RTMark.com in return on the support of the project! if you want that.. we all want publicity, dont we, hehehe.. 
>
>tonite, we have live CNN interview on air/TV, they are very much interested in the legal stuff.. we will talk to them..
>
>greetz
>hans
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To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
From: "A.Lizard" <alizard@ecis.com>
Subject: Re: on voteauction.com being taken down 

At 15:08 2000-10-24 +0200, you wrote:
Domain Bank, an accredited domain name registrar in Bethlehem, Pa., that registered the site, has taken steps to place the domain name on hold, in response to a request from the California secretary of state. The address can no longer be accessed on the East Coast and should disappear completely from the Net in the next couple of days, a Domain Bank spokesman said. 

I suggest you get a new domain name in ANY domain but the US (watch out on the pacific island domains like .to and .nu, most of those domain name servers are hosted in the USA) ... a country that doesn't like the USA might be in order. Or find out if Sealand is running yet. 

hi a.l

thx for the tip, please read our press.release 

thanks

and visit http://www.vote-auction.com

What's to stop the same bunch that took your registration down last time from doing the same with vote-auction.com? Remember that the city of Chicago has from your viewpoint, essentially unlimited legal resources and is likely to get cooperation from US authorities. 

While it's possible that they might attempt to block access to a foriegn domain, I don't even think the US government would be willing to try something with a 100% guarantee of massive trouble. 

A.Lizard


yourZ truly
hans bernhard



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

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Vote-auction.com back online

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Berlin, October 22, 2000

Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it.

You can also find this press release at
http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm

For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. 

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[V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com 

The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain 

http://www.vote-auction.com

During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry.

The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project.


[V] Sue 'em 'til they drop...

The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue:

. domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where 
the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. 

. silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as 
well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. 


[V] (Il)legal Battle?

It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN.

We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. 

Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives.

Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: 

"SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. 
SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan."


[V] Users give full support - despite potential respression 

Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users.

Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud".


[V] Where to go from here

Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide.


For the Vote-auction.com team:

lizvlx
[V]ote-auction.com


PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via 
web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: 

pr@vote-auction.com
http://www.vote-auction.com

We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you.


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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:01:16 +0200
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: Walter van der Cruijsen - Desk <wvdc@desk.org> Subject: http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Bloom <jbloom76@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: voteauction.com
To: ubermorgen <hans@ubermorgen.com>

Thank you for responding.

I am working on this article for the Boston Globe. But I am not on staff at the Globe. I am working on this article as a freelance writer. You can contact Sunday Focus Editor Christine Chinlund to verify this. Her number is 617 929 3134.

best,
Jonathan Bloom



--- ubermorgen <hans@ubermorgen.com> wrote: 
>>Hello Mr. Bernhard,
>
>dear jon
>
>attached the latest press.release. for forther As on your Qs, please let me know for which magazine/publication you write and give me their phone-number, so i can quickly verify this; 
>
>thx!
>
>best regards
>hans bernhard
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>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
>
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>Vote-auction.com back online
>
>
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>
>Berlin, October 22, 2000
>
>Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com
>[formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant
>information on the latest developments of the site and the
>people and users behind it.
>
>You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm
>
>For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954.
>
>
>
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>[V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live
>Vote-auction.com
>
>The "Leader of the Election Industry",
>vote-auction.com
>has regained access to the web via its new domain 
>
>http://www.vote-auction.com
>
>During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has
>been passed concerning the website which explores the
>high-risk consumer markets of the American election
>industry.
>
>The site's original domain had been ordered shut down
>by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois
>earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took
>their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost
>everybody related to the existence of the website, the
>owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy
>paper for version 2.0 of the project.
>
>
>[V] Sue 'em 'til they drop...
>
>The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every
>effort to get the site out of service during the last
>2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project,
>James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans
>Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest
>to sue:
>
>. domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where
>the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered.
>It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. 
>
>. silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as
>well as of one of the top technical staff are also named
>defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is
>vote-auction.com's internet access provider. 
>
>
>[V] (Il)legal Battle?
>
>It remains open for discussion how it should be possible
>that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider
>could ever be responsible for contents accessible via
>domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total
>violation of standards set by ICANN.
>
>We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's
>name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of
>repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline.
>
>Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to
>work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain-
>bank being involved in the legal case, the provider
>"politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs.
>Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we
>asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain
>to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by
>domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain-
>bank's executives.
>
>Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide
>you with a clear statement from their president: 
>
>"SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com.
>SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing
>contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very
>interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com
>in russia and japan."
>
>
>[V] Users give full support - despite potential respression
>
>Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their
>support in various emails. This is another reason why
>we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S.
>legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on
>protecting any data which has been submitted to us by
>trusting users.
>
>Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to
>user rights. The court has ordered all data of users
>registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually
>for so-called "voter fraud".
>
>
>[V] Where to go from here
>
>Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services
>to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November
>this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready
>
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X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:47:38 +0200
To: CoolRussells2@aol.com
From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: Q and A


dear coolrussels,

what we do is:
. sign you up as a voter
. combine all the votes from one state into a vote block . then bidders start an auction on the block of votes . then the bidder and the voters make the deal 
directly with each other.

best
lizvlx

So you will send me money for my vote?

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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To: Jacob Everist <jeverist@fairtunes.com> From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: voting idea

we are currently working on software
solutions to allow for processes
like the one you have described.

best
lizvlx

Read this:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/10/21/1722227&cid=54 

This is actually kind of cool.

I live in a swing state and I'd love to trade my vote with someone in a non-swing state to vote for an independent. You think you could facilitate this?


--
Jacob Everist
jeverist@fairtunes.com

http://www.fairtunes.com

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:04:27 +0200
To: Dale Lezon <ctydpl@chron.com>
From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: help


dear dale,

here a few answers to your questions. please understand that i cannot go into full detail on every question, as my time is limited. 

best
lizvlx
ceo ubermorgen.com

my name is dale lezon. i'm a reporter with the houston chronicle newspaper in houston, texas. i'd like to talk with you about the web site.

ok.

specifically, i'd like to find out how many, if any, people in houston and/or texas have auctioned their votes or how many people in houston and/or texas have contacted the site. 

yes, there are people from texas who have registered to get their votes into the auction. i cannot give eexact figures at this moment, but i can tell you that regarding texas the following is true: more people from texas have interest in buying votes than in selling votes. 

with texas governor Bush running, the site is of speical interest to texans. here are a few questions. if you would answer them, i'd appreciate it.

ok.

have any votes been auctioned? is the site a satire on the u.s. political system?

the auction process has not taken place yet as we want to delver best prices to our
users. and those prices can only be reached the closer to election day.
and, the elections industry sure is no
satire, neither are we.

is it a money-making project? where did the idea for the site originate? 

yes, it is profit-oriented. as with any business, yyou do not make money from day one. at the moment we consider ourselves being in the process of "investing into the idea". we are planning on making profits by mid next year. 

the original idea of the site is by james baumgartner. he sold the project to us after getting into troubles with new york auhorities. james baumgartner is an art student in upstate new york.

does the site contain all the u.s. federal, state and local elections? 

yup. that means: in the backend: yes. for the users, at this moment, only our testmarket, the current us elections are open to the public.

does it contain elections from other countires? 

as above - we are planning on going public with other elections in mid-november.

The judge ordered the website shut down; is that why i can't scoll down to auction offerings?

no. this is only due to technical upgrades. 

who owns the site?

the domain owner is hans bernhard, the holding company of the site is ubermorgen.com.

if you could answer these questions and contact me i would appreciate it. you can e-mail or call me at 1-713-220-7523. thank you, dale. 

you are wwelcome,

best
lizvlx

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:30:32 +0200
To: Charles Platt <cp@panix.com>
From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: publicity
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com


dear charles,

yup, who ever imagined they would give
us 20 minuntes on CNN at lunchtime...

the best way still to get a new domain name marketed.

i just took a look at the website of the board of ecelctions, chicago. they are an independent agency responsible only for the election process in chicago and cook county, and their yearly budget is USD 20 million!!! 

incredibly bad work they must be doing, having such a budget and still so little people using their personal right to vote.

as regards to your question . . .
But, I'm wondering what your plans are, AFTER the election. At that time, assume events may unfold a little more slowly.

