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From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" <PR@[62.116.31.68]> Subject: your article
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com


dear mr rothman,

i enjoyed very much reading your article, i found it very well put and researched.

however, there are just a few notes i would like to add:

. not only chicago has issued restraining orders and 
injunctions, but also missouri (they are claiming consumer rights violations, wrongful promise etc), also wisconsin and massachussetts have issued comparable legal orders.
. voteauction is still online, it can be accessed 
via
http://www.voteauction.at and
http://voteauction.de and our IP
http://62.116.31.68

best,
lizvlx, [V]ote-auction
--
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http://www.vote-auction.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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To: "Joel B. Rothman" <jrothman@seidenlaw.com> From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" <PR@[62.116.31.68]> Subject: RE: your article
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com


dear joel,

thanks for getting back, and btw i was too quick anwering your mail - i saw later that i was you who not only wrote the article but also sent me the notification of the article.

that just as a note..

regarding:

Would you be interested in answering some more questions and discussing theissues further for an expanded article I would like to write?

absolutely, we are particularily interested in the legal aspects that voteauction is now being more and more confronted with (seems to be another parallel to the actual elections ;). 

and as i said, i considered your article well researched and phrased, so i would gladly answer further questions you might have.

sincerely,

lizvlx



I only knew about the Chicago injunction at the time I went to press. Also, I could not find your domain where you relocated so I could not put it in my article. I know it now.



Joel B. Rothman
Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West
Boca Raton, FL 33431
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-----Original Message-----
From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:15 AM To: jrothman@seidenlaw.com
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: your article



dear mr rothman,

i enjoyed very much reading your article, i found it very well put and researched.

however, there are just a few notes i would like to add:

. not only chicago has issued restraining orders and 
injunctions, but also missouri (they are claiming consumer rights violations, wrongful promise etc), also wisconsin and massachussetts have issued comparable legal orders.
. voteauction is still online, it can be accessed 
via
http://www.voteauction.at and
http://voteauction.de and our IP
http://62.116.31.68

best,
lizvlx, [V]ote-auction
--
. . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
http://www.vote-auction.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

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http://www.vote-auction.com
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bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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From: Stefan Heidenreich <stefan.heidenreich@rz.hu-berlin.de> X-Accept-Language: de
To: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: adresse, hallo

Hallo Hans,

hier kommt meine Adresse.
Telefon: 030 / 2827754
mobil: 0179 / 5244973

Viele GrŸ§sse,
Stefan
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To: <jrothman@seidenlaw.com>
From: "PR [V]ote-auction.com" <PR@[62.116.31.68]> Subject: Re: my last e-mail
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com

yup, have not forgotten.

was just a bit busy.

coming to your question: is it art.

the big question. in our history of producing internet content and sites, we found it suitable to deal with the art idea in the following way:
. do you make money with it: then it is commercial . are you associated with a political group, or do 
you fight for a political idea: then its politics/free speech . is it personal: then its a homepage
. is it beautiful: then it is design
. is it none of the above: then it is art. 

this definition is a bit ironic, that' s clear. but it is what most people go by.

if i look at the art issue from our personal backgrounds, then sure, we are considered net.artists. we have done and are doing various net.art.projects - but i do not know if 

looking at the issue from a art.theoretical point of view: what we do is mostly considered to be medai hacking or also called coluture jamming. so the community of artists sees it as art. sure.

we personally do not really care if it is art or whatever. we think projects have to appeal to the right target group, and i prefer the "man on the street" to the vernissage crowd. that is, most of the times ;)

i hope that answers your question.

best
lizvlx


that means that we are always doing art. Have not heard back from you since the last message. Any comment on my question about art?

Joel B. Rothman
Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West
Boca Raton, FL 33431
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Rothman [mailto:jrothman@webrise.net] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 8:33 AM
To: PR [V]ote-auction.com
Subject: RE: your article


I didn't see a link to the gigalaw.com discussion list in the press area on your site. Here's a link to where the thread starts: http://www.gigalaw.com/archives/0010/gigalaw-discuss-0010-00123.html 

I agree with the author of this first linked message. Please let me have your comments on it at your convenience. 

I originally was thinking about asking you questions about the political message conveyed by the voteauction site, your political views, and things of that nature. Then I looked at the biographical material you linked me to. Now my question is a little different. 

Is voteauction.com art? If so, please explain. 

Thank you.

Joel B. Rothman
Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West
Boca Raton, FL 33431
561.416.0170/fax 561.416.0171
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-----Original Message-----
From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:21 AM To: Joel B. Rothman
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: RE: your article


sure, just mail me a list
of questions, and i'll answer.

cv's/bio here we go:: first me (hehe), then hans. best,
lizvlx


########start bio lizvlx / elisabeth haas ####### 

2000
lecture at micro lounge, berlin
lecture at last tuesday, berlin
lecture at berlinbeta3.0, berlin
development of voteauction.com / voteauction.at with j.baumgartner founding of bannster.net together with hans_extrem and carl@micromusic.org founding of ubermorgen.org [austrian widerstand/resistance site] working for the following clients at ubermorgen.com: 
skim.com á cyberhelvetia.ch á sil.at á micromusic.net á cittadelarte.it phalanx.cc á rosa.com á trendbuero/msn.de á sumosushi.de 

