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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:00:24 -0500 (EST) From: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
To: Eplanet BizWeb <eplanetbizweb@yahoo.com> cc: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: Re: culture jam

WHOA! that's really fantastic. hans (cc'ed) has similar interests, and was recently engaged in some privatization of the democratic process itself. perhaps a joint venture? there's a wave of publicity around one of his projects, that this might be perfect to ride on and complement, or more....
ray

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:10:21 -0500
Subject: Re: culture jam
CC: hans@ubermorgen.com
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What I was thinking was that since BizWeb, when thoroughly explored is obviously a parody, FPS could be spun off into its own domain, and the blatantly parodic elements could be removed, and a dynamically scripted marketplace section added to it. Like it would be nice if families could upload photos of themselves. 

The company's mission could be spun as a solution to the gaps opened up by welfare reform: parents required to work for welfare benefits don't have time to look after their children, the daycare system is already overburdened and prone to abuse; some welfare recipients, instead of moving on to workfare, have simply dropped off the rolls and have become homeless; by selling ("sectorizing"?) a child to the highest bidder both the family and the child get a chance at a fresh start; the market will show how truly valuable children are; it brings people from diverse backgrounds together and helps obliterate class lines; it's time to take stock of our youth...



On 6 Nov 2000, at 10:54, frank guerrero wrote: 

>fantastic- absolutely fantastic- i'm going to bizweb with my next child! 
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>At 11:31 PM -0500 11/5/00, RTMark admin wrote: 
>>oh my god, that's so dirty! fabulous. seems like it could be up hans's alley... he just has to maintain that voteauction is NOT a satire despite rtmark's declarations....
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>>a bit exhuausted right now but this is very exciting... 
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>>ray
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>>http://rtmark.com/
>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. 
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>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: 
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>>>Hi --
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>>>I see that Hans looked at the site and also someone from RPI (would that be James of VoteAuction?). Reading the transcript of CNN report on the [V]ote Auction site gave me an idea. The part where they compare selling votes to selling babies and slaves. Part of the ePlanetBizWeb site is a welfare reform company called Family Privatization Services. This company could be reworked into an online brokering site for welfare families wishing to place (sell) their children into private homes, something like: 
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>>>"FPS provides brokering services for welfare recipients who seek to place some or all of their children into the private sector. The FPS Family Exchange is an internet-based Family-to-Family (F2F) marketplace where buyers (private families) and Sellers (welfare families) meet to bid on the placement of children into private homes."
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>>>I bet you're all very busy now with election coming, so maybe afterward, if you'd be interested in developing this concept, let me know.


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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:31:51 +0100
From: "Chris J. Mutter" <cjm@terminal.sil.at> 

re,

>>voteauction.net .org sollte gehen, richtig? 
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>>-> geht aber nicht weil das nur ein MX record ist, kein A record (also voteauction.net kann maximal mails empfangen) ... im moment halt :)
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Registrant:
Ganada Co. (VOTEAUCTION2-DOM)
#560-5, Pulkwang-Dong, Eunpyung-Gu
Seoul, 122-041
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Domain Name: VOTEAUCTION.NET

sorry das kann ich nicht eintragen am nameserver. same bei .org .. ebenfalls 20.Aug.2000 registriert worden von den koreanern...

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From: "ePlanetBizWeb" <eplanetbizweb@eplanetbizweb.com> To: RTMark admin <admin@rtmark.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:07:40 -0500
Subject: Re: culture jam
CC: frank@rtmark.com,
hans@ubermorgen.com
Priority: normal

Hey--

I'm really glad you guys have been so enthusiastic about my project. It's difficult to maintain that positive attitude with Janet Reno breathing down your neck, I'll bet. I've changed Family Privatization Services so that it is an online adoption broker with a functioning auction script (haven't hooked it up yet online) that allows me to put phoney families up for adoption, but allows real people to register and bid. However, if that constitutes some kind of fraud probably not a good idea and the whole thing could be faked instead. I mean could you make a fraud case against a website where a photograph of the CEO opens up revealing a monkey inside his head? Don't know. I guess we're out there on the frontier. 

On another trajectory, I'm in NYC and looking for work. If any of you know somebody looking for HTML/Javascript coder in this area would appreciate a head's up.

Thanks,

Kevin

>Nice!! Or, here's a thought--perhaps the X-Auction format should be avoided, because maybe journalists will be so sensitive to this great hoax potential....they'll automatically assume it's a hoax because Voteauction was revealed.... just a thought, not sure.... 
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>http://rtmark.com/
>Turning information resources into emotional capital. 
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>On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: 
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>>The site could be named WelfareAuction.com and when it's launched announce the intention to build a vertical network of auction sites:
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>>RoadwayAuction.net for the conversion of municipal streets to private toll roads
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>>WaterAuction.net for water systems and water rights 
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>>EducationAuction.net for schools
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>>PublicParkAuction.net
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>>UtilityAuction.net
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>>On 6 Nov 2000, at 17:18, RTMark admin wrote: 
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>>>unbelievably cool. this could be worse than voteauction!! 
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>>>http://rtmark.com/
>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. 
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>>>On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: 
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>>>>What I was thinking was that since BizWeb, when thoroughly explored is obviously a parody, FPS could be spun off into its own domain, and the blatantly parodic elements could be removed, and a dynamically scripted marketplace section added to it. Like it would be nice if families could upload photos of themselves. 
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>>>>The company's mission could be spun as a solution to the gaps opened up by welfare reform: parents required to work for welfare benefits don't have time to look after their children, the daycare system is already overburdened and prone to abuse; some welfare recipients, instead of moving on to workfare, have simply dropped off the rolls and have become homeless; by selling ("sectorizing"?) a child to the highest bidder both the family and the child get a chance at a fresh start; the market will show how truly valuable children are; it brings people from diverse backgrounds together and helps obliterate class lines; it's time to take stock of our youth...
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>>>>On 6 Nov 2000, at 10:54, frank guerrero wrote: 
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>>>>>fantastic- absolutely fantastic- i'm going to bizweb with my next child! 
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>>>>>At 11:31 PM -0500 11/5/00, RTMark admin wrote: 
>>>>>>oh my god, that's so dirty! fabulous. seems like it could be up hans's alley... he just has to maintain that voteauction is NOT a satire despite rtmark's declarations....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a bit exhuausted right now but this is very exciting... 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ray
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>>>>>>http://rtmark.com/
>>>>>>Turning information resources into emotional capital. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Kevin LaPalme wrote: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi --
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>I see that Hans looked at the site and also someone from RPI (would that be James of VoteAuction?). Reading the transcript of CNN report on the [V]ote Auction site gave me an idea. The part where they compare selling votes to selling babies and slaves. Part of the ePlanetBizWeb site is a welfare reform company called Family Privatization Services. This company could be reworked into an online brokering site for welfare families wishing to place (sell) their children into private homes, something like: 
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>"FPS provides brokering services for welfare recipients who seek to place some or all of their children into the private sector. The FPS Family Exchange is an internet-based Family-to-Family (F2F) marketplace where buyers (private families) and Sellers (welfare families) meet to bid on the placement of children into private homes."
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>I bet you're all very busy now with election coming, so maybe afterward, if you'd be interested in developing this concept, let me know.
>>>>
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