. . . as you might imagine, we will be doing a major event on election day, which will also be the day when our vote-auctions will take place.

and after that, we will be working on all the data gathered within the elections. and then, there will be elections in canada on nov. 27th, it seems quite probable that we will get engaged there. 

also, we will be working out a business plan after nov. 7th, and decide on our future cash-flow model..

maybe we will still need to do some more work on the legal side, maybe the winds in those seas will have calmed down after nov. 7th. 

and also, we will then be able [after nov.7th], to devote more time to our other projects, such as etoy. 

best
lizvlx





Hi--

I've been following your exploits with amusement and amazement. Who would have thought that you'd get people so excited? I always assumed that votes are bought routinely in the political process. 

I'm a senior writer at Wired magazine. Unfortunately Wired has a very long lead time (usually, 3 months from the time I start researching and writing, to the date when the article is published). Consequently I cannot write about topical, fast-moving events. 

But, I'm wondering what your plans are, AFTER the election. At that time, I assume events may unfold a little more slowly. 

--Charles Platt

PS. Sure hope you have vote_auction.com registered. Just in case. 

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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To: SImparl@aol.com
From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: one other thing about voteauction 

you can just go to http://63.86.111.157/ ehich is the website of the chicago board of elections. you can find there a link
to the legal papers.
best
lizvlx

In a message dated 10/23/2000 9:37:08 AM Central Daylight Time, pr@vote-auction.com writes:

yup, thanks...!

>Welcome back online!

Do you have a copy of the Illinois court order that you can send to me? 

Thanks,

Steve Imparl

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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To: brandaide@on.aibn.com
From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: Canadian Federal election

thank you very much for this
information.
very appreciated.

best
lizvlx

The Federal election in Canada will take place on Nov 27th!!!! 

Canada is the best wired country in the world with over 70% of its population with internet access!!

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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To: "Leo Cabana" <leocabana@hotmail.com> From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: question


hi back,

thanks for your question.

answers:

How does vote-aution.com ensure that a purchased vote will be cast for the candidate that the buyer wishes?

the exact way of solving this will be a question between the seller and the bidder. if a bidder wants to be extra-sure, then maybe he will ask for soome proof.

I don't understand what would prevent me from selling a vote then voting as I please anyway. Is come kind of absentee-voting system employed? The viability of the vote-selling "industry" would seem to hinge on this issue. 

the vote-selling industry is working now, has been working for years. there is no need to vote differently to what you are being paid for. if you are a rat, you will break your oath, if you are a moral person, you will not. this is soft money. relationships of trust. 

best
lizvlx



Thanks,
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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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To: "A.Lizard" <alizard@ecis.com> (by way of net_CALLBOY) From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: on voteauction.com being taken down 

dear a-l

regarding your question,

What's to stop the same bunch that took your registration down last time from doing the same with vote-auction.com? Remember that the city of Chicago has from your viewpoint, essentially unlimited legal resources and is likely to get cooperation from US authorities. 

the registry we registered the new domain with is located in germany and therefore it is not as easy to execute a chicago ruling with them, as it was with domainbank who are located in the us.

While it's possible that they might attempt to block access to a foriegn domain, I don't even think the US government would be willing to try something with a 100% guarantee of massive trouble. 

exactly.

best
lizvlx



A.Lizard

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: Re: "Voteauction Booth is Closed" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 00 11:32:03 -0400
x-sender: mkanders@mail.javanet.com
From: Mark Anderson <mkanders@javanet.com> To: "net_CALLBOY" <hans@ubermorgen.com>

Hans--

>please let me know if you need further infos and dont hesitate to call me.

Actually.... I'm doing a piece for WIRED for later this week. If you get a chance, please give me a call sometime in the next day or so. In any case, I hope to speak with you soon.

Thanks,

Mark Anderson

PS Thanks for the CNN tip. My 'net connection is kind of slow, so I may end up getting a transcript from Lexis-Nexis. But it's good to have the reference all the same.

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Mark K. Anderson
Northampton, Mass.
mkanders@javanet.com
413-586-8961 voice
253-399-3201 faxDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:04:29 +0200
To: g.bonjean@cybercable.fr
From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: Some questions about your initiative 


dear guillaume,

voila, our answers.
if you need anything else, do not hesitate to contact us.

best
lizvlx
ceo ubermorgen.com

- Could you precise the history of the initiative (i.e date of the purchase from James Baumgartner, date of the closure of the first site, etc.) ? 

we purchased the project about 2 months ago. the voteauction.com domain was closed last friday. that was the same day when vote-auction.com went live.


- Vote-auction is obviously more a question of activism than pure business (you don't earn money from this !) : what is the goal of the operation ? 

it would be a mistake to think that every business makes money from day one. this is rarely ever the case actually. what we are doing at the moment is investing into an idea, which is - in our opinion - very prone to generate cash-flow soon. whether we will be realizing our capital returns by means of database marketing, banner advertizing or by cutting percentages - this we do not know yet. we will decide on a business plan after the finishing of the us-elections, ehich we regard as our test market. 

the goal of the operation is to render a service to end users in the election markets, i.e. the voters. we truly believe that one can only realize a fine running business if delivering services which the consumer really needs.


- What is your situation now : Where are the servers ? Can the american law hurt you in any way ? 

our dns-registry is located in germany.
our servers are located in austria and bulgaria. this makes it harder for us-judges to "hurt" our servers. we are pretty sure that we will be up at least until nov 7th - i.e. election day. 


- What were the reactions on your initiative (e-mail, felicitations, hacking, threaths, etc.) so far ? 

yes, we have encountered some hack attacks during the last 2 months. and we do of course lots of email threats. but also lots of very nice emails, too.


- You say you are planning to extend "business" on E.U elections and others outside America. Can you tell me more ? 

no, as we are just in the midst of developing our exact business plan and just do not know yet, which market we will exploit next.


- Finally, can you tell us more about Ubermorgen.com ? Wieving from you web site, it's pretty unclear what your activity really is... 

ubermorgen.com is an agency specializing in consulting for internet companies. we also do internet marketing using our special techniques like drama and shock marketing. we also develop other in-house projects besides vote-auction.com - like etxtreme.ru and etoyACTION.com.


best
lizvlx
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http://www.vote-auction.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
From: "Tom, Allison" <Allison.tom@turner.com> To: "'hans@ubermorgen.com'" <hans@ubermorgen.com> Subject: Vote Auction
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:10:21 -0400

Hi Hans,

My name is Allison Tom, Interactive Correspondent with CNN. I'd like to speak to you regarding vote-auction.com. Please let me know when and how I can reach you. 

Sincerely,

Allison Tom
Interactive Correspondent, CNN
404-827-7059 Direct
800-715-0643 Pager
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Sender: voteauction@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:40:46 +0200
To: aacooper <aacooper@ap.org>
From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: Mr Bernhard--
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com


dear audrey,

thanks for your enquiry.
here are our answers.

best
lizvlx
ceo ubermorgen.com

We are doing another story on the vote-auction.com Web site and I was hoping you could answer a few questions for us. We spoke last week about a pending investigation by the Secretary of State in California. 

1. Why did you change the name of the Web site? 

we registered the new domain because of marketing reasons. we had found out during usability tests that lots of users typed in vote-auction.com instead of voteauction.com. in order not to miss these users, we registered the new domain name.
the new name came along with a redesign of the site, and we put that up online almost at the same time when the judge's order from chicago forced the voteauction.com domain offline.

2. Why is the message board offline?

because we are doing a new message board, one of our own. we took the other one offline due to potential privacy concerns of our users.

3. Are you still claiming to "sell" votes? 

yes. we do not see any differnce in the phrase "buying a vote" and "donating funds".

4. How long can this name changing go on and are you still getting the same number of hits you got before changing the domain name? 

yes, actually almost more because of the incredible press coverage that we are receiving. and also, the number of visits seem to increase the closer election day is coming. 

if you need anything else, do not hesitate to contact us anytime. ans also, do check out the new section on our site, where you can find the legal correspondence from chicago. 

http://www.vote-auction.com/legal

best
lizvlx



I would appreciate anything you can tell us on this matter, in the interest of fair and accurate reporting.

Thank you again,
Audrey Cooper
The Associated Press
aacooper@ap.org
916-448-9555

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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Subject: Re: [betacity] for y/eyes! press:: vote-auction.com Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:03:05 +0200
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Hallo netter Hans Callboy

du bist grad in berlin - oder - ich glaube du arbeitest bei mikro? kšnnten wir uns zu einem vote-interview treffen fźr betacity? 