1999
lecture at SEAFair99, skopke, macedonia, "VR is in y/head" founding of ubermorgen.com together with hans_extrem founding of ubermorgen.net together with hans_extrem and erica dubach project work for R.O.S.A. internet escorts, zurich management (vice president) of ogilvy interactive, vienna founding of etxtreme.ru together with hans_extrem 

1998
ars electronica, faces project & website mba university of economics, vienna
continous work on 194.152.164.137 [userunfriendly] / http://toilet.sil.at 

1997-1995
founding of 194.152.164.137 [userunfriendly] together with andrea mayr diverse web.projects

1994-1992
studies at the academy of fine arts, vienna studies at the university of economics, vienna 

1991-1980
school in salzburg/at
highschool in ny/usa

30.01. 1973 born in linz, austria


######start bio hans_extrem/etoy.HANS/luzius bernhard######## 

2000
founder and CEO of ubermorgen.com, vienna/austria http://www.ubermorgen.com ubermorgen.org / WWWiderstand; resistance-net http://www.ubermorgen.org 

1999
founder of ubermorgen.net [network of digital uberbrains] http://www.ubermorgen.net
founder etxtreme.ru [read fast! think later!] http://www.etxtreme.ru magister artium [M.F.A.], university of applied arts [uaa], vienna prof. peter weibel

1994-1999
etoy http://www.etoy.com
:: etoy.TIMEZONE :: etoy.TANK-17 :: etoy.SHARES :: protected by etoy :: the digital hijack :: etoy.TANKSYSTEM :: etoy.PROMOTION :: etoy.VISUALS :: founder of etoy ;
radical computer-animation raves/events/movies text digital [wordwar, tanz du sau]
techno-music producer/lyrics [etoy.SOUND] 

1995-96
acting experimental and feature films in europe 

1974-1991
childhood and work in switzerland

1971
born in yale, ct

Thanks for the reply. If it is okay with you I would like to compose a list
of questions and e-mail these to you. Also, if you have a bio of yourself I
would like to receive that.

Joel B. Rothman
Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West
Boca Raton, FL 33431
561.416.0170/fax 561.416.0171
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http://www.seidenlaw.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:11 PM To: Joel B. Rothman
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: RE: your article



dear joel,

thanks for getting back, and btw i was too quick anwering your mail - i saw later that i was you who not only wrote the article but also sent me the notification of the article.

that just as a note..

regarding:

Would you be interested in answering some more questions and discussing theissues further for an expanded article I would like to write?

absolutely, we are particularily interested in the legal aspects that voteauction is now being more and more confronted with (seems to be another parallel to the actual elections ;). 

and as i said, i considered your article well researched and phrased, so i would gladly answer further questions you might have.

sincerely,

lizvlx



I only knew about the Chicago injunction at the time I went to press. Also,
I could not find your domain where you relocated so I could not put it in my
article. I know it now.
>>


Joel B. Rothman
Seiden, Alder, Rothman, Petosa & Matthewman, P.A. 2300 Glades Road, Suite 340 West
Boca Raton, FL 33431
561.416.0170/fax 561.416.0171
reply to jrothman@seidenlaw.com
http://www.seidenlaw.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: PR [V]ote-auction.com [mailto:PR@[62.116.31.68]] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:15 AM To: jrothman@seidenlaw.com
Cc: hans@ubermorgen.com
Subject: your article



dear mr rothman,

i enjoyed very much reading your article, i found it very well put and researched.

however, there are just a few notes i would like to add:

. not only chicago has issued restraining orders and 
injunctions, but also missouri (they are claiming consumer rights violations, wrongful promise etc), also wisconsin and massachussetts have issued comparable legal orders.
. voteauction is still online, it can be accessed 
via
http://www.voteauction.at and
http://voteauction.de and our IP
http://62.116.31.68

best,
lizvlx, [V]ote-auction
--
. . [V]ote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
http://www.vote-auction.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

--
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http://www.vote-auction.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

--
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http://www.vote-auction.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

--
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http://www.vote-auction.com
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ema pr@vote-auction.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . fax|at +43-1-9681022. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

bringing democracy and capitalism closer together! 

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To: phil cain <philcainotr@yahoo.co.uk>
From: "[V]ote-auction PR" <pr@vote-auction.net> Subject: Re: Interview


hi there,

i am so sorry about replaying so late
to your enquiry - usually i do better ;) 

concerning your feature - well, i guess
you are probably already finished with
it ... but if not, or if i can be of any other help, pls do not hesitate to contact us again.

concerning your question:
learning more about its plans concerning this election. 

well, there are also upcoming elections in austria (in vienna to be precise), we have been contacted by - let's say "diverse" individuals to get active in these city elections.
then, there has been an enquiry to co-operate for elections in australia.
we have not yet established reliable business relations with individuals in the u.k. - we usually always work on a joint-venture basis. 

if ya need anything more...

best
lizvlx



Dear Sir/Madam

I am researching a feature on e-campaigning in the context of the upcoming UK elections. I would like to interview one of those behind [v]ote-auction.com to learn a little more about its plans concerning this election.

You can contact me either at this address or at my work address, phil@headstar.com, or on my mobile at +44 797 418 9270.

Best regards
Phil Cain

editor/publisher
headstar.com


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As a general election approaches, a U.S.-style trend catches on: Web sites on which people can agree to trade votes. By James Ledbetter - IS Europe

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