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From: <mailto:play@ubermorgen.com>net_CALLBOY To: <mailto:7-11@mila.ljudmila.org>7-11@mila.ljudmila.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:19 AM Subject: [betacity] for y/eyes! press:: vote-auction.com 


dearZ

<http://www.vote-auction.com>http://www.vote-auction.com 


CNN dedicated a show for vote-auction, live on the wire, vote-auction.com etoy.HANS over the mobile wire:: enjoy! <http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram>http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram [a CNN special national/internat. report coming soon!] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

+ CHECK OUT the press.section:

<http://www.vote-auction.com/news.htm>http://www.vote-auction.com/news.htm 

CNN, wirednews, WIRED, USA Today, ABC, NBC, FOX, Slate, Washington Post, Industry Standard, AP, CNET, Telepolis, Spiegel Online, Slashdot, ...


various serious legal cases/ prosecutions :: 

:: board of elections chicago
:: california secretary of state
:: board of election nebraska
:: texas attorney general
:: tech crime unit arizona,

...heavy duty stuff! see some docs under:: <http://www.vote-auction.com/legal/index.htm>http://www.vote-auction.com/legal/index.htm 

the domain voteauction.com has been deactivated on orders of some local judge in chicago/illinois; sooo much fun and pressure there!
read more in our attached press.release or under:: <http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm>http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm 


our holding-company is specialized on high-risk ventures! 

::.. we invest into / they invest into ..:: 

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for ubermorgen.com and the etoy.HOLDING:: 

:: lizvlx [CEO ubermorgen.com]

:: etoy.HANS /net_CALLBOY [CEO vote-auction.com] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "if you don't get help from us, please get help somewhere!" <http://www.ubermorgen.com>http://www.ubermorgen.com :: shock marketing :: software dev. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 




FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

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Vote-auction.com back online

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Berlin, October 22, 2000

Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it.

You can also find this press release at
<http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm>http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm 

For any further information feel free to contact <mailto:pr@vote-auction.com>pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. 

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[V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com 

The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain 

<http://www.vote-auction.com>http://www.vote-auction.com 

During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry.

The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project.


[V] Sue 'em 'til they drop...

The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue:

. domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where 
the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. 

. silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as 
well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. 


[V] (Il)legal Battle?

It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN.

We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. 

Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives.

Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: 

"SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. 
SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan."


[V] Users give full support - despite potential respression 

Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users.

Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud".


[V] Where to go from here

Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide.


For the Vote-auction.com team:

lizvlx
[V]ote-auction.com


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From: "Armin Medosch" <armin@easynet.co.uk> To: net_CALLBOY <play@ubermorgen.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:05:27 +0000
Subject: Re: for y/eyes! press:: vote-auction.com Reply-to: armin@easynet.co.uk
Priority: normal

hi
die russische duma hat euch auch erwaehnt, als ein grund von m,ehreren, warum sie wahlbeobachter nach usa senden wollen, um zu pruefen, ob die wahlen auch demokratisch okay geregelt sind:-) cheers
a


Date sent:		Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:19:54 +0200
To:		7-11@mila.ljudmila.org
From:		net_CALLBOY <play@ubermorgen.com>
Subject:		for y/eyes! press:: vote-auction.com

>
>dearZ
>
>http://www.vote-auction.com
>
>
>CNN dedicated a show for vote-auction, live on the wire, vote-auction.com etoy.HANS over the mobile wire:: enjoy! http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram [a CNN special national/internat. report coming soon!] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>
>+ CHECK OUT the press.section:
>
>http://www.vote-auction.com/news.htm
>
>CNN, wirednews, WIRED, USA Today, ABC, NBC, FOX, Slate, Washington Post, Industry Standard, AP, CNET, Telepolis, Spiegel Online, Slashdot, ...
>
>
>various serious legal cases/ prosecutions :: 
>
>:: board of elections chicago
>:: california secretary of state
>:: board of election nebraska
>:: texas attorney general
>:: tech crime unit arizona,
>
>...heavy duty stuff! see some docs under:: http://www.vote-auction.com/legal/index.htm 
>
>the domain voteauction.com has been deactivated on orders of some local judge in chicago/illinois; sooo much fun and pressure there!
>read more in our attached press.release or under:: http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm
>
>
>our holding-company is specialized on high-risk ventures! 
>
>::.. we invest into / they invest into ..:: 
>
>ubermorgen.com, etoy.com, SILVER SERVER, rtmark.com, skim.com, uptoart.com, etxtreme.org, voortekk.com, rosa.com, dplanet.org, msn.de, micromusic.net, and many more.. 
>
>
>for ubermorgen.com and the etoy.HOLDING:: 
>
>:: lizvlx [CEO ubermorgen.com]
>
>:: etoy.HANS /net_CALLBOY [CEO vote-auction.com] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "if you don't get help from us, please get help somewhere!" http://www.ubermorgen.com :: shock marketing :: software dev. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>
>
>
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>-------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>Vote-auction.com back online
>
>-------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>Berlin, October 22, 2000
>
>Below you find the latest press release by Vote-auction.com [formerly voteauction.com]. We have included the most relevant information on the latest developments of the site and the people and users behind it.
>
>You can also find this press release at http://www.vote-auction.com/pr.htm
>
>For any further information feel free to contact pr@vote-auction.com or in urgent cases call +49-175-2066954. 
>
>------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>
>[V] Voteauction.com is dead, long live Vote-auction.com 
>
>The "Leader of the Election Industry", vote-auction.com has regained access to the web via its new domain 
>
>http://www.vote-auction.com
>
>During the past week, diverse rumours and hear-say has been passed concerning the website which explores the high-risk consumer markets of the American election industry.
>
>The site's original domain had been ordered shut down by a local American court in the U.S. state of Illinois earlier this week. But whilst American authorities took their time and tax payers' money to legally pursue almost everybody related to the existence of the website, the owners of the site worked on a re-design and strategy paper for version 2.0 of the project.
>
>
>[V] Sue 'em 'til they drop...
>
>The legal authorities of Chicago, Illinois, made every effort to get the site out of service during the last 2 weeks. Amongst the original creator of the project, James Baumgartner, and the owner of the domain, Hans Bernhard, they also found it in the public's interest to sue:
>
>. domainbank.com: Domainbank inc., is the registry where 
>the original domain "voteauction.com" is registered. It is defendant in named Chicago legal case. 
>
>. silverserver.at: Both SILVER SERVER's president as 
>well as of one of the top technical staff are also named defendants in the Chicago legal case. SILVER SERVER is vote-auction.com's internet access provider. 
>
>
>[V] (Il)legal Battle?
>
>It remains open for discussion how it should be possible that a dns (domain name service) or an access provider could ever be responsible for contents accessible via domains they are providing routing services for. Vote-auction.com sees this as illegal practice in total violation of standards set by ICANN.
>
>We can only interpret domainbank's and SILVER SERVER's name on the list of defendants as a indirect means of repression to force vote-auction.com to go offline. 
>
>Concerning domainbank inc., this strategy seemed to work out for Chicago prosecutors: Because of domain- bank being involved in the legal case, the provider "politely asked" vote-auction.com to provide them with a USD 100,000.00 bond for potential legal costs. Vote-auction.com decided not to comply. Instead, we asked them to transfer our "voteauction.com" domain to another provider. This order was not fulfilled by domainbank, as they had at that time already made a "deal" with Chicago authorites "not to move the domain anywhere", as we were told by one of domain- bank's executives.
>
>Concerning "defendant" SILVER SERVER, we can provide you with a clear statement from their president: 
>
>"SILVER SERVER clearly and fully supports vote-auction.com. 
>SILVER SERVER president, o.o., is proud to be the billing contact for vote-auction.com. actually we received very interesting offers by investors to launch vote-auction.com in russia and japan."
>
>
>[V] Users give full support - despite potential respression 
>
>Lots of users of Vote-auction.com have described their support in various emails. This is another reason why we decided not to wait to get back online until local U.S. legal authorities understand that Vote-auction.com works for and NOT against democracy. We will keep on protecting any data which has been submitted to us by trusting users.
>
>Chicago courts have a somewhat different approach to user rights. The court has ordered all data of users registered with the site to be disclosed to the authorities. This would then enable prosecutors in Chicago to sue users of vote-auction.com individually for so-called "voter fraud".
>
>
>[V] Where to go from here
>
>Vote-auction.com is ready to deliver even more services to the vital elections markets. We will keep on focusing on the American elections until mid-November this year. In the meantime we will also finish our redesign and software upgrade in order to get ready for upcoming elections worldwide.
>
>
>For the Vote-auction.com team:
>
>lizvlx
>[V]ote-auction.com
>
>
>PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction.com via 
>web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: 
>
>pr@vote-auction.com
>http://www.vote-auction.com
>
>We will not be able to receive messages sent to the old address. Thank you.
>
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>congretulation

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>>hoi,
>
>h o
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>perfect-o, dann treffma uns.. bin noch bis sonntag in berlin.. wie faehrst du? Auto?
>rufma uns freitag zsamm und wir koennen die legal side besprechen.. wir sind uns grad am um anwaelte in den usa am kuemmern, will keep you updated.. 

top. sollte die sache nicht unterschaetzen. 

>bis jetzt haben wir nur einen civil lawsuit dort in chicago, also eine zivilrechtliche klage, nicht so heavy.. muessen wir nur einen lawyer am 30.okt. vorbeischicken..
>
>ansonsten sind uns noch keine richtigen anklagen von staatsanwaelten bekannt, nur vor-untersuchungen und so..
>
>will let you know. cool dass ma sich in berlin treffen koennen!!

yup. koennte am SA late noon bei euch vorbeischaun. 

cu o.

>bestZ
>hans
>
>>ich fahre morgen FR nach Berlin, bin von FR bis MO dort. sollten eventuell wegen laywer murphy nochmal talken. 
>>
>>keep me informed. cu o.
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To: JohnDobeck@wgar.com
From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: interview


dear john,

thanks a lot for the enquiry.

first off, is this a tv or a radio
show?

second, what would you need - just
an email interview, a telephone
interview, or even a netcast video
interview?

best
lizvlx

we do the morning show at wgar in cleveland ohio and would like to talk to somebody from the website...

thank you
John Dobeck

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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Hallo Herr Bernhard,

Wieder ein Artikel źber Sie auf NET-BC www.net-bc.com. Sie haben es heute ja in die Yahoo-Schlagzeilen geschaft. Glźckwunsch. 

Viel Glźck und Grź§e aus Mźnchen

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From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: Interview for WNYC Radio


dear nuala,

yes, we could do that.

if you could give us a short description of the program, that'd be great.

until then,

best
lizvlx

Thank you for getting back to me in reference to the interview for our show. It would be on November 7th at 11:05am until 11:30am, by phone would be fine. Our guest from vote auction would join Brian Lehrer our host for dialogue and then we would take some calls from interested listeners. Please let me know if this could work for you.
Thank you very much
Nuala McGovern
212-669-2200

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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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To: "Lauren Shepherd" <laurendanielleshepherd@hotmail.com> From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: Re: vote-auction.com


dear lauren,

here we go with our answers.


1. How does the vote-auction.com site work? If a person, for example, in the state of Missouri wants to sell their vote, what happens after they register on the site? 

the are registered into our databases. then, on nov 7th the auction for the votes reaches its highes peak, and is then closed.
the parties are then automatically brought together by means of software and conclude their business. 

2. What is the profile of the typical person who sells their vote? 

there is no "typical" profile. except for: mostly white.
mostly politically interested.
mostly indifferent to the candidates.


3. Who is buying the votes? How does the bidding work? 

bidding works the same way as described above. you are entered into our databases and get notified about the standings of your bids. if you make one block in one state, you make the deal with the voters. 

4. Is this legal? On the website, you say that under the free speech cause of the First Amendment, vote buying and selling is a legal way to exercise free speech. Can you explain this? 

coming from europe, where the buying of votes is legal in the first place, it seems quite strange that a democracy does not allow for the free exchange of votes.
furthermore, i cannot really comment, as you might understand our lawyers are considering the matter and will issue their statements before the chicago courts. 

5. In Illinois, the Board of Elections seems to have gotten a permanent injunction against the site www.voteauction.com. How is the site still in operation? Does the name change to vote-auction.com mean you don't need to follow the injunction? 

the injunction is only of temporary nature! 

there will be another status hearing on oct 30th in chicago to clear the matter.

the name change to vote-auction.com is not as closely related to the injunction as one might imagine. we started the new site before the old one went down. we would have prefered to be online under both addresses, but at the moment we cannot access the other one. 

we do not consider our work to be of illegal or criminal nature.

it is another question if we, based in europe, are subject to u.s. state law, in the first place. 

6. How many people in total have sold their votes? How many bidders have you had since taking over the site? 

as of oct 16th: 21.000 sellers
roughly 1000-2000 bidders.

no-one has sold their vote yet, the auction concludes on nov 7th.

7. When did you buy the site--in August? 

yes, about 2-3 months ago.

8. How much effect has your site had on voting? Will the votes bought or sold effect this presidential election in swing states? For which candidate? 

i doubt very much that we can influence the elctions, as we just do not have enough users for a purpose like that. 

the only we to influence the outcome of the elections is the voting behavior of the individual voter, and that is only within the voter and the booth.

9. After a person sells their vote, how long does it take for someone to buy it? When does the seller see their money? Are they told who to vote for? 

as i stated before, you do not ome on the site and sell your vote. 

you register for selling, and ar ethen part of the auction process. we also do not buy any votes, we provide an open market platform for bidders and sellers. 

some bidders only buy to get people to vote, some want voters to vote for a specific candidate. 

10. Have any other states, besides Illinios, tried to prosecute? 

the state of illinois is NOT prosecuting us, it is the chicago board of elections, an independent agenca involved in the organisation of the election process. the are running at a USD 20 million budget a year, and appearantly see us as an unwanted competitor.

we are not being sued by any state at this time, there are the states of massachussettes, texas, nebraska, california, arizona who are threatening us with potential prosecution. 

11. What's next for vote-auction.com? Planning on continuing this site for other elections? 

elections in canada are coming up nov 27h, i was told. then there also will be the uk, and germany.

12. Please give me your full name and title. 

first name: liz
last name: vlx

position: ceo ubermorgen.com (hilding company of vote-auction.com) 

bestz
lizvlx



hank you for your time. Please write me back sometime this afternoon, if at all possible. Thanks again,
Lauren Shepherd


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From: "[V]ote-auction.com PR" <pr@vote-auction.com> To: "Lauren Shepherd" <laurendanielleshepherd@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: vote-auction.com
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:02:20 +0200


dear lauren,

thanks for getting in contact with us.

sure we could talk with you, you can
reach us at the following tel number:

011-49-175-20.66.954

that is a number in berlin, germany.

you can of course also email us your
questions.

best
lizvlx

Hello,
My name is Lauren Shepherd and I am a reporter at the Missouri Digital News--a news service in Jefferson City, Missouri. I wanted to speak with someone about the vote-auction website--legal issues, the goal of the site, the permanent injunction in the state of Illinios and basically how the site works. Please e-mail me and let me know if someone would be available later today to talk. My number is 573-751-2888.
Thank you,
Lauren Shepherd
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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: Mark Anderson <mkanders@javanet.com> Subject: Re: URGENT: Voteauction interview request 

Hi Mark,

>>oops, what a backwards mail-reading system i have. we'll be happy, again, to speak about this. what specifically would you like? rtmark was involved in a limited way, as is appropriate: it was listed as an rtmark project, got a certain amount of funding help, and wealso helped to lubricate certain transactions, such as the transfer to austrian ownership. like any rtmark-sponsored project, it really hasn't been under our control.
>>
>>please feel free to ask more
>>
>>ray
>>
>>http://rtmark.com/
>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. 
>
>Ray--
>
>I have a few further questions I'd like to ask you: 
>
>There are now conflicting reports on whether Voteauction.com (now Vote-auction.com) is a hoax. I'd like to know from your perspective: When RTMark helped to set up the sale of Voteauction from James Baumgartner to Hans Bernhard at Ubermorgen, did you understand that the site was not actually intending to sell votes? Or was your understanding that it was set up as a work of media intervention satire -- i.e. not conducting or facilitating transactions but just pretending to do so? 

In everything that RTMark has done in regards to Voteauction.com, from project listing to investment procuring to sale facilitating, we have always assumed that the intention of the site was to highlight the way corporations currently choose candidates and procure votes in essentially the same way that a vote-auctioning website would. We have never actually wished to see vote-selling become legal--we only hoped that through such a shocking example as this, people would become alert to the similarities of current reality to this hypothetical nightmare and, ultimately, that the soft-money system would become illegal just as vote-auctioning is. But we don't, of course, have any control over Mr. Bernhard's intentions and actions, just as we didn't in the case of Mr. Baumgartner's. 

>Second, when you say "we also helped to lubricate certain transactions, such as the transfer to austrian ownership" -- what do you mean by this? How did you facilitate the transfer from Baumgartner to Bernhard? Did you literally put one party in touch with the other? Did you help in any other way?

We put the two parties in touch with each other, helped in negotiations over transition matters (price, hosting, etc.), and so on. 

>Finally, what's your response to the Chicago Board of Elections lawsuit? Do you think it'll be effective in curtailing whatever it is vote-auction is now trying to do? (Is it simply to keep making a point or is it to actually buy and sell votes?)

We don't actually know whether Mr. Bernhard intends to render vote-auction.com (as it now is) fully functional; we must take him at his word that he does.

>I'd like to quote from your responses to this email along with your statement in your previous email (quoted above). For the purpose of attribution in my article, what's your last name? 

Ray Thomas.

>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Anderson
>
>PS Did we talk on the phone a few years back over the Deconstructing Beck project? I wrote a piece for a local paper (Northampton, Mass. area) on the subject and recall speaking with *someone* from RTMark... Anyway.... 

Yes, we did! I remember it well as an early example of a very productive relationship.

Take care,
Ray

>(Here's the piece I'm talking about, by the way... 
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Subject: question from cia-betty
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:47:26 +0100
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halloĘhans und lizvlx!

sitze gerade źber "unserem" artikel.
kleine verstŠndnis frage:

was betreibt ihr:
1Businesscaseforschung?
2Businesscapeforschung?
3Businesscafeforschung ?
4Businessfaseforschung?
5Businessbaseforschung?
6 Businessnaseforschung?

und eine kleine ErklŠrung, worums dabei geht fźr eine škonische Banausin... 

Beste Gruesse.Karin

ps. macht spass den artikel zu schreiben 

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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:51:38 +0100
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nadanke - nachdem mein rechner -zigmal abgestźrzt ist hab ich eure antwort!!! der text wird so gegen 3:00 via betacity gepostet! 

gruss.karin


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From: <mailto:hans@ubermorgen.com>net_CALLBOY To: <mailto:khl@onlinehome.de>Karin Hinterleitner Cc: <mailto:liz@ubermorgen.com>liz@ubermorgen.com Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: question from cia-betty

>hallo hans und lizvlx!
>
>sitze gerade źber "unserem" artikel.
>kleine verstŠndnis frage:
>
>was betreibt ihr:
>1Businesscaseforschung?
>2Businesscapeforschung?
>3Businesscafeforschung ?
>4Businessfaseforschung?
>5Businessbaseforschung?
>6 Businessnaseforschung?
>
>und eine kleine ErklŠrung, worums dabei geht fźr eine škonische Banausin... 

hi karin

ich wuerd sagen wir machen 5businessBaseforschung, 

es geht um volkswirtschaftliche ueberlegungen, 

und um...

freier markt, perfekter marktplatz, d.h. free access for all, einfacher und schneller zugang, viele kleine players auf dem markt..

in europa haben wir eine sog. soziale marktwirtschaft, in den usa haben wir eine durchregulierte marktwirtschaft. wir versuchen nun die
prinzipien der demokratie und der marktwirtschaft zu vereinen.

gruesse.. gespannt auf den/unseren artikel, 

hans
greetz from lizvlx too..



>
>Beste Gruesse.Karin
>
>ps. macht spass den artikel zu schreiben 
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wźrde ganz dringend die aktuellsten voteauction news brauchen, da ich jetzt heute noch eine seite im NEWS darźber machen soll ist sicher gute pr...
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Selling Votes or Peddling Lies?
by Mark K. Anderson

2:00 a.m. Oct. 30, 2000 PST

As election authorities in Chicago prepare for Monday's court hearing in a lawsuit against the Austrian scofflaw website Vote-auction.com, a crucial question of veracity has emerged. 

Is Vote-auction -- which changed its name from Voteauction.com this week after the original domain name had been shut down by court order -- actually facilitating the sale of tens of thousands of American presidential votes? Or is it all satire, with no such activity ever having taken place?

Whether that question will be answered in court has yet to be seen. What's clear is that even the defendants in the case disagree. 

Current site owner Hans Bernhard says, absolutely, such commerce is under way. The creator and former adviser, James Baumgartner maintains that his brainchild is only a work of satire and does not engage in illegal vote-trading activities.

"The question of if it's a hoax, I can answer with a clear no," Bernhard said in a phone interview Thursday. "It's very obvious, because we're not running projects like that to make hoaxes. We're running businesses." 

Dan Stewart, a lawyer in Albany, New York representing Baumgartner, says it's not so.

"The whole point of this was not to have people sell their votes," said Stewart, who said Bernhard sold Voteauction.com in mid-August for 1 euro (less than $1). "The point was to have people draw their attention to the issue of money and politics... . James Baumgartner would not have consented to selling the site if he did not think Mr. Bernhard held the same position."

Clearly, Baumgartner has reason to deny he's involved in selling votes. As a defendant in the suit, he could be slapped with damages. 

But at least one interested observer believes Bernhard is telling the truth.

"I've always been skeptical of the satire argument," said Deborah Phillips, chair of the Voting Integrity Project, which has followed the Voteauction story since its early days in August, when it was run as an MFA thesis project in New York state.

"Satire doesn't usually involve the exchange of money, nor does it usually cross international boundaries or involve international security threats," she said.

"If it's true it's just been a hoax, then the only way they can prove that is to open their site to FBI technologists," Phillips said. "Otherwise, we have no way of verifying." 

But Stewart said, "That's exactly what we did. The FBI conducted an investigation.... I'm not in a position right now to comment on the outcome of the investigation, but we have provided them everything they requested."

Pressed for verification of the quarter-million-dollar bid tallies now being posted at the site -- which Baumgartner deflated last week by alleging that Voteauction never actually received any offers to buy votes, even when it was posting bid totals of over $100,000 -- Bernhard laughs.

"We have absolutely no possibility to disclose any information," he said. "This would be like handing it over to the feds. And the bidders especially are very, very concerned about the security. That's the reason they don't just come in via e-mail, but also via fax and telephone. They exactly know that this is not public information." 

Bernhard's credibility as a straight-shooting businessman is certainly undercut by Baumgartner's revelation that his sale of Voteauction.com in August was brokered by the corporate satire collective RTMark. 

As RTMark's Ray Thomas said in an e-mail earlier this week, "In everything that RTMark has done in regards to Voteauction.com, from project listing to investment procuring to sale facilitating, we have always assumed that the intention of the site was to highlight the way corporations currently choose candidates and procure votes in essentially the same way that a vote-auctioning website would. 



"We have never actually wished to see vote-selling become legal -- we only hoped that through such a shocking example as this, people would become alert to the similarities of current reality to this hypothetical nightmare and, ultimately, that the soft-money system would become illegal just as vote-auctioning is."

Still, regardless of what side eventually prevails in the lawsuit, the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners is not laughing. 

Its suit -- which names both Bernhard and Baumgartner -- succeeded in obtaining a preliminary injunction on Oct. 18 which resulted in Voteauction's original domain-name registrar, Domain Bank, removing Voteauction.com from its rolls.

But now that Vote-auction.com, logged via a different name bank, has surfaced, Tom Leach of the Chicago Board says they'll be pressing for a contempt of court citation on Monday.

"They're in violation of this court order, and we're going to present that to the court and ask for a contempt citation," Leach said. "This is just part of a suit that's going to play out long after the election's over with."

On Thursday, an official from the office of Illinois State Attorney General Jim Ryan said that the Illinois Board of Elections has requested that the state intervene in the Vote-auction lawsuit. 

Leach noted that this office has appraised the Austrian Ministry of Justice of its lawsuit via the Austrian ambassador in Washington -- although, when contacted, the consul general from the embassy said he was not able to confirm or deny this claim.

Leach also added that he's heard from officials in Connecticut, California, Colorado, Indiana, Michigan and Texas, all of whom are considering taking their own legal actions against the site. 

"Here in California, we are engaged in criminal investigations of (Vote-auction)," William Wood, chief counsel for the California Secretary of State said in a CNN interview on Tuesday. "We will continue those investigations through the election."

Bernhard said that the CNN piece -- as part of the network's half-hour legal show Burden of Proof devoted to Vote-auction.com -- substantially increased Vote-auction's traffic and, he claims, also brought in new bids.

"In the aftermath of the CNN feature, we received 35 bidding offers within some hours," he said. "It's really getting hot. The numbers are just crackling. It's amazing. The bids are massive. It's unbelievable." 

But Stewart said that barring proof that Vote-auction actually facilitates vote fraud -- rather than just cleverly drawing media attention to "soft-money" elections -- he's pursuing the case as a straightforward issue of free speech.

"There clearly are exceptions to free speech, but one of the things we cherish most dearly is the ability to speak on issues of politics," Stewart said. "Now insofar as this was a site to actually purchase a vote, authorities are right to want to get to the bottom of this. But insofar as this was just a parody, any attorney would be hard-pressed to say this wasn't protected by the First Amendment. 

"We have no information that any vote was ever bought or sold, nor was there any mechanism created for connecting sellers with buyers."Delivered-To: voteauction@www.etxtreme.ru Delivered-To: pr@vote-auction.com
From: Greg Shaw <gshaw@asc.upenn.edu>
To: "'pr@vote-auction.com'" <pr@vote-auction.com> Subject: internet voting
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:58:12 -0500

I am writing an article that explores Internet voting and came across your site. One point that is made to me over and over is that if American hopes to turn around voter turnout it must consider either compulsory voting or economic incentives, which apparently is your vision. 

Is there a number I can call to do a quick interview on this subject. 

thanks
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Sender: hans@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:22:07 +0100
To: liz@ubermorgen.com, ubermorgen@hotmail.com, hans@ubermorgen.com From: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: va debug-report und kleine aenderungen 


debug-report va.com::

- index00.html:
:: polls: punkte vor den 4 polls, sonst
schnallt man listen-character nicht
:: press-release name einsetzen
:: history and updates,
link auf history setzen, nicht vorhanden :: statitstics: da wuerd ich reingeben
dass wir z.zt ueber 150.000 unique visits pro tag haben, steigend!...

- pr
:: pr1.htm machen mit neuem press.release 

- polls etwas hochstellen, so um die 500-800 
votes jeweils.. damit kannst du spinnen.. internat. in richtung gore, national in
richtung bush..
illegal/legal in richtung legal 80:20
voting for money: yes! spin..

- error.htm
falscher font, noch font tag oder style sheet info dazugeben

- banners
:: micromusic draussen?

- spezial, betrifft andere web-sites

:: koenntest du kurz auf www.ubermorgen.com 
micromusic aus der kundenliste nehmen
und den MM banner rausnehmen?? please!
:: digitalhijack.org, bitte im index_type01.html 
bitte micromusic link rausnehmen, ganz unten ----> ich wuerd die ja selbst machen, aber ist 
irgendwie nicht moeglich, waer nett wenn du das machst, sonst hat der carli wieder mehr stress.. weil ich werds morgen eh
vergessen..

- menue
:: news und press tauschen mit V.E.K

- contact:
email neu reingeben: pr@[62.116.31.68]

- news&press site:

bitte folgende artikel reinnehmen:
bei related [ganz unten]:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/11/01/campaign.usa.internet.reut/index.html 

:: bei american press:

"Political Site of the Day" [Voteauction.com has been awarded "Political Site of the Day" for September
11, 2000] from aboutpolitics.com http://www.aboutpolitics.com/ 


-- bei wired articles diesen dazufuegen: 

Selling Votes or Peddling Lies?
http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,39770,00.html 


-- bei slate.com diesen dazufuegen:

If eBay Ran the Election
Who would buy the votes and what would they pay? http://slate.msn.com/Economics/00-10-31/Economics.asp 


:: bei international

-- bei spiegel 2. artikel dazugeben:
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/0,1518,98857,00.html -- transfert.net [french wired]:
COVER-STORY and detailed article
http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=2327 Voteauction.com n'est plus. Vive vote-auction.com http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=2223 

Offensives judiciaires contre le vote aux enchŹres http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=2182 

Chicago attaque le vote aux enchŹres
http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=2021 

Votes aux enchŹres : les affaires reprennent 

http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=1657 




- links:

:: bitte folgende links dazugeben
http://www.gwbush.com
http://www.rtmark.com
http://www.ubermorgen.com
http://www.sil.at







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. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

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uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:45:15 +0100 (CET) From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
cc: ubermorgen@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: va debug-report und kleine aenderungen 



On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, net_CALLBOY wrote:

>
>debug-report va.com::
>
>- index00.html:
>:: polls: punkte vor den 4 polls, sonst 
>schnallt man listen-character nicht

is gemacht.

>:: press-release name einsetzen

is gemacht,

>:: history and updates,
>link auf history setzen, nicht vorhanden 

is gemacht,

>:: statitstics: da wuerd ich reingeben
>dass wir z.zt ueber 150.000 unique visits pro tag haben, steigend!...

is gemacht..
>
>- pr
>:: pr1.htm machen mit neuem press.release 

ok, machich erst, nachdem mail rausgeht :) 

>- polls etwas hochstellen, so um die 500-800 
>votes jeweils.. damit kannst du spinnen.. internat. in richtung gore, national in
>richtung bush..
>illegal/legal in richtung legal 80:20
>voting for money: yes! spin..

done.
>
>- error.htm
>falscher font, noch font tag oder style sheet info dazugeben

ok

>- banners
>:: micromusic draussen?

ja.

>
>- spezial, betrifft andere web-sites
>
>:: koenntest du kurz auf www.ubermorgen.com 
>micromusic aus der kundenliste nehmen
>und den MM banner rausnehmen?? please!


>:: digitalhijack.org, bitte im index_type01.html 
>bitte micromusic link rausnehmen, ganz unten ----> ich wuerd die ja selbst machen, aber ist 
>irgendwie nicht moeglich, waer nett wenn du das machst, sonst hat der carli wieder mehr stress.. weil ich werds morgen eh
>vergessen..
>
>- menue
>:: news und press tauschen mit V.E.K
>
>- contact:
>email neu reingeben: pr@[62.116.31.68]
>
>- news&press site:
>
>bitte folgende artikel reinnehmen:
>bei related [ganz unten]:
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/11/01/campaign.usa.internet.reut/index.html 
>
>:: bei american press:
>
>"Political Site of the Day" [Voteauction.com has been awarded "Political Site of the Day" for September
>11, 2000] from aboutpolitics.com http://www.aboutpolitics.com/ 
>
>
>-- bei wired articles diesen dazufuegen: 
>
>Selling Votes or Peddling Lies?
>http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,39770,00.html 
>
>
>-- bei slate.com diesen dazufuegen:
>
>If eBay Ran the Election
>Who would buy the votes and what would they pay? http://slate.msn.com/Economics/00-10-31/Economics.asp 
>
>
>:: bei international
>
>-- bei spiegel 2. artikel dazugeben:
>http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/0,1518,98857,00.html -- transfert.net [french wired]:
>COVER-STORY and detailed article
>http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=2327 Voteauction.com n'est plus. Vive vote-auction.com http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=2223 
>
>Offensives judiciaires contre le vote aux enchčres http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=2182 
>
>Chicago attaque le vote aux enchčres
>http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=2021 
>
>Votes aux enchčres : les affaires reprennent 
>
>http://www.transfert.net/fr/cyber_societe/article.cfm?idx_rub=87&idx_art=1657 
>
>
>
>
>- links:
>
>:: bitte folgende links dazugeben
>http://www.gwbush.com
>http://www.rtmark.com
>http://www.ubermorgen.com
>http://www.sil.at
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>
>. . . . . . . . . . . : ::ubermorgen.com:: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +43-676-9300061. . . .ema hans@ubermorgen.com. . . . . . .fax +43-1-9681022. . . . .icq 38302022 . . . . . . . . . . . .mob +49-175-2066954 . . . .pgp 0xBA42D1B7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .www.keyserver.net. . . . . 
>
>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>
>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
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>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:42:42 +0100 (CET) From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
To: hans_extreme <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: korrekturen

hi haensel

ich hab die korrekturen gemacht die du
angemerkt hast -

fast alle.

die links hab ich nicht eingebaut, da da das links.htm zeilenumbruchsmaessig verficvkt ist und ich laenger dafuer brauch.
kann ich morgen machen.

und bei den pressetexten hab ich die von transfert net nicht 
reingegeben, weil die mir momentan zu unsympathisch sind. 

(ok, ich weiss...)

ansonsten, die micromusic links sind alle weg. 

ich glaub wir sind ok.

best
loooove
lizDelivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:43:25 +0100
From: TV-Total Team <info@tvtotal.de>
To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: RE:urgent: tvtotal: TV/TALK-GAST ANGEBOT vote-auction.com X-State: R
X-Mail-ID: 43628

Hallo !

Danke fźr deinen Vorschlag!
Noch steht nicht fest, ob wir euch fźr die Show nominieren werden. Vielleicht hast du Glźck und es meldet sich jemand bei Dir. ;o) 



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>----- Original E-Mail -----
>Von:net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
>An:info@tvtotal.de
>Empfangen:31.10.2000 14:40
>Betreff:urgent: tvtotal: TV/TALK-GAST ANGEBOT vote-auction.com 
>
>
>hi there!
>
>es gibt eine ganz heisse top-story zur zeit., wir bieten uns als TALK-GASTE/ RAAB-DER-WOCHE mit CNN feature an... story wird top-heiss bleiben bis 7.11 [us-wahlkampf ende]
>
>betrifft 2 oesterreicher die im amerik. wahlkampf mit einer internet-platform namens:
>http://www.vote-auction.com wahlstimmen im US- wahlkampf transferieren.
>
>CNN, N-TV beitraege vorhanden...
>CNN beitrag waere perfekt fuer raab-der-woche.. [CNN telephone-interview, N-TV bericht mit face..] http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram 
>
>150 weitere TV/Radio/Magazine/etc.. haben weltweit darueber berichtet.. hier die gesamte liste: http://www.vote-auction.com/news.htm
>
>falls interesse dafuer besteht, als raab-der-woche gaeste, es ist total zielgruppen gerecht und eine hoechst umstrittene action mit hohem media-potential.. 
>
>meldet euch wenn ihr interesse habt.. harald schmidt hat mal angeklopft, aber stefan raab waer uns lieber..
>
>best regards
>
>hans bernhard			lizvlx
>hans@ubermorgen.com		liz@ubermorgen.com +43 676 930 00 61		+49 175 20 66 954
>
>
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>
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>
>. .if you dont get help from us,please get help somewhere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>
>. http://www.vote-auction.com "bringing capitalism and demo- . crazy closer together" :: brought to you by ubermorgen.com: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>
>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>uberDISCLAIMER 01 :: : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .:: the contents of this email, and any attachments, are . . . .CONFIDENTIAL and intended only for the person[s] to whom. . . .they are addressed:: if you have received the email in. . . . .error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it . . .from your computer system:: do not copy or distribute it. . . .or disclose its contents to any person:: unless otherwise . . .stated, the views and opinions expressed in this email are. . .personal to the sender and do not represent the official. . . .view of the company :: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
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>
Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:45:57 +0100 (CET) From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
To: Alexander Svensson <svensson@icannchannel.de> cc: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: Re: Vote-auction-Domainloeschung 

hi

danke fuer die maiol.

ja, wir haben da eine unverbindliche mail von core erhalten.

sie berufen sich auf den erhalt einer
email aus missouri, wo sie als beklagter in einer zivilklage genannt werden, bzw. es zu dieser klagge auch eine einstweilige verfuegung gaebe (welche wir bis dato
nicht erhalten haben).
...sie haben ja auch nur eine email
bekommen....

jedenfalls, sie sagen sie waeren massiv unter druck, dass sie um leib und seele ihrer
mitglieder in den u.s.a. fuerchten. sie
begruenden ihre vorgangsweise durch die
gravity unseres cases....

sagen, wer denn da entscheided, koennen sie nicht, das waere eine kommission, und sprechen kann man da nur mit einem werner staub,
tel +41-229295744, und der hat angst...

jedenfalls, sie tun mir ja leid, dass sie da einfach so zum handkuss kommen, aber
wahrscheinlich werden wir einfach gegen- klagen.

best
lizvlx


On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Alexander Svensson wrote: 

>
>Hallo Liz!
>
>Wahrscheinlich hast Du es eh schon von CSL gehört, ich wollte nur noch mal Bescheid sagen, dass die Löschung von vote-auction.com absurderweise nicht einmal von einer amerikanischen Stelle, sondern von CORE, einem Registrarverbund in Genf vorgenommen wurde.
>
>Euer Registrar, CSL/joker.com ist Mitglied des CORE-Verbunds, und registriert seine Domains z.T. selbst (CSL/joker ist ICANN-akkreditiert), aber zum Teil auch über CORE. Die fragliche Domain ist offenbar via CORE registriert worden, und laut Siegfried Langenbach von CSL/joker ist die Statusänderung von CORE vorgenommen wurde. 
>
>Alles Gute,
>/// Alexander
>
>_______________________________________________________ 
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>
>Alexander Svensson
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>D 22089 Hamburg
>
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>es gibt eine ganz heisse top-story zur zeit., wir bieten uns als TALK-GASTE/ RAAB-DER-WOCHE mit CNN feature an... story wird top-heiss bleiben bis 7.11 [us-wahlkampf ende]
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>betrifft 2 oesterreicher die im amerik. wahlkampf mit einer internet-platform namens:
>http://www.vote-auction.com wahlstimmen im US- wahlkampf transferieren.
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>CNN, N-TV beitraege vorhanden...
>CNN beitrag waere perfekt fuer raab-der-woche.. [CNN telephone-interview, N-TV bericht mit face..] http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram 
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>150 weitere TV/Radio/Magazine/etc.. haben weltweit darueber berichtet.. hier die gesamte liste: http://www.vote-auction.com/news.htm
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>falls interesse dafuer besteht, als raab-der-woche gaeste, es ist total zielgruppen gerecht und eine hoechst umstrittene action mit hohem media-potential.. 
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>meldet euch wenn ihr interesse habt.. harald schmidt hat mal angeklopft, aber stefan raab waer uns lieber..
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>best regards
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X-Sender: mailliz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 03:46:33 +0100
To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: press.r: v1.0

SUBJECT: [V]ote-auction announces END-RESULTS 



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

-------------------------------------------------------- 

[V]ote-auction announces END-RESULTS of GRAND AUCTION 

-------------------------------------------------------- 

Vienna/Berlin, November 7th, 2000, 3am CET 


Below is the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: 

http://62.116.31.68
http://www.voteauction.de / realname: voteauction [formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. 


You can also find this press release at
http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm

For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines:

berlin +49-175-2066954
vienna +43 676 9300061

------------------------------------------------------- it's different because it's absolutely different: 

[V]ote-auction	http://62.116.31.68
------------------------------------------------------- 


[V] Intro

Vote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to annnounce the end-results of the grand - or, perhaps more accurately, notorious - [V]ote-auction GAME. 

Many participants acted as if they had actually considered it a real business; in fact, it was indeed a real-life game for voters who finally had found a way to think about what their vote is worth on the free market; and to themselves. 

For us, the operators, it turned out to be less of a action- service and more of a legal rollercoaster. 


[V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Business? 

Lots has been said about how to distinguish between a real business and a cartoon in a sunday newspaper:
http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram 

Most of these nice sayings are true for the offline world - but on the net, things are different.

Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial playground a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have learned. Try any web-site and try to check out if you know it if they are for "real", here a small test-environment: 

http://yesrudy.com
http://gatt.org
http://rtmark.com/gwbush/
http://www.fpo.at
http://www.microsoft.com

There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why it is called an interlinked system and not a book. 

You'd better learn the differenciate now! If not, you might fall for a real prank one day!


[V] Who is suing whom?

check out: http://www.ipnic.org
the nic is the content is the user is the net 

here an excerpt from the current situation: 

. Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers 
reason: "selling votes"
status: injunction order

. Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers 
reason: "false promises to consumers"
status: injunction order

. Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our providers 
reason: "selling and buying of votes"
status: injunction order

. Various "investigations" by Attorney Generals 
reason: diverse
status: unknown

. [V]ote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland 
reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service status: preparation

It seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre of action-art: DIGITAL LEGAL ART. appearantly, it is even not so much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal most, but the people in U.S. legal offices... very sexy! 

Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped. it will be obvious, even to the legal folk, that there are people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is not us. We just gave you the showcase. The real dealers do their businesses quite openly in Washington. Vive la difference! 


[V] Campaigning for our rights

We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support we need and enjoy. To those who despise us: Thank you also! 

We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active support and intelligent modes of communication. 

To those who think that we have now given up: Come on! We have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is, at the time, NOT a free place. It is directly and indirectly controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is basically owned by the U.S. Ministry of Commerce [well, then maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the Ministery of Commerce].

If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike time - they just do it! Cynical? No. Realistic. Or should ICANN bring Capitalism and DemoCRAZY closer together? or maybe even CORE?

so ... the nic is the content is the user is the net ... http://www.ipnic.org


[V] What is new on the Site

We have opened our site and data to the public, so everyone can see for him or herself what is happening. Feel free to access the user database - and do not be surprised to find no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice... 

What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody who dared to play [V]ote-auction. If you ask yourself if the numbers are real - that is an intelligent question - but has never been answered on the net. Neither can we. 

You will have to be quick to access the site - we will put it into real legal context by November 8th. 

When the game is over, the players have to go home! 



[V] Statistics [Nov. 7th 2000, 3am CET]

[] polls

international poll:	national poll:
63.3% gore	45.0% gore
14.3% bush	44.1% bush
22.4% nader	10.9% nader

vote-auction legal or illegal:
75.3% legal
09.4% illegal
15.3% dont know

would you rather go voting if you get paied for it: 70.0% yes
30.0% no


[] global media quick-stats

topic:	numbers	%
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- mailingslists/newsgroups:	13,765 articles 75%
online-magazines:	898 articles 19%
print-magazines:	258 articles 03%
print-newspapers:	812 articles 24%
tv-segments:	147 reports 03%
radio-segments:	231 reports 05%
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 
press-archive at: http://62.116.31.68/news.htm 


[] supporter quick-stats

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- emails received in the last 9 days 2451
support sites	213
attorneys offering their services	11
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 

[] legal quick-stats

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Civil-lawsuits filed against [V]ote-auction 
and related individuals and companies	18
General Attorney investigations running	15
Lawsuits by vote-auction against corenic.org	01
Legal documents received by postal services or via Fax [approx. 250 pounds]	112 kg
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 


[V] credits

James Baumgartner
RTMark.com
SILVER SERVER / sil.at
enemy.org
joker.com
hell.com
thinkfactory.de
pixelmassaker.com
cnn.com
ubermorgen.com
etoyACTION.com
ACLU.org

for a list of support web-sites
http://62.116.31.68/news.htm#support


[V] Final note

We wish all 3 candidates the best of luck for Election Day, and may the guy with the best looks - oops, sorry, the best ideas and intentions - win.

Goodbye to you, you have been a great audience! 

For the Vote-auction team

lizvlx	hans_extrem
the-woman-behind	the-guy-who-gets-sued

[V]ote-auction
It's different because it's fundamentally different 



PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: 

pr@[62.116.31.68]
http://62.116.31.68


We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of the old addresses. Thank you.


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[] [V]ote-auction	[]
[]	[]
[] pr@[62.116.31.68]	[]
[]	[]
[] The Election Industry Leader - Bringing	[]
[] Capitalism & Democracy closer together	[]
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Delivered-To: hans@ubermorgen.com
X-Sender: mailliz@mail.ubermorgen.com (Unverified) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 04:05:18 +0100
To: net_CALLBOY <hans@ubermorgen.com>
From: lizvlx <liz@ubermorgen.com>
Subject: Re: press.r: v1.0

SUBJECT: [V]ote-auction announces END-RESULTS 



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

-------------------------------------------------------- 

[V]ote-auction announces END-RESULTS of GRAND AUCTION 

-------------------------------------------------------- 

Vienna/Berlin, November 7th, 2000, 3am CET 


Below is the latest press release by [V]ote-auction: 

http://62.116.31.68
http://www.voteauction.de / realname: voteauction [formerly Vote-auction.com and Voteauction.com]. 


You can also find this press release at
http://62.116.31.68/pr.htm

For any further information feel free to contact pr@[62.116.31.68] or in urgent cases call our ubermorgen.com hotlines:

berlin +49-175-2066954
vienna +43 676 9300061

------------------------------------------------------- It's different because it's absolutely different: 

[V]ote-auction	http://62.116.31.68
------------------------------------------------------- 


[V] Intro

Vote-auction, the election industry leader, is proud to annnounce the end-results of the grand - or, perhaps more accurately, notorious - [V]ote-auction GAME. 

Many participants acted as if they had actually considered it a real business; in fact, it was indeed a real-life game for voters who finally had found a way to think about what their vote is worth on the free market; and to themselves. 

For us, the operators, it turned out to be less of a action- service and more of a legal rollercoaster. 


[V] Game? Street Theatre? Comic? Business? 

Lots has been said about how to distinguish between a real business and a cartoon in a sunday newspaper:
http://www.cnn.com/video/burden/2000/10/24/show.rm80.ram 

Most of these nice sayings are true for the offline world - but on the net, things are different.

Whether or not one likes it, the net is NOT a commercial playground a priori. It is an open space for ANY communication needs between any people. If you think it is hard to know for sure if our site was a game or a business, well, then that's a good lesson you have learned. Try any web-site and try to check out if you know it if they are for "real", here a small test-environment: 

http://yesrudy.com
http://gatt.org
http://rtmark.com/gwbush/
http://www.fpo.at
http://www.microsoft.com

There is no last page with cartoons on the net. That is why it is called an interlinked system and not a book. 

You'd better learn the differenciate now! If not, you might fall for a real prank one day!


[V] Who is suing whom?

Check out: http://www.ipnic.org
the nic is the content is the user is the net 

Here an excerpt of the current situation: 

. Massachussetts is suing vote-auction and our providers 
reason: "selling votes"
status: injunction order

. Missouri is suing vote-auction and our providers 
reason: "false promises to consumers"
status: injunction order

. Chicago Board of Elections is suing vote-auction and our providers 
reason: "selling and buying of votes"
status: injunction order

. Various "investigations" by Attorney Generals 
reason: diverse
status: unknown

. [V]ote-auction is suing CORE in switzerland 
reason: breach of contract, damages, denial of service status: preparation

It seems that we are witnessing the birth of a new sub-genre of action-art: DIGITAL LEGAL ART. appearantly it is even not so much the end-user in front of the terminal to whom we appeal most, but the people in U.S. legal offices... very sexy! 

Nevertheless, we are sure that the cases will be dropped, as it will be obvious, even to the legal folk, that there are people out there buying and selling votes - but that it is not us. We just gave you the showcase. The real dealers do their businesses quite openly in Washington. Vive la difference! 


[V] Campaigning for our rights

We would like to thank our partners for giving us the support we need and enjoy. To those who despise us: Thank you also! 

We regard negative and positive feedback alike as active support and intelligent modes of communication. 

To those who think that we have now given up: Come on! We have all had our fun. Now, let's face reality. The net is, at the time, NOT a free place. It is directly and indirectly controlled by U.S. courts of all names. The root zone is basically owned by the U.S. Ministry of Commerce [well, then maybe the Chicago Board of Elections should have sued the Ministery of Commerce].

If they decide to halt the internet tomorrow, then it is Nike time - they just do it! Cynical? No. Realistic. Or should ICANN bring Capitalism and DemoCRAZY closer together? Or maybe even CORE?

So... if you dont get help from us, please get help somewhere! 


[V] What is new on the Site

We have opened our site and data to the public, so everyone can see for him or herself what is happening. Feel free to access the user database - and do not be surprised to find no personal data. Asking for data at the frontdesk does not necessarily imply storing it in the backoffice... 

What you can find is the socio-demographics of everybody who dared to play [V]ote-auction. If you ask yourself if the numbers are real - that is an intelligent question - but has never been answered on the net. Neither can we. 

You will have to be quick to access the site - we will put it into real legal context by November 8th. 

When the game is over, the players have to go home! 



[V] Statistics [Nov. 7th 2000, 3am CET]

[] polls

International poll:	National poll:
63.3% gore	45.0% gore
14.3% bush	44.1% bush
22.4% nader	10.9% nader

Vote-auction legal or illegal:
75.3% legal
09.4% illegal
15.3% dont know

Would you rather go voting if you got paied for it: 70.0% yes
30.0% no


[] Global media quick-stats

Topic:	numbers	%
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Mailingslists/newsgroups:	13,765 articles	75%
Online-magazines:	898 articles	19%
Print-magazines:	258 articles	03%
Print-newspapers:	812 articles	24%
TV-segments:	147 reports	03%
Radio-segments:	231 reports	05%
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 
Press-archive at: http://62.116.31.68/news.htm 


[] Supporter quick-stats

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Emails received in the last 9 days 2451
Support sites	213
Attorneys offering their services	11
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 

[] Legal quick-stats

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Civil-lawsuits filed against [V]ote-auction 
and related individuals and companies	18
General Attorney investigations running	15
Lawsuits by vote-auction against corenic.org	01
Legal documents received by postal services 
or via Fax [approx. 250 pounds]	112 kg
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- 


[V] Credits

James Baumgartner
RTMark.com
SILVER SERVER / sil.at
enemy.org
joker.com
hell.com
thinkfactory.de
pixelmassaker.com
cnn.com
ubermorgen.com
etoyACTION.com
ACLU.org

For a list of support web-sites
http://62.116.31.68/news.htm#support


[V] Final note

We wish all 3 candidates the best of luck for Election Day, and may the guy with the best looks - oops, sorry, the best ideas and intentions - win.

Goodbye to you, you have been a great audience! 

For the Vote-auction team

lizvlx	hans_extrem
the-woman-behind	the-guy-who-gets-sued

[V]ote-auction
ăTo be or not to be! Just do it!"



PLEASE NOTE: If you want to access Vote-auction via web or mail, please be sure to use the correct domain: 

pr@[62.116.31.68]
http://62.116.31.68


We will not be able to receive messages sent to any of the old addresses. Thank you.


[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] []	[]
[] [V]ote-auction	[]
[]	[]
[] pr@[62.116.31.68]	[]
[]	[]
[] The Election Industry Leader - Bringing	[]
[] Capitalism & Democracy closer together	[]
[]	[]
[] _brought to you by ubermorgen.com	[]
[]	[]
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